_"Look for the best educators, not the best polyglots"_ golden advice, and is applicable not just in language learning

@calebw8189

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's a good idea to learn from both.

@totoroben

2 жыл бұрын

My Spanish italki tutor is the best of the best.

@jmr7368

Жыл бұрын

@@totoroben What her/his name?

@totoroben

Жыл бұрын

@@jmr7368 Cristian Ruiz

@thetrueoneandonlyladyprinc8038

Жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure they only know a few phrases in those languages, but want to think they are fluent, but if one asked them a tricky question, they wouldn’t understand or wouldn’t know how to answer - like, I heard some people say they feel ‘no limit’ in languages like English and Spanish etc, but if they were to read my lyrics (the most complex lyrical works with the most metaphors etc) that are written to perfection and extremely metaphorical, they would probably not understand most of the words or most metaphors etc...

I feel fake polyglots make the real ones look bad. Some genuine language learners will get bad reputation because of guys who can say "I want coffee" in 58 languages

@nidb2

Жыл бұрын

why let them ruin it? You are giving them power they do not deserve. Use your judgement and choose the ones you trust.

@mcmerry2846

7 ай бұрын

Ppl learn 5 sentences and say they speak a language 😂

@wittykittywoes

Ай бұрын

@@mcmerry2846「こんにちは」　「元気ですか」　「元気です」　「NAMEです」　ええと　「ありがとうございます」 i am fluent in japanese. wow! im so cool and biliungal. now i need to learn chinese and arabic (so easy!!!)

People don't criticize KZread polyglots for having low level in a language. They criticize them when they claim to have a level they don't actually have. Lying is bad, no matter who gets inspired by those lies. There's no need to lie to viewers.

@ZadenZane

9 ай бұрын

Good point! I know several languages to a low level but would never claim to "speak" them.

I prefer “multilingual” to “polyglot”. And I totally agree with you about the pub test. I typically say (as with French, for example), that I can speak it well enough to order the wrong item from a menu but explain why I rather liked the dish anyway. And at the end of the day, I never undertake to learn a new language because I want to IMPRESS others. I learn them because I want to EXPRESS myself with others without using English as a universal crutch. Cheers! -Phill, Las Vegas

@dancinggiraffe6058

2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised that you didn't start studying a language until you were 19. I was under the impression that there was some sort of foreign language requirement in schools in the UK.

@alicemilne1444

2 жыл бұрын

@@dancinggiraffe6058 Olly Richards (not the person you were replying to here) has said elsewhere that he had French lessons in school. So he was not a total novice when he went to France at 19. His point is that because he and many others in his particular environment had no interest in foreign languages as children, they didn't learn to speak them despite having lessons. England, in particular, is very parochial in that way. At one point, English schools began making a foreign language elective instead of compulsory. The rest of the UK has a slightly different approach.

@monkey5878

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I think the term “multilingual “ comes across as more of an explanation but the term “polyglot “ sounds like more of a name or label . If people just want to be a polyglot as if it’s some kind of prize or accolade then they’re missing the point of all the reasons why language learning is such a great thing .

@guid3360

2 жыл бұрын

Merci gros 👍 on apprécie les efforts

@carloscarneiro7226

2 жыл бұрын

Multilingual and polyglot are the same thing.

I don't think people are criticising them for having a certain level. They are criticising them for intentionally making themselves look like a higher level than they actually are (through multiple takes, jumpcuts, notes off screen, etc). I have seen videos of people speaking Russian fluently to the camera after what they claim is 1 year of study (which I know to be impossible). Lo and behold there is never a single video on their channels of them speaking the language in a natural setting - it's always just them speaking to the camera and glancing off screen. I think misrepresenting yourself is toxic as it leads people to think impossible results are possible, which then leads on to ideas like "oh well maybe I'm not cut out for language learning, as I don't have the talent they have".

@juliusjohnson5967

2 жыл бұрын

Those people needs to look deep within themselves because most people learn languages the same way other people do.If they never tried to even learn another language, why even believe the naysayers.

@toolworks

2 жыл бұрын

@@MM-ej2wn Not at the level I'm describing. I learned for 5 or 6 hours per day for my first year and they were FAR better than I was after 1 year. They speak so fluidly, with very few grammar mistakes, and you can even see them glancing at their notes. If they uploaded a long form interview or a video of them speaking Russian while walking around outside, I would eat my words, but it's always the same with the fakers - they sit in their room so they can read a script and make jumpcuts less noticeably.

@almazkairosh7976

2 жыл бұрын

@@MM-ej2wn As a person who learned Russian as a second language and who speaks it pretty fluent I tell you that hours not enough to get fluency level.

@gamermapper

2 жыл бұрын

What do you think about Xiaomanyc? Even tho he doesn't know all those languages fluently I kinda like him anyway. I watch him more for fun than for education tho. He doesn't claim that he's fluent in all those languages, he just fastly learned the basic phrases to make the native speakers happy. And I think he's one of the only ones who did a video speaking Navajo while not being ethnically Navajo

@red2

2 жыл бұрын

Xiaomanyc learns scripts and has preset phrases he says back. All click bait and fake apart from the 2-3 languages he really knows.

This is probably the most mature attitude to this matter I've seen on KZread - another reason for me to respect Olly

@shadman8227

2 жыл бұрын

That is true Capitan Greg

@natalienm5445

2 жыл бұрын

Короче, тут Ютюб цензура не пойму за чтооо:)), а я хочу на русском написать:) Согласна, а ещё мне нравится прямолинейность автора канала DaysofFrenchandSwedish, на которого я недавно тоже подписалась. Такие дела:)

@natalienm5445

2 жыл бұрын

Вооот, наконец-то поняли, что я тут на русском никого не оскорбляю, наоборот, хвалю🤗♥️

@sheldonbodryn1003

2 жыл бұрын

Очень интересно.

I had dinner with my German teacher from highschool recently (it's been 35 years), I'm old. She speaks 4 languages and we were talking about having a "good ear" which makes our pronunciation more native. She admitted when she went to a teacher's conference and was placed in the advanced German teacher's pool because of her perfect accent. They were speaking at a level which was esoteric to her and she had to insist to be placed in the intermediate group. I have to be just as honest with my apparent skill when all it is is a good accent. My vocabulary isn't nearly where I want it to be.

@Adaguflo

2 жыл бұрын

I can totally relate

@blotski

2 жыл бұрын

I have the same problem. Well, obviously it's not actually much of a problem really but, all modesty aside, I am really good at accents. I always have been even as a kid. The thing is I can say something in a language I've started to learn and people react telling me I speak really well but I've actually just said the only 15 words I actually know!

@UnexpectedTurnOfEvents

2 жыл бұрын

Wish I could say the same... Vocabulary and grammar aren't an issue for me in the languages I speak, but even though I hear the fine subtlety of accents, I sound foreign in all languages, including my own native one after living away for so many years. But hey, my writing's smooth... ;)

@gogakushayemi

2 жыл бұрын

This is me in Korean. One of my Korean tutors ask me for advice on how to get his other students to speak with natural Korean accents. Also, I am always really fluent at my level. So I will only know 52 words, but I will make all the conversation in the world, with just those 52 words, fluently and with a great accent. Ask me to listen to anything but beginner material and all I can catch is the verb endings.

@calebw8189

2 жыл бұрын

A good accent is actually a huge advantage as it makes you much easier to understand. You have skill. What you're worried about is vocabulary and knowledge, which will all come with time.

It's not clickbait that I mind so much. I mean, Benny's Fluent in Three Months for Mandarin is what heavily inspired my Chinese journey. What absolutely boils my blood is racialized titles on KZread, seemingly mostly by Americans, like "LATINA shocked at WHITE GUY'S PERFECT Spanish" or "BLACK MAN SHOCKS locals with FLUENT MANDARIN," as if there aren't tons of ethnically diverse people that already speak those languages all over the world.

@eduarda2534

2 жыл бұрын

I also hate those videos, it looks like they have no respect for language they are learning and only use it as a party trick. I saw a video that said "WHITE GUY speaks native language and SHOCKS NATIVE AMERICANS". Like??? Native American languages are struggling to survive and you are just using the language for attention. So disrespectful

@stevencarr4002

2 жыл бұрын

@@eduarda2534 I wouldn't worry too much about Native Languages. After all, even 'dead' languages like Latin and Ancient Greek are still studied because of the wealth of classic literature people want to experience that was written in those languages. Similarly, Native American languages will still be studied in 2000 years time for much the same reasons.

@paulbradford6475

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. Let's not racially charge anything. It's a straw man.

@eduarda2534

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevencarr4002 But that's not the point, I'm just saying that using a endangered language just to get views and likes is pretty disrespectful. Also it is still very sad when a native American language dies, since the only reason they died is because Native Americans were forced to only speak English (and Spanish in Latin America) during the colonization

@solsi2486

2 жыл бұрын

Moses (laoshu) was doing that but it was funny because the names of the videos were titled the same way as on Pom videos, but others are just obnoxious.

Ah yes, I will never forget when a certain famous KZread polyglot "learned French in 24 hours".

I agree with you about the Dunning Kruger effect. The more I learn about a language, the more I see how far I need to go for fluency. I see how people could get discouraged. To me, it's like eating an elephant, you do it one bite at a time.

@Soulskinner

2 жыл бұрын

"I agree with you about the Dunning Kruger effect." - frankly, it sounds kinda strange to me. I mean, there's a simple way to check out your level: you turn on some content. Content for native speakers, on the target language. If you're comfortable with understanding it, then you're fine. If you're not - you're far from fluency. Well. You can make multiple checks. Or even the toughest one - try to read native fictional literature. If you're comfortable, then yeah. At least, you're fluent in understanding it.

@juliusjohnson5967

2 жыл бұрын

I bet they get discouraged because they are focusing way too much attention on grammer in the beginning levels.

@marikothecheetah9342

2 жыл бұрын

One of my favs quotes is the one from Socrates: I know that I know nothing. I always use it and despite my vast knowledge about languages and solid knowledge of three of them I know learning of any kind is an ongoing and never ending journey.

@marikothecheetah9342

2 жыл бұрын

@@Soulskinner fiction is relatively easy. and in some cases can be very misleading (take for example Asian languages - oh, the formal language!) I judge myself by reading scientific/non-fictional books on topics I know well in my native language. But that's just me.

@Soulskinner

2 жыл бұрын

@@marikothecheetah9342 The point is that fiction is using more complex language (if we're not talking about books for children), than scientific/non-fictional books. At least, judging by my experience with English. Ok. Maybe not quite "scientific/non-fictional", but various textbooks, math books and this kind of stuff, seemed quite easy for me to read. At least, I rather had troubles with understanding the topic, than the language. XD While fiction... I haven't read it much in English. But usually had much more troubles with literature.

I used to think those “polyglot speaking 50 languages, wowing locals by ordering a sandwich!” are harmless and that the average person understands that these people are not actually comfortable in the languages they try to speak in. And most people like me, whose native language is not particularly useful or popular meeting someone who even makes the smalles effort is interesting hence the reactions. But I didn’t consider that most people also do not have experience learning a foreign language beyond a high school course and it’s thus not as obvious as it might seem. And once it enters the territory of selling “language programs” claiming to teach you a foreign tongue in 30 days it’s entering the unethical territory for me. I have no problems with people who enjoy learning dozens of languages on some basic tourist level and sharing that. As long as they are honest, it’s harmless. A hobby like any other. But for someone who wants to learn a foreign language in a dedicated, progressive way those channels are largely useless and it’s probably much better to find channels dedicated to your language of choice. Those will surly be more helpful and inspiring. To each their own.

@simontollin2004

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on, that's exactly how it is 👍

I rather describe myself as multilingual than identify as a polyglot. Multilingual is an attribute - one can possess the trait weakly or strongly and if someone criticizes my language skills, it doesn't feel like a personal attack. Polyglot seems to be used far more often as an identity. If I say I'm a polyglot, and someone criticizes my language skills, it'll feel more like an attack on my sense of self. It's like the difference between saying a person is beautiful versus call that person a "beauty." One is a trait that may be important, but it is one of many, and "losing looks" won't cause an identity crisis. However, if you're a "beauty," that's the central aspect of your self-conception and "losing your looks" is an existential crisis.

@SallijaBule

2 жыл бұрын

I couln't agree more.

@aphr0d

2 жыл бұрын

What an interesting perspective!!

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful comment

@marikothecheetah9342

2 жыл бұрын

In reality polyglot is just a Greek term for multilingual, which is a Latin equivalent, but yeah, people love to hijack words for their own agenda. :/ I am a wanna-be polyglot. Always and probably forever :3

@lunachartae

2 жыл бұрын

​@@marikothecheetah9342 it's also funny to me that two words that are foreign language equivalents of each other and have the same dictionary definition have evolved to have such different connotations. I'm sure people who study linguistics have a lot to say about that.

I think the problem is, if I see "learn perfect x" in 3 months whilst i'm compeltely struggling learning Korean, I just feel bad. I feel like im slacking, and will never get to a good level. I do get the sense that their videos aren't entirely honest in whats considered "perfect". I actually posted this commet before I got to your section at the end, and I'm glad to see it finally mentioned and properly discussed.

@paulbradford6475

2 жыл бұрын

A small tale: I'm retired. I've been riding my bike for decades and even did a little racing way back, but I'm just an average cyclist, not born with the genetic gifts that make a champion cyclist. While riding, I have to remind myself daily that I have to go at my own speed and not worry about, or be disappointed in myself if some young lady zips by me that I have absolutely no chance of catching up to. To her I silently say, "God love you, girl. Power on!" The same holds true with language study; I've been studying Spanish from grammar books and some KZread videos for about a year. It's a slow and rocky road, but I persist. Some language learners are quick study's. Most, I guess, are like me - not so quick. But I do see progress, however incremental. I make a lot of mistakes, but I'm at least recognizing how the mistake was made and that's a sign of progress in my book. I'll persist. As some polyglot out there once said, "It's not difficult, it's complex." That struck me. How does one eat an elephant? In small bites.

@michaelschiller7871

2 жыл бұрын

I struggle with this as well. Whenever I get bothered by it, I just remind myself that there are 2 possibilities: 1. This is a complete lie and I shouldn't feel discouraged by it 2. There is some truth in it, in which case I can achieve my goals faster than I was planning to Now, number 1 is basically always the truth. If, however, number 2 were ever true, then I should be excited and not discouraged

@ellbo2

2 жыл бұрын

@Zane Goebel - Everyday Indonesian That's true, but that also create the problem that most people won't have 8 to 12 hours a day to study because they have work and other commitments.

@ellbo2

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelschiller7871 Good way at looking at it. My way is I can go at my own pace and enjoy it rather forcing myself to learn it.

@ellbo2

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulbradford6475 I agree. Learn at your own pace. Tbf the progress is great, I can now actually read Korean sentences and understand them (but stuff I learnt, like the weather haha) so if I think I couldn't do that four months ago then its a good way to look at it.

It's not being criticized for the level at which you speak a language. It's being criticized when you going on TV shows claiming that you can be fluent in 3 months (literally using that terminology) while having a truly mediocre level, yet think you are an authority on language learning. Worse, when that's praised by people who have no idea how well that person actually speaks the language because they don't speak it themselves.

@KyleMcMullan_Musician

2 жыл бұрын

If you watch to the end of the video he does address that

@JenJHayden

Жыл бұрын

@@KyleMcMullan_Musician he didn't address it. He deflected. He makes it seem like it's something totally different from what he does and it's not. It's that "it's not me, it's those other people doing that". "On the whole on this topic, I think it's a good thing".

@nidb2

Жыл бұрын

@@JenJHayden he addressed it, head-on

"I understand if you disagree with me, but I don't really care." I wish more people lived under this rule.

I don't care if I am/will be polyglot! I'm just enjoying learning languages, exploring new worlds, readings books in their original language! Videos of people who learn languages encourage me, I returned to Japanese that I left a few years ago, I picked some new languages... I'm happy right now and that's all that matters. Thanks for the video and have a nice weekend!

@wingedhussar1117

2 жыл бұрын

As for me, I am a native speaker of German, I have a C level in English, at least B2 (if not C1) in Spanish, B1 in French, B1 in Polish, A2 in Italian, A1 in Russian and I have good reading comprehension skills in Portuguese and Swedish. However, I never call myself a polyglot, because I simply don't want to have all the pressure on me... Whenever I am called a polyglot, I usually just play it down by saying "I am just a language enthusiast, my language skills are still a little bit too mediocre, but I hope that I will eventually become a polyglot in the future" :) Whenever I say this, people still see me as a polyglot, because in most cases my language skills are still much better than theirs, but at least they think I am a modest one and not an arrogant prick :)

@irinaspalve8356

2 жыл бұрын

@@wingedhussar1117 I am native Russian speaker, bilingual in Latvian. I guess I have C1/C2 in English, don't know exactly. Then Japanese is around JLPT N3, Spanish B1/B2, Turkish/Chinese/Korean - almost beginner A1, I guess. I do understand to some extent Latgalian, Ukrainian, Slovak (and maybe some other Slavic languages that I haven't been exposed to) though can't speak them at all. But even this small knowledge makes people think that I am some kind of genius, though I have a long way ahead. Most of people around speak barely can speak second language. So, of course, I may look very gifted. 😄

@mug7703

2 жыл бұрын

@@wingedhussar1117 You are a polyglot by definition then. It’s not easy to achieve those kinds of levels in multiple languages so well done. And I respect your humility. Any amount of pressure you feel is in your head and unnecessary. It’s a bit silly to pretend the meaning of a word doesn’t apply to them if it’s technically true. Like a person who bikes, swims and runs for recreation and competes in the odd swim-bike-run event pretending they aren’t a triathlete. Or an unmarried man saying they aren’t a bachelor.

Here in the Netherlands, dutch people who speak *only* three foreign languages (typically English, German and French) are NOT considered polyglots. I'm guessing that speaking only 4 languages isn't considered special in places like India, Indonesia or Nigeria either

@wolverine712

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I'm from India and in my locality 5 languages is the norm. People don't care unless you speak a sixth language.

@joemiller947

2 жыл бұрын

India is not as multilingual as one might think, only 26% of indians can speak more than one language which is far lower than the world average

@MoreThanFuel

2 жыл бұрын

PREACH

@DoomShrm

2 жыл бұрын

My nigerian-american uncle speaks English igbo, a pidgin between the two ( with its own rules/concepts ) and a little French.

@drunkpekka4284

2 жыл бұрын

Same for the Philippines. If we're going by stereotypes, especially from those outside the captial, the minimum is 3. It's swings from being normal to quite controversial when the topic of education comes up.

The problem is that people (content creators) and "youtube-polyglots" waste peoples time by claiming shit they aren't. What makes people kind of annoyed is clicking on a video about learning languages and some moron runs around memorizing a few phrases and clickbaits the video as being a "polyglot" or "shocking" people with their immense language skill.

The issue for me isn’t the level they speak, it’s the people who claim they learned it 30 days or 90 days. I don’t believe it’s true. I believe they’re practicing for months and then coming out and saying they’re going to do a challenge and learn the language in x amount of time when they already had a headstart. Anyone who has started to learning a language knows how challenging it can be and how much consistency ir requires. So we go to these liars looking for methods to find a more efficient process and it’s not doable. That is discouraging.

@daysandwords

2 жыл бұрын

I know. I can't believe how SOME channels in particular go several months without uploading but when they upload, they've magically learned Spanish in a month! It's like "Ok what have you been doing for 6 months then?"

@tomasgombik3363

2 жыл бұрын

They only forgot to add that it is 30 days x 24 hours doing nothing just learning the language:)) Which is absolutely possible if you happen to be a time traveler.

When I first saw an “I learned x language in 7 days”, video - and saw that smug, self important look on the KZreadr’s face that made that claim, it really soured my taste to the term “polyglot” and self proclaimed KZread polyglots in general. It made me feel like they were making a mockery of all the hard work real people put into learning a language and like it was all just self wankage for their own ego. I went on an unsubscribing spree after that. It was such a turn off 😅

@KM-uh5ro

Жыл бұрын

I also find their videos to be insulting. The shocking ppl videos are of them just punking ppl. The learning a whole language in a day is just them memorizing a bunch of sentences. Now this one “polyglot” is even putting videos out on how dead ancient languages probably sounded like when nobody in the world knows. It’s so much bs

I spent thirteen years learning Japanese while living in Tokyo. You know what? Learning Japanese was hard. I just started learning Arabic now. You know what? That’s just a whole new kind of hard.

@aar5153

2 жыл бұрын

Agree; broken plurals… 💀💀💀

@LegoCityFilms

2 жыл бұрын

Shokran

@okamiwithacamera6077

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah bro. But, speaking from experience, it is NOTHING compared to chechen....

@bhbxgoclran2174

2 жыл бұрын

I feel your pain

@simontollin2004

2 жыл бұрын

@@okamiwithacamera6077 or Georgian, that one is seriously difficult

The problem I see is people promoting methods or selling things on false pretenses. A beginner searching KZread for advice and inspiration isn't going to be able to tell how good or bad someone really is. If the person can speak quickly and sound confident it's going to look and sound impressive even if half of what they say is gibberish. I've seen a couple of KZreadrs, one or two of them prominent in the "polyglot community", who are selling materials or methods and claim to be fluent in my native language and they're just not. At least not to a level I think anyone setting out to learn a language aims for even as a first step. It's kind of like someone boasting that they have the perfect method for teaching you maths, but they can't actually do anything beyond addition and subtraction. There's nothing wrong with not being great at maths, and you can definitely celebrate the joy of learning maths and talk about the journey of learning maths even if you're not an expert. But they look a bit silly if they start boasting about their skills, and if they start trying to sell maths classes to beginners they're just being jerks.

@007Layanne

2 жыл бұрын

Who is he ?

The fastest way to discourage someone from learning a language is to tell them they're not good enough in that language. It's so cruel, and also elitist and gate-keep-y. You don't see language teachers (good teachers, anyway) saying "Oh Jimmy that sucked, you need to be better." Language learning is hard and it takes a long time to become "fluent" (whatever that means) so calm down! Whoever is making these claims and being critical is someone who's insecure and wants to feel superior to other people. I imagine most of these people are native English speakers too, since it's very common to be a monolingual English speaker, and no doubt they feel superior if they speak more than one language. But actually, bi/multilingualism is super common around the world and you're not special or superior. Have a piece of humble pie and just go back to studying. lol

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment, I agree completely

I’m part of the silent majority that I’m inspired by the “polyglots” lol. It helps my motivation

@JessicaNyquist37

2 жыл бұрын

Same.

@rebeccajaynelong

2 жыл бұрын

Me too.

the BEST advice I heard about language learning (and any other leaning really) is to not compare yourself with others, but with yourself in the past I keep track of the dates I do my studying and I like to check it back later. Even if I feel like a month has been really slow with the studies, I can see a BIG difference from some months ago - This always boosts my self confidence and motivates me to continue my progress

@darkalligraph

2 жыл бұрын

oh hello, I recognise this username

@3_up_moon

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, when measuring yourself, don't use someone else's ruler. -internet quote

What I have noticed is that many of those polyglots record themselves expressing a few simple concepts in a foreign language and that's it. Anyone can learn to introduce themselves and talk about their hobbies in a new language, but actually being fluent is an entirely different story.

@christophercano4809

2 жыл бұрын

What would you want them to talk about though?

@pawemaojo1229

2 жыл бұрын

@@christophercano4809 Be spontaneous, maybe show a video of them talking to a native speaker on Skype about a random topic. He’s right, you could easily learn to introduce yourself in 20 languages with a decent accent. That doesn’t prove anything though.

@Sphereal

2 жыл бұрын

@@christophercano4809 In my opinion, being able to discuss sensible topics and not getting in trouble is a valid proof of fluency. There is a big difference between talking about harmless topic (who you are and what you enjoy doing) and more sensible topics such as politics or religion. That is when your grasp of nuances in any given foreign language comes in handy.

@christophercano4809

2 жыл бұрын

@@pawemaojo1229 But then again, that wouldn't prove that you speak that language, you can easily script a conversation even if you don't know the language, gosh, if you give me a couple of weeks I could make a scripted video talking with natives that are helping me in languages that I don't speak.

@christophercano4809

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sphereal But no one is gonna talk about politics or religion just out of the bag. Many people when they're asked to say something even in their native language, they don't know what to say and start saying the most basic things, it's completely normal.

My only Problem with the "polyglot community" and "fake polyglots" is that many of them exaggerate how easy it is to learn. I've seen numerous youtubers claim that it should only take a few months to speak a language comfortably, and one guy state that English speakers can learn the romance languages fluently in about a year. Just staying these things as a fact of life. It can be discouraging for the 95% of people that cannot do this (for whatever reason) and in fact discourage people. I just want people to be realistic and honest. If you dedicate your entire life to languages and spend 6 hours a day in classes, studies, practice, and travel the world to immerse yourself then sure. Maybe you'll be at a higher level of competency in a year. That's just not reality for most.

@JenJHayden

Жыл бұрын

YES!!! THIS ENTIRE VIDEO MISSED THAT POINT. THAT IS BY THE BIGGEST PROBLEM! well done Alex K. You get it.

@RovexHD

Жыл бұрын

I know. Teachers will sell you lies about learning difficult languages from the comfort of your home to get you on board with lessons. Realistically, how many English natives speak decent Mandarin Chinese that way ? Unless you study Chinese full time, it’s probably unheard of. And few people have the time to devote such dedication for a hobby.

@MrKoalaburger

Жыл бұрын

@@RovexHD my German instructor speaks 3 languages with fluency, and beginner in 1. She's devoted the last 20 years of her life to mastering languages and traveling the world. 20 years of dedication and only has fluency in 3 languages. I doubt it's cuz she's stupid, I just think she's honest about what it takes to truly learn a language and speak them at a high level.

@MrKoalaburger

Жыл бұрын

@@ivanhoewindsor4749 it's how pervasive they are. When I first started looking into videos for my second language, all the polyglots were front and center. And gave some disheartening advice, to say the least. I had to dig a little deeper and expand the breadth of my search to find better material. Such as native speakers with legit degrees in their language and/or formal teaching background.

As someone that watches this community from the outside, all the videos of people attacking each other and saying x and y don't actually know a language, I am better, general elitism, etc just seems so pathetic, their lives could be so much better if they just lived their own lives, and it's made me not even want to watch them casually anymore, I appreciate that you took it more objectively and that you are the one person to say "who cares", I had concerns clicking on this

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Jake! Hopefully this is an example of how a clickbaity title can be a positive. i.e. you have to get people to watch in order to be able to receive your opinions in the first place.

@tedcrowley6080

2 жыл бұрын

@@storylearning I agree. A video creator has to use the title (or the picture) to get people to start watching. That's fine. You know within a minute if the video provides great information (like Olly's) or is just fluff. I'm not upset about things I started watching...

@zuglymonster

Жыл бұрын

As another person who watches from completely outside the community, although I'd love to learn another language it genuinely gets so confusing for me just watching people explain different languages but seeing all these different "I hate fake polygot videos" is irritating and some of the people I've seen criticized in the comments admit they're only at a beginners level at some languages (like Woulter)

"Why are you learning a language?" Me? Oh. I'm learning Norwegian for basically no reason. I don't know. Norwegian's only spoken in Norway, by only five million people, I'm no Norwegian, there are so many other languages that are much more useful, and equally as easy. But I don't know. I like Norwegian, and I have no plans of quitting. Learn what you like. Stop listening to other people and just do it. Who really cares what others think? You're learning for yourself.

I'm learning russian, it's extremely hard (French native) but I am also really motivated and enjoying it a lot. Never give up on your dreams!

@OwenRhodri

2 жыл бұрын

I have just started Russian. I come from a B1 Czech level so I have a bit of a base with the language but although I understand the cyrillic alphabet it is definitely putting the breaks on my writing and reading comprehension. I think I have a tough time ahead too 😅

@marikothecheetah9342

2 жыл бұрын

Polish here, learning French. Subjonctif gives me headaches, but Dumas in original is Dumas in original :P

@menopriezvisko94

2 жыл бұрын

I am lewrninr french lol

@o.lyandzberg2784

Жыл бұрын

for me, it's kinda the inverse situation - I'm a Russian guy who moved to France and had to learn French, but it's amusing that in the end, we presumably speak the same set of languages. Please dont be discouraged, and toujourstoujoursouviens souviens pourquoi tu fais ça! Удачи!

We learn languages to enrich our lives. It doesn’t matter if we speak well or not. Of course we can improve over time but it’s not a competition. Let’s keep things positive

@kindmulberry7196

2 жыл бұрын

Very well said

@equalityforever302

2 жыл бұрын

Just don't say you know a language when you can only speak a handful of sentences.

@paholainen100

2 жыл бұрын

@@equalityforever302 I’ve never made that claim. There are only three languages I claim to speak. English German Italian. Other languages I barely even mention ( because I’m not good those such as Hungarian Indonesian Chinese etc etc )

@equalityforever302

2 жыл бұрын

@@paholainen100 You seem to have misread my intentions. I am not talking about you in particular, just people in general.

As part of the "silent majority", I can say that most polyglots from KZread don't add much to my learning. Like you said, they are just amusement. On the other side, your videos really add something. You don't need to teach me German in order to make me learn the language. You help me just showing the reality. Thank you.

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that Tomas!

What is toxic is not calling people out on their claims, it's people misrepresenting their level for clicks because it discourages honest learners.

After a while participating in the polyglot community, I decided that negative comments were rarely if ever helpful and it’s best to just stay positive. I really like your comment about how the people who speak the most languages are not necessarily the ones whose advice you should follow most closely. I think that’s totally true.

This was never a problem in the past ... as you said ... but "influencers" decided to market their brand with fluency to fool the average viewer which obviously made makes the average person mad... especially when the person is unable to communicate but markets themselves as 'fluent' so viewers became more savvy and critical as a result. These people got millions of views so, it's only natural that polyglots and people who understood (-ish lol) got mad.

i've seen a lot of people that pretend to speak my language but they actually don't

One of my life goals is to speak two foreign languages fluently. I'm hovering at around B2-C1 in Spanish and just started learning French a couple of weeks ago. I have never told someone that I am bilingual, and only have become comfortable very recently telling people "I can speak Spanish." Otherwise I feel like a scumbag.

By not playing the Best Polyglot Game, he has earned my respect as my new favorite polyglot. He doesn't brag, he is encouraging, and he stresses what is actually important in language learning.

To the questions in the type of "Can you discuss morality of roman law in X?" I say "Can you do that in your native language?". As for language level... Unless person misrepresents their level in bad faith, just be polite and constructive in your criticism

@bestrafung2754

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I've been learning Japanese for 7 years and still can't do that. I don't care either because I'm never gonna talk about stuff like nuclear power, physics, Roman law etc. I prefer to focus on things I will actually use.

@metaphoricdirigible1499

2 жыл бұрын

I consider myself functionally fluent in a language when I can express almost everything I do on a day to day basis from daily life to politics, philosophy, and subjects I know well. Not on the level of a philosophy professor maybe, but at least able to have the type of discussions I regularly have, and have the sufficient grammar to speak fluidly on complex topics even if I need to look up some specialized vocabulary first.

I saw a xioama video on him learning norwegian like in two weeks, thought "that so inspiring, now I have more believe in what I can do", tried to learn french in a month, failed astronomically and got discouraged for a while, then got deeper into languages and actual language learning, learned about how many hours you have to actually put in. Those videos are somewhat inspiring but very harmful, they set unrealistic goals on what you can achieve, they are technically fake natty gym influencers but in languages xd.

The best polyglot are the people "in the environment", as they have to deal with circumstances; such as Language 1 at home, Language 2 and 3 at school (national/official plus another one). Then, if the situation is (e.g.: war, poverty, personal reason, etc...), and this person migrate in a XXXX country, probably one more language is added. In any form, those people are never or barely heard in KZread.

“Lying” implies deception. Most KZread “polyglots” genuinely believe their own hype, so no- technically they aren’t lying. It’s just a stunning example of the Dunning-Krueger effect in action

@KyleMcMullan_Musician

2 жыл бұрын

That's a really big generalisation, and I can't imagine you have any way to verify this.

@Mia199603

2 жыл бұрын

@@KyleMcMullan_Musician Ockham's razor. Dunning-Krüger effect is found universally, across all populations, no person is immune to it - it's just how human brain works. It's more probable it is the reason behind these youtubers' actions than some elaborate plot to deceive the audience, concocted in minds of all of these pretend-polyglots separately from each other. There you go, there's your evidence.

@KyleMcMullan_Musician

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mia199603 That's an anecdote, not evidence. It's also entirely likely that these people are aware of the obvious fact that if you can successfully pretend to be better than you are, you, almost universily, get more money. I'm concerned that you've both had an idea and are so convinced that its true that you're willing to not only disagree with someone who has put a lot of thought into this (the guy who made the video), you're also willing to spread the information as fact to everyone, dispite the fact that, again, you have absolutely no way to know if its true. Coincidentally, that could also be attributed to the Dunning-Krueger effect.

@MM-fg4tw

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. If they have become fluent in one language, then they know exactly what it takes to become fluent in another and I think on a whole they are very aware of their skill level.

@jenm1

Жыл бұрын

Dunning Krueger isn't real

I know how to say “I love you” in roughly 10 languages. Am I a polyglot? 😂

@canchero724

2 жыл бұрын

No but you've expanded your dating pool to speakers of 10 languages .

It's interesting because one of those outlandish claim videos of "learning a language in 7 days" actually was the video that first got me motivated to learn a language and now I speak fluent Spanish. (I'm a native English speaker from Scotland)

@dunyahali8926

2 жыл бұрын

How long did it take you to get to that level in Spanish?

Surely criticism of one's language ability is entirely justified when said person purports to speak a language/languages at a much higher level than they actually do, and in some cases attempts to sell courses/advice based on their apparent language abilities? A quick way to overcome this would be to clearly state your ability level when/if making videos in multiple languages. These videos of "How X learnt to speak 20+ languages" are nonsense. More often than not the person only speaks a handful of those 20+ really well but goes along with the self congratulatory title knowing full well it will drive more views/subscribers/income.

Been ages since you first came up with this concept, thanks for putting all of the thought into it!

Unfortunately, I am under the age of 18: I cannot enter a bar, therefore I fail the pub test every time and speak zero languages.

Actually, I did "learn" Spanish in about 10 weeks myself. :-D OK, at the time I knew only very basic vocabulary and the present tense. But still, I managed to go from Madrid to Santiago on a bicycle, speaking Spanish (ok... barely :-) ) with virtually everybody who did not escape fast enough, and refusing to speak any other language (except for one Spanish guy in the middle of nowhere, with whom I spoke Russian :-D ). I knew my level was very basic, and was happy like hell with every phrase I understood or was able to say and be understood correctly - and that I managed to arrange my daily bread and nightly accommodation in the interior where English is not that much popular. Half a year later I went to Spain again. My capabilities somewhat grew by that time (not to discuss nuclear physics in the pub, of course), but my expectations grew even more. Consequently, I was really disappointed with the outcome albeit objectively speaking, my language level was significantly higher by that time. My learning from those trips was to manage your expectations properly. Expect less and be happy.

@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana

2 жыл бұрын

You don't actually need more than the present tense in any language. Just say (time phrase) before the rest or after. Stories won't work otherwise so every single language has this feature.

@janstozek4850

2 жыл бұрын

@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana indeed, missing vocabulary posed more of a problem at the time. And still does.

Lol the Pub Test is something that I could really get behind 🍻

Instead of making outlandish claims, make modest claims like "Learn to talk about your hobbies, family, and job in a couple of months" or "Learn to read and understand a simple story in a few months."

As for me, I am a native speaker of German, I have a C level in English, at least B2 (if not C1) in Spanish, B1 in French, B1 in Polish, A2 in Italian, A1 in Russian and I have good reading comprehension skills in Portuguese and Swedish. However, I never call myself a polyglot, because I don't want to have all the pressure on me... Whenever I am called a polyglot, I usually justg play it down by saying "I am just a language enthusiast, my language skills are still a little bit too mediocre, but I hope that I will eventually become a polyglot in the future" :) Whenever I say this, people still see me as a polyglot, because in most cases my language skills are still much better than theirs, but at least they think I am a modest one and not an arrogant prick :)

@RogerRamos1993

2 жыл бұрын

You sound like a fake modest.

@wingedhussar1117

2 жыл бұрын

@@RogerRamos1993 Hahaha, I saw that comment coming

@bocastannn2733

2 жыл бұрын

@@wingedhussar1117 theres a line that can be crossed when trying to be humble and you crossed it dude just accept you’re a polygot its not arrogant its true

@marikothecheetah9342

2 жыл бұрын

I need to brush up on my German. I can exchange for Polish convos :D

I felt that I needed it so much!!! First I listened to it in the podcast form and then I watched again the content and made some notes in my journal. Thank you so much for sharing some down to earth perspectives on this topic and helping me to free myself from those toxic youtubers who makes many people see themselves as failures.

Olly, faire cette vidéo était absolument la bonne chose à faire. Merci d'être si positif. Je suis heureux que tu aies abordé le sujet des vidéos "J'ai appris X langues en X jours/semaines". Elles sont nuisibles et décourageantes.

Guess how long it takes to learn a language....A Life Time ! It doesn't stop...You will always be learning new words...

@ThriftShopTunes

2 жыл бұрын

Very true! That's what I love about language learning, you never stop, it's like a garden that keeps growing so long as you keep taking care of it. I still learn new words in my native language!

@pourquoipas971

2 жыл бұрын

Yes even your native language!

@bensomes7662

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThriftShopTunes Yes! I agree so much, it's like a garden. Some people want to plant a tree for a long period of time and commit to it (like getting a language to C1 level or higher) and some people want to have lots of plants (like getting many languages to an A2 or B1 level). Either way, it takes dedication and care :)

@canchero724

2 жыл бұрын

You can even forget a language in a lifetime if you don't use it. Absolutely 100% agree with it being a lifelong process to even maintain the level you're at, let alone progress to an advanced level

@sonderexpeditions

2 жыл бұрын

True.

Thank you for the video! I really liked the way you explained these ideas. I especially liked your advice on "Find your why", because having a "try-to-impress-others" motive will not get you far in the long run. External motivation can give you a mood boost in the short term (I want to find a job using my language, for example), but internal motivation is huge - motives such as the love for the sound of the language, wanting to speak and connect with friends and family in the language, curiosity for the culture, or if you're a grammar nerd and you love the complex grammar of a language - these are great motives and will keep people persistent and driven in their learning, in my opinion. Thanks for the video and your advice in general!

My problem with people claiming to speak a language they only know a few sentence s in ,and then charging people to teach that language! That's definitely dishonest!😢😕

Consider this my attempt at having a gushing post about how much I love your channel and this video. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said here. Thanks!

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you!

People want them to be recognized as genius and so they just want to say they can learn everything in less time than everybody else

best answer to this drama … I unfollowed toxic “polyglots” criticizing other polyglots…

I am always deeply amazed by people who dare to strike up a conversation with people in another language regardless of their knowledge of grammar or their vocabulary, and watching people on KZread doing exactly this DOES INDEED INSPIRE! As I am learning EU Portuguese (with many sounds that are NOT in my native language), I found it hard to just go out and talk to people, but lo and behold, I have mustered up the courage after watching language videos, and I have managed to have some decent conversations (though sometimes with a lot of gestures haha)! For people on KZread learning languages, their videos are also a testament to their progress!

Duolingo speedruns are quite fun though!

Ahhh I was inspired by you !! I was learning German for 3 years but didn't love it. Now I'm learning Xhosa/ Zulu and I am obsessed by it ! I've learnt 200 words in 2 months and I know I'll keep going. . lots of love to you xxxxxxx

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

That's great!

If only more people followed that idea - caring more about what you're doing yourself than what someone else is doing! Great video Olly, thank you!

You are so wholesome--I've been soaking up your videos all week, not just for the good ideas but for the uplifting encouraging attitude!

Olly, I absolutely agree with you. I suppose that learning a language is about being and feeling positive in the process of learning from adapted audios, adapted books, with experienced teacher, learning a language shouldn't be something one may competing with others who is better. Motivation should be personal, but if it is referred to being better in the test then it is a external motive that won't last long Thank you for your valuable opinion it helped me to look at this polyglot topic as about personal process and being smart enough to not be fooled by outlandish claims, click bait which is everywhere nowadays.

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it useful

Woulter, the Dutch guy is the perfect example of a “”FAKE POLYGLOT””. If you watch his videos, he speaks 4 or 5 language with decent fluency but all the other ones, just memorizing few sentences and saying you learned from tourists and friends and divert every question to can we eat together is not the way pal. You aren’t a polyglot that way, you just know phrases in many languages and that’s no genius. That takes away from the real polyglots like Olly and Moses. Xiaoma does the same, he speaks fluent Chinese but remembering few words in a African language doesn’t make you a polyglot. I felt that I was the only one felling enraged by these fake polyglots but feels good to know there are a lot more of me. I personally speak 6 language fluently and plan on learning more.

@babunepali4408

2 жыл бұрын

@Ólaf Sigurðsson that’s true, but I meant in a sense that he could actually understands the “ how where what why” questions instead of woulter who just says whatever. You are right tho, except for Chinese and Cantonese he isn’t fluent in no other foreign language

@Foatizenknechtl

2 жыл бұрын

also had to think of woulter and a few others. You aren’t a polyglot that way, you just know phrases in many languages and that’s no genius your sentence describes it perfectly. there are so many people out there fluent in a few languages and calling themself fluent in like 12 languages... for me personally its really pissing me off, seeing people be like "oh i know sooo many languages" and then i hear them talk in my native language and I'm just short of vomiting out of my ears man. especially since many just repeat their sentences 2000 times and its always the same. they could speak a language for 20 minutes straight and i could sum the information up in like 20 seconds...

@anthonyp9591

2 жыл бұрын

@@Foatizenknechtl why does it piss you off what other people say and do...it has absolutely no bearing on your life what so ever, mind your business and live your life....

@thomasmurrell9394

2 жыл бұрын

@@kavinravichandran2931 His french was quite clean, a bit formal but easy to understand, and i'm sure he understand it pretty well. He spoke french with a lot of different kind of foreigners (moroccans, senegaleses, haitians...) he understood them and they understood him.

@MM-fg4tw

2 жыл бұрын

Wouter is completely open about the fact that he only speaks 5-6 languages fluently. The rest are only conversational level or beginner, he has explained that plenty times.

This is one the most mature videos on the subject, no mention of specific people or any name calling. 100% agree language learning is personal and I tend to be a bit secretive about about the languages I am learning, I started way before it was a thing on the internet in the 90’s with books and cd’s 💿 then I found this on the internet which I found to be very dramatic and toxic for no reason. I feel very awkward when people ask me why am I learning X, Y or Z language as if it’s any of their business. People learn languages for different reasons not always because it’s the 2nd or 3rd most spoken language in the world. Also some people seem to think that knowing a certain amount of languages makes them “superior”.

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

I totally agree on the way one can prove oneself that one is a multilingual. What I have learned over my languages learning years is that you don't need to take every single international exam to prove others that you understand and are able to use a language. In my country and in my town there are slim chances to go to a bar an meet a foreigner, but I read, listen a ton on songs and Netflix my brain a lot. The happiness experienced when no subs are needed or when I can talk back to a character is something that no one will take away from me. Thanks for voicing out reason and reality! Keep it up.

Great video Olly! Agree with many points! I like how positive you are! - Victor

I started learning Portuguese about a year ago, just out of pure interest in a third language (I'm a German native speaker) and simply because there was a lot of time available during the lockdowns in my country. My family and the majority of friends were immensely supportive about it, but some just shook their heads and called it a waste of time. Well ...... even though I consider myself far from being fluent, I have fallen in love with the language, have made many new good friends from Portugal and Brazil online and now I think it was one of the best decision I ever made in my entire life. I never thought that learning more languages was so much fun and enriched my life at a level I couldn't imagine before. All of this lead me to start with Spanish and Dutch as well in the meantime. I totally agree on your point of view here and don't understand all the criticism going on in the web about the fluency level of certain people. I think as long as you are honestly trying, you already deserve credit rather than criticism. You''re getting out of your comfort zone, try new things and this I think will be one of the major reasons why those people are bashing in the first place. I think they secretly are jealous, because it's something that can be scary at first, but can also broaden your intellectual horizon and can give you the possibility to connect with people, countries and cultures that you couldn't connect with before. They simply don't dare to take this step as well and therefore see the necessity to bash on those who dared to do it. This is just my own opinion of course.

I'm with you on this. I am a language learner who has been watching those kinds of videos lately and am now getting recommended these videos about them being frauds, or questions on whether they're lying. I think one relatable point on the negative you bring up is the question of "what am I doing wrong?" and I will admit that did pop up in my head when I saw one of these videos for my target language, though I knew more than the person in question, but I've spent nearly a year with it. But what stood out stronger for me was that they were able to hold conversations and understand people with only a basic understanding and I think that idea could and should promote the idea of using your language sooner. In hindsight, I kind of wish more of these videos weren't the clickbaiting "Wow this guy's a genius for learning a language so quick" but showing that actually, their level of language comprehension is achievable and that you don't need to be fluent to use a language and you don't have to special to learn them either. As I commented in another video on this topic, the clickbait title I think I'd prefer to see is, "Regular Guy Speaks Tagalog to local Philipine restaurant". But the content, it's often not so bad, especially if they're holding conversation and meeting new people using their target language, rather than just getting the "Wow you speak Korean! That's so awesome!" Though those reactions will be normal, but I like when there's a bit more substance than that. But the ones I think the interest me the most are those using lesser spoken languages, especially if it helps promote them. And I think some languages feel less accessible because you don't tend to see language resources for them, so if they can do it, then why not somebody else? I was surprised by the resources I found for learning Tuvan online and am learning it now. Not because of Polyglot KZreadrs mind you, as my interest predated me watching their videos

I bought your book before knowing your channel or having seen you. Thank you for your humility, sensible opinion and your helping us with books and videos. I totally agree with what you say in this video btw! 😄🙌🏼

the best athletes don't make the best coaches... so true

I am definitely in that silent majority that is inspired by all of these videos. I’m currently learning Portuguese and watching these videos just helps me know I’m not the only one out here trying to deeply learn another culture.

@skamarfire

Жыл бұрын

Fala irmão... como estão os estudos?

@anastasiaricardo_

Жыл бұрын

@@skamarfire Oie! Ta muito bom! Eu estive no Brasil por 4 meses, entao eu treinei muito!

This video is warm, positive, and encouraging! I'm Canadian, so I've had no choice but to learn bits of French since 1st grade, and I still cant watch a French movie without subtitles because it wasnt my priority language, but i could probably do the Pub Test (with a terrible accent lol). Right now, I'm focused on Spanish and Japanese, but I love learning random bits of other languages just for fun. When learning languages stops being fun for you, it's important to remind yourself why you want to learn it and that these things take time and effort. The internet has so much easy access to free sources and other language learners/fluent speakers. Now is a good a time as any to learn languages with passion!

I was initially hesitant to click but... Well, your clickbait got me! And I was surprised to find that this video brought exactly the nuance I wanted for this conversation, and I definitely will keep sending my students this way for great learning advice! Something I can add is that some of these KZread polyglot types might not be trying to learn a language for making videos. Their goals might be in conversation, or watching media, or literature. And that's fine! Good enough for me, if they're happy with thwir own progress.

I feel the friends not being as interested in languages as you so deeply. I live in the southern united states, and occasionally someone can say a few things in spanish, but there is never a real interest. I'm thirteen currently I've been learning Italian more seriously for over a year now, but I have known small bits my whole life. Italian is by far my best foreign language, the others not yet as advanced or serious, but i love it so much. Learning languages doesn't even feel like work because i love it. It's what I'm happy doing.

Polyglot is a very misunderstood word that brings some people discomfort. Originally it just means "person who speaks more than one language". It's from Greek, πολύς=many, much, and γλώσσα (γλώττα)=tongue, language.

Your opinions in this video is why do many, like myself, respect and appreciate you. Thank you for putting out a realistic and grounding perspective in the internet insanity.

Olly, what an excellent video! You are so brutally honest about what that appears to be true and in reality what it may not be. Everybody is trying to bring you on a Merry go round! Being a person of knowing a number of languages at various levels I will never call myself a polyglot or learning a language in a week, a month or even a year because I know how hard it is to acquire another language without time and effort! Unless, of course one is a gifted person for languages! Thank you for enlightening me. Keep up the great work!

Until I discovered you, Luca Lampariello, Lindie Botes, Steve Kauffman, Xiaoma and Matt vs Japan… I was reliant on the “I learnt x in y” videos which made me feel really shit about my progress. But 7 months later, I’m now happy with my Italian level (but I still have a lot to improve on)

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats!

@PetraStaal

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't make Xiaoma a couple of those "I learned X in Y" type of videos?

@cameronhubberstey6039

2 жыл бұрын

@@PetraStaal yes, but he never claimed to be fluent in the language used in those videos (as far as I’m aware). Plus, for the most part, he advises that if you want to learn a language well to fluency etc, you have to spend a LONG time

@JV-km9xk

2 жыл бұрын

I got inspired by Nathaniel Drew's I learned Italian in 7 Days. I was impressed and got motivated to learn and followed his advice. A year later, I found out that what he claimed wasn't completely true yet I still got the benefits. Sometimes those fake vids can help people too.

@JV-km9xk

2 жыл бұрын

Oh you're learning Italian too? How's your 7 months of progress?

If you are able to keep an everday conversation while: a) getting your point across b) not making the other person dumb-down the use of their native language c) not making the other person uncomfortable having to listen to you you are fluent.

Thank you so much, Olly Richards, this is so good and "healing" for any language learner!!! And you're right, the hating only happens here on youtube. While living and performing in Barcelona I decided to start communicating with my audiences in Catalan. All I got was love and appreciation, even though I was a total beginner and would sometimes search for words in real time, but this made me even connect more with the audience! So yes, thank you for creating this video!

If you don't mind me saying, the whole problem stems from the fact that you are ALL trying to make money out of it. There is not one of you who doesn't plug their own product. This will inevitably lead to people being dishonest.

Honestly, I love watching language learning videos…however, I am getting tired of the whole, “white guy shocks locals by speaking blah blah blah”. I wish they would share their process instead of choosing to constantly show off their “skills”. It’s getting old and no one cares

Seeing Lomb Kató's name here brought back childhood memories. :) As for the pub test, I usually speak more fluently after a beer or two :D

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. Every time 🤣

I could almost do the pub test. You will never know how much you just cheered me up. That means I am actually progressing with my German learning. I thought that I was struggling and failing. Edited to add that the claims to have have learnt a language in an extremely short amount of time are really hurtful and damaged my language confidence. Am not fluent after four years. I need to give myself credit for having learnt any despite a lack of resources.

I love your pub test and agree completely. I'm a language tutor and sometimes I talk about multilingualism with my students, and ask how many languages they speak. They often hesitate to include English in that, until I remind them that we've been having a conversation in English for half an hour, a real, off the cuff, completely unscripted conversation. It gives them a HUGE confidence boost.

Excellent video. A most excellent rule is 'What do you want from a language?'. I know people who learned just enough of the language to read the football headlines in the local sports papers. If that's the level you want, then go for it.

I learned French in 6 weeks because I was super motivated... I found myself time displaced to early 12th century France, and because I popped out of thin air wearing weird clothing I was accused of witch craft. I had to learn the language in order to defend myself and save my self from execution.

@ShadowValleys

2 жыл бұрын

lmao

I agree! I have been learning Spanish for over 50 years, and still learn something new almost every day. I studied Russian 8 hours a day for a year, and don't think I'd pass the pub test. Languages are hard, and anybody who says they learned one in 3 months... well, maybe, but mostly nah! Thank you for bringing this subject to light.

This by far is the best video. Speaking truth without bashing and speaking about language learning as the root.

Olly!!! Thank you for this video!!! You are defender and avenger of polyglot community

Best wishes to all of you wanting to be a polyglot, or just learning one new language! Remember that it takes a long time and hard work, so please don't give up just because you feel like you're not progressing fast enough. Even if you just learn one new word today, it's still one step closer to your goal! 🤗

@storylearning

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!

Wonderfully honest and refreshing comments Ollie. Thanks for brightening KZread. Totally agree on best speaker not always best educator.

Thank you so much!!! Actually,, i fluently speak 3 languages since childhood.. I perfectly understand a 4th language but not confident in speaking it.. and am in the process of learning a 5th language.. and this video just gave me the motivation and encouragement to keep going and learn more of it.. thank you so much..

I like that you are bringing attention to this content. I think a lot of polyglots on youtube memorize how to say certain things in a language and then pass it off as being able to speak the language. I will use an example. I am American and we border Mexico. Many people in the US have memorized how to say "¿Dónde está el baño?" but that does not make them Spanish speakers, and I think what we see on TikTok and youtube are people saying things like "Polyglot check! This is me speaking English, this is me speaking Italian, this is me speaking Farsi etc" but its all memorized, so IS it language learning if you don't actually UNDERSTAND what you are saying other than memorized how to say something. I hope that makes sense. Something else that bothers me is "WHITE GUY SURPRISES LAUNDROMAT WORKER BY SPEAKING PERFECT CANTONESE" Lol why do we only sensationalize white people speaking languages when many people of Asian descent speak 3-4 languages but we don't see sensationalized titles like that. I work with kids who speak 3-4 indigenous Maya languages at native proficiency but people are more impressed at white people repeating sentences... sorry for the rant and thanks for shedding this light.

There are a few reasons that this subject bothers me: people claiming to learn a language in an unrealistic amount of time or claiming to be a polyglot with no proof are essentially lying. That's annoying, but then they are typically making money off of lies. This is their business, and other businesses are not allowed to lie, so why are they? Further, if someone claims to be a polyglot and offers no proof, then I don't believe them. Period. I also don't think it's particularly helpful or healthy to be a polyglot. Most often that just means a person has learned a bunch of languages badly to a low conversational level. Why the fuck bother? "Jack of all trades, master of none" is an idiom that exists for a very good reason. I have much more respect for someone who learns one or a couple of languages to a truly deep and fluent level, and who exists in those cultures. Sure, that's my preference, but it's also the most healthy and reasonable attitude/approach to take. In my "radical" take, I believe that almost all language learning/resources should be free, so it especially bugs me when bad-language learners (polyglots) or fake language learners (the scammers) try to monetize or scam people. I believe that they should go to jail for fraud. I've been around the language-learning youtube community for many years now. Far too many content-creators are still not demonstrating their language skills or cultural life, and are just hawking their own materials or sponsorships/affiliate links. I dislike this immensely. I would love to see the rise of polyglots admitting the levels they speak at and showing their processes, and how they exist in those cultures. This would essentially put the kaboosh in the polyglot trend because then people would see how shallow the skills are there. I would also love to see the trend of authentic language learners putting their methods and actual skills out there, along with their cultural life. This would be the best model for language learners. They could see the variety of methods and styles, along with what reasonable and realistic progress and setbacks looks like. This would be the ideal future.

Thanks for putting this video out. I also don't like the way language learning and linguistics has become so pigeon-holed into whether we can achieve a certain number or score level on a test. I went to the Defense Language Institute for Modern Standard Arabic and even on my best day, I still couldn't score higher than a 2 on my listening DLPT. I hated the DLPT and over my 20 year career, I think the military testing method caused me to progressively loose passion in language learning for a while. It was doubly frustrating because my speaking ability (my ability to express myself and master the spoken grammar) was so much better than my listening. I saw a KZread polyglot go out into an Arab market and use Arabic in the stores. Even though his grammar wasn't totally great and he still would have a lot more to learn to really master the language, he did really good. He was able to communicate, he didn't get hung up too much on what he didn't know, and he probably spent a good 2 weeks or a month learning all the essential vocabulary and practicing before he made his video. As a lover of languages and an Arabic speaker myself, I admit his video was really impressive and I enjoyed watching him surprise and impress all the Arabs with his language skills.

What I think about most so called "polyglots" on KZread who speak X amount of languages: I think the videos they post, the narrative they show isn't really accurate. Often the protagonist learned 5 sentences in a foreign language, then says "I speak language X" and when encountering someone who also speaks it they control the narrative with what limited knowledge they have by non stop talking. To me this isn't really knowing or speaking a language, and just barely shows how well someone can learn a few sentences by heart and respond to the common responses