I'll save y'all 9 minutes and 15 seconds: Yes, they are! And Jim Clyburn is the worst of them.

@paultrought267

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@emhu2594

2 жыл бұрын

No, Obama is the worst of them.

@cliffordmaxwell9802

2 жыл бұрын

AMEN to that! Obama and Clyburn dupped the Southern black voters into voting against their own best interests in the Primary effectively robbing the entire country of the opportunity to vote for real change with Bernie Sanders. To this day there is still no representation for the working class this issue in itself has a huge negative effect on all people of color the corruption filled legalized bribery money allowed into our politics has decimated the working class and continues to rule the day. Trickle down austerity economic nonsense will continue to provide the wealthy with full on Socialism until we remove the corruption filled legalized bribery money! Severe Inequality is inescapable under the current corrupt system, it is baked into the rigged for the wealthy system of bribes cake!

@billyconnelly3568

Жыл бұрын

Actually that's the wrong answer

@ynotlearn4190

6 ай бұрын

You should actually watch the interview.

The irony of Clyburn turning out to be one of our biggest setbacks to progress is something that I've had a really hard time dealing with. The way the establishment pretty much parades him out there as a civil rights icon as some kind of a shield against criticism, while he's actively being utilized as a roadblock to a better world is just *hardbody* enraging. It's even more dangerous when you factor in the American duopoly dynamic. Something that disingenuous grifters like Candace Owens benefit immensely from when being able to successfully recruit young Black kids into their ridiculous movements. When we're stuck with just dealing with two donor class puppet parties, and you think one is trash, most Americans are just naturally going to assume that the other one is the better option. Owens and people like her being able to successfully siphon off black support into an openly bigoted clown fascist party that the gop currently is, is just evil genius type isht. Keep in mind that when questioned on it, Candace couldn't even tell you what the Southern Strategy was.

@Projectheureka

2 жыл бұрын

Let's just say it like THIS: IF Adolph and Mussolini would have had your religious fanatically, ruthlessly GREEDY fascistic opportunistic BLACK Uncle Tom's ELITES and some ultra Zionist Jewish FRAT-boys as Steve Miller, Jared Kushner, James DaMore and Mark Zuckerberg on their brown shirted "Judeo Catholic" Fascist Nazis sides? The USA would have long ago, and not just now becoming one, been a German Xtian Nazis territory! And yes, Black sociopathic ultra religious conservatives are ALWAYS sell outs, THAT is in the nature of all fascistic Abraham's religions fascistic ELITES to be mere conspiring crooks, criminal cronies and predictable sale outs. Heck some of your BLACK family dynasties of wealthy Black preachers were even, knowingly, hiding under the KKK white and red hoods in those days helping the Klan erect an utmost deadly racist American THEOCRACY, just as the same mentally ill religious fanatic BLACK American elites are now in the swampy fascist bed with Trump Nazis! Religion extremism, in politics and in economy, make the most dumbest opportunists to mere useful henchmen of FASCISM; idiotic Black mental midget of religious terroristic billionaires, as Kanye, who then will be impoverished and ENSLAVED along with everyone anyways. And that is the utter amusing idiocies of the richest Black m--grels who sell out their own People into hyper Capitalistic slavery and all Democracy out in exchange for a feudal theocratic fascism and Christian Nazism. You uppity UBER religious conservative BLACK ELITES are amusing rightwing CRIMINAL twits, whom the hyper fascistic God-Mafia abuses as their useful henchmen, nothing more. Dumb uncle Tom's whom I would only publicly DESTROY and expose for what they are in any public debate, be it vs just one or all of them. Seriously, set just this one old Godless Alien to debate any of them, and you will get to experience the amusing Incesteous degenerated mindlessness / cognitive Re-ta--r--d-ation of all religious extreme Abraham's Religions' money-bags Elites on Earth. They are a dime a dozen of TRUE sociopathic inborn imbecility, be them ultra Christians, Islamic or Zionist elites! 😷🥱☺️🤗💋🥰 Godless Best, A.E. Projectheureka LLC;

@ynotlearn4190

6 ай бұрын

I fail to see the irony.

Yes. They sold us to the capitalist class lmao

I just realized that when Touré Reed says "the n-word," it gives a really deep sense of solidarity lmao

I immediately thought of Chris rock’s stand up special from 20 years ago. This universal distain for people on welfare or inside the welfare class. And racializing their poverty instead of identifying it correctly. (and now we have Dave Chapelle to deal with… And people try to tell me comedians are so smart). Kudos to both speakers for their work on these issues.

@brianmagee6595

2 жыл бұрын

What about Dave Chappelle?

@ynotlearn4190

6 ай бұрын

@@brianmagee6595he is a class enemy, that supports fascist like politicians.

Thank you for this. Where can I see the whole interview not cut up in pieces?

If an enslaved person "purchased" thier freedom could that be considered a "buy out?" During the time people were owned, traded and sold as chattel property. If a person owned by another person escaped to "freedom" does that make them free? Interesting concept and terminology. "Sell out." "One who has betrayed one's principles or an espoused cause." Is "Blackness" a cause? More like a condition to me. "...compromising of a person's integrity, morality, authenticity, or principles by forgoing the long-term benefits of the collective or group in exchange for personal gain, such as money or power." Add individual identity to the definition. The list of things compromised. Identity evolves relative to lifes experiences and conditions. What happens when the collective or group identity is a compromise. Founded upon a compromised, racialized non-authentic cultural identity.

Thank you.

I feel like this was more of an exercise in phrasing - tell me black Americans aren't a monolith without using the word monolith.

Answer to that question: YES

What qualifies a person as an elite, and classifies them as black?

Love love love these two.

They probably address the same last name at the beginning of the interview but are the two related?

@refoliation

2 жыл бұрын

Father and son 👍

@JB-kn2zh

2 жыл бұрын

@@refoliation thanks!

Why not post the full thing?

We need to get Prof Reed a mic ong.

Yes

Yes.

B1

I’m confused. Is this a conversation between father and son? Or just 2 people who think the same? What did they just say, really. No such thing as a sellout, I guess…

All of them - Every one of them - They are all guilty. - You Americans are something else! - Them They Those. - come on. Drink every time you hear someone say a Label!

@nikolademitri731

2 жыл бұрын

Huh? Your comment is confusing, speak *American* please!

That observation that Adolph mentions -to assume that there was an organic community in order to imply there are individuals breaking it- is exactly why the whole idea of "grifting" is terribly flawed, and it misses the appearance for reality.

What is the difference between Reed's claim that Booker T. Washington knew, what was best for the negro, and Marx's claim that he knew what is best for humanity? Who makes the greatest claim, and thus would be a better example of his argument? Does Marx's, or at least today's Marxist's and socialist's emphasis on the means of production, bypass the primary means of production - the individual? Isn't there a social economy, as well as the wealth centered economy? Is a significant part of the problem, the over emphasis on monetary capital, at the expense of the more important/fundamental social capital? Is not personal agency what makes production manifest? Where is the Left's appeal to the masses for that? The intellectuals on the Left, are ineffectual because of their overemphasis on theoretical analysis. Why 'intellectual' was not also added to 'Black political elites' in the synopsis of this video, is indicative of another problem. Whether they are sellouts, is certainly arguable, but that they are negligent and ineffectual as leaders, a strong case for that, certainly exist.

@neilmuir3503

2 жыл бұрын

marx didnt say that

@terrancewood9322

Жыл бұрын

Marx just made a scientific analysis of the laws of development of human society that anybody could have made.

Just pay reparations to ADOS, then each ADOS will have enough resources to stay or go. I’ve already left, but send me my check.

I'm curious about the younger Mr Reed's assertion that there is no unified black community interest in America. I'm sure he's not arguing that black Americans aren't persecuted or second-class citizens (unfortunately likely even worse), So how is resisting or overturning this paradigm not at least a single unitary interest? I mean, it's not a binary choice between resist or accomodation; fleeing and Balkanization is on the table I suppose. However, I would imagine that resistance and reversal is overwhelmingly popular enough to be a pole of unity, without agreeing on how.

@dacresni

2 жыл бұрын

also, even if there's no singular interest, the people who end up "speaking for us" tend to enable the idea of them speaking for us by not denying the Mic they're given! And then they end up saying nothing's wrong!

@felooosailing957

2 жыл бұрын

What he is implying is quite simply that class interest runs counter to that unity. It is really easy to think that every Black American wants racism to end, but how much do you want it? Will a millionaire American give up on his wealth just so racism ended? No. Will a poor black mother not take having the medicine to treat her sick son instead of ending racism? Yes. So racism is a problem that makes rich Americans not belong with the rest of the mostly white class where they do belong (keep in mind: as long as these people interact, racism has a tendency to disappear). And it is also a problem that makes Black American's life even harder than white working class Americans: but that's that.

@rule-of-three1483

2 жыл бұрын

@@felooosailing957 While I gather that was his argument, it doesn't convince me. How many by percentage of black Americans are benefitting from the existing paradigm? How many of those are willing to put class ahead of community? Is 70% agreement a consensus cause? I'm guessing more than 70% of black residents would want to reverse the systemic injustices. How small a group of affluent members will Mr. Reed acknowledge as being significant enough to derail that consensus?

@terrancewood9322

Жыл бұрын

What he means by that is that there is a bourgeoisie, a petite-bourgeoisie, and a proletariat, these three classes each have differing interests, leanings, and vaccillitations. The bourgeoisie (of all races) benefits from the super-exploitation of black workers because it creates more profits, lowers white workers wages through the reserve army of labor, and divides the working class making effective resistance against capitalist exploitation and oppression harder.

@terrancewood9322

Жыл бұрын

"I tend to think that a number of honest comrades were not able to take a correct stand in this struggle because of a failure to understand the class basis of petty bourgeois nationalism and the potential threat it posed to the Party. The view was then prevalent that narrow nationalism was only a "reflex", a subjective reaction to white chauvinism. To combat it, one need only to take up the fight against white chauvinism. This view is fundamentally incorrect, although chauvinism certainly does stimulate such tendencies. Narrow nationalism has its own social and economic base among the ghetto nationalists of the Black petty bourgeois and bourgeois strata. The nationalism of these sections reflects, in the main, the struggle of the small Black entrepreneur or the middle class professional whose market and sphere of activity is confined almost exclusively to the ghetto. Such strata find themselves in competition both with small and medium-sized white businesses in the Black community, as well as with the monopolists. The nationalism of these strata has two aspects, one expressing their aspirations for social equality and against Jim Crow, the other expressing the tendency to retain the segregated market. Thus their stand toward imperialism is continually vacillating. I think too many comrades tended to confuse the progressive national aspirations of Black people for liberation, with narrow nationalism as an ideology. I can now see in retrospect how well all this fit in with the growing attack on the Party's revolutionary line, which based itself on the fighting, principled unity of Black and white, and the leading role of the working class in the struggle for equality. As manifested within the party, the petty bourgeois nationalist deviation reflected a lack of faith in the working class and its communist vanguard. How, the pessimists wondered, could the "inherently" racist white working class ever be rallied to support the fight for Black liberation?... This position is actually one of retreat before the ideology of white chauvinism, equivalent to giving up to the white supremacist enemy." - Harry Haywood, Black Bolshevik, Pgs. 593-594

I'm annoyed by Toure Reed's politically correct use of the euphemism "n-word." By using the euphemism, he lessened the point of Rock's misguided class distinction.

Um aaaand ummm 🤔😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

have the dared to criticise white leftists agian.

jakbin the self apointed spokespeople of the working class funded by big coperates.

Jacobin coming close to Vice levels of cringe with these thumbnail titles

A good message but Adolph reed is a very bad speaker