Thank God since this video went out, orange bikes has been saved. Hurrah 😊

Motorcycle brands saw that normal MTB's were being sold at the same prices and in some cases more that MX bikes minus an engine, clutch, swingarm, plastics, seat, radiator, beefy forks, beefy wheels, hubs and spokes etc and thought... there is a lot of profit to work with here if people are willing to pay the same price for MTB's as they do for MX bikes.

Thats great news about the derailleur! That's what its all about companies taking notice! Now i might thing again about getting one through the year for my new ebike now its not an arm and a leg to repair the thing! Well done

Every sram derailleur I've ever owned has inexplicably bent for seemingly no reason. Shimano/other brand from now on. Also, kudos to yamaha for not following the sheep to 29", 27.5+ gives an awesome ride feel. Agile and smooth. I can't see why it's been a largely ignored set up.

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

We’ve had plenty of Shimano mechs bend and break too. Cages are made from quite a soft alloy.

@bmartinot

6 ай бұрын

First sram for me recently. Bends all the time too🙄

@markosteinberger

6 ай бұрын

I'd never buy a 29er.

I agree the GasGas has gone to the front of the cue. I have been riding bikes for 7 years now and don't have a problem with motorcycle brands having an Ebike in their ranges. Another one to add to your list is TRS similar to GasGas owned by Jordi Tarres. One of my bikes is a Thok TK01R , this brand basically make the Ducati range. I love it and it's an extremely well thought out bike. I would certainly consider owning a new GG in the future, it would sit well in my workshop alongside my 250 GG trials bike.

Thanks to Alan ive got the new latch and did a video on it on my channel. The new latch has a thikher ramp that the pivot pin follows and the ramp doesn't break off. Takes a few minutes to fix.

pretty cool e bikes from the moto company’s. I think the only one that actually looks like a dirt bike is the 2024 Canyon torque on and it is a bike brand.

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

Yes, the Torque:on is very Moto with the ‘gas tank’ water bottle and Ken Roczen paint job!

@trailpimp6369

6 ай бұрын

@@MBRmagazine 💯💯

With the prices of current high end MTBs compared to high end sport motorbikes, I suspect motorbikes manufacturers could indeed enter the market and be competitive.

I don’t think I’d buy one unless my LBS carried and serviced them. I pretty much buy my home brands. Santa Cruz, Specialized. They do a great deal to support mountain biking in Northern California.

Wow .. big company listening to consumers. Tears are filling my eyes...

Rode the gas gas ecc6 and mxc6 yesterday, spent the day on them , great bikes except for the auto shift ,

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

Obvs you can turn auto shift off though 👍

@philhicks5818

6 ай бұрын

So why would I buy it just to turn it off,

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

There are other advantages to SRAM powertrain aside from auto shift.

Short version, yes because they have all the RnD done for more than 40 years, the perfect electric bicycle will be close to a motocross bike.

I purchased a Yamaha 7 that was a demo model. Goofy design if you like to attach things to the frame because, you CAN'T Fit and finish wasn't very good, lots of paint chips. Big miss is the lack of telemetry and data display Haven't really put enough miles on it to say but, so far it seems to be livelier than my Trek Powerfly. Well spec'd compared to my Trek and a lot cheaper. Big plus was the 3 year warranty

Get a brew belt for cold charging

sram actually listening is something great. They could even get more popular by doing stuff like this

The motorcycle industry is cashing in on the ridiculous prices charged by the bike industry. I can buy right now, a GasGas 250cc trials bike or a Honda CR250 for less than I paid for my ebike. And there is far more complex engineering involved in a motorbike 🤣

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

Plenty of reasons why e-bikes and motorcycles are similar prices. Maybe we should do a video on it?

@Does_It_matter-No_it_doesnt

6 ай бұрын

​@@MBRmagazine absolute bullshit

@michaelcooke5050

6 ай бұрын

Oh.. please tell @@MBRmagazine

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

Ha! Sorry, what are we thinking? it’s purely because the bike industry sees us as gullible dentists with too much money! 😉

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

We’ll do something on it 👍

re bent cage... with a drop out, the drop out hanger would have been the sacrificial part, but sram wouldnt be able to make as much money selling that

Road cc journalist said the bike industry is starting to Recover now it was their headline 2 days ago so thats good news but bad for buying bike's again soon all the 2k off here n there will stop soon now! I got £2500 off my 7k cube on new years Day order paid 4480 for it so happy i was going to get something cheaper but by the time i upgraded everything id have the same components so Saved a good bit doing it this way with the money off just now! Nows the time to buy for sure!

What do you think about Serial1 by Harley?

Have PP pinched the steel/carbon combo idea from Stanton?

@JamieDarlowMBR

6 ай бұрын

I think Stanton makes steel/Ti doesn't it? 🤔

Why wouldn't they when they can charge twice as much for a quarter of the materials?

The Honda looks like the old Trek Y - frame.

I bet they can't believe the mark-up on an e-mtb

Why not, they can make something with a tenth of the number of parts in a mx bike and sell it for the same price, win win.

I miss the mag...

I was not impressed by the Yamaha offerings. The geo was stale at best and I ended up going rocky Mountian (local bike brand) with much better spec/price as well as better geo by several miles.

It's pretty likely that those bikes weren't engineered by the guys who concept their motorcycles. All of them look pretty familiar unfortuately. They follow the herd.

PINION.......

I have thought for a while motorbike companies are going to take over. In my opinion the reason they’re coming in now as there’s only one last major breakthrough on mtb and it’s the introduction of the internal gearbox and get rid of the mech once and for all. Who better than motorcycle companies to do this it is what they do. I bet they have their R&r team working on it right now. Let’s face it with a motor and gearbox they’re closer to a motor bike than a mtb so they thought this is our market and mtb companies won’t be able to compete with likes of say Honda. I think in the near future you will have a motor and gearbox in one lump. Chuck in the mix with the next breakthrough of batteries which is going make them lighter the bikes will have all the bonus of gearbox and motor with weight not exceeded

Thats what id be kore concerned about whos making the ebikes for them? Ducati ebike doesn't have a good Write up and i went with the German Cube action team instead of the Gas gas! there was something that wasn't right for me i can't remember what now think it was the battery and sram motor i wanted bosch smart system only! But with the UK weather I've had it 2 weeks now and not had a chance to Take it out so hopefully after this storm coming I'll get Out this week finally! Motocross bike manufacturers know moto cross but do they know MTB and embts? By the looks of it most don't that ducati is really nice but the reviews are terrible for it

What about FANTIC

These two dudes need a reality check. 6.5k for an entry level e bike isn’t good value for money!!!!!

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

We mean relative to other carbon e-bikes with the SRAM motor, not in absolute terms.

@asifitmatters1

6 ай бұрын

@@MBRmagazine and WE (the people who aren’t marketing monkeys but actual paying customers) mean that regardless of motor (the SRAM motor being a Specialized motor, mildly tweaked and rebranded…) these prices are ridiculous!!!!! But that’s fine you keep talking the talk all the way to the same fate as Orange and many others who thought they could take the piss out of their customers with ridiculous marketing garbage and prices that made no sense! There’s a reason that the bike industry is going down the toilet! And if you want to know what it is, just look in the mirror. Selling people BS in bulk and talking absolute shit the way you two do in your videos can only last for so long.

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

Wow, that’s quite the rant. You’ve obviously missed the fact fact we’ve been testing £500-£1,000 hardtails every year for the last 10 years, championing budget full-suspension bikes like the Calibre Bossnut, and critically reviewing so many bikes in the last 26 years that I’ve lost count of the number of awkward phone calls we’ve had with marketing managers and brands that have cut advertising or stopped sending us product. If you think current mtbs are worse value than they were ten or even 20 years ago you’re delusional. Yes, the top end has shattered the glass ceiling, but the entry level is almost exactly where it was.

@asifitmatters1

6 ай бұрын

@@MBRmagazine bite me marketing monkey!

Wow, motorcycle companies selling motored cycles. Gee, who could of predicted that? 🤔

Unless E bikes come down in price they are not going to sell in numbers.

@kyleslater5245

6 ай бұрын

Polygon ones are really gonna start pushing them out. They have some bloody good priced emtbs.

For sure Motorcycle companies should make emtb, but not like Ducati. Make your own like husq.

They aren't taking over (or even dipping into) mountain biking, they are dipping into e-biking - just saying. Prolly gonna get flak from e-bikers for saying this but it is what it is.

Gas gas has ZERO chance of penetrating the e-bike market. It’s totally idiotic to even attempt to do so with a product, specifically motor and battery, that isn’t unique to them.

Of course they will. They are the experts in making motorbikes and are milking the excess profits e-bikes have

when does an e-bike become an electric motorbike. Wont be long I rekon.

Eventually E MTB’s will be hacked with throttle. Obviously people don’t want to peddle when using turbo 100% of the time.

@kyleslater5245

6 ай бұрын

I dunno. I like turbo for up the hill. But I still want to pedal. I mean if there is a chair lift I’d probably use that cause I am a gravity based rider. But for an exercise day to stay fit I want to ride up the hill. Emtb in turbo just means I can get 6 runs rather than 2.

@ssjj9584

6 ай бұрын

@@kyleslater5245 I still like to pedal. I’m a gravity based rider also. I find the stronger I am going up, the more strong I am going down without fatigue with more precision and speed. You learn that mental strength also. Never give up attitude which translates to pretty much everything. I guess I’d rather just ride longer, get the same amount of ups and downs as the E and be more fit and strong. But that’s just me.

Why do all these moto companies make such ugly bikes?

Motor bike brands should stick with what they know best, try buy a gas gas gravel bike or a gas gas hardtail, stay loyal to bike brands who cater for us all, not motorbike companies that dont.

@JogBird

6 ай бұрын

they seeing that ebikes are selling for more than motorbikes, and they are deciding that selling a $20k ebike makes more sense than a $20k motorbike

E mountain biking, maybe. Mountain biking, no and it should stay that way. They can make all the emtbs they like, doesn't concern me.

Would I consider buying a motor brand bike - NO! I will stick with Ebike companies from any of the ZEG empire.

No, motorcycle brands are taking over “motor”cycles.

E bikes are not bicycles

@mgpBLARG

6 ай бұрын

E-bikes are modern Mopeds. They should not be treated like bicycles. If anyone took a moped on a bike trail, they would get it impounded and crushed, but somehow e-bikes are OK because these mopeds are powered by electricity?

@asifitmatters1

6 ай бұрын

Yes they are!

@Chwizzy

6 ай бұрын

Ride one and find out

@kyleslater5245

6 ай бұрын

The problem is a lot of mtbers say e-bike rather then emtb. This is a problem because e-bike means a motorbike with a battery for power to everyone outside mtb land.

@topchoice1621

6 ай бұрын

What are they then ?

So e-bikes are basically motorcycles, bc they have MOTORS. Got it. Another reason e-bikes are not real bikes and should stay OFF THE Trail

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

We'll be sure to tell that to all the trail-builders we know riding e-bikes! ;-)

@huckfin1598

6 ай бұрын

@@MBRmagazine tell them to stay off the trails as well

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, "stay off the trails you built, you cheats!". "And don't repair them, or build new ones until you ride a proper bike".

@huckfin1598

6 ай бұрын

@@MBRmagazine all trail builders ride e-bikes? If they ride dirt bikes should they use dirt bikes on MTB trails as well? See how idiotic your logic is?

@MBRmagazine

6 ай бұрын

Yes, all the trail builders locally ride e-bikes. They build the trails, they maintain them, and they have no problems with other mountain bikers riding them on e-bikes. Equating an e-mtb with a dirt bike is bizarre.

the proof that "ebikes" (literally motorbikes) belong to the motoworld

Of course they're getting into the ebike market... More profit for less materials and work.