Are Flash's Tank builds ACTUALLY Good?

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Flash (T) vs JaeDong (Z) on Apocalypse, Game 3.
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  • @calvinmayer1275
    @calvinmayer12758 күн бұрын

    When he said he misspoke before, I thought he was going to address having said "beating a horse with a dead stick".

  • @abstractdaddy1384

    @abstractdaddy1384

    8 күн бұрын

    Thought it was clear he meant to say it incorrectly, sort of putting extra emphasis on the sentiment.

  • @johnnyboy3563

    @johnnyboy3563

    8 күн бұрын

    Arty doesn't admit to English mistakes. He's been mispronouncing Dragoon and Zealot his whole life without apology.

  • @TheEpicProOfMinecraf
    @TheEpicProOfMinecraf8 күн бұрын

    It's interesting. Flash clearly has habits that are indicative of the best in the world. However, because he's out of practice, those habits aren't good for him. He can't play like the best in the world because he currently isn't, so that's getting in the way of some of the stronger elements of his play. Pinpoint losses mount while his macro is amazing. His strategy is fine enough considering his knowledge base, but it's not quite modern. It's really interesting to watch.

  • @marshallgarey2913
    @marshallgarey29138 күн бұрын

    I got spoiled. I don't see the typical spoiler blocker comment, so here's one.

  • @Imboz

    @Imboz

    8 күн бұрын

    Titanic sinks

  • @JayAshborne

    @JayAshborne

    8 күн бұрын

    I clicked to say thank you and also got spoiled. Snape kills Dumbledore

  • @Figgy20000

    @Figgy20000

    8 күн бұрын

    Flash beat Snow 4-0 the last time they played in ASL

  • @PLUSONE777

    @PLUSONE777

    5 күн бұрын

    Quit whining

  • @sleepypanda2723

    @sleepypanda2723

    5 күн бұрын

    You guide others to a treasure you cannot posess

  • @gippygames
    @gippygames8 күн бұрын

    Jaedong cut drones and had a razor-thin defense of 9 pressure mutas just to tech rush defilers by the 10.5 minute mark. He was down 10+ drones for most of the game but still managed to make it work. That was real impressive, he made it look easy. Defilers OP lmao

  • @Pandabrah_D

    @Pandabrah_D

    8 күн бұрын

    The duality of jaedong's playstyle lol, when it works it looks so clean, when it doesn't he looks like a complete amateur lmao

  • @Figgy20000
    @Figgy200008 күн бұрын

    This Flash fellow has a lot of potential. I think he could be a future Bonjwa with enough practice

  • @DustinKeiser

    @DustinKeiser

    8 күн бұрын

    Could be the new Slayer Boxer for all we know

  • @jordanbarney6153

    @jordanbarney6153

    8 күн бұрын

    🤣🤣

  • @loveboat

    @loveboat

    8 күн бұрын

    This is an actual comment made by someone who saw Flash in a very early tournament. People were laughing at him because Flash was pretty cheesy back then. Well they're not laughing now.

  • @Aikionen
    @Aikionen8 күн бұрын

    Flash would've won.

  • @JWar-
    @JWar-8 күн бұрын

    Why send out two battlecruisers alone to get easily killed? It would have been better to send the marine army as well to kill that base.

  • @Ziegfried82

    @Ziegfried82

    8 күн бұрын

    It's a common tactic for pro terran players, it rarely works but sometimes it does big damage. Flash did not play all that well this game compared to what I'm used to seeing..and the dong was firing on all cylinders killing every single vessel. Honestly the strongest BC play I've seen in ZvT is when the terran uses 3 BCs and hits with an eraser at the same time at a different base.

  • @Tufas
    @Tufas8 күн бұрын

    Jaedong vs Flash and Artosis casting? At this point all that is missing is a GOM Player to complete the nostalgia trip

  • @chongli297
    @chongli2978 күн бұрын

    That was soooooo one-sided! JD blocked literally everything Flash did. Read him like a book! That had to be such a painful moment when Flash moved out for his timing push and slammed straight into that dark swarm wall. After that all he did was roam, never actually threatened any of JD's bases!

  • @davdav1370
    @davdav13708 күн бұрын

    now it's 5 games in a row. hopefully next game it will be 8 games in a row and so on.

  • @jonathaniszorro
    @jonathaniszorro8 күн бұрын

    Loving the casts

  • @canag0d
    @canag0d8 күн бұрын

    You say “Flash” I say “how high”!

  • @christianveilleux6378

    @christianveilleux6378

    8 күн бұрын

    RATM bobby

  • @kenthknicket6500

    @kenthknicket6500

    8 күн бұрын

    fuck you i won't do what you tell me

  • @TotoTitus
    @TotoTitus8 күн бұрын

    hey Arty thank you for your hard work

  • @athanaseruisseau7784
    @athanaseruisseau77848 күн бұрын

    Thank you Artosis for your work !

  • @AuelReiuji
    @AuelReiuji4 күн бұрын

    Oh boy, five in a row... great stuff!

  • @Tootbook
    @Tootbook8 күн бұрын

    Good morning RT

  • @robertonarheim5527
    @robertonarheim55278 күн бұрын

    Mooooore flash + artosis! ❤

  • @AqoCyrale
    @AqoCyrale8 күн бұрын

    it's mindblowing that this game had only 17 minutes on the timer at the end considering how far the tech, upgrades, and unit counts got on both sides, both players played SO FAST. this is a speedrunner vs speedrunner battle. finally the jd vs flash we wanted to see. impressive

  • @Kenshiken
    @Kenshiken8 күн бұрын

    Hope more to come

  • @Pr1cco
    @Pr1cco8 күн бұрын

    Just in time !

  • @shownkumar3140
    @shownkumar31407 күн бұрын

    Love flash games as he evolves

  • @TheEternalHermit
    @TheEternalHermit8 күн бұрын

    Is flash's mech focus maybe related to wrist injury concerns?

  • @sachib
    @sachib8 күн бұрын

    Flash flash would've flash.

  • @Vognee
    @Vognee7 күн бұрын

    The Terrans should be called Zerg in this game: being able to leisurely sit in the easily defendable position, massing thing then just steamroll. Even though JD played balls to the wall and did it perfectly stretching thin, even sacrificing worker production, if Flash didn’t lose so much vessels Flash would’ve won or it would be much closer. Ridiculous.

  • @theSato

    @theSato

    Күн бұрын

    copium comment

  • @michaelbird9148
    @michaelbird91488 күн бұрын

    Cheering for JD!

  • @calebowman9782
    @calebowman97827 күн бұрын

    Arty: Domanding, meaning commanding and dominant only more efficient ;P

  • @oldscoolest
    @oldscoolest8 күн бұрын

    Flash’s tanks would have tanked

  • @vincentauronward347
    @vincentauronward3478 күн бұрын

    Once the muta count got reduced to 6 at 12:30, what stops terran from taking a third and fourth base simultaneously or building them at home ready to float over for when it's safe?

  • @reishiki8682

    @reishiki8682

    8 күн бұрын

    Means giving up map control since they have to protect the expansion from incoming harass while also defending your natural.

  • @ericheaton1795
    @ericheaton17957 күн бұрын

    I will watch all of the flash games. Moar plz

  • @kurt3429
    @kurt34297 күн бұрын

    🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 good shit!

  • @sagacity1071
    @sagacity10717 күн бұрын

    Still think the zerg that skips the muta dance makes your opponent waste loads of minerals on turrets

  • @monkeymoo87
    @monkeymoo87Күн бұрын

    Losing all 5 marines just destroyed flash’s map control which meant JD felt like no pressure all game lol

  • @mpckelly91
    @mpckelly918 күн бұрын

    The dong is just playing with his food

  • @musixvideox5704
    @musixvideox57048 күн бұрын

    I'm a simple man... I see Flash. I Click

  • @Kyle.CrazyFox
    @Kyle.CrazyFox7 күн бұрын

    Flash May the Best but there is lots of rust to clean up to be in good shape it looks like

  • @danieldaugaard403
    @danieldaugaard4037 күн бұрын

    I love both so much but if i had to Pick one to root for it has to be Jaedong

  • @MeteoImpact3374
    @MeteoImpact33748 күн бұрын

    So much greed with those vessels but man that last Zerg attack was just on its face so terrifying. WAY too much ultras running up, seriously just type GG.

  • @beauknows93
    @beauknows938 күн бұрын

    Never thought I could EVER say this but flash looked so sloppy losing the vessels and tanks so easily.

  • @swampybwoy
    @swampybwoy8 күн бұрын

    (Spoilers within) Obviously I couldn’t do any better, or even half as good, but as a regular spectator it felt like a very sloppy management of vessels and BC’s towards the end tipped the balance

  • @Vognee

    @Vognee

    7 күн бұрын

    Considering that it’s much easier to keep vessels alive than to kill those there wasn’t any balance to begin with: Terran has 7-8+ vessels on the field additionally to the standard for the time in a game ground army - Zerg loses.

  • @swampybwoy
    @swampybwoy8 күн бұрын

    One day this “flash” character might be as good as scan

  • @stevemattero1471
    @stevemattero14718 күн бұрын

    What a provocative title!

  • @pointlessmanatee
    @pointlessmanatee8 күн бұрын

    this the type of shit you like before watching

  • @drewwalbeck6006
    @drewwalbeck60068 күн бұрын

    Battlecruisers seem like even more of a meme than ultras were in early LOTV, I don't think I've ever seen them be useful at the pro level 🤔

  • @lexor24
    @lexor248 күн бұрын

    If the title of an article is a question the answer is no. RIP Flash tank build.

  • @blacklight4720
    @blacklight47208 күн бұрын

    I'm not sure if it's a lack of practice or wrist injury but Flash is no where near what he was before. I've seen better plays from some of the less known players on the channel.

  • @BenjaminGlatt

    @BenjaminGlatt

    8 күн бұрын

    Age is also a factor.

  • @Vognee

    @Vognee

    7 күн бұрын

    The only prominent mistake I could agree on is loosing to much vessels: Flash would have won or the game would be much closer is those vessels stayed alive longer

  • @GASHPAN
    @GASHPAN8 күн бұрын

    Snipe master. GGs

  • @phihoangle6642
    @phihoangle66428 күн бұрын

    hmm i wonder what jd gonna "demanding" flash 🤔

  • @ivarkreuger3098
    @ivarkreuger30987 күн бұрын

    Flash trying his old builds to understand for himself why they are not working anymore 😉

  • @Kyle-ho2bm
    @Kyle-ho2bm8 күн бұрын

    When players like this match on the ladder do they know at the time who the other person is?

  • @QQ-qz5ft

    @QQ-qz5ft

    7 күн бұрын

    Sometimes. They all talk, watch each others streams, know each other IRL. Maybe they don’t literally know, but sometimes the build order, the type of harass, etc might be indicative of a certain player. They’ve been teammates at certain points, or rivals. Game has been in full swing since ‘98, it’s a long time. Kind of like, if you and your family played chess but you couldn’t see your opponent, you could probably tell that this is your dad playing and this is your mom. They may be similar in skill level, but your dad plays super aggressive and your mom is more a generalist. You’ve been playing them for 20 years so you can just feel it. Sure your mom can throw an aggressive game in there, so you may be wrong. But, after playing each of them 10 times, you can guess who is who.

  • @dagadagad
    @dagadagad8 күн бұрын

    Terran has to push early with marine-medic. Late game, it is almost impossible to deal with the swarm.

  • @Vognee

    @Vognee

    7 күн бұрын

    I can go both ways: Late game it’s almost impossible to deal with the swarm of vessels

  • @FoumartGames

    @FoumartGames

    6 күн бұрын

    There is mid-game firebat push that beats the early darkswarm - let's see when it will be explored..

  • @dontcrydoomer4787
    @dontcrydoomer47878 күн бұрын

    FINAL FLASH

  • @Toastiaa
    @Toastiaa8 күн бұрын

    Flash games for the win

  • @andrerossel8394
    @andrerossel83948 күн бұрын

    Making BC instead of vessels was a capital mistake

  • @Winnetou17

    @Winnetou17

    8 күн бұрын

    Compared to making tanks instead of bio, that was only a cruiser mistake.

  • @theSato

    @theSato

    Күн бұрын

    @@Winnetou17 tanks can be good (it does give you an avenue to pressure a camping zerg under swarm ) but yeah, too many vessels lost, too little done with the tanks to justify the investment

  • @Winnetou17

    @Winnetou17

    Күн бұрын

    @@theSato I don't remember the game enough to say, what I tried to do was simply a joke in the same manner. He said BC being a capital mistake, and BCs are capital ships. As in, it was a capital mistake not because it was a very big mistake, but becase the BCs are capital-level. I couldn't find a rank that would be fitting for a science vessel, so I used a tank instead :D

  • @adammckay852
    @adammckay8528 күн бұрын

    More like "Flash-in-the-pan"

  • @johnnyboy3563
    @johnnyboy35638 күн бұрын

    Flash getting spanked.

  • @dontcrydoomer4787
    @dontcrydoomer47878 күн бұрын

    FLASH WILL CHANGE THE META

  • @AsmongoldvsArtosisclips
    @AsmongoldvsArtosisclips7 күн бұрын

    Rush said that this terran played bad and theres no way its Flash . Shows that flash is just starting to practice

  • @junkgum
    @junkgum8 күн бұрын

    Sock mirror burrow sir

  • @leaveleague3491
    @leaveleague34918 күн бұрын

    12:15 how did a unit die there lol

  • @cowboy7853

    @cowboy7853

    8 күн бұрын

    some of the siege tanks splash damage will actually go through dark swarm. its minimal, but its there.

  • @theSato

    @theSato

    Күн бұрын

    Dark Swarm blocks ranged attacks, but it only blocks the 'direct hit' part. The AoE portion of attacks (which is weaker than the direct hit for a siege tank or archon etc) will still hit. Burrowed Lurkers under Swarm VS. Tanks are a bit of a weird case in particular: Depending on the angle of attack between the Tank and Lurker-Under-Swarm , the tank splash could hit cleanly or it could miss ENTIRELY. It's just some StarCraft jank which I am 100% sure was not intended by the developers, but it's what we've got.

  • @cowboy7853

    @cowboy7853

    23 сағат бұрын

    @@theSato Better put than I, well done.

  • @6panix6
    @6panix68 күн бұрын

    SCALOUU KOUJJJJJJJJJJJ

  • @Fanelan053
    @Fanelan0537 күн бұрын

    Good game

  • @ezpz2680
    @ezpz26808 күн бұрын

    Flash wood of one

  • @lReb
    @lReb8 күн бұрын

    This is not Flash, I don't know who that was, but that wasn't anything like his style of play.

  • @tawsrutra6374

    @tawsrutra6374

    8 күн бұрын

    This is Flash. But hes rusty a bit.

  • @snaffu1

    @snaffu1

    8 күн бұрын

    The pros are all attesting that it is Flash, as well as referencing the hotkey layout on the replays, which is incredibly difficult to spoof.

  • @Winnetou17

    @Winnetou17

    8 күн бұрын

    His early greed was certainly like him. But throwing so many vessels... yeah, have me question a bit too.

  • @MARPSTE
    @MARPSTE8 күн бұрын

    On SaiyanKCM's channel he casted 7 games between Flash and Jaedong a few days ago. This game was among them if I remember correctly. Flash won the series 5-2. So although Flash is experimenting quite a bit and not in the greatest form, he's heading in the right direction.

  • @AdrianPedrosoSlow
    @AdrianPedrosoSlow8 күн бұрын

    Request: Cast just FlaSh games, cast FlaSh games only, forget about all games but those where FlaSh is playing. Thanks

  • @Winnetou17

    @Winnetou17

    8 күн бұрын

    Request: ignore this Adrian guy. Only cast worthwhile Flash games, not every single one. These soooo many players and games that are awesome, even without Flash in them.

  • @zacharyamnott9958
    @zacharyamnott99588 күн бұрын

    Artosis reads comments on the toilet. I make comments on the toilet. KZread is weird.

  • @SchemingGoldberg

    @SchemingGoldberg

    8 күн бұрын

    Toilet to toilet communication.

  • @Tungar111-mv2hw
    @Tungar111-mv2hw8 күн бұрын

    Jaedong vs Flash games are so good they basically ruin every other brood war game for me.

  • @RFKJrForPrez
    @RFKJrForPrez8 күн бұрын

    Flash's macro and late game is second to none

  • @StoicFlame
    @StoicFlame8 күн бұрын

    Artosis has been hype-ing Flash's comeback massively, like really a lot, and i believe that he is basically jinxing the hell out of Flash, which explains why he is losing 90% of the games since he came back.

  • @abstractdaddy1384

    @abstractdaddy1384

    8 күн бұрын

    Wow, you really put a lot of faith in the idea of jinxing. You know a more reasonable explanation is that he's rusty and getting back into shape. Also keep in mind that he's in the top 10 on the ladder which means he's actually winning most of his games.

  • @StoicFlame

    @StoicFlame

    8 күн бұрын

    @@abstractdaddy1384 top 10 on the ladder and in most of the match's that arty's uploaded of him he is not just losing, he is being schooled, even jaedong is destroying him and i dont know if you havent been watching closely, as of the last 7/8 years, jaedong became the worst ex-pro starcraft player in history, he just cant win against anyone....

  • @abstractdaddy1384

    @abstractdaddy1384

    8 күн бұрын

    @@StoicFlame Let's not forget you said Flash is losing because Artosis is jinxing him lol.

  • @StoicFlame

    @StoicFlame

    8 күн бұрын

    @@abstractdaddy1384 He could be, Artosis is the most famous commentator SC1 in the world, his word echo to every SC1 player on this planet, and with the way he made many announcements about Flash's return, its possible that Flash felt the pressure of being called: "THE GREATEST SC1 PLAYER IN HISTORY IS COMING BACK" numerous times.

  • @abstractdaddy1384

    @abstractdaddy1384

    8 күн бұрын

    @@StoicFlame The Korean's don't give a crap about Artosis. Also, everybody in the brood war scene is talking about Flash coming back. If you're just talking about "pressure" and "expectations" possibly having an effect on his gameplay, that's not "jinxing". Furthermore, to think that Flash's losses at this point in time is do to him feeling pressure is absurdly ridiculous. He's literally just playing games on the ladder and as far as he knows, nobody even knows it's him that they are playing. There's NO pressure other than just the normal pressure one feels when trying to win a ladder game. Once again, whatever "poor" play you think he has right now(didn't he beat jaedong in the previous 2 games?) is obviously explainable by the fact that he's getting back into shape again, and not because he's feeling pressure from people hyping him or "jinxes". I'm just saying, your original comment was silly.

  • @UCfjZmDYoZY3laj2mfiinm7gc
    @UCfjZmDYoZY3laj2mfiinm7gc7 күн бұрын

    :)

  • @Kaiya134
    @Kaiya1348 күн бұрын

    Flash

  • @StriKe_jk
    @StriKe_jk7 күн бұрын

    Flash would have won

  • @novitrix9671
    @novitrix96718 күн бұрын

    Spoilers This game made me so frustrated with Flashes army usage... no cover with wraits or goliaths for the vessals or the battlecruisers... no firebats for darkswarm... no scv's with army to repair ANYTHING or make forward bunkers to hold favorable chokes and highground... Not to say Im better as a player, just wanted a bit more counterplay than being a punching bag for zerg. Hate to see zerg get their cinematic satisfaction. 😢 😡

  • @N-qo6bz
    @N-qo6bz8 күн бұрын

    This isn't flash.

  • @justingagnier2871
    @justingagnier28718 күн бұрын

    He looks a little rusty. But flashes worst game ever still wouldn't be my best . He will get there

  • @tolearnandteach2595
    @tolearnandteach25958 күн бұрын

    Lol hella late, other casters covered the whole series

  • @bobby4tw
    @bobby4tw7 күн бұрын

    Overrated?

  • @burgesj7
    @burgesj78 күн бұрын

    Based on the last few days, Flash fuqn sucks

  • @czolgistta
    @czolgistta8 күн бұрын

    Zerg is just stupidly OP now.

  • @dagadagad

    @dagadagad

    8 күн бұрын

    Psionic storm kills zerg. Dark swarm kills terran. EMP kills protoss. Classical rock paper scissors.

  • @paulsantos5277

    @paulsantos5277

    8 күн бұрын

    Emp kills protoss, irradiate kills zerg, terran is the most op

  • @gippygames

    @gippygames

    8 күн бұрын

    @@dagadagad EMP doesn't kill P. EMP isn't even commonly used unless P goes arbiters. The reason T can go mass vessels in TvZ is because bio doesn't need much gas at all. In TvP mech is obviously used over bio due to Psi Storm, so all the gas goes towards extra factories, and tanks and goliaths.

  • @levonschaftin3676

    @levonschaftin3676

    8 күн бұрын

    now? the game hasn't changed

  • @Plasmax-jp6pm
    @Plasmax-jp6pm8 күн бұрын

    Gaaaaaaay

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