Agree warp talons needed adjustment but the other points nerfs were just overtuned in the wrong direction.

@6PlusPlusGaming

10 күн бұрын

Yep, I think that's a fair assessment! I can see at least some of them being re-adjusted before too long. That said, curious to see how CSM get on in Pariah as they still feel plenty strong to me! Tom

Havoc and raptor change was the only thing that seemed un warrented. Glad the term sorcerer escaped like a bandit though. Key piece in all my lists, especially deceptors and raiders

@6PlusPlusGaming

10 күн бұрын

Yep, I would agree with that! I think the surprises elsewhere were just a lighter touch on some strong factions, but in the main CSM can't have too many complaints outside of those units.

@Luftwaffle12

10 күн бұрын

Literally amazing throwing unsaveable wounds from Las Havocs. Chefs kiss watching redemptors/brutalis think they are safe to sit on a point turn 2.

Good chat!

@6PlusPlusGaming

10 күн бұрын

Thanks brian! Glad you enjoyed :D Tom

These nerfs on top of the MoP+Possessed brick just feels really bad. Liked going veterans for awhile but gotta run soulforge till havocs get a points drop

I want to be a outrider and say i think csm might actually go up in winrate now due to the lord / chaos lords and pariah (maybe its wishful thinking or hopefulness haha)

@6PlusPlusGaming

10 күн бұрын

It's not impossible at all -I know Ed F in our team is expecting that too. There is still plenty to discover with the book, so fingers crossed! I think they will remain a great army whatever happens. Tom.

The havoc and raptor nerve was a tad much. The rest seems fair. The only thing I am bitter about is the disco lord and hell drake staying untouched. They are unplayable since the start of 10th and especially the disco lord needs some love. Being a demon engine would be something to at least make him work in soulforge

@6PlusPlusGaming

9 күн бұрын

Yeah I love and own two of each of those and I'd love for them to be relevant again, especially Disco! Heldrake always managed to be a not broken flyer so they should be able to find a rules space for it!!

@hosewoscht

9 күн бұрын

@@6PlusPlusGaming it was quite broken in 6th maybe 7th but flyer where in general. Yea it bothers me that they either make them busted or useless there got to be a middle ground