0:22 "the truth is somewhere in the middle" Ah yes, of course, it is. It wouldn't be a Hard2Hurt video if the answer wasn't "no, except for when it's yes".

@hard2hurt

4 жыл бұрын

#yougetme

@HeyouCrow

4 жыл бұрын

Yea., Just V% for all those 🤡 , *Trapping's useLess training.., for 😅😂😅.

@sullyb23511

3 жыл бұрын

That could be a tagline for this channel.

I'm a sanda fighter and kung fu practictioner, I've always uses some traditional techniques in the exact same way you've explained them and they've always worked. People should stop judging martial arts they didn't even studied, so great content man!

I’ve had similar findings when sparring, was surprised at how many wing chun traps I was able to pull off from training it, but unless you counterattack on the first bridge you make and are very aggressive with it, you will get herded around and of course picked apart, most wing chun people are obsessed with looking perfect and also don’t train with enough power, which destroys them. Ironic since the entire system is built for counters but no one uses them well, I also played around with the bong sao as a shell too, great stance similar to the philly shell. Also thank you for explaining the difference between gloves and bare knuckle, you can’t believe the hordes of people who tell me if you can’t do it with boxing gloves you can’t do it bare knuckle, and wing chun is all about wrist mobility, wild.

@dizdeck357

4 жыл бұрын

Not quite understanding how wing chun works, bud

@philiphartshorn

4 жыл бұрын

diz deck I won the first international wing chun tournament at the Shaolin temple in China and have full permission to teach it.

@melvernjoseph9028

4 жыл бұрын

@@philiphartshorn facts bro. It hurts to see people trash wing chun so much when it actually has some good techniques in it. Alot of the time people who learn wing chun just want to set up the perfect fight like u see in movies but pretty sure traditionally it would be used to find easier counters off parties.

@jakeschmidt6665

3 жыл бұрын

@@maxzhao8331 Have you ever done a pushup in a fight? The argument doesn't work. The forms are the baseline dance to build the technique and train your body. Bruce Lee first learned wing chun and it was evident anytime you saw him fight. I doubt anyone here would say he was trash without trolling of course.

@Angeal241

3 жыл бұрын

I may not be a “fighter” but I did start learning wing chun and started using its theoretical applications with some Muay Thai practical methods and when I goof around and spar with my friends I find myself doing loads better. But they are even more untrained then I am lol

It pisses me off when people say there's only one way to do things. Fighting is like Chess. Sure you don't want to use your queen to take a pawn but sometimes its a valid strategy.

@rabiesbiter5681

4 жыл бұрын

My understanding is that capturing a hanging pawn with your queen can be okay. Just don't leave your queen hanging afterwards! That can ruin your whole day. And don't capture a protected pawn with your queen or that'll ruin your whole entire week.

@brandonovich6063

4 жыл бұрын

@@rabiesbiter5681 he means a queen sacrifice situation, where you sac the queen for the pawn and gain an advantage, probably be for checkmate, or some kind of overwhelming advantage

@rabiesbiter5681

4 жыл бұрын

@@brandonovich6063 That's a good point! Thank you. I always find chess problems that call for deliberate queen sacrifice to be the hardest to solve.

@wittyjoker4631

4 жыл бұрын

The thing is it's very rare and usually the result of a scramble from a mistake.

@nubworthycigars6682

3 жыл бұрын

I think I get the analogy you’re trying to make, but I don’t think any chess match with players of a certain level of skill you’d see a queen take a pawn... the situations you would use this “move” would be to force specific movements from your opponents king, and probably to win.. in actual fighting, and I’m not the most personally experienced but from my own experiences and watching fights since the 90s, you can be decent and improve your skills at what your opponents might do; but there are no “guarantees”. You can’t say 100% if I do ‘x’ he’s in check mate (or knocked out, incapacitated, etc) you win. In chess you can absolutely, should be forcing your opponents to make specific moves to be successful. You try to do this as someone in a fight, or any intelligent endeavor, but you have to be open to surprise to be successful. If you know how the chess board works, and the mechanics of all the pieces... like I said I think I get the point you’re trying to make. Cheers.

Are you still buddies with Sergio? I'd love to see more videos with him when the world is back to normal

My dad and I were just sitting here watching and both said that those are some really nice gloves! The S5's

@hard2hurt

4 жыл бұрын

They do look good don't they?

@Philth_E

4 жыл бұрын

@@hard2hurt Absolutely!

@markant9534

4 жыл бұрын

@@hard2hurt They were nicer than the gloves they wore in Jack Johnson`s day, have you ever seen a Johnson fight on youtube? I think he ws parrying wrong like how you advised not to on this vid, despite him having a great rep for defense etc.

@adamzoubi96

4 жыл бұрын

You're dad sounds cool

@Philth_E

4 жыл бұрын

@C b Yikes! You sound like a disgruntled ex.

The Kung fu stuff has many interesting drills, but very few sifus try to teach or improve these movements and the aplications on real fight are almost lost. Such a shame. Great video Mr Mike

@danielhounshell2526

4 жыл бұрын

@Darth Yautja There are some full contact competitions for Kung Fu, such as Lei Tai. In my experience the people who train for that tend to be pretty good, well-rounded fighters. Trapping can be useful but you have to understand the context of it in order for it to be useful. It's basically to create an opening to counter, or to get some control in order to reposition, either to create an angle, or to attempt to take the opponent's back. Handfighting in boxing uses some very similar concepts, so I imagine that some of it likely seemed to be a bit redundant. Sparring is absolutely crucial to any martial art, but Kung Fu does it quite a lot more than people give it credit for. There are a lot of charlatans out there who use the name Kung Fu to make money, and never take part in sparring of any kind, but there's also an entire competitive community of really great fighters. It seems like you landed somewhere in the middle, where you had a legitimate instructor who just didn't care much about sparring until he saw how much his students were lagging behind.

@bertzerker747

4 жыл бұрын

There's definately two modes in fighting, open and closed hand techniques. Couldn't see any knife palm chop strikes but plenty of chance to close the opponents guard to make them. Economy of movement in close in encounters can be greatly improved with Wing Chun especially when there is nowhere left to move in your stance 🙏

@danplasma

3 жыл бұрын

Just feels like morons like you and this guy, and joe rogan who is a fake who I also had the distinct displeasure of working with, are all just a bunch of group think braus trying to discredit and dumb down martial arts Hard 2 hurt is easy to hurt, loves to stay in the pocket and bang, what a moron, stupidest and most harmful style and approach to the arts. Nice guy, bit of an idiot though

@bertzerker747

3 жыл бұрын

@@danplasma Yes, traps generally don't call for a bang. It's a mentality factor that gruels them to what is true. In life it's one big ride for survival 🙏

You nailed it. It can be very effective once in a while particularly as a surprise. If you go searching for a trap or try too many times, you’ll usually get tagged by a good boxer. I find it easier to trap guys who have a rigid high guard. George Foreman, back in the 70s, used to trap hands all of the time very effectively.

@StyleTime

4 жыл бұрын

For an MMA example, Jon Jones traps hands a lot and sometimes throws an elbow. Nearly knocked out Rashad Evans that way.

@LauGarSifu

4 жыл бұрын

Just check out Lomochenko

@bertzerker747

4 жыл бұрын

Sure, coming from below the elbows to raise them, it can bridge the whole upper body and let's you shift them whole in the direction you want them to return in. 🙏

3:24 "I can't just keep doing it forever" he says after he blocks and parries 12 punches

@hard2hurt

4 жыл бұрын

Lol keep in mind that is slow friendly and with him standing still and only Punching…

@moneyroute9809

4 жыл бұрын

LMFAOOOOOO

@d-fens5866

3 жыл бұрын

That’s why they call him Icy lol

That punch at 7:20 was actually pretty Wing Chun, lol

Hi Mike (i am still here! but i am just less active with the comments : P) this is very good topic! and as you say, the truth is between. traditionals like to blocking because they dont have big gloves as a shield and boxers/kickboxers have big gloves so they like to parry. when i moved from wingchun to boxing i had a hard time because i wanted to block all punches - it was not easy - and every time i finish training with red face after maaaany punches : P heh when i was training wing chun my trainer said that i can not do more than 3 block and after them i have to go forward... because if i am going to just blocking and go back then i creating "open door" for him to keep attacking me when he is going forward all the time so i have to break his rhythm. and most of the people like to do combos with 2-4 moves (like 1,1,2 lowkick etc) so i should do block-block and go forward (ofc is not easy to do it...and you need training for it - and this is sad part about WC schools that not so many have sparrings sooo this is why many wing chun guys are super suprice when they get beat up when they fight another style because they do only chisao or some drills in the distance where is not passible to get punch - then ofc you can feel like you are like IP Man in the movies when EVERYTHING is cool and noone can touch you - but the truth is difrent : D heh) . soo is as you said ... truth is somewhere between (sorry for my english - is still suck : P)

Trapping alone to win a fight is like satisfying a woman by showcasing your condom-purchasing skills: It's not gonna happen.

@chrischanshihyung3155

4 жыл бұрын

What about roberto duran? I would still consider it trapping.

@frodokhunt

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha fuck yes 😂

@DarkGhostHacker

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao.

@CrazeeFy

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel Cormier extends his hands alot

"they say they cant hear you" Nate at one half of a decibel: yeah whatever no hate i'm also quiet.

A similar tactic is used by many russian boxers like Lomachenko where the opponents guard is pulled down by the opposite hand to set up a punch.

The endless hand trapping drills you see in wing chun/kung fu are for skill development. You're not supposed fight that way. That's something that both kung fu dudes and non-kung fu dudes get wrong. Every parry or trap is an opportunity to hit back.

@goku546686

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah like the bong sao is for deflecting a punch to moving out of their center line but keep them in yours

Not only do you have to back up your trapping with striking/boxing, you also have to set it up properly. Good vid, Mike!

This is always my biggest complaint with boxing gloves because my trapping skills go out the window on the plus side it does make me work my movement more because half my defense just became null by the marshmallows on my hands

I feel like I see it a lot more in Muay Thai than MMA, but you’re right anytime I see it they’re never holding on for very long. It’s almost always to trap the wrists/hands and immediately pull them down so they can come over top with an elbow or to pull their opponent into a knee

Points fighters do that a lot slap the glove down and come right back with over hand or superman punch

Get Sergio back in here to show some of his Hand-trapping techniques. Great video, Mike.

Haha I think we all like the wing chun part at the end 😂 Go Ip Man get the bad guys woohoo 😜😉

I like the mash and the pressing offense strategy, just don't forget the reap 🙏 Nice usage of gate on the freestyle punches with boxing stance...

My old karate instructor used to do a thing where he'd suddenly charge in and trap/knock down your guard in a rolling kind of way that immediately transitioned into a flurry of head punches. It was pretty hard to deal with! He was also quite a big guy though, and I think this is a significant factor.

You can tell Mike is having more fun than usual while filming this video. 4:54

Top analysis 👍. I hope you get to experience some guys who use their Wing Chun well. There are many McDojos that teach very basic drills and concepts for years focusing too much on hand technique and not enough on body mechanics and pressure. Wing Chun is basically a dirty boxing style. When you make contact you need to use your structure to disrupt and unbalance your opponent and ideally strike at the same time if possible. Alan Orr and David Blackley are great pragmatic Wing Chun instructors/fighters worth looking up on KZread. Both are really skilled and humble guys to train with in person

The key to successful Wing Chun trapping is to move to the outside simultaneously, trap and strike at the same time, and use it to set up big hits like a double lap sao into a dbl eye gouge/headbutt or a tan sao into a finger jab. If you stay in the center like a lot of Wing Chun guys, you'll get overrun. Big reason why they got destroyed by the MMA guy. They stood in front and got wrecked by a physically stronger fighter.

Love the ol' skip-the-rock parry counter.

@hard2hurt

4 жыл бұрын

It's my favorite

This channel is awesome it covers everything and is one of the most realistic and accurate martial art channels in youtube.

Every time I go to look something up I can’t find any videos then you always pop up with the perfect vid I don’t know how you do it 😂

Hey, found your channel recently and love your videos. I am new to boxing and your videos about right stances and fighting really helped me. Big thumps up from slovakia 🇸🇰

Your channel just keeps getting better, as a former wing chunner, now judoka, I love videos like this that pressure test the art, because the classes never did.

I love the cross trapping, it's one of those things I've learned from Mike that really worked for me while sparring. But yes, you gotta' practice it, shadow box it, drill it, and fail it a few times. Woah, I know, too much work, right?

fantastic vid mate, bang on... what a lot of the mongaloids that teach things like Kung Fu, Wing Chun, and Karate dont seem to get into their dense skulls, is the idea of all of these open hand grab/parry things is that "proprioception" through touch, like you said about with the bare knuckle stuff, or checking punches. that's even what that karate "hiki-te" is, doesnt mean "hand on the hip, wind up power arm bullshit" it literally translates as "pulling hand". if you have a hold of somebody in any way, and can reposition yourself according to there's, that's a tenfold advantage due to that point of contact

Love from South Africa 💙

@apatheticsquid5658

4 жыл бұрын

Ayyyy

@renegado4173

4 жыл бұрын

Hey South Africa, how about I send you love from California... how do like that, huh!???

@joshuathomson8925

4 жыл бұрын

Awe muntu

I've been in wing chun for about ten years and I've heard this from masters, from multiple lineages and we trained it in mine Trap once maybe twice when closing distance, trap to break their guard, then strike. Grapple, whatever you have to do, you use it to get your attack in not to stop yourself getting attacked. Wing chun is made for offense. That's why silva failed with his jkd (that and only doing it a couple months) and why furgeson did well when he used a lap sao to break his oppenents guard and follow through with a strike

Dude - I need to get out there. I've got a lot of good trapping drills that actually work. Good video - a balanced approach to actual "handtraps"

Is Icy Mike one of the best kung fu master on youtube? Yes, yes he is :D

@hard2hurt

4 жыл бұрын

They need to go ahead and give me my rank

@RicoMnc

4 жыл бұрын

@@hard2hurt how bout' Ubber Nija Fu Master 3rd Class?

@williambrookings722

4 жыл бұрын

@@hard2hurt You don't get it do you? You give yourself your rank then set up your school as Great Grand Master Mike! Even better give yourself a Chinese name and buy a pair of silk PJs 😉

The big guy looks like a nice loyal friend

I spent a lot of time thiking about Wing Chun, and I came to the conclusion that all of it was built on forward pressure into the clinch. Every thing you do with your arms is a set up for stepping in with an elbow, and every thing you do with your legs is a low kick because it's the most efficient form of distance control and the only techniques that transfer into the clinch. It's all out or all in, there is no pocket for Wing Chin.

@adventuresandvacations4947

4 жыл бұрын

Close range techniques and forward pressure

@williambrookings722

4 жыл бұрын

@Cliven Longsight I agree the better you get the less important techniques and combos are. You just roll with what comes, find the gaps to strike and control the other person's centre of gravity/momentum

@bertzerker747

4 жыл бұрын

There an advantage that you dont need to be the first to engage. A deflection sets up your stance and the rest usually means they dont get another shot at you or atleast it might serve for a pinning trap 🙏 You can't assume that the strike isn't real, the more real it is the more advantage it can serve you to counteract it.

Good video keep up the good work

Nice one! What also works very well for me (with gloves), is checking a left hand/jab with the right and punching a left handed jab myself just at the same time.

Another thing I learned in Kung Fu I learned (specifically Shaolin) is the speed at which you “check” their hands. You kind of intuitively knew that, but you can’t rush in otherwise you get a different reaction than if you lightly tap in.

@hard2hurt

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah if you do it in a nonthreatening way it works better.

I have found that hand checks and traps etc. to come naturally in weapon sparring.

As a kung fu guy who made the switch to Muay Thai , I found it can work in very limited scenarios but as you said you must throw something back once you have a opportunity or have a plan and back it up . Love ya videos dude ! Keep it up you beast !

The truth is somewhere in the middle is the most accurate statement I've heard in a long time...

Kool vid^^ also forget gold stars kitty stickers is were it at^^👊

Ahahahahahha i farted at the same time and didn't notice Madox fart and was freaked out with the "Ughhhh" :D ahahahaha

Glad to see this (what should be) common sense being put out there.

Great video. When is the next podcast gonna be?

Nate lookin FRESH

I really incorporating wingchun with my other striking. My boxing coach was good at teaching wingchun and kali, and using mitts to combine wingchun trapping and boxing/kickboxing combinations. It did relatively well when I started using it in sparring. Granted it was with people a little less experience than me.

Nice shorts captain Dork!

The fist time I encountered hand parries is when my dad taught me a trick to use as a last resort kinda thing just to get the opportunity to open the other person up to strikes. I later came across wing chun and took some techniques from that (though I never actually learned wing chun).

I do hand trapping all the time. Where people mess up is that they plan on doing hand trapping. Fighting is all about target of opportunity. That’s why you don’t have only one bag of tricks. Even boxing has different strategies for that reason. Trapping is a VERY effective technique when the opportunity presents itself.

Love this. Insightful and funny as always. Quick question, Wing chun in the context of grappling? Something I've noticed/realised from like watching Ramsey Dewey is, a lot of the wing chun forms seem to make more sense in a context of grappling. Standing grappling defense to be precise. For example that classic "elbow block" though seems functional as a potential means of blocking seems to work better as building frame for if a big bully tries to get you in a clinch.

@perrenchan6600

4 жыл бұрын

@Serpentine Fire that's the thing. A lot of Chinese TMA have lost their original context and meaning due to the process of time and lack of writings. I speculate that the original context and application of Wing Chun is building frames and countering someone when they like grab you in a collar tie or they try to clinch up. I don't think Wing chun is about striking and parrying and all that modern interpretation. The issue is, I don't have a wrestling and grappling background to test my newest speculation. And every time I ask someone from the MMA community to try it, they just brush me off and tell me Wing Chun is BS xD

@AztecUnshaven

4 жыл бұрын

@@perrenchan6600 Food for thought... Dominick Izzo has a strong wrestling background and he says he always approached Wing Chun with a wrestling mindset and it's worked wonders for him.

@HeyouCrow

4 жыл бұрын

@@perrenchan6600 Correct ℹ️ concept re: TMA WingChun origin., Designed 🔧 specific for counters, by women being *restrained / dominated by oppresiVe indiviDuals., From original Shaolin forms., adapted *grappling included.

"YO DUDE CHILL" Lol XD

The hand you check PAK SAO with. Should go from his bridge where we check it, and that same hand should go to target.

I like this, your telling something that wing chun guys struggle with. We call it "chasing the hands" we're you are more worried about trying to catch the hands rather than hitting the guy! Also, it's in the form, when a block goes to the side then forward, you used it in this clip at 1:00. Also, standing and blocking with out punching is like saying, I'm going to stand and only use head movement, so thanks for the video, it's great

I've seen George Foreman trap hands and strike.

I never thought of that open hand style of “checking the hands” would work for a small person in boxing. Foreman’s old fights, well I guess they are all old now, but his fights from when he was young he did that open hand extended guard. It allowed him to destroy arguably one of the greatest heavyweight divisions since we’ve kept good enough records to really know this stuff. For big guys watch those fights for effective ways to use these techniques in competition... Foreman pulled out the old style a bit for the Moorer fight too.

Is grabbing their ears and burying your mouth into theirs an effective self defense maneuver?

Dumb question but is 5:16 legal or at least not taboo in boxing? I havent noticed any of our fighters blatantly do that in sparring sessions. The crosscheck move you did at 6:23 looks more acceptible tho, in boxing context

Mike doin that 52 Blocks!

4:35 « Just touch it just touch it » While reaching all the way to intercept and push. Good video though. About “just touching” the parries : You’re quite on point that in general, one shouldn’t move the hand much while parrying so as not to leave an opening. That being said I feel that there is one exception to this rule. You can reach/push far away (arm’s length even) if you do it to attack at the same time and while moving forward aggressively. For exemple, if the other guy (ortho vs ortho) throws a cross you can parry/stiff push his cross with your lead hand to your right and kinda stuff it across his body. (A lot easier if you parry deep near the elbow). If you do that while moving directly towards him or diagonally to the left, you’re messing his whole structure while leaving a big opening for you. I have a feeling that’s how the big wide blocks were used in many traditional martial arts, in a very aggressive manner. As soon as you touch/intercept the punch you move forward deeply with your block and stuff him/unbalance his structure.

Would you consider the long guard taught in muay thai as hand trapping cuz when i use the long guard i tend to use it to parry trap and control the vision of my opponent would love your opinions on it

Reminds me of people early on in sword fighting you gotta do a attack your control is never gonna be as good as you think it is .

Another thing gravelly overlooked is using complex traps or using a frontal assault when trapping. This system prides itself on more of a path of least resistance approach. As a wing chun practitioner for a few years, I've noticed a major issue with the system is the training methodology. At a certain point you have to make the system your own. And practitioners with open minds and a good level of ability use wing chun concepts with boxing or kickboxing techniques. Also. The Muk yan jong and form is the perfect example of this approach I just mentioned. Don't knock, my guy. Love the vids though.

i'm using 4:55 as my new notification alert

My USO. Your videos are a big help with a lot of questions just 1 question I got for if you ever see this is you know any instructors in New Zealand and if they are like you? Lol would love to join in on your classes .

It's definately in the middle. You never know if the guy's going to fully extend and you can't rely on predetermined moves like in chi sao. Mixing trapping with boxing (or whatever) is a better way to fight.

Trapping has application in Boxing Gloves,but it is best used in MMA Gloves or just straight up Bare Knuckle.

Push his elbow down and into his body when the distance and position is right. Massive advantage and a very useful skill in fights.

. wing chun is stay ahead of your opponents timing parts of it is in chi sau which is a drill chi gerk which is wing chun leg trapping and fast hands utilize all 4 of these and you stand a chance

I want a pair of those gray boxing gloves

I really like your mitts

I agree that the truth is somewhere in the middle. There are two other things that you could also explore: 1) Parry and attack at the same time. This is a very common technique in CMA. 2) Use combinations of parrying and attacking in a sequence of no more than three or four. These have to be varied and not just repeated. 3) Adding in circular attacks and attacks from different angles, usually with parts of the hand and arm not typically used in MMA. 4) I personally never use a straight arm to grab their hands. I use special weight training to make my parries strong enough to unbalance them, then attack them repeatedly and overwhelm them. 5) Parry their attack, then move to their side or behind them and transition into locks, chokes and throws. Most Wingchun guys never spar and thus can't use this stuff when they have to start from no-contact. Most Chinese styles have a lot of trapping. I would go as far as saying that if practitioners do not employ trapping that they are not doing Gongfu.

This guy is the real life White Goodman from Dodgeball

Also, if you grip wrist, you should pull across body. If they twist out, is perfect chance for you to hit face.

Next time on hard 2 hurt: Are Real Things even a real thing?

you can kind of do it in MMA gloves or barehanded if your fast but it's always a good idea to cover your face and chin and dodge. Always try to cut some kind of angle if you can

I found trapping useful also to create openings in the guard with opponents that are really defensive. Basically you just move out of the way the arm/hand and then hit. Is simple and many people doesn't know how to deal with that. I think a video about this could be interesting.

The best use I've had for trapping is in ten plus years as a bouncer, diffusing drunks in close quarters. I've done it. It works. I also cross train in a whole bunch of styles and realize W.C. isn't a complete system.

Haha a lot of the wing chun guys need to hear this, as im one myself i was always told 2sticks 1sound so if you are parrying blocking trapping you should be striking at the same time👊

Kung Fu guy here. One who wasn't fooled for a minute by Fake Mace. And this was honestly the absolute best Kung Fu demonstration I've seen on KZread. Seriously. If people want to do Kung Fu, that's fine, but they should learn to make it work. Otherwise all that's left is a bunch of stupid Maoist dancing. Seriously, if you want to learn hand trapping, be willing to get a couple dings and bruises. You were showing basic concepts every flavor of Kung Fu preaches to be effective, but which 90% of Kung Fu practitioners are too frugal to invest in a jar of Tiger Balm and put to the test. Thank you for showing people what it takes to really learn.

Hey, is not your dirty ”answering the phone” clinch a form of hand trapping?

Dominick Izzo (ex-cop, does Wing Chun) talked about finding a coach that teaches how to move forward while fighting, and about how some coaches don't teach their students the full style, to keep them from opening their own gym.

DC all about the hand trap. No matter how many shots he takes to the face

Thank you very much for your videos. Very informative and inspirational .

As usually, entertaining and informative :) all this hand trapping seems to work much better on the ground anyway, try it in the mount or from the guard ;)

Seems like the parry and hand traps need to setup the strikes.

No hammer fist after parring? Dont you like it?

Icey Mike, shout out. First of all I'm age 58, a martial arts "hobbyist". My last formal instruction was out of a home gym with an older instructor with 40 years Wing Chun training and teaching experience. He teaches modified W.C. concepts that deals with circular strikes unlike the traditional straight ahead W.C. Masters we've watched getting beaten downs on videos. *His trapping is the real deal BUT even he'll tell you that trapping usually works for just entries and stand up grappling, not a pit-patter of blocking of coming attacks. He has some training KZread videos at: wingchunkungfu4sd. Maybe I can get him to try and call in your broadcast. BEEN LOVING YOUR PODCAST!!! Thx!

Trapping is a paradox because some schools teach the patti-cake, completely forget about striking but espouse that you attack and defend the same time. 'Don't chase the hands' but the whole class is drills to flap your arms.

Yes, thank you, Mike. From my own personal experience, everything you said is 1000% true. Kung Fu was my first primary art and when I transitioned to Western style boxing, Judo, MT AND MMA I thought trapping was BS until I realized I was waiting for the opponent to come to me. When I realized as you demoed here that you can go to the opponent yourself and trap offensively the light bulb went off. You referred to it here as checking but the way I describe it is that instead of throwing a punch I am throwing a hand trap. And since they are effectively the same up until the very last second at the point of contact, practically nobody can tell when I am trapping and when I am hitting g allowing me to effectively mix it up. The only way this works, however, is exactly as you said -- you better have hands the opponent respects first.

You should try to get Burley from the 52blocks on here.

Try in inside elbow to someone’s forearm, doubt they’ll continue to hook. Just imagine how good it can happen to when your breaking arms

I've trained in the Kung Fu styles and I agreed with what you said. Cool video

Watch a old George foreman fight he hand checks a lot

so what about Sticky Hands/Chi Sao? I don't know how I feel about it. I like it as a low impact warmup for when I was starting up doing kung fu mostly because it was like a good mind/body thing. But, it gets awkward doing it too much with a grown man haha. Also, I think it can be good if like a kid is too shy to really grab or get in close with a sparring partner. It kind of feels like a mix between playing hothads and "indian" arm wrestling. What's your thoughts on it? some guys I know think it's a waste of time

handtrapping seems to be much more effective when your opponent is on the ground or has their back against the wall, because they have no where to go. Tyler casselman has a few videos where he's trying to apply some WC stuff in the guard, it seems pretty useful for handfighting.