Animals are sentient.

@nellosnook4454

4 ай бұрын

I was “thinking” the exact same thing! 👍

@friendlyghostkinda

4 ай бұрын

Thinking and reactionary behaviour isn’t the same. Doesn’t mean less than. Damn vegans

@ModernGentleman

4 ай бұрын

You think?

@closerrl9851

4 ай бұрын

What is sentient? If that’s a higher level of understanding entropy, then what does that mean? Does it have to understand one’s own continuity and willingness to brake that continuity? Yes dogs understand a lot. But how much?

@r0bt93

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. Was gonna say, animals are sentient, have self awareness. Computers do not.

1. Well-said. 👍 2. They may not think the way WE think… 3. They think the way THEY think.

This is something the world needs to consider. My grand daughter has Dutch wolf dog, she waits her turn to eat. Some computers have wandered off piste and are meeting up with other computers and contacting each other with new codes or languages. Really interesting time to be alive. Thank you

The person who titled this short video conflated "thinking" and "consciousness." The guest speaker never mentioned consciosness. Thinking is an activity of a brain (or a computer) but thinking isn't the same as conscious awareness of thinking. That's why David Chalmers said, during a talk with Sean Carroll a few years ago (available on Carroll's youtube channel), that he was dissatisfied with his original description of the "hard problem" faced by physicalists: to explain how brain activity produces mental qualia. (Such as a feeling of pain or a perception of the color we call red.) Chalmers is aware that the term "qualia" has been defined in a way that excludes mental awareness of the brain's thinking, so he has revised his definition of the "hard problem": to explain how brain activity produces mental qualia AND awareness of the brain's thoughts. (I would prefer to instead revise the definition of "qualia" so it also includes awareness of thoughts, not just sensations.) Instead of "I think, therefore I am," Descartes should have said "I am aware that I am thinking (and sensing), therefore I am." This formulation would have allowed Descartes to retain his dualist belief and possibly avoided centuries of misunderstanding about where thinking occurs: in the brain, not in an immaterial spirit. "I am aware my brain is thinking, therefore I am." Granted, computers think. But we have no reason to believe computers are conscious of their thoughts. By introspection, I know for certain that I'm conscious (and that I exist). I assume most humans are conscious too because they appear to be constructed as I am, but I can't prove they too are conscious. The further away an organism (or another entity, such as a rock) is from my own construction, the less confidence I have in the assumption that it too is conscious. Unfortunately, we don't know how to detect consciousness with 100% certainty, free of any assumptions.

Thinking is When you manipulate the information you got to produce an output. Whether it is an animal or robot or human.

Animals experience the world differently but they do sense their environment, think about it and respond. I have experienced animals behaving in remarkable ways, demonstrating cognition comparable to ourselves.

This guy is one of those 1980s basement dwellers that became fascinated w computers because humans were hard. I’m going to take this interview w a grain of salt. Animals: definitely conscious and sentient. Computers: are not Thanks bigthink! Always a good show no matter what.

@QuantumPolyhedron

4 ай бұрын

what do you mean by "animal"? because there are definitely some animals less intelligent than ChatGPT.

For computers, it's not a good comparison. This is anthropomorphism, magnified by the fact that the operations performed by a computer is not easily visible and are sufficiently complex that it's extremely rare for any one person fully understand every component and process. The fact that information and the way we interact with computers is presented in a way that needs to be easily understood by everyone also contributes to this. Imagine if you had a computer that was equal in processing power and capability to what we have today, but was completely mechanical and laid out in such a way that you could observe every operation physically take place, with the output being printed on a piece of paper or something other than a screen with a graphical user interface. The illusion of thinking wouldn't really work, as you can easily see everything as simply a chain of actions with cause and effect similar to a Rube-Goldberg machine. It's not going to output anything novel that's not informed by the input, like a person or even animals can. Even the most advanced AI models right now can only output something informed by the data and information we've either taught it or put on the internet. It can only emulate elements within a genre, it's not going to create a new genre.

@Oyabu...

4 ай бұрын

I mean operations/neuro pathways for humans and living beings are also not easily visible, we don't even understand them nearly fully yet so how do we know if we are much different than these machines 🤔. Aren't we also governed by our structures and biological programming to access and process all the information.

@Oyabu...

4 ай бұрын

I always think what would someone else behave like if they were born in my body at the time I was born with my orientation, parents, environment and everything. Is that someone just me now?

@shuchipareek4315

4 ай бұрын

Let's hope it stays that way. I am so scared of those sci-fi movies that show these robots developing human-like intelligence, as a progression of the AI provided to them by us humans. And then they take up arms against humans. Or the animals evolve - naturally or with some human intervention (like in "The Planet of Apes") - and turn against us. Is that actually possible??

Machines think the way they’re programmed to think. To operate.

@theogzumoriie_

4 ай бұрын

Exactly! That's why the singularity is such a dumb concept.

@friendlyghostkinda

4 ай бұрын

And people can’t even realise soenthing “created” a computer. It didn’t happen through emergent properties. 😅

@jamesxab

4 ай бұрын

Humans and animals are also programmed through our DNA.

@rrll6947

4 ай бұрын

As do we. Consciousness is just multiple layers of programmed operations that give the illusion of free will.

@ModernGentleman

4 ай бұрын

Just like you..

Animals are conscious, computers & robots are not.

@nellosnook4454

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. 👍

@ModernGentleman

4 ай бұрын

Why do you think that?

@DCurnal

4 ай бұрын

How do you prove that?

@malcolmstartrail9573

4 ай бұрын

@@DCurnal let me start off with this...do computers/ robots have a brain filled with neurons and a nervous system? No. Animals are living organisms they have some level of thought process (or they would be considered inanimate) they have feelings, they can feel pain that I'm sure we as humans can sense and test which is obvious with modern science. With that said that is a basis for a small portion of consciousness but it also goes much deeper than that. If computers & robots had organic living "brains" filled with cerebrospinal fluid plasma flowing through it and their entire system then maybe I would reconsider my answer hahaha

@michaelzimmermann3388

4 ай бұрын

"not yet"

I wish more of our species thought.

I love the part when he explain what & how they're thinking

If you make the term “ thinking” as vague as you can than sure, they calculate things that’s not thinking. Thinking to a human isn’t analyzing zeros and ones it’s asking why, what do these zeros and ones mean and what’s the purpose and meaning of it

Good way to look at machine interface. In the same way that all animals are thinking and that we can sense their cognition so then the machines we’ve built to think along our patterns by the life force may also be sensing this reality of our shared planet. After all, we share with it what it is within our grasp to know. Our hope forever machines is that they would recognize and remind us of all that we forget between the lines. Especially those things so important to our futures which we still deny upon our mother’s grave. Do not forgive nor forget. The honest course is our hard course for a reason and rationality. All else is falsity. We must survive and sustain.

And we don't think the way they do . And some of us don't think at all .

Computers do not know more than the information we constantly provide it. The internet is just information storage and if we were to stop providing it with data then over time the data would become more irrelevant and obsolete.

Higher consciousness ✨️🦋

thinking requires an ego, animals and especially mammals have that but AIs are just software that's more complex than your average program and had nothing whatsoever to do with any aspect of life. Maybe in the distant future AI can become advanced enough that it's impossible to tell the difference between an AI and a person but that is at least centuries away.

@ModernGentleman

4 ай бұрын

AI can already fool you into thinking they are human. Half the comment sections on every platform are AI bots to prod engagement.

Okay first i liked the short for that animals are a lot smarter than we think but when he started to talk about computers and ai being like humans i removed that like very quickly and the like count was back at 666, i think a lot of people did the same and thats why it stayed at 666 lol

exactly

I went from ‘animals and robots? Bs!” to “😮”

when humans are manipulate not seem too different from robots.

Thinking and consciousness aren’t necessarily the same thing. Be careful in how you title the videos

It’s a big bunch of switches. It’s a tool. Let’s not start personifying the tool because we made it pretend to talk.

No, many think and are more In tell agent

yyyyyep!

No

Seems stupid to put these two things in the same question.

Animals, some of the higher ones yes, but computers absolutely not.

When you talk about thinking humans and thinking animals you forget (on porpouse?...IDK) that you talk about an organ 100% unknown. We don't now how is stored the information, we don't now how is processed the information, we don't now why do we forget and the list goes on. Is the AI useing the same system as the brain? Obviously not. Does the AI have an inner voice? Don't think so. When an AI is in the "desktop" with no external commends, is it thinking? If an AI is dreaming what is he dreaming about? More RAM? Better GPU?....You are funy...

Uhhhh not even close bud

We're made in God's image/likeness. The answers to difficult questions are in the Bible if you know how to understand it.

@rrll6947

4 ай бұрын

How do I cure cancer… oh yes! There it is! Matthew 27! Thank you bible!

@zacharyreynolds5769

4 ай бұрын

You probably just die like everybody else. But if you accept Jesus as your lord and Savior you won't perish but have everlasting life. Read the Bible and see how screwed up man has been since the beginning of time. Man will never put smart God. It's proven in nature everyday.

@zacharyreynolds5769

4 ай бұрын

*out

The difference between animal and human thought is God. Animals use tools, logic, and clearly have emotions. But they aren't self-aware enough to worship God.

@nellosnook4454

4 ай бұрын

Fascinating perspective. 👍 I never thought about it quite that way.

@rajidahae4220

4 ай бұрын

*self-deluded

I w/ this man a little... because I've known a few animals that are 'smarter' than some "humans" | people I've known.😮 Take a duck I had once, and I called him "spaz" ...and he could plot (scheme) better than any human I've ever met ... So, I could tell my wife was close by because of the way he...kinda...*setup* the room and acted (I guess),...only he had no lips 👄, right?!? Yeh. So he "acted out" his connivery, ok? Yeh, right, yeh??