Quite often, people don't give spoilers, but they will say "oh there's a brilliant twist at the end," which just spoils the suspense because you know, at some stage, it's coming.

@markbarrett8180

5 күн бұрын

“There’s always a twist at the end”

I totally agree with Richard. If I care about characters, I can’t stand the tension in situations with jeopardy, so I often look for spoilers in order to know if I want to keep watching. Clearly, I get overly emotionally invested in fictional characters, but it works for me!

@jools1978

Ай бұрын

I'm the same. I don't like the know the full ending, but if I know in broad strokes that character A dies but character B survives, I can relax and enjoy the story.

Wow. I have exactly the same feelings about anxiety-inducing TV. Nice to hear someone - Richard Osman even! - feels the same way. One reason I can't stand watching soaps (haven't for a long time). They can't get rid of the popular villain, so he/she continues to get away with it while innocent bystanders get caught in the crossfire. Absolutely horrific. I couldn't stay in the same room sometimes, while Mrs B was happily taking it all in.

I love the idea of looking up spoilers to prevent yourself from feeling stress because the tension is uncomfortable. Reminds me of the chapter from Hitchhiker's Guide where when there was a tense moment, they take an aside and say 'At the end of this chapter, the only things harmed by the end of this chapter will be a sperm whale, a bowl of petunias, and one of our heroes will experience a light bruise'

I don't understand why soap opera fans enjoy the fact that upcoming plot lines are always spoilt by TV, newspapers and magazines. This is unheard of in a standard TV show or a movie yet soap fans love knowing in advance if a beloved character is going to die or Coronation Street is going to blow up etc.

"It's the little book that could" made me laugh out loud.

Totally agree with Richard re anxiety spoilers. My ability to handle anxiety in shows has gone, don't detach it out.

Without doubt the best You Tube come podcast drop. Love both presenters anyway, they are bouncing off each other better each episode and seeing Martina rather than just reading her stuff has added real personality to her animated commentaries.

RE Spoilers: Nothing worse than trying to host a Eurovision party in Australia

Interesting to hear Marina gushing about Zone of Interest when it has had such a lukewarm response in Germany.

Game shows that offer a gamble between a sure five figure sum and the chance of a seven figure sum (or something similar) overwhelmingly benefit contestants who are already rich. The first UK winner of Millionaire, Judith Keppel, already had over 5 million in the bank. Nothing against her, but she didn't play a better game than all the other contestants, she could just afford to turn down £125000, when other contestants couldn't.

I found your comments on Mrs Browns Boys interesting. I felt a similar unfathomable sense of scarcely believable popularity about The Hangover. With humour being so personal I wonder if this phenomenon is more likely to occur in comedies. Or so-called comedies 😂

Loving the alternating questions episodes format

this is really turning into a very interesting podcast,getting to understand the reasons behind why certain things happen in the industry.

I don’t mind if people do spoilers, as long as it’s prefaced with “Spoiler Alert” so you can make a decision to stop reading/listening etc. I think it’s fair on social media though so avoid it if you don’t want spoilers friends.

@Elwaves2925

4 ай бұрын

I agree with the spoiler alert but not your point on social media. KZread is social media, so you are saying it's fair to freely show spoilers there, in titles, thumbnails and so on.

Ha! I was so stressed out for the election-night episode on Succession that I had to read/watch spoilers and lots of recaps before I could watch the episode! .... I have to fast-forward when a character is really embarrassing themselves - particularly when they don't realize they SHOULD be embarrassed for themselves!

You might be surprised by how many of the American children actors speaking their lines wonderfully are British. As someone who used to be a voice producer, I saw terrible acting from all countries. But in the UK, clients would often use young actors from Silvia Young’s school. Some of those were so good - and they did brilliant US accents too. This is really about accents. An American accent, because it puts emphasis on a different part of the sentence to a British accent, is often much better for achieving a delivery that cuts through quickly. Irish and Scottish accents do it well too. Southern English accents not so much!

@Hexon66

4 ай бұрын

The main problem with British actors doing American accents is to think there is *an* American accent, and trying to do it, rather than just creating the character who happens to live in the states (something that Hugh Laurie did magnificently with House). The Wire being an example of actors completely missing the mark on the accents (having spent a large portion of my life in and around Bal'mer Mer'lin, I have some insight here). My absolute favorite show with British playing American was 'The Riches', where Eddie Izzard and Minnie Driver took diametrically opposite directions on their characters. Eddie just went full Sean Connery and, as usual, used his normal voice. Minnie, on the other hand, not known for her great work with accents (see Grosse Point Blank), went thoroughly over-the-top deep *deep* southerner. Both are better than a strained, unrealistic accent. Or when Tim Roth did his show.... he's a Brit working in DC, deal with it. And we know he *can* do accents.

@yancowles

4 ай бұрын

Nah, british child actors are just not very good and generally continue being not very good when they're all growed up also.

@kevinsoutham

4 ай бұрын

Fascinating insight, thank you.

I love this podcast!

There's a paradox where knowing the plot increases the viewers pleasure, it's got a name but I forget what it is

I don’t like the fact that “the world strongest man” competition is held and filmed April/May time then shown at Christmas! Growing up in the 80s,90s,2000s I didn’t even know this was happing but now with social media you can’t help but see spoilers and find out who the winner is and then have to wait 7 months to watch it

According to studies people enjoy stories more when they know the ending

Best. Episode. Ever.

The night before I was going to see The Sixth Sense a newsreader on TV finished a bulletin saying "well that was almost as predictable as Bruce Willis being dead all Along in The Sixth Sense." !!

People said the Brass Eye and Drop the Dead Donkey could never come back but look how popular Jonathan Pie is. If things are done well, they will be well received and may even become popular

a 2011 study from UC San Diego's psychology department found that readers who knew how a story would end actually enjoyed the story more than those who didn't. I copied that from a news article, but I've read that before a few times. I'm guilty of looking on Wikipedia to find stuff out at times

@phill6859

3 ай бұрын

I like to know it will have a satisfying ending, but don't want to know what it is. I hate lazy writers who think they are clever by having twist endings which are unsatisfying.

@hannahk1306

3 ай бұрын

Personally, I don't: there's nothing like reading a story for the first time and trying to work out what will happen. The TV programmes I dislike the most are the ones where it's obvious what's going to happen, often where they're just following a set formula.

This is really good 👍

After Life is my Mrs Brown Boys

I don't really like entertainment shows, but this is brilliant!

I try not to spoil stuff intentionally especially if it just came out, but for older stuff my personal take is that if it requires not knowing the spoiler, it probably wasn't very good. Sure you're gonna watch it differently to people who don't know how Murder on the Orient Express ends, but good cinema is good cinema. Once a friend was wondering if he should watch The Third Man, I sold him on it describing one scene I thought was done very well, and another friend got angry at me for spoiling it to the guy. The movie is 35 years older than I am, and without a hook it's just gonna go into the movie backlog of things that never actually get watched. If you tell me "you should watch this" I need a reason why, and if that reason is "one guy's identity reveal is done so well I could believe it was an accident and they rolled with it" so be it.

Please, no spoilers in the comments 😂

On the bus on the way to the cinema to see I Am Legend, on day 1 of release, on the bus that goes to the cinema, a bloke was shouting into his phone so loud passers by could hear him, that he’d seen a movie I Am A Legend and that it was rubbish, and the ending…

Star Wars canon is a real minefield, as it gets broken down into A-Canon, B-Canon, C-Canon, etc, depending on if it's movies, TV, novels, encyclopaedias, comics, game, or even toys. The Holiday Special is, in George Lucas's mind, Z-Canon. He basically ignored it.

Thanks for the book adaptation answer Richard often been curios as to why and how around that. I suppose if the price for option is so small buying it is a no branner and then you go through with the projects you feel will give you money back. Spoilers I suppose it depends what you define as spoilers some people do not want to know details from chapter two in a book I feel like that is too strickt. Also I want my books and tv and movies to end on a happy note so I need to know that it ends happily. Some people think knowing that is a spoiler

yes, the food on the cooking shows is cold when they film the actual tasting but afaik they taste the food as soon as it is ready, make up their mind about judging it and then the filming with the cold food is just an act that's done later on.

I watch endless clips of Would I lie to You and QI. I know if it's truth or Lie/ the answer, but it's still very enjoyable

People are still being born, it doesn't matter how old a book or movie is, they deserve to not have it spoiled, if they want to experience it. You can express your feelings without giving anything away.

Have a friend who said he was the biggest fan of Lost. I said it was good for a while but the final season let it down. He said what do you mean I told him He became sad, angry and disappointed. Told me he hadn't watched it and was saving it to watch on his deathbed. I said I saved you a disappointing death then.

Will it be mushrooms? Fried onion rings? We’ll have to wait and see.

On "Pointless" having the jackpot won everyday wouldn't effect the cost in terms of prize money at least because the daily cost of the jackpot is just one unit of the daily increment (yes I've forgotten what that is). On shows where jackpots are fixed or a result of previous gameplay within the episode the top prize won each time would be additional cost. I think that American kids might have an advantage because "Show and tell" is apparently a big thing in their school system, you learn oration which it turn leads to acting. Narcissist human beings usually aren't that troubled by it.

I dont care about spoilers at all. In most cases, spoilers don't tell the whole story because they dont say how that character got to the spoiler action or revealing situation/setting. For me it's about the context of the spoiler. There are rare spoilers that are single lines that change everything without needing to see extra context of th situation or the whole movie buildup. Such instances would be like the line No, I am your father from Darth Vader. That really doesnt require context or to see the movie to get it or understand what the potential consequences going forward are from that single line. However most "spoilers" like a death scene or a character reveal or return I like to see the movie and see the whole context of why and how that person came back or was revealed or what actually happened. To hear that something was revealed rarely tells the whole story

You should always TAG your spoilers. It's that simple

Spoilers: I hate them! During the “coming soon to this theatre ” I sit in the cinema with my eyes closed, hands (discreetly) over my ears. My favourite way to watch a film is not to even know the genre; that’s a ride! It seems essential for tv shows and even KZread shows to feature highlights before the show starts properly. I want a button on my remote labelled : “I’m watching, I’m committed, you don’t need to ruin it for me, just play it!”

Several years ago Yeo Valley produced an advert during X Factor that lasted for AGES....did this break the company....

Spoilers are worst when really unexpected and about a pivotal plot twist. Like that time I was innocently watching a little segment about inventive movie narration, on some french TV program, and out of the blue, they totally spoilt the conclusion of ... Shutter Island ... ! I was fuming. As a result I never wanted to watch the movie. Knowing that I wouldn't have been fooled a single minute. Movie (and/or book) ruined. Curse them.

Spoilers are never good. Mind you, as long as you write/say SPOILERS! before actually stating the spoil, people at least have the option of not reading/listening further until they've experienced whatever it is. The art of the trailer is to give a flavour of the story and the tone without giving away plot points. Something trailer-makers need to remember, as a number of them clearly have either never understood that in the first place, or they presumably forget. And books: I don't want to know who the murderer is in Richard's books before I've read them, for example, so when people do things like revealing that, it just generates anger in readers who enjoy whodunnits. Sadly, one thing the internet does is to allow people to be obnoxious to a larger number of other people simultaneously than before.

Making a Murderer on Netflix should have been left alone. it was clear that the verdict was correct and the documentary directly and intentionally changed the narrative and told the story they wanted to tell, ignored true facts, and muddied the story in a disrespect to a brutal murder and assault. Sad for the victim and family

If a jackpot is "one" everyday, I think it depends on one what? Pound? Million Pounds? Car? Trolley dash?

cooking shows from what i have been told they make 2 dish's one is tried by the judges fresh the second is put aside for the camera tasting make me feel sorry for them when they get a terrible dish

Soylent Green is people!

@o.b.7217

3 ай бұрын

There exist places on the internet, where they would call for your crucifixion for that. ;)

Spoilers about TV programmes before they are aired on their primary channel are not acceptable, imo. Most astoundingly to me, the BBC spoil their own content with immediate reveals of the next episode even before the end credits of a programme! The issue is that they seem to have zero confidence that anybody will watch next time. Even with something that people either hate (so won't watch) or are totally addicted to like The Traitors.

@hannahk1306

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I've noticed a trend for this sort of thing on KZread too, where clearly creators don't think that their audience has the attention span to watch the whole thing, so they put the highlights at the beginning. The effect of this is that by the time you get to that part of the video, it's lost its impact because you know the punchline to the joke or the answer to the question and in the preview you didn't have the context yet so it didn't have an impact there either.

Nice to hear 'Thursday Murder Club' film is being made. SPOILER ALERT Helen Mirren, Judy Dench, Ben Kingsley and Ray Winstone have been cast to play the four club members. This is actually 100% factually true. Don't deny it Richard.

Richard, you said that you thought that Channel 5 had bought Yellowstone. Channel 5 (apparently owned by Paramount - who knew?) started showing Yellowstone last year at 9pm on Fridays. Clearly it did not attract an audience as this quickly slipped to 10pm, then 11pm, then midnight, until finally they threw away the last two episodes of season(?) 1 on the same night from midnight to 2am. It was then rapidly deleted from catch-up.

@m.j.nicholls

4 ай бұрын

It's a hard sell of show - we're supposed to empathise with corrupt right-wing landowner and his awful kids.

@Bellabambina123

4 ай бұрын

Maybe they moved it to Paramount+ ?

Spoilers are always fine, except for things that are not fiction.

I remember someone complaining that Mark Kermode spoiled the story of Jane Eyre.

I'm a fan of Mrs brown boys and love it cos it's nostalgia for me when i watch it with my nan and just easy to watch cos i don't have to think And yes i find it funny and yes its done well I also love Juice (which I'm so hoping gets a second series)and miranda If you don't like the comedy of mrs brown boys then watch something else and stay away from UK GOLD perhaps It's a waste of your time to watch something you don't like it then go on social media when you can netflix etc something else that you like. Love this podcast

Snape kills Han Solo in the Force Awakens.

Bruce Willis is Tyler Durden

My aunt reads the last page of a book first.

I'm still waiting for A Confederacy of Dunces to be made into a film. If only all the heavyset actors attached to the project, who could play a self-absorbed, eccentric N'awlins momma's boy, would stop dying... we might get somewhere.

Hi, you mention that you can't make money from a 'format' for a tv show anymore... Why? What has changed?

ALL trailers are spoilers.

To rise to an additional level of pedantry, it is pronounced "Bow-ba' Fett.

@JorWat25

3 ай бұрын

Sorry is that 'bow' as is 'take a bow', or 'bow and arrow'? To get even more pedantic, I think you're saying it's pronounced /ˌboʊbə ˈfɛt,/. That said, Wikipedia does say that /bɒ/ is an alternate pronunciation. i.e. the O in 'Boba' can either be pronounced like the O in 'code' or the O in 'cod'.

Dear Rikhard and Mariana, I have an extremely niche question that you two might be the perfect people to ask about. Why don't the production teams on Traitors tell people how to spell each other's names? I mean, it has to be a choice, right? Is it to add some sort of feeling of realness? And is the price of me going slightly mad at every banishment a small enough price to pay for that? They had different spellings for the same name in at least UK S1 and AU S2, and now in UK S2 we got "Sonja", "Sonia" and "Sonya" in one episode. Why?! I'm losing my mind here! (Sonja [yes, I checked, as you do] getting three votes in an unnamed episode can't be a spoiler, can it?)

i cant bear it when actors leave food uneaten...aanxiety provoking..

Question i have....why has CGI got sooo much worse and should more practical effects and stages be back, actors in front of a green screen rather then a physical actual set must make a massive difference to them for reactions

@lukeW7344

4 ай бұрын

this is easy, its hasnt. CGI has got so good that you dont notice it when its good, and is also advertised as a film "with no CGI". (see top gun mavericks marketing) you only notice bad CGI. The reasons for bad CGI are many, but its usually low budget, not much time, or both. if youre interested in this topic I highly suggest watching these; kzread.info/dash/bejne/lIBqytJxcq6oYpc.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/aaioqZtposSpftI.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ka2ErtmDopbekZc.html

@michaelcope856

4 ай бұрын

Great practical effects are timeless. Go back as far as The Thing (1982?). Absolutely stands up today.

@lukeW7344

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelcope856 thats not. really a response to my comment. Great practical effects are timeless, same as great CGI is timeless. Bad Practical ruins a movie same a bad CGI ruins it. watch the videos ive linked and im sure you'll agree

@Elwaves2925

4 ай бұрын

@@lukeW7344 I'm pretty sure Michael is replying to the OP, not you, so you're right it wasn't a response to your comment as they weren't replying to you. If they had, your username would be visible at the start of their comment. 🙂 On topic, I agree that CGI definitely hasn't got worse. As with everything there are good and bad examples of it, the bad existing for the reasons you state. I'd also argue that sometimes it's overused where it isn't necessary and practical would have been better but the opposite is also true. EDIT: I removed the last part because I hadn't expanded your previous comment. Oops.

kids from game of thrones???

The reason she thinks American Children are better at acting, or at least they seem so to her, is that she is used to British mannerisms, British pronunciation, British customs, and the British person. Americans are different, probably less familiar (I dont know her experience), that means the small details of personality, quirks, mannerisms and style, or mistakes dont look wrong to her while she consciously or subsciously sees all the little acting mistakes that a British child would make trying to do or say certain things

Mrs Brown;s Boys must have been designed in a lab to irritate me. I sort of liked its popularity (that i didn't contribute to) confounding critics actually. I'll take Richards word that it's the best of shows a bit like Mrs Browns Boy's but jesus christ, they don't even bother to even pretend to polish their turd. Also, they should pay their taxes.

@Hexon66

4 ай бұрын

I have no idea what this show is, but I get the gist of the annoyance. I think it's something to do with the possibly irrational, frustration of dreck choking the airwaves, or streams, or movie screens. I feel that (though I know it makes no real difference) when I see 8 screens in one Cineplex showing the same Marvel, or Tom Cruise, or back a bit, Harry Potter, movies.... when there are perfectly brilliant indie films begging to get seen. I know they wouldn't replace them with Jim Jarmusch or Bi Gan, it's all about money, but still.

@nathanphackett

4 ай бұрын

@@Hexon66 I can see that, but also, kudos to anyone who can stomach it. I wouldn't like me to put someone off liking things...usually. You can like whatever you want because I like liking things too, but also, don't bother watching Mrs Brown's Boys.

@piganeiros

4 ай бұрын

I think liking Mrs Brown's Boys is a very serious character defect

@Elwaves2925

4 ай бұрын

@@nathanphackett I had a strange thing regarding Mrs Brown's Boys in my family. Having a conversation with my Dad one time and he asked what that comedy was that I loved. He described it and I quizzically asked if he meant MBB. He said yes to which I said I've never watched it (beyond clips), have no interest in it and think it's really unfunny from the few clips I'd seen. He insisted that I loved it, they all said so. I asked who and he said other family members. Apparently at a family get together they were discussing comedy shows and all decided for me. Even though I was there and they could have asked me.

Star wars holiday special is not canon

who is being cast in thursday murder club..my money is the posh female spy boss from fleabag lolz////

I love a spoiler. It means I can moan about a tv show without having to watch it

Outnumbered?

On the other hand, Finn Wolfhard, in the same show as Millie Bobby Brown, totally American, born and raised, and yet, atrocious actor. In everything he does.

I also cannot stand Mrs Brown's Boys, so I do never watch it, but the problem is that MBB is still swallowing up a chunk of the BBC's comedy budget, so it is stopping the BBC from producing something else that I might like.

@simoncarswell3515

3 ай бұрын

First of all it's a co-production between the BBC and the Irish broadcaster RTÉ. Secondly, it's incredibly lucrative, being sold to Australia, New Zealand and Canada, and also being released on DVD/BluRay. Thirdly, are you suggesting that the BBC should stop making one of its most popular and lucrative shows in order to make something that you "might" like? Does that sound reasonable?

Spoiler: Nick Cohen was a wrong 'un all along.

If spoilers were never permissible, why are DVD (historically VHS) releases a thing? People going out and buying films they saw at the cinema to derive enjoyment from watching them repeatedly (even though they know the ending). Strange - it’s as if plot developments aren’t merely enough to validate the existence of a production. I put it to you that if you can “spoil” a production completely by revealing a plot twist, it’s not actually that good a production.

I find youtube videos that run you through what you about to watch. It could be 10 minute video but there is a trend running through what you are about to watch anyway. BBC coudmentaries are the worst. They literally play a 4 minute trailer of a program you are already watching. It's tiresome.

It really annoys me when people say it's okay to spoil a story because it's x years old. It doesn't matter how old it is, I don't want to know how it ends until I see it for myself. I wanted to show my niece the original Planet of the Apes, but the thumbnail online (and all the DVD cases) have the final shot of the movie on the cover. And Jekyll and Hyde has been spoilt so much, most people don't even realise it has a twist ending.

@JamesLMason

4 ай бұрын

Jekyll and Hyde has a twist ending?! Well that's that ruined for me, I'll be constantly looking out for it now when I get round to reading it.

@GoldnDusty

4 ай бұрын

Okay, but knowing an outcome shouldn't reduce the joy of watching the plot get there. Sometimes it enhances things. The key example is Romeo and Juliet. Shakespeare literally tells you the finale in the opening monologue, and it's one of the most retold stories of all time.

@JamesLMason

4 ай бұрын

@@GoldnDusty counterintuitively, there was a research paper which concluded that spoilers actually increased people's enjoyment of the story.

@andyjohnson4907

4 ай бұрын

@@JamesLMason If you know what Jekyll and Hyde is, you know what the twist is. If you've never heard of it, the twist is that Hyde was actually dressed as a Scottish nanny so he could see his kids.

@andyjohnson4907

4 ай бұрын

@@GoldnDusty That's a terrible example.

Could not understand why anyone liked Breaking Bad 🤷🏻‍♂️

Wait, wasn't Boba Fett in A New Hope, before any of that?

Fool me once is so bad we laughed our way through the entire thing. Terrible acting, appalling editing. When the 2nd cop puts his glasses on then when they cut back to him they are off. Lazy. No one cared on that production

If a spoiler destroys your enjoyment of something either the story is shallow or you are.

@Elwaves2925

4 ай бұрын

The person spoiling something, especially when it's deliberate, is the shallow one.

Spoilers are absolutely fine as soon as a movie/tv show has played on TV. So, these days, one day and you can talk about the movie without having to worry about spoilers.

Love this podcast and am a fan of Richard…but Fool Me Once is excellent? Dear lord it’s terrible. I say that - the twenty one minutes I was forced to endure were. The script is atrocious, the acting is some of the worst I’ve seen on Netflix or any other platform. MK appears to be delivering the lines as if at a first script read-through. She is woefully miscast. Please tell me this was made by you and that’s the reason you are so charitable towards it!

Bruce Willis is a ghost

Why is she so fidgety?

@m.j.nicholls

4 ай бұрын

Would you rather she sat bolt upright and was incredibly formal? It's called being animated and engaged.

@marknewbold2583

4 ай бұрын

Posh

She is such a great writer, why does she deminish herself with this dinosaurs presence