The brutal and inevitable journey of Peon 1. Trying out [MMO] in [Current year] 2. Having fun in [MMO] 3. End Game 𝐆𝐮𝐢𝐝𝐞 for [MMO] 4. [MMO] is my *favorite* MMO! 5. [MMO]: What Happened, and Why I’m Leaving

@mortals94

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't be more accurate

@fenrizwolfbroodx5322

4 жыл бұрын

The pattern is hilarious,every time Peon uploads I wonder if its gonna be a "Why I..." video

@Zastier

4 жыл бұрын

You missed the "Why I returned to this MMO"

@stevenuniverse9613

4 жыл бұрын

At least he's self-aware now after all this years lol

@lockofmetal8894

4 жыл бұрын

Well isn't that how everyone plays a mmorpg? Or is just everyone stuck in 1 rpg? Because i've played wow, eso, gw2, ffxiv, archaeage, BDO. So i mean if you play an mmorpg and eventually get bored, which you most likely will, then is to be expected. I know its a bit comedic at this point that the pattern repeats but tbh im very much like Lazypeon myself. I also played BDO alot, archeage alot and eventually quit. And Zastier, theres no "return to archeage" coming. Because problem with this trashy mmorpg is that it completly kills any reason for a new player to play and for anyone to return. People are faaar to geared and you can pvp everywhere. Trying to gear up in this game now from scratch is just wasting your time. Getting to 14k gearscore? Ye try farming for 6month from now and you might get there, but by that point everyone else is 20-30k.

Dailies are the cancer of games. Too important to skip, but boring and repetitive. And once you forget or miss them, you feel bad because you're not playing efficient/smart.

@Jdemonify

4 жыл бұрын

Eh, you might say that but I kind a like it in a way. IN WARFRAME atleast. I dont feel loggin and doing so but when I log in, I can check dailies and not care still. They are options to do if you dont have anything else.

@zodiark619

4 жыл бұрын

That's how I get burned from most MMOs

@pizzasaurolophus

4 жыл бұрын

If dailies are going to be a thing they should accumulate, like rested XP does.

@DeityVengy

4 жыл бұрын

any game where a routine starts to develop that lasts more than 30 minutes is just plain lazy development. You should be able to login and progress however you want for as long as you want. Same reason why weekly dungeon caps are cancer. It's basically an excuse for devs to say "hey this new expansion we released is months of new content" when in reality its a 2 hr dungeon you do every friday because the game is dead every other day. And then there are those "expansions" or updates that straight up just add new dailies and nothing else...

@hadihairulful

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jdemonify It really sucks when you're forced to do boring dailies just to keep up with the rest. Having dailies as options instead would be nice I reckon

ArcheAge 1.0 back at launch was some of the most fun I've had in an MMO

@edwarda3704

3 жыл бұрын

FACTSS

@TheZenytram

3 жыл бұрын

Man the most at biiiiig margin, the first 2 years was the best mmo of all times, i was force to quit cuz live and this game kinda dont match😂 but im glad that i didnt get the down hill.

@TheMajkel129

3 жыл бұрын

So true, best mmo i’ve played until p2w swallowed first archeage

@get2killn

3 жыл бұрын

Same man, i miss it. Played in alpha, my guild ran the server i was on. I was just upset that we had to grind those like 25 monsters just to get a weapon to do enough dps to beat the first raid :/

@Nick-zm2vm

3 жыл бұрын

It was easily the most fun I ever had in an MMO and I've been trying to recreate that experience ever since

The death of any MMO is when you log in daily and it becomes more like a second job than a thing you do bocause it's fun.

@MisAlizana

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100 percent I became so bored

They really love turning these MMOs into jobs.

@KandiKlover

4 жыл бұрын

Korea and China suck that’s why.

@scard1

4 жыл бұрын

@jvalex18 True, but even some jobs can be fun. These definitely fit in the latter.

@Fehru

4 жыл бұрын

@jvalex18 Game was dying due to cheaters, bots and easy access to game by hackers. Buy 2 play at least stops few of the hackers, cuz they might lose paid account permamently.

@andelskaar2656

3 жыл бұрын

​@jvalex18 if mmos are dying that means people have lives outside of virtual space which is a very positive thing

@sickasshandy3543

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure what server you guys are playing, but I'm still having 200 player fights at least once per day lol.

"think of your favorite mmo" sigh... if only there was one

@thomasdevries5549

4 жыл бұрын

ff14 for me

@thereaIitsybitsyspider

4 жыл бұрын

I'd need a time machine to go back to when I didn't hate it

@Tom-rd9qi

4 жыл бұрын

OSRS

@kooken58

4 жыл бұрын

GW2. I think I come back to it more than I do WoW now days.

@thomasdevries5549

4 жыл бұрын

@@thereaIitsybitsyspider don't do that to yourself if you go back with a time machine you get to the point where you hate it again and feel the pain of the hate, or you can go into a loop exactly before you hate going back but the problem is you have to start over every time

5:41 when the prosecutor is a catgirl wrapped in black bandages you are in trouble

@TheLastPhoen1x

4 жыл бұрын

I know how to deal with this *takes out a bag of catnip*

nothing quite like watching one of your favourite mmos die twice. i knew exactly why i didnt touch this game a second time after playing the original. shame...

I feel like i can only enjoy mmos now when they are fresh new and everyone is a noob. More fun shit happens and people are more eager to socialize.

@KeizoHaHa

4 жыл бұрын

facts

@CyberSecurityNoob

4 жыл бұрын

So true bro

@Bublio53

4 жыл бұрын

and then it becomes: guilds having internal disputes, alliances broken up, and then every man for himself. Then the newer players come and give it a try after everything has since "settled" and then they get obliterated without much direction, unless they ask for help and a kind soul chooses to assist and guide them. I always tried to show the silly random sides of AA to new players.

@mantassilanskas8445

4 жыл бұрын

Try out dofus ^^

@Thenameismalvin

4 жыл бұрын

Try out GW2, very beginner friendly

I feel like this genre is de-evolving

@mykulpierce

4 жыл бұрын

It's true. They keep making choices for wide appeal that doesn't have actual appeal.

@SoukenIDK

4 жыл бұрын

question is who is to blame? I mean if people wouldnt flock to f2p shit games in masses and instead adopt a sub based mindset again then we could be in MMO haven....

@customizablemilk353

4 жыл бұрын

*re-de-evolving

@htcinfinity

4 жыл бұрын

Thats why Runescape is still the best.

@mykulpierce

4 жыл бұрын

@@SoukenIDK you can make a successful free to play game and not dick around with the game balance in the first place. Fortnite for example is free to play and uses exclusively cosmetics for income. Had the developers focused on players engaging each other rather than their game they could have used the game as a platform to sell cosmetics. But because there are also trying to cash in on pay to win and forcing new content out without thought of the in-game loop ruined what was one of the best games to play.

Literally the most informative and easy to listen too, youtuber for these types of videos ever, always loved you peoooon, keep it going dudde ^-^

I love this channel because over the years it’s become so formulaic that’s it’s like my comfort zone on KZread. He’ll start a game, get super into it, create a ton of content for it, then he stops playing it, makes a video about why he stopped, and for the finale, he makes a video revisiting it and explains why he started playing again. It’s a beautiful cycle.

Archeage is simply another MMO that goes into the "had all the potential in the world, but the devs are morons/greedy" category.

@RealFabz

4 жыл бұрын

The actual devs of the game had to give up the project because of insufficient ressources. Then the game got bought by a bigger company and released way too early, according to the sayings of a former, original dev. They had a lot of plans for it, but they never came real because not enough money, basically, if those devs continued to develope the game, it would've been great, I am certain.

@DaimyoSexy

4 жыл бұрын

You're out of touch if you think most of the Devs are making the decision for a massive game of this scale. Creative freedom gets thrown out when you get bought out or have a publisher telling you what goals you need to hit in order to receive a paycheck and or not get fired.

@dblock5one4

4 жыл бұрын

The original NA launch was super pay to win, like it's asian origin. This version of the game is like their 3rd attempt at fixing the pay to win aspect as ArcheAge had some really great features that could have made it super popular. However this version of the game released too late after the original NA launch and not enough people cared to try or come back at this point.

@InanisNihil

4 жыл бұрын

@@DaimyoSexy to be fair.. IF I FUND YOU.. with MY MONEY.. dont think i DONT GET A SAY IN IT... and if u aggree to it. . and use MY MONEY... then WE BOTH ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DIRECTION OF THE GAME... so i get what ya'll are saying.. butt the dev's signed deals/contracts with the people they did...

@larose0004

4 жыл бұрын

Wait for new world, or lotr online by amazon gaming. They have all the money needed to release and support their games properly without selling out to microtransactions that split and kill games

Hot take: Daily quests are bad and inevitably make people feel like they can't keep up.

@tinibari456

4 жыл бұрын

hardly a hot take, I don't know anyone who really cares about daily quests. Just a waste of time in most cases.

@thereaIitsybitsyspider

4 жыл бұрын

@@tinibari456 Sure, but if you told that to Warframe, who has made their only content for about a year daily quests, they would gasp in horror.

@tinibari456

4 жыл бұрын

@@thereaIitsybitsyspider yeah, fair point.

@DZatheus

4 жыл бұрын

@@thereaIitsybitsyspider The think about Warframe and its quests is that if you don't do them and don't keep up, you don't get ganked and spawncamped by people that do. You'll just fail to clear newer/harder content, which is no good at all, but is not as frustrating as the trying to fish a little and get ganked, getting your boat stolen/destroyed and end up even more broke than before.

@varesso7568

4 жыл бұрын

@@thereaIitsybitsyspider warframe has no content; its not a hot take

I am glad you opened up your channel to newer content on other games than wow, your channel has become much better and more enjoyable! Keep up the good work! :)

Yet another great vid Peon!

am I safe from the Hiram dailys down here

@hoho7029

4 жыл бұрын

ive decided to be full time potato...im safe...for now

COMMENTING FOR THE KZread ALGORITHM

@TheLazyPeon

4 жыл бұрын

I like you

@joshmcgoo

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheLazyPeon Thanks dude bro, I like you too. Happy to see you get sponsored vids more lately - been watching you for years now.

@christophergreenall5113

4 жыл бұрын

@@joshmcgoo Awwh trying to bond

@liquid1292

4 жыл бұрын

@@christophergreenall5113 Awwh seeking for attention

@patlefofort

4 жыл бұрын

Notice meee Algorithm senpai!

Well you´re honest about it wich is something I really appreciate, admitting mistakes isn´t always easy but it is the way to move forward.

Truly one of your best videos in a while. Glad to see you back.

Thanks so much for making this video Peon, like you i came into the game hyped and expecting it to be my main MMO...i got to over 6k GS, Alvl 34, had around 3k gold at my peak and yet something was missing..and i couldnt put my finger on it until i watched this video, it really is missing something to do with whatever you grind for months on and just hides it behind the excuse of ''It's a sandbox'' yet every other sandbox mmo i can think of didnt have this problem for me.

Archeage actually does have weekly events like castle sieges, ocean pvp events, and large world bosses to work towards gearing up for. It's just all set at specific times of the day/days of the week so you're forced to plan your schedule around them if you want to do them. It's all basically incorporated into the daily grind that the game has become.

Love all your videos!

7:05 almost spit out my drink lmao

@deleted01

4 жыл бұрын

I don't even need to check what's at 7:05 to know what you're talking about

@eternaldarkness3139

3 жыл бұрын

Hope that armour is splinter-proof!!

I still love my kitty! But I've been playing other games. This video makes me miss her; I think I'll go back tonight and play some lol

@KandiKlover

4 жыл бұрын

We’re you that sexy panty cat dancing on the court room podium?

At it's core, archeage was essentially everything that I wanted out of an MMO. It's genuinely saddening when thinking about what archeage could have been. What we really needed from unchained is the updated patch from the korean version around 2013/2014 (The update/build that came after they almost went bankrupt from nearly breaking the game (I forget the exact build versions)(Not 2014 NA release which was the broken build from KR)) and from there continue to add-in the crafting updates, dungeon content etc however remove the cash shop and avoid pretty much everything that caused the game to spiral down hill. It would have been near perfect. Instead what we got was a jumbled up mess, an economy screwed up by an awful, highly abuseable daily system that should have NEVER been implemented, completely gutted trade runs, sole gear progression through a mechanic that was, once again (remember hasla?) a catch-up mechanic for new players to the KR version and NOT an intended mainstay for gear and a completely ruined crafting system (remember years ago where you actually had to get mats and craft for the best gear, how awesome was that?). It also doesn't help that they, after all this time, have still not implemented proper measures to stop the botting/hacking that occurs.

@umadbroimatroll7918

4 жыл бұрын

Ayanad gear and delphanad gear are both alternatives to hiram. And erenor gear (current best) is made by crafting.

Glad u liked the house, me and omi hope to see u again in the relaunch, greetings your old neighbours :D

Thanks for making this and don't feel bad. Great vid as usual.

I admit I was in a similar box that I loved the game when I started and had goals, built a mansion got a few skills maxed out to 230k, got Hiram gear upgraded a bit..then just didn't see the purpose. Unlike you no life the game and spend labor each day to keep in the top 50 players you aren't going to be doing sieges, so there is no real point and due to the whole insane high gear score of the top players you can't change class types to a new one as melee, range and mage , healer all have different stats you need on gear and would not be able to catch up on a new character. This game is fun at the start but once you reach Hiram gear and build the best house you can, there really isn't any more purpose to the game.

@tartilasahid8056

4 жыл бұрын

Its enjoyable if youre into roleplay or just farmville type of game on end fame. Better sell the gold online if you retire

@justpassing2533

4 жыл бұрын

@@tartilasahid8056 It would have been the best MMORPG for roleplaying, since there is just so much possibilities (like sea traveling, player's houses, a lot of emotions, different languages for races, music e.t.c), if only... if only there were any roleplayers. Literally - I've never seen anyone in this game even attampt to roleplay. And it's really understandable, since the game doesn't have any ~deep lore~ , it's heavily PvP-based game with free PvP in majority of locations, so, if you want to maintain some casual role-play session, you might be interrupted by sudden death, that rains from above and got camped on the nearest spawn. Don't get me wrong - I actually love free PvP, but it's not the thing that might help roleplaying to become a thing. But the biggest issue - it's still a korean grind-and-fight MMO, which roleplayers do not love that much, and it doesn't have any decent lore to roleplay around, so... That's sad, yeah.

@tartilasahid8056

4 жыл бұрын

@@justpassing2533 in this sea version theres a lot of dramas right now so i love it

@tartilasahid8056

4 жыл бұрын

@@justpassing2533 idk if its becsuse the culture of SEA people or not

@callumhughes8911

4 жыл бұрын

beta/headstart archeage was fun, more sandbox, people doing trade runs, was great, then they slowly turned it into this shit with unchained we were promised day1 archeage with no cash shop, what everyone wanted, what we got was this trash and its theme park features herding pllayers to specific areas to account for a dying playerbase in korea

Such a shame about this game. Even watching your gameplay made me want to go back, but I know if I do it'll get old very quickly again... Oh well, onwards to Ashes!

@ryseuglh

3 жыл бұрын

I hope AoC is as good as it looks!

@kudosstyle24

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryseuglh Aoc is gonna be awesome but only if they use the archeage/wow style combat. I listen that they are testing with archeage combat and gw2. Im praying for Archeage style of combat. Gw2 is the most clunky shit i never played in my life fucking trash game.

@Krieghandt

3 жыл бұрын

@@kudosstyle24 EH??? I think GW2 didn't go far enough. LOL maybe that's why they are having both, so you can tab target, and I can dodge. After doing GW2, then going back to WoW, not being able to defend myself really suxxored.

@kudosstyle24

3 жыл бұрын

@@Krieghandt defensives, movement and cornering this is the key not dodges.

@Krieghandt

3 жыл бұрын

@@kudosstyle24 See? we disagree on what we like :) It does worry me a bit that they get the balance right. More the feel than the balance. I tab targetted for more than a decade, so a little bit won't bother me. If they can keep the dodging from annoying ppl like you, then we have a winner.

Great video. I appreciate your perspective on this because I felt like coming back to the game too but I feel the same as you do so you kind of took the words out of my mouth.

Love you man. Appreciate the honesty!

i swear bro we gonna be in 2055 all old and old school runescape will still the the best mmorpg

@tartilasahid8056

4 жыл бұрын

I really do love osrs but i have a life and repetitively cross the agility course even for 30 minutes could damage my mental stability. I need a game thats as good as osrs but less grindy, makin it fun like a game and not a job.

@beyondthelol

4 жыл бұрын

Tartila Sahid Albion online my dude

@tartilasahid8056

4 жыл бұрын

@@beyondthelol repetitive grindy for guild wars and pvp, easy to lose item but not hard to gain item. Im not fan of pvp since in in fkn southeast asia with crappy NA/EU ping

@incongruous4

4 жыл бұрын

I wish rs3 would do a redo where its osrs but with wasd and action combat with the same skill system and map. As rs stands its too dated and clunky. After 5k hours I'm done and only play ff14 now

@hardcoreteunes

4 жыл бұрын

@@incongruous4 i feel you. i would play eoc but withouth the stupid wheels etc. just the basics of osrs but nicer ghrapics and more action

Thanks for the video. I think it's really insightful, there's a few things I disagree with though (although fair warning my info is potentially a bit outdated). - There are castles and castle wars, as well as player created factions (you need a castle to create one). There's also the fights between guilds that I don't remember the name of. - I'm a bit conflicted about the labour system, I think it's helpful in making casual players able to keep up with everyone else. - I think the factions work okay if you get to know your faction, although I agree more guild stuff would be good. When I played, our guild was relatively involved with loads of others in our faction, and we organised larger events and fights on our own (although the fact that we had to do that to find stuff to do is a red flag on it's own). Other than that, I agree with everything you said and I really wish the game had better Devs/publishers.

amazing content as usual

Man thanks for the vid, great work.

5:15 Now we know how you got to 99 magic. ;). Also, super glad to see you have RuneScape 3 open...another video coming soon? 😁

0:25 every fricking time 🤦🏻‍♀️ me on day 1: omg best game ive ever played some months later: this game is so bad that i cant like it even if i try really hard

@redparadox2765

4 жыл бұрын

this is why i dont follow the hype train... yo this game is so good must buy.. now look

@Soul-ft7bg

4 жыл бұрын

Skyrim is the only RPG game that you can play 1million times and still enjoy. But that one is offline lol. ESO didn’t live up to Skyrim. Hoping ES6 is good.

@seifeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

4 жыл бұрын

This happens to me when i'm clueless about the mechanics and how the game is played. Once you start seeing its flaws... well you get tired of it if it's really bad like archeage's daily system. Like seriously if you want to do all dailies you will spend almost 12-18h. And i know because i did it at some point.

@umadbroimatroll7918

4 жыл бұрын

Only if you want to be a competitive player in pvp you need to gear. Legit to have fun you dont need gear I play daily at least 4-5 hours a day and I'm at 1100 hours in game now I havent done a hiram daily in months.

@redparadox2765

4 жыл бұрын

@@seifeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this is why as gamers its bad to put other down or say the game u play is trash because u dont like they stay with old games for a reason... they know what they are getting into and it becomes there fav game of all time.. probly why to this day ppl still play the og archeage and not this one.

You know, 20 years ago I would log on to Ultima Online , log in one of my characters. I was in a guild that was a VERY strict roleplaying guild, we would occupy the woods of Yew and RP as simple country guardsmen. Not heroic mythical knights of whatever, who some other bland high fantasy RP concept. We were country yokels, in boring chainmail (but with a nice little uniform theme going on). We were extremely xenophobic towards outsiders/ anyone not in the guild, but if you could stay in character and paid your road tax, we might chat to you. Conflict came from other RP guilds that occupied nearby areas, e.g. a group of players roleplaying samurai, orcs, undead players (who would start as human servants and when promoted had a "ritual" where they would become undead, never taking their bone armour off from that point onward and always speaking like thissss. An average day would just be hanging around town during the off peak, usually an event being organised by an officer during prime time (a monster patrol, a pitched battle against another guild, a parade etc). Power levelling was strictly forbidden, you were encouraged to just play your character and not focus on skill gain. I joined as a trainee, and just let my character develop naturally from how I liked to play. I had a pack mule always following me, because I'd like to chop trees, turn them into crates, and make little fortifications on the road by stacking them. I'd never hold my ground in a fight so I just RP'd it as being fairly cowardly, any time I ran away I'd deem it "flanking". One of my favourite memories is an impromptu event I held one afternoon, where everyone would have a go inventing something and then showcase their invention to the officer in charge who would judge the winner. People would stack random items on the ground to create "machines" and RP them as doing something. I made an automatic road tax collector which was a kind of booth with a broomstick sticking out in the area you could pass through. A random player passing through was watching and obviously had no idea WTF we were doing, but just went with it. I asked a civilian to help demonstrate my concept, and they just went with it, and RP'd my machine working too well and getting pummelled by the wooden broom shaft, and since the character doing it was female, it was obviously a little lewd. I miss those simpler days. Who wants to come from the real life rat race, and log in to a virtual rat race where if you don't complete your 5 daily quests you are immediately behind? Or if you don't grind the newest monthly content your formerly top tier gear might as well be thrown in the trash. How about a game where you can log in, tend to your garden or hunt in the forest or shear some sheap for wool which you spin into bandages, then go back to the tavern for a mug of virtual ale to chat amongst friends. But in MMO form, where occasionally something happens to really shake things up.

@shadowswithin702

4 жыл бұрын

I have a love hate relationship with mmorpg's in which I love playing, but the the whole lets race to end game. Get there then roam about with our top level gear, and complain there is nothing for us to do mentality. Let's talk about stats of which I couldn't care less about, get the best armor. Do x amount of damage in the fastest time, have to read about mechanics for a boss fight in a dungeon. Then have some Sargent major type tell you your doing it all wrong, or you can't play because you don't have a certain set of armor. The things I love is doing, quests and exploring, doing things on my own or meeting up with other people and doing quests, having a laugh in taverns. Having a house that actually has some point to it, and it not just being filler for the game. So many games are dungeons, difficulty and pvp, pve and that's it......This to me seems like such an oversight, after I've done a bunch of dungeons, usually at high speed so didn't really see half of them, I'm done with that. Once I've got whatever stupid gear it is I supposedly need I'm done with that, there is such a huge amount of potential with open world mmorpg's, but most of them seem in my humble opinion to fall flat. I've never actually tried role playing as I'm not sure I get it, and it seems to have all these really strict rules of what you can and can't do. I find it hard getting into it, though it certainly seems to fit with the whole role playing, these games are supposed to be about. To me more variety in how people play would be good, and mechanics to support that.

@RandomDeathChild

4 жыл бұрын

@@shadowswithin702 i tried out wow once, was overwhelmed by the whole game and the only fun memories i have of the game is when i met a random dude and we just did bullshit for hours on stormwind. unfortunately i coudlnt add him bc i got disconnected :(

@mdc3227

4 жыл бұрын

UO is my favourite MMO of all time and still to this day the greatest sandbox MMO of all time. I was a famed blacksmith, didn't have to fight, never PVP'd, just crafted all day long from my shop. The only other game that comes close is Kenshi.

@shadowswithin702

4 жыл бұрын

@@mdc3227 Nice to have that option, some people find it amazing that not everyone wants to do fighting.

@mightylitty681

4 жыл бұрын

No one cares

Bloody hell you did it again^^ I joined BDO after watching your first videos, and then when I was lvl 56 or so you released the "why I quit BDO" video. So, I was kinda curious about this game and searched videos, found your guides (among others), got the game, then saw this. Grinding aimlessly is never fun, so we'll see if I feel the same about this game as you did in a couple of months or so. Cheers

Currently on marathon watching all yer videos

@TheLazyPeon

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude :) warning though, the further back you go the more cringe you'll come across

@uncleje314

4 жыл бұрын

TheLazyPeon all of your gameplay and commentary are really entertaining so far :)

Watched your previous video on Archeage Unchained just a few days ago and I was supposed to download it today but I decided to check your channel first for new content. Holy smokes, good thing I did. Thanks for this, Peon!

@NolorW

4 жыл бұрын

To be honest, game is amazing for a 1-2 months at least so I would still play it that much. Just set a goal to quit when it bores you. It has so many interesting things to do for a new player that are not related to grind or gear score and they are worth experiencing imo...

Morning Peon! Imo nothing at all to apologize for, you took the journey, fell along the way :) thank you for the honest side of the story as usual mate

prolly your most concise, informative video in a long time

I will give the game a try thanks to your review, it is good to know there is a non pay to win version :)

Im not saying this mmo is perfect peon but hear me out. They have already fixed the archepass from dailies to weeklies and changed the quest types for it so you complete it seamlessly while playing the game. Also the daily hiram quests are also going to turn into weeklies in the next update and it doesnt take hours anymore to do the dailies anyway since everyone is so strong that all hirams are completed in 10-20 mins depending on the raid leaders navigational skills :P The end game pvp is really fun especially when contesting end game world bosses like, the kraken, leviathan morpheus and many more, thats why i gear up for. Labor is better since you get more of it by completing the archepass missions (and as i mentioned above now they are just simple tasks u complete while playing like using labor gettig exp, killing mobs) i still understand peple that dont like the labor system tho. The game has 100% improved from what it used to be at launch and from what i see its only going to get better, also the dev team are working on a new skillset that uses a musket/shotgun.

@kuropotato8097

4 жыл бұрын

You are looking at it through your die hard fan view. Look at it from a new player perspective, or perhaps a returning player. I'm not saying the game is garbage cause some people clearly still like it. But 90% of the player base gone and the few returning did not find a reason to stay. Then u start seeing problems in fundamental design. I'm sure the game will get covered again if something major happened. And to me this game is definitely still in my list of things to keep updated on.

@Skytez

4 жыл бұрын

@@kuropotato8097 I see what your saying from a new players perspective the game has some flaws that impact some players more than others. regarding the population of the game, it is expected to see a game pop off in the first month of its launch since everyone is looking fora new mmo to play, many will check the game out and give it a try but i would never judge the population of a game by the amount it started with. Also peon was saying that when he used to go to the fishing spot he would see a lot of players and he doesnt see many now, that is because there is an achievement that awards the fishing boat design if you catch a specific number of certain fish, so people used to get in big groups fish together since the progresses shared if you are in a raid/party with faction members. but at this point the people who wanted that achievement either already got it or gave up on it cus frankly fishing needs a lot of work before u can start making good money with it. Side note, i just like unchained cus gamigo in a few months did way more than trion ever could or did in years, so as publishers i just respect them for the effort, of course theyr not perfect at all, the launch wasnt the smoothest thing after all :P (sry for the walls)

@derwaat3623

4 жыл бұрын

Well , love your open minded and well - placed opinion on this! Only problem i'm having with your statement is, it might get more bareable etc so that's good. But the main thing here is, casual players won't ever play this game cause of the amount of time you have to spent to just be somewhat relevant in this game.. so you already lost those, the diehard players well .. I can see this game being "something" for sure. They just need to get rid of hiram at once. It's a big drag and a chore no one wants to go through.. and the labor system is just horrendous.. it's sad really cause i do see potential in this game.. with the right tweaks that is.. :*

@Skytez

4 жыл бұрын

@@derwaat3623 You are 100% right, causal players are scared by the gear gap (i am too sadly). When i first saw hiram come to legacy i thought it was the best thing ever since it got rid of rng, but little did i know.. that the grind is real. i am not a fan of hiram myself i preferred obsidian but at the same time i didnt like rng regrading. And now u dont have the merit of looking at your obsidion/ ayanad weapon and reading 'Made by (your ign)' thats probably the worst part :D crafting gear was fun :(

@derwaat3623

4 жыл бұрын

@@Skytez exactly. Just sad to see so much potential go to waste really. Currently playing lost ark and having a shit ton of fun!

I just found out I enjoy watching your videos about MMOs more than playing ANY of them... :D

Man, I'm not even playing mmos anymore but I still watch you videos lol

Intro and advertisement skip: 1:35 Meat of the video: 7:08

@TribunalxWarrior

3 жыл бұрын

that was the only reason i bought unchained when it got out

@seankrkovich2869

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

my favorite thing to do in archeage used to be breaking INTO prison without getting arrested then getting out. it is AMAZING with friends

Nice touch the Maple Story music in the background.

Really great video very concise and makes total sense. I had the same experience except I dropped it way sooner, but we all get swept up in the hype sometimes. It's good to have hope, right now Ashes of Creation is looking like it has a really good passionate dev team so we'll see

I just want to say that u have become my favourite youtuber peon

@TheLazyPeon

4 жыл бұрын

I remember how happy I was when i got my first thunderstruck log or something like that, can't remember the name exactly ... memories ...

Distinguished Presentation You have inspired me to work on my channel, thanks. 🐼

14:51 Yes, I am sure we have the same feeling. Problem is I'm still 2 weeks in and hyped. I'll catch up to you in a couple weeks/months. Your earlier videos helped me a lot! Though I couldn't get my head around the infusion/awakening in the beginning. Now I have a 1H Hiram sword with Strength +66 and Magic Attack +2% LOL

@andelskaar2656

4 жыл бұрын

Its called burnout. Too much repeatable things make you bored and games are not meant to be borring. I quit when a guildie showed me the airain exploit, they did it in raids, got tens of thousands of gold from all the exploits, can't be competetive with that stuff. They had so much gold, they are still selling it even now as they invested a lot in land and they play the RMT -real money trade game and simply profit monthly. But economy is so screwed new players will have a very rough time. 5k gold is nothing to these guys.

@simen2032

4 жыл бұрын

Been 2 months, still hyped for it?

Regarding the jail thing. I remember playing Dofus when it was on Beta. At the time there was no alignement system. You could attack anyone if you want. Each time you do so you gained bad point and they if someone decide to punish you and beat you, you were sentence to jail. After that you had to peel potatoes to get right of you bad points and get free.

It sucks that the game might never get the release it realy deserves. It could have been the ultimate Rpg with a little bit more well structured and harder endgame content and a progression system where you don't need to log in every day and do the same shit. Bless you Archeage, still had fun with you though.

@viysnjor4811

4 жыл бұрын

That's the most frustrating part, all the elements for a good MMO are there, in the game. You can actively see them and tell that if the devs were actually freaking competent they could make it into something great, instead of the short attention span gankfest with heavily gutted "sandbox" elements that it is now.

My first watch of your videos was about "my favorite MMO"...was hyped to get the game, had issues to pay the game...and decided to wait a bit...and now, seeing this video, makes me not to buy and wait a bit longer to see if new mmo will show up on the scene. Hope so :) Keep going with the videos :)

I absolutely loved Archeage on the first release, and I enjoyed the Unchained release somewhat. Your outlines I agree with mostly but to me the dailies and constant questing is what killed it for me. I absolutely loved having my farm, figuring out what trade packs to take where and to upgrade/build my fishing boat. I loved seeing the same people doing what I did beside me regardless of me actually knowing them, I had my fishing buddies, my neighbours and my grinding buddies. Without the progression system via dailies and a clear endgame I think I would've stayed much longer, probably permanently. Lets not even talk about the horrible glitches/launch that made it so a certain amount of players could profit immensely which directly influenced their gearscore. One day, me and my irl mates just didn't feel like doing dailies, that day we logged out and never returned. I was so stoked for the return on archeage and it honestly makes me so sad to see what happened. Unique experience to say the least.

Your description on the labor system is perfect. It's exactly why the game continuously made me not want to play it anymore... labor limits what you can do the second you run low/out. Then when I don't play the game it's constantly on my mind that I'm wasting potential stuff to be done, when I just want to relax a day without doing another AA grind. :/ Also, what do I gear up for? ... I'm no pvper, but the only thing I would ever gear up for is pretty much just to survive out in the world from random strangers who choose to attack me when I don't want to fight and do my own thing not bothering them either. Normal AA from back in the day has affected my trust of any random stranger I encounter in conflict zones. and I don't like feeling suspicious all the time. Feels toxic. oh yeah and all the "classes" you can be, when really only a select few actually enable you to somewhat defend yourself with a chance of winning. seeing the same few classes everywhere is boring.

@oddfatof527

4 жыл бұрын

You are só close minded.. omg, talking about only a few classes that are able to defend urself. Literally you can BE whatever u want but you chose to be a Blade dancer because you can Google it "how to use Blade dancer" if you were Smart enough you could make something up and make a new class trend. If you really had alot of free time you would do it. Myself i dont do that because Im happy as fanatic. And the fact that you apparently played aa classic and still cry about labour is sickning, aa classic would make me go crazy if i missed one day of grind bc of my patron. Aau is a paid game the fact that you play the game for couple days then quit to rest doesnt make any sense you can literally play 15 minutes a day and you wouldnt losing as much of a 'rest'.you shouldnt have bought the game on first place bozo.

@Bublio53

4 жыл бұрын

@@oddfatof527 wow... you don't have be a jerk about it. In my opinion it was a fun game, but certain mechanics did not please me in the slightest and over time became too boring and time consuming. Like another job. Not what I want from a game. Sorry you disagree with me? No need to be insulting.

@Lunamana

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my feelings towards the game, I don't like PvP in MMOs and after a couple of months of playing AA it became apparent that it was MANDATORY to participate in pvp which absolutely killed my excitement about the game. It's a shame because it really is a great sandbox game if they just put some more care and attention to it. Nowadays i mostly spend my time on BDO to fulfill my lifeskill addiction, following the economy and trying to make the right decisions has been a lot of fun. I sometimes think to myself though... "What if AA had all these systems properly in place ?" It would probably be my favorite mmo of all time :(

I love how some dude in his first Unchained video just knew Peon was gonna make a “why I quit” or “what happened” video in a few months.

Massively unrelated, but I've been a subscriber to you for a long time. Your content has always been entertaining, and I've been putting things together to set up a lets play series for people who are interested in finding new MMOs. What do you prefer, Davinci Resolve or Premiere Pro?

thanks for the honesty man

I loved this game when it first came out. Felt so organic.

@StarboyXL9

4 жыл бұрын

It felt straight out of an isekai anime honestly.

@nicolaos355

4 жыл бұрын

It was fun for first 1month (non unchained version) coz everything was new... then disaster started

Is that Popcorn Time I see on your desktop Peon? HUH!? Oh.. How do I know what Popcorn Time is...? ehmmm.. Great video! Thanks for the content!

@codmw2nooblet

4 жыл бұрын

Wait... Thats illegal

Haha you met Kn, he's always had high gearscore, I miss people like him. Man i logged in like a month ago. Saw all my houses gone and almost dropped a tear. I did have alot of fun while it lasted ;]

You're totally spot on about all of the bad things in AA:U. Dailies, time gating, RNG, etc. They're all terrible and the game would do so much better without any of it. But I don't think you, or anyone for the matter, could possibly give even a halfway truthful review of the game in good faith when the game never even really started for you or anyone else that only got that far. During your play time, 90% of the group content wasn't even made available yet. The things that made Archeage ACTUALLY worth playing. During the first month or two the group content that all the players are working towards now to be able to participate in was either disabled because it was still the early phases of the game to prevent massive snowballing or everyone just straight up didn't have the gear necessary to even contest it. These group events are absolute insanity and I've never seen anything else more amazing in another MMORPG. When was the last time you saw a raid leader teleport flare in his 100+ man raid to the middle of the sea and each squad lead in the raid summoned a warship for a kamikaze charge towards the enemy encirclement of Kraken? Literally 15+ massive warships popped up out of nowhere, were manned, and went to war in an attempt to stop the opposing 100+ man raid. Or how about Castle Sieges where the Heroes of the faction select the strongest 50 players of the nation to participate in claiming or defending their territory in Auroria? That shit is cool as fuck and is ABSOLUTELY a goal for players to be able to participate in and work towards. Maybe you'd like Abyssal Attack then. A transport based event where even new players can venture out to participate in high risk high reward pack transport and make huge amounts of gold. An event that doesn't even care about your gear score or equipment and rather just your own speed and timing. It quite honestly appalls me that you, you who did not even experience the content clearly present in the game had the gall to review and complain about facets missing in the game that you simply did not bother to participate in. It just reminds me how every single "mmo reviewer" on youtube clearly does at most a paltry 5 minutes worth of research before they cash in on a "opinion" video at the expense of the game they're "reviewing" and it's players. Quite honestly fucking disgusting really.

From my own experience (from the top of my head right now): -We got to the end-game too fast. That explorer gear shit and the fast boost to lvl 30 killed the pace of the game and made most of the early and mid content worthless and when you get to the end is just dailyage. -Too many god damn bugs and exploits most of them associated to the archepass, like "kill x world boss = good amount of gold" , but people repeatedly rerolled to get that quest and ended up getting 1k gold per day with no labor -Lags and shit servers, like the good old library lagging everyone every 4h everytime a boss was killed. -Old archeage was dead and i was unaware of it , so many shit changes , like the "new" trade pack system basically killing sea fights for those packs and only fishing remains. The onyx trade is a joke and only good for those guys wanting to afk or playing with 2-3 characters at the same time. -Gold buyers everywhere , like seriously servers like alexander in europe are filled with those. -Overall the game being repetitive as fuck and if you want to have a chance in participating in pvp you need to play this game like it's your full time job. Don't get me wrong i got fun with this game but after 1 month you get burnout easily.

Definitely felt the same. I left after the 5-6 weeks mark because they had huge issues with dailies and "stamina" that they had to manually compensate players. Also cheats/hacks made them manually shut down a server lol. Dailies hit hard and 0 end game. Would say its a total waste of time and money but the start was quite memorable

@martinivanov1319

4 жыл бұрын

all asian games are a grindy waste of time. just look at conqueror blade ffs. the grind in that game is out of this world...

Dont be ashamed, it is respectable that you can reflect upon yourself. It is also the reason you are able to put out content like this, because you are able to reflect on things! (: Keep up the good work.

I played this game way back pretty early on, and I totally get where this video is coming from. On the other hand, I truly feel like the potential is through the roof. Like I really love the concept of how trading works through sailing and transportation (I’m big into that stuff) and housing and property aspects never bothered me that much, yeah it’s crowded but it wasn’t always and could be worked around. Overall, with not even that much reworking, I think this game could really be a gem.

You voiced my thoughts on this game so well. Initially it was really fun because it was novel and people were just doing things together. But the problem was definitely the content for end game, and the lack of actual competition between players. Their form of competition was “who has the highest gear score” which honestly, like you said, was a huge daily grind that wasn’t even fun to grind for. Some of my favorite mmos had dungeons that were meaningful to run, dailies that were short and sweet, and had worthwhile goals you could farm for, while at the same time, didn’t force you to if you didn’t want to, since you could do so many other things instead, like crafting, market research, and pvp.

We got a non-P2W version of ArcheAge (except for the fact that you have to play three accounts to be competitive, lol), the game just fundamentally wasn't the one that people remembered and played back in the day. A lot of the changes the devs made over the years to address problems the game had were a double-edged sword or straight-up made things worse. Hiram dailies give you a way to stay competitive with gear, but they're a boring chore, even if you can manage to be online for a reset raid and knock them all out in an hour or two. The new trading system just sucks and made trading barely viable anymore. Going to a faction-based system as opposed to guilds for sieges was lame. Even the crime system was tuned in a way that basically makes flagging up not worth it anymore in most cases. Old ArcheAge wasn't perfect, even if you took the P2W out of it, but it was a lot more of a true sandbox than whatever this modern abomination is.

@andelskaar2656

4 жыл бұрын

All they had to do is take down the cash shop, but they butchered the game to provide repeatable content as grindy content is easiest to make, a lazy solution. There are private servers which put up all cash shop items up on npcs for purchase with gold, and dealth with all the p2w in one swoop. It is not the lack of skill or intelligence, it is the lack of will to give players the Archeage they deserve.

@annieshineblossom3762

4 жыл бұрын

You don't have to have three accounts. You don't have to dod ailies all the time. Agree with trading and faction based stuff. That was terrible decision. Crime system was shit before and still is shit.

@umadbroimatroll7918

4 жыл бұрын

Lol if you dont like daily's get ayanad or delphanad gear. It's the alternative to hiram. And the best gear in the game is made by crafting it, erenor. Hiram is only there if that's the gear you want and by the way you hate daily missions you shouldn't go for it. Edit: also you should not even do daily missions every day as it is not possible to get all the labor and gold to use every infusion you get....

@aggressivelyadamant6063

4 жыл бұрын

syn Back in the vanilla version I had 15 accounts just for crafting accessories. It was so fun though. Now there are no rng which is very unsatisfying and not really rewarding I believe.

@Joekingbariatric

3 жыл бұрын

You must have 3 accounts or you will be far behind everyone else. I've seen a lot of people with 6 to 10 accounts. I feel that the limited labor plays a huge roll for multiple account playing. But number wise makes the game seem more populated than it really is. 10 real people can actually be 30 to 100 characters online.

If theres anything I will ever remember about archage, its that gawd damn main menu theme. That's one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.

Honestly, this game was SO fun for me. The endgame with the housing, lands, and farming were one of my favorites. I played ArcheRage tho LOL private server

Archeage: Prison Simulator

@andelskaar2656

3 жыл бұрын

This guy nailed it.

@andelskaar2656

3 жыл бұрын

It would had some sense to play it, but than exploiters took shortcuts and the rest of the people fell behind months so they had to grind, EVEN MORE. HAHA what a clusterfck.

This game use to be good. Back in the day it was so different I went in unchained thinking "Man I cant wait to tank Kraken again and get Anthalon locked down for my guild to get the gear to help get and hold a castle again" But it was like "Oh you want to own a castle? Well your faction owns it and not you! Ha ha no more 5k gold a week for you" and like Pug raid for Anthalon like WTF no one goes for the 4 set anymore for that raid v raid anth proc. I use to lead a end game guild I use to do all the fun stuff but they took it all away, when I was in discord talking to my guild mates. I'd always bring up something we use to have fun doing in the past and they always came back to me saying "Yeah dude it is not like that anymore" Omg i burned out so fast NOTHING FUN END GAME AT ALL! I use to camp freedich for like 6 hours a day sometimes more and kill people bringing in packs or steal a merchant ship, I use to shot call End game PvPvE events like anth and kraken. I use to own castles and land and have all profs over 70k on more then one account. I use to do trade runs for coal, rock salt and crystal(till they took that away) I use to regrade divines for FUN (got a few Epics and a Legendary) They killed this game it used to be really good now its fucking trash

@MrZulgen

4 жыл бұрын

yeah man that freedich pvp was so fun back in the day, now you go there and its basically empty. its a shame that these streamlined systems have dumbed down the fun aspects of the game.

Thank you Peon, my thoughts exactly

The original Archeage was so much fun for the first year or so. I had never enjoyed an mmo more than during that time. The faction vs faction pvp was great, the pve was decent, trade runs were fun and challenging, guilds would fight each other even if they were of the same faction. At one point a single guild took control of all the world events due to their pvp capabilities and they eventually became the pirate faction and literally ruled the seas. It's a shame that Archeage no longer has the same kind of content and community.

If "end game" consist of me having to do something I dont want to do in order to stay competitive or relevant, then I just wont be competitive or relevant. I play to have fun. Once it becomes "work" I move on to another GAME.

@MyouKyuubi

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@Zachhhx

4 жыл бұрын

Yea but pretty much every MMO requires you to work to have fun. WoW for example makes you spam raids over and over in LFR to get gear and do all the end game progression raiding..

@MyouKyuubi

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zachhhx As opposed to ArchAge: Unchained, which has dungeons, but the gear you get from it is obsolete to begin with, meaning you never, under any circumstances have a reason to do them... And seeing as ArcheAge: Unchained only has 1 viable way to get relevant gear, namely via Haram dailies, AKA; singleplayer content, the game then doesn't have any multiplayer endgame content to USE said gear with. Basically, you work to get gear, that you will never really use... A treadmill with no carrot, AKA, all work and no play. :P So basically, AA:U has made itself irrelevant, by its own fundamental nature.

@Zachhhx

4 жыл бұрын

@@MyouKyuubi Serpentis, Noryette, and Library all have BIS gear that you need to run them for.. There's 3 ways to get BIS slot gear: dungeons, crafting and hiram. There's tons of content end game, so much that I'm usually overwhelmed? Why is the comments and even the video its self filled with people who know nothing about the game

@MyouKyuubi

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zachhhx I have no clue what you're talking about, Hiram is the only relevant gear you can get... According to the very players who have played long enough to get good gear score hiram gear.

ArchAge's Original Alpha during it's western conversion process will forever remain the best iteration of the phenomenal waste of game potential. Alpha died to the live game, the live game died to greed, and the reboot died to needless changes

@tangomcphearson74

3 жыл бұрын

Well said. It had more potential than any game I have ever played - but the developers/publishers gutted and killed the game (IMO) - very sad - what a waste

I agree with this video, feel this time around was more closure time for me with Archeage, will log in once a month to keep my treehouse that was my goal with playing the game though :)

When I played, I remember there was a continent in the north with three castles to siege with your guild as well as large faction vs faction pvp.

@alexgoogleplus3779

4 жыл бұрын

there still is.

Peon> Your house was demolished to make room for a hyperspace bypass!

*sees the Summoner's War ad* Ah yes!... the original.

Would you consider making an video about the new ESO expansion and share your updated thoughts on the game? I really enjoyed the last video you made on ESO and I'm thinking of possibly getting into it but I'm not sure where to start.

I wasn’t sure whether to buy this or not, but your first video convinced me to buy it and I only played it for 1 day before uninstalling it and never trying it again. Don’t worry though, we all make mistakes and I still appreciate your videos. I always thought you have fair points, and even though I wasted money on this game I will still continue to check your videos whenever you post them and respect your opinions and impressions of the game. Making a mistake every now and then is fine, dont sweat it.

This game had so much potential, someone dropped the ball again.

Some downsides I experienced even on Unchained: The game is WAY too personal and the playerbase becomes toxic. Once a guild starts commanding all the content, it is near impossible to claim it back without some sort of major power shift/guild collapse. Gamigo did NOT address gold selling en mass and it became to norm for players who wanted to become relevant. If you tried to grind it on your own, it would likely take you months to catch up, if you even can. I tried it again after my horrid experience on legacy, but the same issues continued to pop up. I was also a healer, and I felt powerless at times where the UI failed me miserably. I'm sorry you had to waste your time on this game and that nobody warned you.

I remember playng this game when i was 6, i didnt really understand it when i was so young but now i played it again and i literally started to love this game!

LOL i knew this would happen when i saw that video you made about this being your new favorite mmo.

1)dailies take less than an hour, maybe one hour, not a few hours 2)there are end game castle sieges/territory wars otherwise agreed

I remember watching my first Peon video during Warlords of Dreanor, and here we are, like 6 years later, still watching.

@TheLazyPeon

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sticking around :)

@thorinthered8127

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheLazyPeon Will you adopt me, Father?

Good perspective video

I was downloading this game to try it and watching this video while I waited. I cancelled the download. You gave me a better idea as to what I am looking for in a game though.

Don't be ashamed for being invested in a new thing. The start off a MMO was allways the best time for me. So much to explore. So much to do. So much to find. This is nothing to feel bad about.

14:00 It's okay man everyone makes mistakes and I asked a lot of questions when the game came out and it just wasn't the game for me. It's been a long time since I've played an MMO and had fun doing so BDO wasn't fun for me because I didn't want to PvP and thats all the game had to offer other than grinding mobs which was zero fun. This game looked neat but lacked end game content which honestly I found out pretty quickly after the game launched by talking with streamers and watching your vods. We haven't seen a good MMO in YEARSSSSSS so I don't fault anyone for hoping this would be it. Hopefully we will get a game that will change all that but TBH I'm getting older and I have less and less time to play games like this. The only way I'm going to have fun playing a game like this is if I can make progress without playing with other people and still be able to play with others without being weeks behind because I can't play all day long like Twitch streamers and famous youtubers like yourself and honestly I don't know if we'll ever get a game like that but until then I'm leaving the hardest part up to you updating us on the games that are coming out soon and games that are worth playing in the meantime. I wouldn't even be mad to see you do a review on some indie games that aren't MMO's because you always give a well thought out opinion and are really honest about where the game needs improving without getting mad at the devs like I do sometimes. Thanks for keeping me informed and heres to a game worth playing coming out before I die of of boredom lol

@TheZenytram

3 жыл бұрын

A mmo that is a mix of Gunz and the older Monster Huter, both game that level and gears dont matter so much, would be FANTASTIC. You wouldn't need to "catchup" cuz a lvl 1 could kill a lvl 100 if he knew how to play but would be hard. One day one day. I like to dream hahahaha

This game had all the potential, like you grinding my way home it was extremely enjoyable, the art style, combat and exploring was adventurous I really got that first mmo experience again. Once I reached max level the game began to feel hallow and with nothing to look forward to the systems like labor became all the more annoying and the gear grind just wasn't worth the time. Thanks for doing this review on unchained. Maybe someday we will get that experience we chase. As of right now, I'm enjoying the potential of Star Citizens Alpha. It has a long way to go to meet all of it's promises but what is available I find enjoyable in the moments I do get to sit down a play these days.

I don't see the need to apologize for the previous video. You weren't lying, because it WAS your favourite MMO when you were playing it, and then it wasn't :D It's the way the cookie crumbles with everything really.