I'm pretty amazed I just watched 20 mins of guitar tuning...

@celticbattlepants

5 жыл бұрын

Like some local gigs I have been to.

@derpimusmaximus8815

5 жыл бұрын

@@celticbattlepantsLocal gigs where a guy has just bought his first Floyd Rose..... /wrists

@carlitoxb110

5 жыл бұрын

I'm used to 20 minutes tuning my damn cheap guitar 🙄

@celticbattlepants

5 жыл бұрын

@@derpimusmaximus8815 haha yes! And all the gain, and none of the mids

@aescleahs

5 жыл бұрын

@wahmsi I would...but it's not in tune ;)

For the first time ever, I can actually play everything Pete plays in the video.

@simonbland269

4 жыл бұрын

I hope they put out a tab for it......

@AndrewCCM

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha.

@catsmeow971

3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHHAHA. I can relate!

@Truckingby2002

2 жыл бұрын

Underrated

@planzed463

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂👌🏼

This reminds me of the old joke..........."A man with one watch always knows what time it is; a man with two is never sure"

@esl4058

3 жыл бұрын

lol brilliant

Top tip for tuning with pedal tuners. Use the neck pickup and roll the tone off. The signal will have less harmonics and you can tune more quickly. Don't forget to turn the tone up afterwards!

@sergutiov

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Preston my guitar doesn’t have a neck pickup nor a tone knob

@adrrob7106

4 жыл бұрын

@@sergutiov too bad for you

@superbford

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Same way I tune Steve....

@sparkyguitar0058

4 жыл бұрын

@@sergutiov Guess you can't tune up. Do you use a clip-on in that case then?

@sergutiov

4 жыл бұрын

sparkyguitar 00 i use a polytune 3 pedal haha 😂

It's a fact that if we tune so the E chord sounds perfect, the G chord does not and so on. That's why digital tuners are a good idea for most situations. It's because equal temperament (what tuners use) is based on dividing octaves into 12 equal steps, whereas our ears prefer the higher pitched strings to coincide with the harmonic overtones of the lower strings. And natural harmonics and overtones are close to but not exactly the same as, notes tuned to the nearest semitone.

@semikolon6440

5 жыл бұрын

Needs more upvotes! Wish it was mentioned here. Paul Davids did a great video on that subject

@mrbluez2898

5 жыл бұрын

absolutely true,

@shaft9000

5 жыл бұрын

It's that bloody B-string, which has to be somewhat sharp in relation to the 4 lower strings in order to modulate key. You can mitigate the open-G going sharp from fretting at fret1 with a zero-fret in place of a nut, but the major 3rd of the sharp B-string will still rear it's equal-tempered head. The stridency (sharpness) of the minor 3rd vs Just Intonation gives a guitar that ambiguity between major and minor that it exploits better than anything else; most easily heard in blues leads.

@DIDCHOI

5 жыл бұрын

Was about to comment this, but here it is. Glad the internet has some people that know about tuning

@campbelltron

5 жыл бұрын

+

This is the pedal board i need.

@theblindsniper

5 жыл бұрын

Then add a Miku at the end!

@krisberntzen

5 жыл бұрын

You could also try new strings once in a while 🤔

@davidkastin4240

5 жыл бұрын

Lofl 😆

@bluesound666

5 жыл бұрын

Great idea for pedalboard, each tuner for different pitch 😏

@commentfreely5443

5 жыл бұрын

if humans can only hear to 10 cents how can electronic tuners not be more specific?

Send a 440hz Sine wave through and see if all the tuners recognize it as "A"!

@zakofrx

5 жыл бұрын

I wonder how much the cheap ones they showed were correct compared to the least accurate by using a wide tolerance.

@Markle2k

5 жыл бұрын

They (the BOSSes) don't disagree on the A string, which is a whole number multiple/divisor of 440 hz (220 hz). Or on the Es and D, which is closest to an integer ratio in 12-tone Equal Temperament. It's with the B and G which are a whole tone off the octave. But those are the second-most consonant (relative to just intonation) intervals in 12-TET after the fifth and the fourth (E and D). It's like they aren't programmed with just quite the correct interval. The generic chip found in random cheap chinese tuners seems to be much better in this regard. They just let down in build quality or display.

@gortanek

4 жыл бұрын

Also tuner Apps are good to check.

@BibleStorm

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is a seriously badly designed experiment. The guitar is too variable. A 440Hz sin wave is not variable.

@chrisbobpete

4 жыл бұрын

@@BibleStorm Why would you care how a guitar tuner performs outside of the scope of a guitar? Unless you're planning on playing sine waves instead of guitars sometime soon this seems to get the point across. This is what tuning with these tuners is ACTUALLY like.

I do not regret spending over 19 minutes just on tuners. This is very important to me and I REALLY needed to know this. Guys, thank you very much!

Everytime I tune my guitars my wife says 'you always play the same song'

@charliepayne9248

5 жыл бұрын

Ha...! That made me chuckle, good one...

@fredfragniere

5 жыл бұрын

Ahaha true story

@petruccirocks02

5 жыл бұрын

Vitor Isaia My girlfriend says the same thing!! 😂

@eriknarez524

5 жыл бұрын

Why do you always play "Nothing Else Matters"?

@vitorisaia

5 жыл бұрын

@@eriknarez524 HAHAHA

There's a lifetime of guitar frustration on display here ......

@jayjayripoff

5 жыл бұрын

Oh yes, yes there is... I have always thought the same...

@commentfreely5443

5 жыл бұрын

hit E string hit whammy bar repeat for 1 hour

Tabs would be great!

Aren't you supposed to always tune "upwards"? That is even if the string is slightly sharp, you drop it flat and then increase tension until it's in tune?

@peecmkr45

5 жыл бұрын

understanding.

@jameshill2015

5 жыл бұрын

If this is NESSESARY..your strings are not moving freely through your nut most likely, or perhaps the angle from the nut to the tuning peg is too extreme to allow it to move freely because of the friction created from the angle in which case keeping that guitar tuned will always be an issue.. Epiphone Les Paul guitars have better tuning stability than Gibson Les Paul guitars for this very reason.. Check your nut the next time you change strings and drag the old string moderately through the nut groove of that string..it should slide through easily. If not use the string like a file and run it it back and forth on the nut groove for that string just once or twice being you dont want to cut the nut groove deeper, just enough to clear it. Factories typically do not do the lil things and this is a VERY common problem...you may need a proper nut file for strings not wound. Try a very small bit of lube in the groove. Good luck

@lyonsson6480

4 жыл бұрын

Not as big a deal with locking tuners as there is very little string wound around the post but for the most part yes.

@lyonsson6480

4 жыл бұрын

James Hill brings up a good point about friction at the nut, but a big deal is the amount of wraps around the tuning machines. Tuning down can cause them to slacken, then settle later. Since locking tuners don’t need all those wraps, tuning down isn’t such a big deal.

@tusharjamwal

4 жыл бұрын

This is mostly an issue of backlash in the worm wheel system. accurate worm wheel systems will not have this issue to a degree that you can feel it.

This video actually has made me feel better about my own struggles to keep my guitar in tune.

@JaniceLalla

4 жыл бұрын

Me, too!

I remember reading an interview, about 25 years ago, or so, with Alex Lifeson from Rush. The question of staying in tune came up, considering his choice of complex chords. He stated that, he always starts of with a tuner and chosing the neck pickup because it catches closest to the wider part of the string vibrating, and would tune the strings. He would then tune the guitar to itself. He would hold chords, and tune the chords. Using three or four different chords along the neck and tune to the guitars idiosyncrasies. Making sure he would tune first and sixth strings to the tuner if they went off. And tune the rest to the chords he liked to use. He would go back and forth between the chords until they sounded right. Ever since then, I use the same method, with great results. If you've been playing long enough you just naturally know how the chords are supposed to sound like. Give it a try.

@KidNato

5 жыл бұрын

I just tried it. Didn't work, I still don't sound anything like Alex Lifeson

@composerdave68

5 жыл бұрын

Tuning for what you are playing is a good idea on the guitar. If you are going to be playing a lot of open chords, tune for the best tuning in that position. if you are going to play higher chord forms up the neck, tune for that region. It is my understanding that this is what EVH does. He loves those chord shapes around the middle of the neck, especially those where the third is on the B string, so he tunes for those to be most in tune. He likes his third a little flat so he tunes the B a little flat.

@mr.banana4893

5 жыл бұрын

@@KidNato lol, neither do I, but I can still dream.

@Deebz270

4 жыл бұрын

For most of my playing over the past 30/40 years, I've tuned my ear, to tune to the root of whatever tune I was playing along too. Given that tuning stability was all over the place in some recordings, or even diliberately out (Page), this was the best way of getting in tune with the artist/recording. But this technique started when I was around six or seven, when I first started playing the recorder at school and for the following years up to 17 (on obtaining my first guitar), the recorder and occasionally the piano were my only instruments. I have always been able to play music by ear and of course to always know when someone/something was out of tune. My ears *had* perfect pitch, they still are pretty accurate, despite the years, but I learned to do the same as Alex as my competency grew. Now, I do use tuners (one clip-on and the onboard tuners of the Pod and TC-E processor... Which appears the most accurate and easier to use, for me..). But I still tune initially by ear and then cross-refer to one of the E-tuners, then I tune the guitar to open chords. This is a constant process often. And of course all guitars have differing tuning characteristics.

@doctersound9630

Жыл бұрын

He (Alex) needs to tune so much to adjust for “Using Gibsons” - #Gstring 🤣🤣🤣

An old trick is if you’re recording a song in E don’t tune the guitar EADGBE instead hold the E chord and tune each note of the chord. Anytime you tune you’re only tuning the note of that open string and the moment you press it down it will be a little out of tune because the amount of pressure you apply will be sightly different every time.

When my Boss tuner says I’m in tune, I test it against the rest of my band and could swear that it sounds a little flat. It drives me bonkers. At least I know now that it’s not just me. This was a very informative video :)

@elwrongo

2 жыл бұрын

make sure its set to 440khz. may need a reset

Ah, the constant battle of 12-tone even temperament vs the uniformly-fretted string instrument :) It'll never be perfect, sadly.

@orlock20

5 жыл бұрын

Pianos are purposely wrong, yet many singers learn to sing their notes using a piano which might not match any other instrument on the planet.

@MrGul

5 жыл бұрын

True Temperament frets are pretty damn close, though.

@bluejavelina5335

5 жыл бұрын

@@orlock20 barbershop quartets have no limits!! in-tune gods and shave and a hair cut

@orlock20

5 жыл бұрын

@@bluejavelina5335 They learn to harmonize with each other, but few use instruments when doing the performance.

@bluejavelina5335

5 жыл бұрын

@@orlock20 yeah thats what im saying , the guy doing the major 3rd of the chord can be 2 cents flat and it will sound better for it. and fifths sound better 2 cents sharp etc.. edit: "or girl"

I was given a tip a long time ago that when you tune your guitar you should hit the strings as hard as you normally play, that way the pitch is correct. It really does help

@CorrosionAudio

5 жыл бұрын

Also if you play heavier stuff where you're really chugging on the bottom strings a lot, turn the tone down and keep hitting the string as you tune. That way it'll be in tune all the time you're playing like you normally do.

@mikaso

5 жыл бұрын

Amen to that: "keep hitting the string as you tune"

@WillyPDX94

5 жыл бұрын

That's a good tip. For years I just lightly pecked at strings while tuning, then wondered why when I robustly strummed a chord it didn't sound right. So, like you, I learned to hit the string not hard, but with a firm stroke to get the best reading. Of course, when we're actually playing the guitar, we're not always striking the strings with the same force because we need dynamics in our playing.

@shaft9000

5 жыл бұрын

it depends on your string tension, too. A big advantage of heavier gauge is less going-sharp in the initial transient. Playing 9s and 10s - especially with a heavy hand - is always going to 'wonk' the pitch sharp by 5-15cents over the first 50-100milliseconds of the note. This is partly why the buzz feiten system only works with specific gauge and scale of guitar.

@FacePomagranate

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, guitar strings will get sharper as you hit harder, and they'll also go flat as they sustain. Also make sure that you have the guitar in playing position, rather than laying on a table, because gravity affects it too - probably wouldn't do that at a show, but I can see someone doing that after a string change.

Having used a lot of tuners over the years, from Peterson's to Boss and Korg etc., I've found that it's important to pick the strings when tuning the same way - (or close) - to the way you pick the strings when you're playing, otherwise you'll definitely be out of tune when you "attack" the strings while you're playing in a gig situation. Just my own personal experience, and most tuners are not "perfect".

I generally get the best results with any tuner that you are plugged into by rolling down the tone all the way and using the neck pickup and making sure to always tune UP to the correct pitch.. that way you are tightening the tension as you reach the pitch.

I appreciate that someone else has suffered along with me when the tuner says I'm good but something sounds off.

Actually more interesting that I expected. It would have been interesting to send a sine wave through at a known pitch to see how accurate they were before testing them on a guitar.

@NyneForte

5 жыл бұрын

That's a great idea

@psicopsiamusic

5 жыл бұрын

Turbo tuner, not shown here, is the most accurate...

@numanuma20

5 жыл бұрын

Nyne Forte yes.

@e.gamauf5686

4 жыл бұрын

Too logical. 🥴

@TimurIskhodzhanov

3 жыл бұрын

Define "known pitch". How do you know the quartz in your computer is accurate? :)

0:30 the symmetry, the perfection of that throw. Heavenly!

"It's interesting, isnt' it? No. It's the most boring video we've ever done but it's informative." Lol

one way you could compare different tuners would be to use a sine wave tone coming from a synth and see if the tuners register differently.

Me: I'm going to do something productive today. Also me: oh a 20 min video of people tuning a guitar

@squirelova1815

3 жыл бұрын

Why isn't that productive? I's IMPORTANT! You did good. Real good.

@catsmeow971

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

2:22 Boss TU 3:43 Korg Pitchblack 4:37 Boss TU-3 5:05 Cheap pedal 5:45 TC Electronic Polytune 7:53 Peterson 8:32 TC Electronics Polytune Mini

@user-bz2uw2wf3v

Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! The Fender tuner could have been a nice addition to the episode, a popular tuning pedal. Also, the Artec Big Dots.

I’m an audio engineer and in the recording studio we use Peterson strobe units almost exclusively. Every band that comes in gets a recommendation for our favorite guitar tech to intonate their guitars, and a little lesson on using the strobe tuner! Peterson has a phone app that’s also amazing. They are tougher to use playing live though

@chipsterb4946

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ve been going back and forth between the Peterson Strobo Stomp, Turbo Tuner ST 300, and the Peterson “strap-on” tuner as the Captain would call it. If the phone app works well, I’ll get the clip on. I have an old, huge VT-2 that provides a sweetened temperament for guitar that sound much better to my ears than equal temperament. Peterson has different temperaments for electric, acoustic, 12 string ... something like 50 custom tunings.

@canadiancombatwombatthe3rd782

Жыл бұрын

Their end result is so much nicer though, worth dialing your guitars in with them.

Actually laughed out loud at the more tuna than a sushi place joke.

@RARenfield

5 жыл бұрын

He made this video just to use that line.

Clearly these tuners are made out of different tonewoods...:p

@Darm0k

5 жыл бұрын

Tunewoods.

@philswhite1

5 жыл бұрын

Extra points for that

@nitegoat1369

5 жыл бұрын

Clearly these tuners are all made by Gibson; which is why they will not tune a guitar.

@christurner2398

5 жыл бұрын

@@nitegoat1369 Tune authentic.

@lostandalone3096

4 жыл бұрын

But the best ones are made of Richlite.

You guys even managed to make a tuner episode enjoyable. God, I love this channel. 😂

I have the older boss tu-2 and in my experience the best results are when you tune fast and pick several times so you tune the attack of the note since it's always the sharpest of the whole note. :)

@elwrongo

2 жыл бұрын

I found the TU2 slow to wake up and slow to tune. TU3 much faster

I would be very interested in seeing another video where you take multiples of the same tuner and compare them to see if they all match.

@joguipo

5 жыл бұрын

Neck... I was just thinking the exact same thing. Cheers！

@davidluna3209

5 жыл бұрын

Same here.

@ASJerrell

4 жыл бұрын

Neck these tuners being digital, the differences would be incredibly low if not nonexistent. Ones with a minimal display wouldn’t even show it. Analog tuners would be a different story! But those can be calibrated.

This would have been a perfect opportunity to bring in a true temperament guitar!

every drummer's favorite jam

@AngryYouAre

3 жыл бұрын

underrated comment

Important: if you play while standing, tune while standing, because the pressure on the neck of the strap changes the tuning

@Uygkuyfkutfkytfkutfv

3 ай бұрын

Thanks Joni Mitchell, but I think the majority of us are on electric.

"Are Human Ears More Accurate?" Years of playing and listening to bands live seem to be pretty strong evidence of "No". ;-)

@shaft9000

5 жыл бұрын

Train your ear with unaccompanied vocal practice for a year or so and that answer will change. In fact the human voice is typically the only instrument that CAN be in perfect tune in any key. Check out some doo-wop or a capella jazz for real-world examples of this.

@madcockney

5 жыл бұрын

Years gone by when piano tuners were human beings, many were blind as they had really good ears, They would tune to a note, and then play chords, etc and adjust accordingly so it sounded right.

@ktfjulien

5 жыл бұрын

@@madcockney Just because they existed doesn't mean they were better than electronic tuners

@madcockney

5 жыл бұрын

@@ktfjulien I didn't say that the human piano tuners were better.

Thank you Pete and Captain. It was actually very informative.

I once tried a clip on tuner on bass at a show. Needless to say I had to walk out of the club into the alley to tune before the show. The music over the PA made it impossible. Last time I did that. I then took that headstock tuner and mounted it to an unused spot on my bass controls and direct mounted it there with the wires directly wired to the output. Worked awesome.

Enjoyed this and well worth the time. NOT boring - quite funny and entertaining. Thank you. It also underscores what live band guitarists have to put up with on stage. Factor in fast moving song sets, time constraints, temperature fluctuations, weather etc., and it’s a true marvel that anyone sounds right. Guitars are living breathing instruments.consisting of organic materials. Naturally, it is a going to present a serious challenge. Cheers.

Actually all tuners have slight differences which is coming from the tolerances of the components in their circuit. Which is why in the studio you want to have all the instruments tuned through the same tuner.

@OverMotoren

5 жыл бұрын

If they were mechanical then I would agree. However, they're digital.... so I'm having a hard time.

@hukl3945

5 жыл бұрын

@@OverMotoren Well digital works based off analog components. Clocks for example are varying a lot between computers - set up 3 computers without internet access and observe their clocks for an hour - they will drift significantly. The frequency in a computer comes from a quartz crystal and they have huge tolerances - up to 30% are not rare. There are similar principals for "generating" the reference pitch. If it was all digital then the tuners would have to sample / digitize your input signal, for which you'd need a precise clock, which tuners most likely won't have. Even if you ignore all that. Different tuners come with different accuracy some are 0.1 cents some are 0.01 cents or even more these days. So you are guaranteed to get different results from tuners with different accuracy - if you want to know why they have different accuracy you can follow up my explanations with some research of your own into computers, clocks and such :) Enjoy!

@OverMotoren

5 жыл бұрын

Love it. I'm not gonna argue a single bit.

@vechap

5 жыл бұрын

@@hukl3945 That's why you synch computer time to NIST!

@brianrichardson5310

5 жыл бұрын

hukl, NO! Try 30ppm for a bog standard crystal. That's 0.003%. 30% is 18 minutes per hour. Is your computer really that crap? 0.003% is, I expect, inaudible to humans, so I doubt the tolerances in a digital tuner are audible.

Best thing you've done in ages - genuinely interesting!

The playing is absolutely on point in this!

You are a great team together. This was again a very interesting and enlightening video. Thank you.

"Daddy, please make it stop!" "Shh son I'm watching this Anderton's video"

0:45 - I solved that problem years ago: both me and the other guitarist in my band tune our guitars with the same tuner. : )

This is a great video. I agree with Pete. It didn't really sound in tune until after the using the Polytune. Then the E chord sounded in tune. Thanks guys!

I've been waiting my whole life for this!

Since a lot of us have switched to Kemper, Helix, etc. You guys should do an episode comparing the Kemper tuner vs Helix Tuner vs. Axe Fx, etc. Would be interested to see the results.

I think you've accidentally stumbled upon the horrific imperfect art that is intonation!

I've got blurry vision and play outdoors during daytime on occasion. I've been through several. I presently have the Korg custom shop tuner pedal with the green and blue 3D display. I can see the bugger! In daylight, at dark, from across the room at angles. I'm hooked on it. Accuracy seems perfect, even with the band.

Cool vid guys. I was shocked how good the stag and clip ins were good. Love the black tuner also

Great video, very useful for me, I was looking for reviews about the subject

James Taylor does a series on tunings. He moves string tuning up or down a few cent.

@TheSammyreynolds

5 жыл бұрын

that only works for capos

@marcobeltran7218

5 жыл бұрын

Paul Morini His tuning “preset” is included in the Peterson tuner as a sweetened tuning simply known as “ACU” as in acoustic. I love my Peterson stroboclip.

I just learned that a super tight strap-on will improve your pitch. Thank you Andertons UK 🇬🇧.

Korg Pitchblack is one of the best pedal tuners I've used. I just recommend if playing in a band everyone use the same brand and make. Edit: The mentioned that right after i posted this.

The Polytune has a strobe mode as well that's more accurate than the normal mode.

@Benke01

5 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed. I think if you want to be in tune use a tuner with a strobe! Captains, can't you do a strobe test to see which strobe tuner is the best? Or if they differ much. :)

@MattCorkum

4 ай бұрын

And yet even in the regular mode, it was better than both the Boss ones! Haha.

The flaws of equal temperament tuning on display right here

You need to tune the guitar through each string at least 2-3 times. The reason is because the neck has a little bit of flex in it. As you tune each string, the others are affected ever so slightly. The pitch eventually converges to a tuned state for all strings. This isn't an issue with the tuner, it's the guitar. Some guitars have this effect more than others depending on the hardness of the wood, length of the neck, construction quality, etc.

@PANICBLADE

2 жыл бұрын

Completely correct, even more so with whammy bridges because the springs have to find equilibrium as well. Also depends on the kind/tension of strings.

I agree 100% - I eventually ended up buying matching tuners for everybody in all of the bands I was in most recently. Four different 4 member bands each ended up making m wallet lighter - but my ears thanked me!

I lost it at "strap-on tuner" ... filthy Captain 🤣

Neighbors complain about my playing, wait 'til I blast this video on my speakers

I’m shopping for a tuner, and this video is perfect. Thanks for posting!

When recording tracks with guitars and bass, everyone knows to tune up with the SAME tuner before you roll tape. Excellent video...very educational.

I stuck an Earvana nut on one of my guitars and hearing the open E and A chords being in tune is incredible. You get so used to the slight dissonance that hearing the chord without it is very surprising.

@thedevilsadvocate5210

4 жыл бұрын

Lead us all to Earvana™

I would love to see how the Gibson robo tuners that everyone hated would compare to these

@TheIgisas

5 жыл бұрын

Same

@davedavem

5 жыл бұрын

More authentic tuning.

@TheIgisas

5 жыл бұрын

@@davedavem how authentic?

@stanislavmigra

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheIgisas play authentic :D :D :D

@TheIgisas

5 жыл бұрын

@@stanislavmigra shush

A guitar tech I know who has toured with a lot of pro star players always tells me (like a few below have already said) use the neck pick up with the tone rolled all the way back to get a "smoother" tone as possible. However, he then advises to tune the strings in this order (for Std Tuning of course) - G - D - B - A - High E - Low E - or as he calls it the 3,4,2,5,1,6 method You'll find the guitar should work better (can never be perfect) wherever you play on the neck. This method works particularly well with Floyd Rose style locking trems too. *** NB *** Little extra tip for those using a Floyd Rose in a live setting and need to tune quickly if just one string is out (thus avoiding sending all other strings out and stopping the gig for 20 mins lol) and that is using the "chart" above find the string's "pair" i.e. G is paired with D and B is paired with A leaving the two E's paired. So, say your tuner shows your B string is sharp by 10 cents instead of using the fine tuner on the B string itself simply detune the A string by 10 cents! Same if say the G is flat then sharpen the D by the same amount its off pitch. By doing this it negates the necessity of re-tuning the whole guitar but makes you be in tune again - as I say very useful if playing live of course. It takes a bit of practice to get used to it and be confident but if I ever gig with a Floyd Rose (which is most gigs tbh) then this method really does work!

Some tuners are just more sensitive. A sensitive tuner can start to pick up the wave too much and never settle but it can also be very useful to fine nuances in your guitar.

May have been stated already but you could have grabbed a Boss ES-8 off the shelf and ran all of these tuners in loops and compared simultaneously. One output could have routed to an amp so we could hear Pete’s chords.

The Peterson clip on tuners have a "Sweetened Tunings" settings based on the instrument, it will slightly tune up or down per string to compensate for temperament. I love mine.

Even way back In 1980 our band would all tune to just one tuner even though we had our own tuners since it gave the best results. Seems from you video that might still be the best solution.

I got korg pitchblack poly and it is wonderful. Giant screen, instant response, good precision and first of all polytuning which settled deal for me. TC polytune does the same, but with smaller screen and bigger price.

@BagusWibisono

3 жыл бұрын

How about in outdoors situation? (korg)

@rgr4929

3 жыл бұрын

@@BagusWibisono yeah, the Polytune 3 (only the big) has this automatic brightness adjustement that made me buy it.

@joelonsdale

2 жыл бұрын

@@BagusWibisono Avoid Pitchblack for outdoor visibility! Hopeless....

I have a Boss TU3 and thought I needed a guitar set up ... used my buddy's TC and tuned up and checked everything and the guitar was perfect. I spent months tuning and then strumming a chord and fixing my tuning. I work at a studio and we use a Boss tuner and I feel like its never correct. The TC is always super accurate and the Boss seems off. I don't trust it. I 100% believe in this test.

man I can't wait to show you my new pedalboard!!! *dusts off 7 tuners*

Really interesting and informative video, thanks guys!

I wish you guys did the strobe mode on the polytune 3. It claims to be +/- .02 cents accurate which is basically very close if not the same as the Peterson tuner.

Pitch Fork? I thought that it was a Tuning Fork! Don't you use Pitch forks with your hay? 🤔

@tree267

4 жыл бұрын

Well there is a huge music related site called pitchfork.

@Happy-Me.

4 жыл бұрын

@@tree267 Well to be honest Pitchfork is a better play on words than Tuning Fork! 😉

@katyungodly

4 жыл бұрын

It’s punnier that way 😂

@captaindelculo1731

4 жыл бұрын

I mean technically you could use a tuning fork to shift hay, it would just take a little longer lol

I'm amazed!!! I've watched the entire video because my dad mentioned that his boss tuner just didn't seem to tune as tightly as other tuners we use (TC one, Korg pedal, Mooer tuner) impressed with landlord one

Thanks for the super nerdy video! If you ever go down this road again I'd suggest also using the harmonic on the 12th fret. It seems to make the string ring more true.

When you play that kind of open G, you’re only really hearing G and D notes (1st and 5th). When you play E you’re trying to get a pleasant sounding G# major 3rd on the first fret of your heaviest plain steel string which will always give you intonation problems (as it’s relatively stiff and doesn’t move much at each end of the string).

There are a couple of reasons that the G chord sounds more in tune to you than the E. First, the third of the chord will always be more open to interpretation, because the 3rd is more out of tune in equal temperament. Second, when you fret unwound strings, especially the G and B strings, they tend to go sharp in comparison with the open string. Thus, when you fret the E chord’s third on the G string. It’s the most likely to sound a little wonky. Finally, the timers are more accurate than your ears, but your ears will tend to prefer intervals that are in just temperament, while the tuner will simply tune to the equal tempered frequency. So it’s very possible for a person to tune the guitar to a particular chord, but then have other chords sound out of tune. When you pluck a string hard, you are increasing the length of the string. Thus, the attack will always be a little sharp.

@WillyPDX94

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this explanation. I've read a bit about tempered tuning and I understand the gist of it, but your comment about why the G string is so tricky on an E chord---because it's the 3rd of the chord. That's a useful little nugget of knowledge there!

@williamsmith-ob6kv

5 жыл бұрын

Please be on my pub quiz team

@Reginaldesq

5 жыл бұрын

I'm far from an expert on the matter but I think you might be incorrect on you last point. My understanding is that a longer string will produce a flatter note (unless you tighten it up of course). I'm pretty sure the hard pluck makes the note go sharp due to the increased string tension from the stretching of the string. My basic rule with these thing is Shorter, thinner, tighter = sharper. I hope I'm right :)

@duffypratt

5 жыл бұрын

Reginaldesq Yes, you are right, you aren’t actually lengthening the string but increasing tension. Same effect as in bending.

@plunky58

5 жыл бұрын

@@duffypratt I've never thought about that before, but isn't your original comment also true. If you measured the length of an open string, and then the same string bent up, say, 2 whole tones (big bend), surely it's now longer (although it would be at a higher tension too). So presumably an open plucked string, while vibrating, is also slightly longer, and simultaneously, under more tension. Two things at once, just as tuning is simultaneously boring and fascinating.

Great playing Pete 😎

Thank you ! This is exactly the kind of review I was searching for !

Also, if you pluck a string hard it will register sharp compared to when the string settles down a bit a second or two later. This is because when it's vibrating harder it is essentially tighter and thus sharper. My advice is to play the strings firmly but not super hard when tuning.

I've found that the clip-on ones really struggle when there's lots of outside noise, say if you're between songs and a room full of drunk people are hollering and clapping away.

Good video about the available tuners, but there are some further important reasons why your guitar might sound out of tune even though the tuner shows it to be tuned. These include - Most non pros place uneven pressure on the strings and this makes a relative change between the fretted strings and the open strings. It is also important to not put any forward or backward pressure on the neck as either direction will change the tuning of the strings. And finally the design of the fret system on a guitar is an imperfect one. Each string is slightly different and the position of a fret is the place that meets the most needs possible, but it isn't perfect. In trying to learn why my open chords sound bad, I came across these KZread videos that explain these issues. There might be more but I found them helpful, especially the knowledge that I really have to focus on placing even and as light as possible pressure on the strings when playing. The last one is a great video from James Taylor about why it is important to tune an acoustic guitar down a few "cents" on each string, I believe related to the different strings having different tendencies and imperfections due to the "fret position that serves most of the needs of all the strings", kzread.info/dash/bejne/gaWfpcqmncy2mNo.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZaiXmsd8gtnYY9o.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/iGas0Lp6os22pNY.html Good luck, Steve

@mybluemars

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the links. The sweetened tuning works well for a solo guitar but not so well when in a band settings with multiple guitars, bass, and keyboard. All stringed instruments have to be in tune with the keyboards or else its a useless endeavor.

I just bought a Boss Chromatic TU-3 and waiting for it to be delivered this week. Will give my review soon.

Yeah, I still use my old Boss TU-12. It does a great job in my opinion.

@paulwatts003

5 жыл бұрын

@al I got mine about that time too. Glad I'm not the only one!

@slowpoke7888

5 жыл бұрын

@@paulwatts003 me too.

Tuning is a tricky subject and has been ever since music was invented. It is physically impossible to get a guitar perfectly in tune. Even with wavy frets for perfect equal temperament, equal temperament itself is a compromise tuning. Which is why you get the - G chord sounds in tune but the D chord doesn't - problem. When a string is plucked it is deflected and tension is increased slightly, making the pitch sharp. As the note decays the tension slowly drops and pitch falls. This is visible on really accurate tuners, others seem to employ some kind of damping to lock on to the intended note. There are two things to consider with a tuner; pitch accuracy - if the tuner shows A 440 how close is that to exactly 440Hz. It is certainly quite a feat of accuracy if all 11 of those tuners show A 440 when fed with a 440Hz tone. The second thing to consider is discrimination - how small are the pitch graduations. On many cheaper tuners the display is only graduated in steps of 3 cents, or sometimes even coarser. The best tuner I have found is an app - Cleartune. The display shows two dials - one a course dial that shows a span of several notes, and the other shows plus and minus 25 cents (and there are a number of other features). This is great for guitar repair work because you can measure and write down intonation errors in cents and set tuning to under 1 cent. I have yet to find another tuner that allows that. The Peterson tuners claim an accuracy/definition of 0.1 cents, but they only display that as a simulated strobe except in the software app version, which does seem to show an error in cents. When I started playing guitar all we had was a set of harmonica style pitch pipes.

@madcockney

5 жыл бұрын

Terry Relph-Knight. The 440 hz "A"as you probably know is to set the hertz frequency of the other notes. Some tuners allow you to modify this as that "A" above Middle "C" as in some places that frequency is not accepted. (In years gone by there were a lot of variations through out the World, and even some within Europe however in more recent years the 440 Hz has become more accepted.) In orchestras instruments are set from a certain pitch and that is usually from an in tune piano as that cannot be easily adjusted whereas most others can.hertz frequency of the other notes. Some tuners allow you to modify this as that "A" above Middle "C" as in some places that frequency is not accepted. (In years gone by there were a lot of variations through out the World, and even some within Europe however in more recent years the 440 Hz has become more accepted.) In orchestras instruments are set from a certain pitch and that is usually from an in tune piano as that cannot be easily adjusted whereas most others can. Like you when I started we only had pitch pipes, tuning forks, and possibly keyboards to tune from. I could never get on with pitch pipes that also went out depending on how hard you blew so you had to be careful. I went for the pitch fork, and tuned all other strings at the 4th and 5th fret. In a band situation we would tune all instruments to one and then check them by playing chords, etc and adjust if need be. Though none of these are perfect especially with ET and fixed frets, (neither are harmonics that were highly promoted at one time), I do wonder if the old tuning at the 4th ad fifth fret made the guitar "sound" more in tune as you moved around the guitar . Like most I use electronics these days to tune my guitars and it is certainly quicker to get at least close than in those earlier days. I was never good at tuning by ear and often when others said their instrument was in tune to me it often didn't sound that way.

@ResoBridge

5 жыл бұрын

@@madcockney Yes I know some tuners allow offsetting or retuning the reference and that orchestral A has only quite recently settled on 440Hz. I mentioned A440 simply because (it is now) a common reference and all modern tuners will treat that as the default. My point was that all tuners must be adjusted or calibrated to a reference and whatever that reference pitch is, it is unlikely all tuners will be adjusted spot on to that pitch. The question is, is the technology of electronic tuners in general good enough that if you tune to any tuner, is it going to be so close to any other tuner that any error doesn't matter. Tuning by harmonics is the way that the old minstrels used to do it back in the days when they had moveable frets and the reason it doesn't work perfectly on modern instruments is that natural harmonics are the basis of just intonation not equal temperament. The result of tuning from string to string at the fifth and fourth frets will vary depending on how carefully the intonation compensation is set at the bridge. Then there are the 'sweetened' tunings where you tune the various strings so many cents flat or sharp ... The more you delve into tuning and improved accuracy the further down the rabbit hole you go.

Lee, I am still watching, and it is interesting, cause I found problems with my current tuner as well, and I am looking for to choose a better one. So thank you for the video!

The tuning song is my most played, and requested tune. It is proven to lead to madness and send you straight down the rabbit hole.

Top E and A tuned a little flat to compensate for them going sharp when picked. G tuned about 5% flat to compensate for the inherent tuning flaw of a guitars design. The Boss TU-3 phone app is quite good, better than most clip-ons.

@plunky58

5 жыл бұрын

I like the TU-3 app too, although for me it's more of an at-home with no-one else making a noise thing.

@bobtheblindbedroomguitaris8742

5 жыл бұрын

Text fishy I'm legally blind and the only tuner I found both those on the market and on the phone apps is send it to me. I wonder how accurate it is compared to the boss phone app. I play mostly by myself so it's not really a problem and like I said just send it to him is the only one that I'm actually able to see and use so kind of limits my my range of Tunis to say the least anyway peace and I please excuse any typos misspelled words that's a lack of punctuation. I'm not a bad diaper and I'm not even a little bit a little people friends like to say I am :-) you could tell by my comment what my problem is I use speech to text and it was incessant does what it wants sincerely yours, the blinds bedroom guitarist

You got me at "more tuna than a sushi bar..." damn I love dad jokes.

You guys are the best always make my day little better watching you guys. Thank you

Usually, I watch the videos more for the goofiness than for the content, because I'm well enough informed about the stuff I think I need to know, but this was definitely a useful one. Nice idea !

That's gonna be the most in-tune guitar ever.

To me, there's no tuner that beats the Peterson ones. Even the cheap smartphone model shows you the cents, which is very useful to set intonation properly.

I Love my TC Polytune 3 and my little Snark SN-8 for my Acoustic in the Park or Coffee-house Open-mic. Both are Fantastic, and I wouldn't be without either one. The Polytune 3 and the Peterson Sounded the Most Accurate ( to my ears ).

I own the Conn Stroboconn and Strobotuner.... the grandparents of the Peterson tuners. I'm convinced that the mechanical strobes are the best.

One problem with this experiment is that, when you move to a new tuner, if you start correcting each sting, you'll throw the other ones out a little.