I would say you are just counting on the fact that you are hitting an enemy non stop. The place where nail arts shine are probably in flying enemies, where they move away from you quickly and can’t nail spam. Here, you will one shot them. Many people say colo 3 is hard, but if you spam to the ground enemies and nail arts to the flying ones you will to much better than just spam. And my final argument, dash slash is amazing against Radiant Markoth. Cyclone slash is the only nail art that I will consider it bad, the other 2 have their uses but this one seems to just exist.

@Vegathron

3 ай бұрын

Yes what you say is true and I don't think anything in the video is contrary to that. Yeah I honestly expected a bit more from cyclone slash before running the numbers! It was a bit disappointing wasn't it?

@LizardWizard4

3 ай бұрын

Cyclone actually has uses in speedruns with its fast fall ability. It is also very useful in enemy control in the collector battle, especially with all bindings.

@HeyYouFromThatGame

2 ай бұрын

Me casually dealing 157 dmg to nightmare king grimm with cyclone slash:

@isaiaholaru5013

Ай бұрын

Cyclone cam give you some soul from the beginning of the Galien fight, allowing you to pop off an almost immediate 120 damage. It's also good for the Obblobbles, giving you more sould per time you engage them for

Well the thing is, i just use sharp shadow sooooo (But in all seriousness, yeah nail spam is definitely the way to go nail arts are difficult to use for my smooth brain)

@Vegathron

3 ай бұрын

Mental note for video idea: "What is the MOST damage we can do with sharp shadow?" XD I mean I DO have the numbers on my spreadsheet somewhere 🤣

@Roid33

3 ай бұрын

@@Vegathron No way, That would be crazy... (as like a 10 second youtube short lol)

was wandering this question myself when making the inventory ranking, glad its finally answered!

I've been trying the Pantheon and learning consistent nail arts. It's great when experimenting with builds like healing builds. Quick deep unn focus, nmg, allow for a defensive style. In pantheons it's important to have a safety net for the moments where mistakes combined with bad luck create a temporary high risk of dying. People say "just learn to not get hit and be offensive build" but you could flip the argument around and say if you can avoid being hit then you don't need extra dps to win anyway. Most people aren't speedrunning. Nice video, very helpful

i personally found using nail arts made nightmare king grimm a lot easier since it boiled down to holding a button, dodging until an opening presents itself then going in for big damage. Bosses like that where you dont really have time to get multiple hits in are where you'd use nail arts

You can go with a spell build and just use nailmasters glory. Works out really well in some scenarios.

The main appeal of going strong on nail arts is that to buff them as much as you can you only need 1 charm notch, whilst to use the nail you need 3 notches for Unbreakable Strength, 3 notches for Quickslash, and even more notches if you want Steady Body, Longnail, Mark of Pride or Sprint Master; charms that I have seen nail user use a lot. Meanwhile, you can take advantage of how little it costs to boost your nail arts to boost your spells at the same time, Shaman Stone + Soul Twister + Soul Eater is usually a very costly combo that doesn't work quite well because it leaves you with little options for the nail, but if you add Nailmaster's glory you have both ways of making damage, spells and nail arts, practically maxed out. Nail arts become viable as a consistent damage source and to gather soul and once its the right moments you can spam spells for a TON of damage. Furthemore, I feel obligated to add that while dps is very important in most fights you can't hit the boss all the time with constant hits, so there's not that much of an issue to be forced to hit then wait with nail arts because it what usually happens with regular nail swings anyways.

I wish this game was more balanced in its combat options. I think nail arts should do more damage and/or the strength charm should also apply to them. Also most of the "combat" charms in the game are either complete garbage (sporeshroom, glowing womb, defenders crest,...) or broken (strength, shaman, quickslash,...), so everyone ends up using similar builds. Flukenest is still glitched (and broken) after everything team cherry tried to nerf it. Hope Silksong will be more balanced

@ForestskiesOfficial

3 ай бұрын

That's a good sentiment in theory, but I challenge you to figure out how you would fix these to make it all equally viable without making any one thing too overpowered, or having to completely nerf something until it becomes practically unusable. While there may be problems with something here and there, I will say that at least for the most part, things feel very fair and well balanced in actual gameplay for most people from what I've seen. Things like this really only apply for min-maxing. As for the point of everybody using similar builds, it's because there's just objectively only a few ways to make a nail build or spell build. It's obvious what charms were meant to help facilitate which builds. And they fit their niche well.

All of that is just about the optimisation, with an unspoken given that we always want to get the best dps no matter the cost. You failed to mention that Quickslash and Strength cost three charm notches each, while Nailmaster's glory costs one, singular, lone notch. All this free space can be taken by for example Souleater (sadly, realistically the only 4 notch charm ever worth using in combat) to lay the groundwork for a unique Nailarts-Spells build that excels at dealing really good damage while keeping more aggressive enemies and bosses at bay. Is it more efficient? I dunno, probably not. I still like using it. It's badass.

@Vegathron

3 ай бұрын

I understand what you are saying, but the thing I am more trying to point out is nail arts just aren't really supported by the charm system. sure NMG only costs 1 notch and the 2 other charms in question 6 - but notches aren't the problem, the problem is if I WANT to spend notches to enhance nail arts there simply isn't a way to do it. and yes you aren't going to be standing still DPSing the entire time like the video implies, however there are windows where you do where this at least somewhat applies! Also, I don't think its a problem or anything with the game - its just fun to compare!

@stanislawwitkowicz918

3 ай бұрын

I had an idea for a miniquest, where the Knight visits the Nailmasters with Heavy Blow equipped and they all recognise this charm as their master's scam, so they give you three pieces of a different charm, that replaces Heavy Blow and provides bonus to Nailarts damage. Could be called Triple Strike or something. I don't think anyone would miss Heavy Blow

@squiddler7731

3 ай бұрын

​@@Vegathron I get where they're coming from. Like yeah, nail spam will always be more effective, but if you're running a build that doesn't have 6 notches to spare, nailmaster's glory is a nice alternative that needs nothing else to support it. Saying it's "always bad" is underselling it when it was never meant to be as good with it being a one-notch charm.

I have recently found a nice mod expanding upon many grimm troupe charms, Nightmare Spark. This mod adds a new obtainable charm with 10 awesome special interactions themed around the grimm troupe. Its quite well made and balanced, and gives some lackluster charms like Grimmchild and Carefree Melody a new use. Am a big fan of your deep dives and would love to see a detailed explanation of these features!

@Vegathron

2 ай бұрын

Hey there sounds neat! I will check it out! :)

@TheLastBawa

2 ай бұрын

@@Vegathron Thanks! You can read up on some interactions in the readme!

Nail arts become extremely necessary when doing Pantheons with All Bindings due to the low base nail damage. Due to lower health/resources, a more patient game-plan gives yourself more time to charge nail arts and like said in the video, more range which makes attacks safer. Cyclone slash is great in the Pantheons with All Bindings against so many bosses, even bosses/enemies in the air since cyclone slash lets you stall as long as you're mashing the attack button (Obblobles, Galien at the start of the fight for example). Great/Dash slash also let you take care of little enemies in boss fights instantly, where other wise you would need to hit with the nail twice to dispatch of them (especially in the Collector fights in P3AB & P5AB)

nail arts are better for all bindings pantheons than just spamming the nail. Also the cyclone slash is the best one of the nail arts because you just need to charge up 1 nail art and get a lot of damage. Useful for bosses that don't give you too much time to hit them. you can use it when fighting nkg during his fire pillars attack if you dont have soul for abyss shrek. Also the cyclone slash gives a lot of soul. you should also consider charm notches because the nail build is 6 charm notches as for the nail arts it's only 1. Over all, I prefer nail arts

4:56 staggering counts number of hits though

Keep in mind nail arts will stall you like when you use spells. So use them at your own risk!

I just thought about this yesterday, and now this video shows up, haha.

I think they had the right idea but I would argue that the nail arts was the weakest (in terms of fun and interesting) of the mechanics included in this game. I love this game but the nail arts aren’t for me tho with some tweaks they could have been amazing.

I find that when I play the game I almost never use nail arts. The only time I really used nail arts was to kill annoying enemies like primal aspids in one hit. This can be quite useful in colosseums especially if you do not use spells much.

id say one fight that is really good for cyclone is flukemarm, you charge up prematurely, cyclone while falling down, then obliterate with shrieks, its how i got my radiant for her

@Vegathron

3 ай бұрын

Ooh that sounds like a really cool strat!

But.. but... you can use the lingering great slash hitbox

which nail art do u prefer and why?

@TameemAltalhi

28 күн бұрын

Cyclone slash for fast soul gain also cyclone go BRRRR

Always sub to an Aussie creator. On ya mate.

@Vegathron

10 күн бұрын

aay thanks champion!

Excuse me i have a question… from an old game you where playing , was there an update on the savant key on katana zero because for me , the second room doesnt appear its not the same , do you need to do something befor for this room to appear???

@Vegathron

2 ай бұрын

Hmm nothing changed as far as I know. Double check you're definitely in the right level/area is the only thing I can think to tell you.

I dont understand how people, in a fight all based around reacting and manoeuvering around the attacks of NKG, try to damage him with attacks that freeze you in place for like 2 seconds every time you use them

@WhatISawJuly7th

3 ай бұрын

You know you can charge the nail arts while you move around right? Ive fought NKG several times with heavy nail art usage and its very fun.

@STNDD

3 ай бұрын

@@WhatISawJuly7th I mean when you release it

Wah- do people really think nail masters glory buffs the arts dmg?

Nail or spells?

@Vegathron

3 ай бұрын

Soon!

Nah, imma still use it anyway.

I'm the fourth comment me subscribe just 2 months ago!!

@Vegathron

3 ай бұрын

Yooo thanks for the support man!