Watch the full discussion of Arcane and its ideas here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lIFko7CYad29d9Y.html

@YB-sm4we

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY ONE LIKE I'M CRYING

@miphatitou8824

2 жыл бұрын

Ratio tho

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

@@miphatitou8824 less than you think I'd bet.

@miphatitou8824

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline what is that supposed to mean

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

@@miphatitou8824 that your "ratioed" comment is wrong? Of course... Even if the video did have more dislikes than likes, I wouldn't particularly care. Most of the negativity in the comments here has come from people who have imagined arguments or claims I didn't actually make. I stand by what I said in both videos. Arcane was a good, well-written show. Most of (not all) its characters are bad people who do bad things to others, regardless of whether or not they believe they're right. Regularly robbing random people isn't morally OK just because you're poor... Amassing power and using it in corrupt ways isn't noble because you started with idealistic goals... And you don't become a hero by not doing stuff you shouldn't have done to begin with. You just go from bad to neutral. Yes, I get it, the show created a world where no one is ever really good and the villains are sympathetic. That's why I said it was a good show. Not the greatest of all time, but better-written than I expected. However... in my *opinion* ... dark, depressing tropes about how no one is truly good or bad, and how people justify doing awful things to each other in a cruel, depressing world is getting to be played out. TV is filled with this kind of message (ie. Game of Thrones, Ozark, Black Mirror, Handmaid's Tale, Westworld, Peaky Blinders, and on and on), and... again, in my *opinion* ... it's getting old. As a result, I'd like to see some more genuinely heroic characters and maybe a less depressing take on humanity emerge in Season 2. This does *not* mean I want to see less complex characters, Mary Sues, or one-dimensional "black and white" storytelling. The same level of narrative development that goes into telling a story that presents everyone as dark and awful can be used to showcase better people who struggle less with recognizing the difference between right and wrong and more with the consequences of taking the harder, less expedient path. If you know you could get what you want by hurting someone and taking their stuff, but understand that it is wrong to do that, your challenge becomes getting what you want via moral means. There is a lot of good drama to be mined there if a writer were so inclined. That may not happen, of course. Such is life. But speaking as someone who's getting tired of shows that treat bad people as if they're heroes - and especially speaking as someone who has now read through dozens of comments from people who claim that morality is relative and universal standards of good and bad behavior "don't exist" - I'll stick with what I said.

“if main character why not perfect?”

@stephaniegalliart859

2 жыл бұрын

"unga bunga, if protagonist, why no only punch bad man and kiss girl?"

@pecha6339

2 жыл бұрын

I guess he wouldn't like breaking bad

@mazeknox

2 жыл бұрын

If main character is perfect i want main character to die because im bad people 😝

@nathmartins3154

Жыл бұрын

OMG HAHAHAHA this comment is everything😂❤

@CrimZonOnYT

Жыл бұрын

​@@stephaniegalliart859 you ain't have to do him like that

"who's with me?" *literally no one*

@aleaf1494

Жыл бұрын

He really thought he said something

@VinVin_31

Жыл бұрын

@@SIRBACON5378 What kinda elementary school insult is that?

@terrencemoldern2756

Жыл бұрын

**Literally no one** **Likes: 23k** Looks like more then no one...

@NPC1173

Жыл бұрын

Me😊

@SpongyBus

Жыл бұрын

That what I’m saying

Homie really wrote, recorded and posted this and said “this is the one”

@babette5918

Жыл бұрын

He probably did... since this video is basically intended to recruit poor thinkers into his libertarian cult. If he attracts a couple people then he succeeded.

Homeboy closed his eyes everytime Viktor was onscreen

@brendatizianaalejoyave2393

Жыл бұрын

And Ekko

@kryokin9771

Жыл бұрын

And Caitlyn

@stuffynosepatrol

Жыл бұрын

And Greyson

@silver9wolf6

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, all of the above!

@Pratik-tk6ts

Жыл бұрын

Cute little Heimerdinger 🤗

"Eww, complex characters shaped by their surroundings"

@unicornwhale3807

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao, nice one

@tergartcunninghan2013

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, inherently bad (not good people) characters. It’s almost like it’s possible to be a good person in SPITE of one’s surroundings.

@BootyRealDreamMurMurs

2 жыл бұрын

@@tergartcunninghan2013 tf u mean? u saying the gang are inherently bad? bruh they literally werent--

@LiminalNostalgia

2 жыл бұрын

Overplayed themes and characters. Euphoria is a good example of a show that has this similar theme and beats a dead horse. It’s not just there surroundings. Having Taboo/inherently immoral people doesn’t mean it’s a good show.

@MustardGuy161

2 жыл бұрын

@@LiminalNostalgia "Overplayed" isn't a valid criticism in this time and age. There's going to be a point where finding something completely original is nearly impossible. So what matters next is how well they execute it - Euphoria, in my opinion, didn't execute the themes well, whereas Arcane did. Well-executed concepts to me, are better than original concepts that aren't well-executed (though if you can do both that's better).

“Horrible people” …..you mean characters struggling with problems, trauma, and just trying to survive? Yeah ok.

@twinshiftyt

Жыл бұрын

Yea I wouldn’t say any arcane character is a “ horrible person” like in generic dramas when all the characters are full of flaws and no good traits. Everyone in arcane is very gray characters and captures the way a human works because humans are all gray. Nobody is purely bad or good. But if u look at arcane whit out an understanding that people aren’t just good or bad then yea it looks like a basic drama.

@Frosted_Over

Жыл бұрын

@@twinshiftyt exactly, I loved what they did with silko, when I started watching the show I was worried he would be generic villain number 3(evil just to be evil) [he isn’t even evil tho lol] but no, as the show goes on they add depth and motives for him and the show gets you to sympathize with him towards the end. Hell I even teared up when he died…

@sumonok7258

Жыл бұрын

This guy has not have a serious struggle in his life.0

@igotthatdawginme22

Жыл бұрын

Even if they were horrible people, there's no way he dislikes every villain in other shows he's watched, he has to like atleast one villain. It's not about the character's personality alone, but it's also about the development, and writing of the character.

@thedargon6899

Жыл бұрын

I would be a horrible person if I live in Zaun too

As the video went on all I could think was “Oh god he’s actually being serious”

@obi-twokenobi4861

Жыл бұрын

I legit thought this was an april fools joke or something

@DarksideJinx

4 ай бұрын

for real lmao

you lost us at " i hate all these kids"

@egyptianwerewolf1466

Жыл бұрын

Him: I hate these kids My brain: *blank* The video: *restarts* Me: Sorry, what did I miss?

@xa07_Editx

9 ай бұрын

frr

This screams “I only watched Act 1”

@botanicalitus4194

2 жыл бұрын

even in act one, the kids are.... KIDS. The are children that are starving and have no other way to survive than by stealing. They are not bad people, anyone who thinks so is extremely judgmental and privileged

@CrispyHulk1

2 жыл бұрын

This screams “I’m salty that I can’t love the show with everyone else, so I’ll pointlessly hate to make myself feel better”

@mustaki7620

2 жыл бұрын

@@CrispyHulk1 i mean, he's still allowed to state his opinion

@thirsty7281

2 жыл бұрын

@@mustaki7620 Yes. He is. He stated his reasons for his opinion and frankly, they are extremely easily pulled apart. His reasons are not sound and hence why no one agrees. Opinions are one thing, evidence and reasoning is another.

@mustaki7620

2 жыл бұрын

@@thirsty7281 yeah I disagree with what he was saying

This has a lot of “if you’re homeless just buy a house” energy

@dizzydaydreamwishes

Жыл бұрын

This, yes. ⬆️

@lei_4243

Жыл бұрын

Lmao yes

@book_wolf_1939

Жыл бұрын

So true

@space.fairies

Жыл бұрын

yeah i see it

@cedi5581

Жыл бұрын

@@mmmmmmkatata Ah, it's FEE, no wonder. I thought I told youtube to not show me their stuff.

“They were all morally grey and I didn’t like it.” Damn bro, that sucks

@reganh5223

10 ай бұрын

That’s how real people are. Morally grey. Nobody is 100% good. Wtf is this guy even talking about-

@willg3369

9 ай бұрын

It's his opinion. If you watch his channel you'll know how much he doesn't like morally grey characters

@reganh5223

9 ай бұрын

@@willg3369 Well, then he’s unrealistic in his expectations. Every single character in media is morally grey, if you look hard enough. His opinion is VERY lacklustre. He’s going to have a tough time looking for good shows to watch, because Arcane is definitely one of the best due to the fact that their characters so complex.

@willg3369

9 ай бұрын

@@reganh5223 I agree I disagree with his view on morally grey characters but in most of modern hollywood I would agree there are more of them than what they used to be (not saying it's a bad thing because there were plenty of moments when perfect characters are too perfect). But there are still plenty of good characters like Superman(talkin about the 60s comics not injustice version), Spiderman, mumen rider(one punch man), Leigh Anne Tuohy(Blind Side) , Dog (Puss in Boots), Hershel (TWD), Beth(TWD) and etc.

@Kurnhelios

9 ай бұрын

@@willg3369 L

"Who's with me" Everyone: 🗿

@A10gobrrrrrrt

Жыл бұрын

😂

That's like... the whole point of the show, my dude.

@TJCID22

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is that lately EVERY show has the same point. The only difference is that this one did it right, but even so it's not a breath of fresh air.

@DigiMyst

2 жыл бұрын

@@TJCID22 There are many shows that *attempt* to do what Arcane does, but very few accomplish this. That's what makes Arcane a breath of fresh air, because they managed to tell their story while making compelling characters.

@ltore1

2 жыл бұрын

He just wants a fairy tale

@thegloveofficial3838

2 жыл бұрын

@@TJCID22 more like the dude who made this video is ignorant and his favorite character is rey from star wars 💀 Raito bozo

@84updown

2 жыл бұрын

@@TJCID22 "lately every show has the same point" source: trust me bro

"these kids who are just fighting for their survival and therefore they're horrible"

@robopope7584

Жыл бұрын

They should obviously be good little children and obey the law and starve to death! SMH people nowadays have no morals.

Remember kids, keeping your mouth close is always an option

@jack_themansv4944

7 ай бұрын

Thanks @tywanhorton7703 😊

If youtube didn't remove the dislike counter I bet we'd be in for a laugh I am the most emotionless person you'll meet and I cried like a baby for this show man

@infinityc2859

Жыл бұрын

Saaame well I didn't cry that much because I dont cry but omg the beginning scene, when two characters who I will not name because of spoilers reunite, the last few scenes, little Viktor, the scene in episode three (you know exactly which one I'm talking about)

@Puppy_PawzZx

Жыл бұрын

Same I cried at episode three and almost all of the later act two episodes

@Wellshem

Жыл бұрын

Download the plugin. At the moment I right my comment, he has 23k likes and 11k dislikes.

@ericherde1

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, the Ekko/Powder fight could be used as a Turing Test. If you watched the whole show to that point and don’t at least tear up when he realizes that Jinx is still partly Powder, you aren’t human.

@kanyerahming

4 ай бұрын

Ep 3 almost made me cry and that almost never happens

This guy saw Robin Hood and was rooting for prince John lol

@kurpikakurta42

Жыл бұрын

LOL

@minkailulamin1304

Жыл бұрын

Loooool

@_DarkEmperor

Жыл бұрын

This guy is libertarian, he doesn't like taxation, You are probably aware that many libertarians tend to repeat phrase "taxation is theft". So, prince John takes money from the people via taxation and Robin Hood, takes back those money from prince John and returns it to the people. So, You are wrong.

@poker8086

Жыл бұрын

@@_DarkEmperor I think he knows prince John taxes people

@cedi5581

Жыл бұрын

@@_DarkEmperor just call prince John a ceo and he'll get behind it

I am so fucking glad that this comment’s section passed the vibe check… 😩😩

@mr.sandman4498

2 жыл бұрын

I know right? He presumably watched the entire season but despises the protagonists just because they're "bad." By this logic Plitover ruthless actions towards the people of Zaun are justified because they're "good" wealthy people.

@glassblueshard

2 жыл бұрын

Sameeee

@tafarithehooligan

2 жыл бұрын

Facts.

@Mxy

2 жыл бұрын

yeeeeeep

@19Ledor

2 жыл бұрын

I feel that. I just came from a video where someone claimed Heimedinger was a shitty character because we don’t see him live forever, mentor anyone or do science. And the comments boiled down to "okay fair point".

Flawed characters? Can’t have those! You have a child’s understanding of morality

@FEEonline

Жыл бұрын

If I believed what you think I did, maybe you'd be right. But that's not what I said.

@Lebpnguyen

5 ай бұрын

@@FEEonlinethen you might have said something that makes ALL OF US misunderstand you.

@mynameisonlytwoletters

3 ай бұрын

@@FEEonline TL;DR: I pretty much agree with you that the characters in Arcane are not good people. I feel like I should stick up for you a bit here, even if you don't need it, because I don't like seeing people yelled at for sharing their opinions. I don't really see the characters as good or bad, but I can understand the argument for both sides. In your video, I think the point you made was that the kids don't really seem to care how they affect others, so long as they can survive. I don't think that kind of behavior is productive. You listed a lot of characters that, I agree with you here, make some really bad choices. The only thing I'd change about what you said in your video is that I don't find it difficult to root for these characters. I may not understand or agree with the decisions they make, but I do feel like a lot of the characters are trying to do good. A lot of the crimes the kids commit is because they want to earn their keep, in a sense. That's something that I can admire in them, even if I think there's better ways of doing it. This is a very delicate definition of morality for me, though, because I don't believe that the end always justifies the means. Just to conclude, I think you made some very good points, and I agreed with a lot of them. To what you said about having more morally aligned characters, I think Caitlyn is a pretty good example of that, though she can be a little impulsive as well. I think this is just human nature, though. Most of the characters in Arcane are not good people. There's no real way around that. I admire you for recognizing that, and I also hope we can see a little less selfishness in season 2 between the characters, now that some of them kind of have something to lean on and no longer need to prove their worth.

@Girl-vx2ej

22 күн бұрын

​@@mynameisonlytwoletters well said

Bro thought he was watching my little pony tryna find some pure characters.

@PurpleSnapplBewwy

10 ай бұрын

Exactly

@peppamintteeeaa6962

4 ай бұрын

Even in mlp they make mistakes and move on from them and always have some sort of character flaw. I don't know wtf he wants to watch

"is no one else tired of movies and tv that are primarily centered escentially on bad people?" Not really tbh

@iareolmedo7838

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, im actually tired of the opposite, too many characters whom are either extremely evil for no reason or mary sues that feel so fake and emotionally deatached from the audience since there is no person like that in real life, even the most kind hearted and humble person in the world probably has done at least one not good or selfish thing in their life.

@darkrose7758

2 жыл бұрын

@@iareolmedo7838 is called being human

@derangedyarn6544

2 жыл бұрын

As far as I know there are two really popular shows about 'bad people' Bojack Horseman and Arcane (we ignore Sierra Burgess is a Loser because she has no excuse for being so terrible and annoying) both do well because the characters aren't perfect, you can sympathize with everyone trying to do their best in a bad situation and when they grow or fall deeper you can't help but feel a genuine reaction of "YES GET IT BAE" or "Oh no..."

@zir456

2 жыл бұрын

I'm actually tired of generic main character thinking His action was right even though He also Evil,

@zir456

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Selfish character

"anyone else sick of characters that are 3 dimensional and dynamic?" You want a character to root for? Root for Viktor, root for Ekko, root for fucking Heimerdinger why dont you.

@Grastiars1

2 жыл бұрын

I’m really sad that I am going to have to see Viktor slide into becoming a villain. He was my favorite character

@giorgiasegalla1558

2 жыл бұрын

@@Grastiars1 but he's a nice person for now, I can't really immagine how he could become a villain. I mean okei the transformation of his body through the hexcore but how could he decide to harm people? Why would he

@satan69

2 жыл бұрын

@@giorgiasegalla1558 i mean considering his character in LoL hes obviously going to im just unsure what the slide down into that is going to be like

@Weteperepe

2 жыл бұрын

@@Grastiars1 Pretty sure they're not gonna make him a downright villain like in the game, they're gonna make it a whole lot more complex and ambiguous and we're still gonna be so conflicted about what to think of him, like in Jinx's case for instance

@peachii3124

2 жыл бұрын

or just watch my little pony, lol

"I hate people influenced by their surroundings"

"all of the characters are bad people" bro will have a heart attack once he watches breaking bad

“instead of simply pondering on one when she gets home, she drops one” like she did that on purpose 💀 LMFAO

@horseoperamarker

2 жыл бұрын

“hmmm just found this weird blue glowing thing im gonna drop one of them and see what happens”

@arturzinurov4781

2 жыл бұрын

And he showed the visual of her *ACCIDENTALLY* dropping that stone like it supports his argument at all. How do you edit it in and say to yourself “yah it clearly shows dropping it on purpose”

@staywoke2467

2 жыл бұрын

@@arturzinurov4781 it’s like he’s talking out of his ass 🤭🤭

@user-gv7px1dt9g

2 жыл бұрын

@@arturzinurov4781 he had all the proof but lacked the critical thinking 😔

@lucematt335

2 жыл бұрын

And then wants to say that Jayce is the good guy like he didn't keep volatile explosives in an open container in an apartment building filled with people.

I'ts not easy to be a "good person" living in the society the show is setted on

@BraunStDenis

2 жыл бұрын

All Christians deal with those issues of a world that wants you to do questionable things. Many reject Christanity to not go though struggles, but a Christian alays need to carry their beliefs and go against what the world asks what you should be.

@nashnashnash8205

2 жыл бұрын

@@BraunStDenis While i believe this is true, this series is set in an entirely different world and not Earth (so angels nor god exist there) they do not believe in anything because there is nothing to believe in the first place, thats why any deed benefiting them is considered good for them because of their situation (not saying morally right but in their case it’s the logical thing to do following their situation in the undercity)

@BraunStDenis

2 жыл бұрын

@@nashnashnash8205 That’s what happens when people don’t believe in something.

@nashnashnash8205

2 жыл бұрын

@@BraunStDenis Exactly and in this case they have nothing to believe on.

@BraunStDenis

2 жыл бұрын

@@nashnashnash8205 morally grey areas suck. They always make the so called hero’s look like idiots since they constantly lie with the idea that I protects the people they care about, but it leads to more problems. I’m look at you Batman and nightwing from Young Justice. They don’t learn.😡

Of course a channel named “Foundation for Economic Education” would have the worst media takes about class and how it affects people’s lives lmaoooo

@erie9262

2 ай бұрын

I did not know the channel name stood for that. Lol

"Who's with me?" Literally no one. No one on the face of this planet is with you.

@FEEonline

Жыл бұрын

I mean... There's 21,000+ likes on this video, but sure.

@jannapeel9231

Жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline Oh yeah? And how many dislikes do you have on this video?

@bitbreaker_creator

11 ай бұрын

@@jannapeel9231look who didnt reply back lol

@Rikamiza

10 ай бұрын

​@@bitbreaker_creatoramount of dislikes possibly dropped harder than vanders body on the ground 💀

@bitbreaker_creator

10 ай бұрын

@@Rikamiza just like that kid jayce shot

this is a piss poor take. "main characters aren't acting within the law, therefore evil and we shouldn't be rooting for them"

@jonathacirilo5745

2 жыл бұрын

don't think that was his take. certain laws are absurd and immoral/unethical and thus should be broken, one can and should root for a characte who does just that, but on this case the characters were just robbing people and dammaging their property. that's pretty bad.

@ObeliskDemon

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathacirilo5745 if it's not his take then why'd he say it? it's still a piss poor take. you can think those things sure, but saying we shouldn't be rooting for them because "breaking laws is bad" in this specific case is ignoring all the other shows/movies that show the same thing (i.e. Aladdin's opening chase sequence). if he wants to go against this "trend" that's been around since even before the 80s I'd suggest he attack the trend, not a specific show

@EgoEroTergum

2 жыл бұрын

@@ObeliskDemon Naw dude, that's his point exactly. "Movies, TV, shows..." plural. He didn't leave out Aladdin, that's included. It's not breaking laws that make the kids bad, because in that particular case, it's not unjust laws that they're breaking. If they were breaking the law by say: Smuggling and selling necessities in a non-commercial district, or practicing medicine without a license in a community that had no doctors, that would be an example of breaking the law for the good of the community. Robbing people is just breaking the law for the sake of oneself, at the expense of those one *assumes* can afford it. It's only blind luck that the student they robbed didn't commit suicide after they destroyed his life.

@jonathacirilo5745

2 жыл бұрын

@@ObeliskDemon he didn't. not like you're putting it at least.

@ragnardodgion

2 жыл бұрын

His take was none of them had good intentions you can break the law with very good intentions like superheroes like Batman and Daredevil you know what they do is wrong in the Law's eyes but you root for them because they put their lives on the line for innocent people everyone in arcane is there for themselves which is why I didn't really have an interest for the show myself there is good writing there are complex characters but the characters don't have any good qualities to them scratch that they do have a good qualities to them but very few none of them would take a bullet for anyone unlike the examples I just gave you Batman and Daredevil that's what makes you like the characters even for all their faults they will end up always doing the right thing even when it isn't the most popular

“Who’s with me?” No one lmao

@zzzrrv

2 жыл бұрын

I can’t agree more

@mitchi8027

2 жыл бұрын

Facts.

@aliciasaniyya

2 жыл бұрын

lmaoo

@awesomedreamfangames8981

2 жыл бұрын

14k people :-P

@Relevart9169

2 жыл бұрын

Literally lmao

Arcane - **Has some of the best most well developed characters put to screen in the last decade.** This one guy - *”These characters are so bad, who’s with me?”* **Crickets**

If these are bad characters... it's literally impossible to write good ones

“i don’t understand class struggles and how those with power could be good people blinded by their privilege!!!”

@carelessdreamer

Жыл бұрын

He could’ve just said “I’ve been upper middle class all my life and the classism flew right over my head.” and that would’ve made more sense.

@noonelooksatusers

Жыл бұрын

frrr he is really sounding like a rich piltie,but i dont know how he missed caitlyn aka tue only major character (other then ren and her dad,grayson and ekko,minor ones) who has done nothing morally questionable.

@nugget814

6 ай бұрын

Stop trying to excuse crime

@vincentgeiszler3749

6 ай бұрын

@@nugget814silence bootlicker

@Viscous_Soup

4 ай бұрын

​@nugget814 .....my guy did you watch the show?

"Whos with me" *silence*

@BECAUSE_IM_BATMAN

Жыл бұрын

🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗

@pablosegura4375

Жыл бұрын

*cough*

@spoon6804

Жыл бұрын

*gust of wind*

@stuffynosepatrol

Жыл бұрын

Crickets

@Puppy_PawzZx

Жыл бұрын

Suddenly you see the shining of pitchforks and torches

*zooms in on an innocent toyseller* "Corrupt politicians" Bro :(

“All these characters are bad people!” Bro was watching Arcane with a blindfold on and his fingers plugged into his ears while screaming “La La La I can’t hear you!” every time Caitlyn, Ekko, and Vander were on screen 💀

“they are not morally pure i cannot relate to any of them” energy 🤨

@pessimist1635

Жыл бұрын

real

@debbie5839

Жыл бұрын

So true

@obi-twokenobi4861

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile Viktor:

“Don’t you hate it when characters are changed by their surroundings? You know, like IN REAL LIFE?”

@pequenaesposa3286

Жыл бұрын

"Don't you hate it when kids aren't prefect little angels forever and always like in a pathetic girl trope wattpad serious?"

“How can I be different today?”

@phuongvu527

5 ай бұрын

😂

Bro summoned an army And commuted online suicide at the same time

'These characters don't fit my personal preference, which makes them bad!' 😂

@zionleach3001

2 жыл бұрын

Criticism of Arcane in general. I have no problem with virtuous hero's or villains like Vicious from the original Cowboy Bebop. Just make them be 3-dimensional. Not a Mary sue abominations or incompetent cardboard cut-out.

@kaisertreu6276

2 жыл бұрын

@@zionleach3001 Exactly this. But this is the reason why Arcane was received so positively by so many people: It was different. It's characters weren't Mary sues or card board cut outs. They all felt like real people.

I usually like your takes, but I gotta disagree on this one. Saying every character in the show lacks any heroic values or motives, shows a woeful misunderstanding of the characters and story.

@needy3535

2 жыл бұрын

Idk how someone who makes video essays for a job could ever have a take like this and genuinely mean it. Dude needs to take a day off or something.

@evilblackcat6357

2 жыл бұрын

Aye, to write this take he either ignored the _entire_ context of the setting which influenced each characters decisions or progressions or just did it for hate-bait. Either way, it's just comes off as a lazy and shallow take.

@jobsidian4219

2 жыл бұрын

Those kids were stealing and killing for survival and the guy they were stealing from was just trying to make the world a better place. I don't see the reason why to hate them

@ArcangelZero7

2 жыл бұрын

@@jobsidian4219 If anything the story is a fantastic representation of how massive class disparity causes people to act in ways they'd much rather not, simply because survival as a "lower class" forces them to.

@easttowest7839

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArcangelZero7 Ah, the old "it's society's fault" excuse. Shakes off personal responsibility like a charm!

This is..... Really fucking stupid. These are characters that have suffered severe trauma, mental illness, and loss. That doesn't lessen their quality. Also being a thief isn't inherently a evil or bad thing. The characters in the show do it out of desperation and for survival. They literally have nothing, and thats part of the point. You do make sense in regards to the corrupt politicians though

Arguably, I believe that all of this characters are extremely well written. They are not "bad" because that is supposed to be the shows premise, they are bad because of the way they grew up. Vi and Powder's parents are dead, and they are forced to steal in order to keep themselves alive. Even though these characters grew up from a similar background, they all have extremely diverse personalities. And no, some of the characters ARE good. They are just FLAWED which shows a well developed character. Also this video focused on them while they are children, which only lasted three episodes.

@coldstuff9784

Жыл бұрын

Yep, definitely arguable. The show is pretty shallow. I can get that people who are having the revelation for the first time that life isn't pretty and people are 3 dimensional would love this show (it does look beautiful) but they just fck up some basic writing rules and throws away nuance for the sake of having a conflict, and then having those conflicts shrugged off. Like having Jinx roll her eyes at learning her adoptive dad did bad things. Like Marvel-levels of humour. I don't know. If you enjoyed it and learned some things from it, good for you. I personally didn't. And seeing the worship-levels here just rubs me the wrong way. It's NOT a perfect show.

@cedricl.marquard6273

6 ай бұрын

​@@coldstuff9784 Nothing's perfect. However if so many people truly seemed to enjoy the show, is it really bad writing because it breaks some rules? Because if so, then why are we writing? The same goes for music. If shit sounds good as hell to people from all different walks of life for a long time, then I'd say it's a good piece of music, no matter the rules broken or regarded. That being said, you of course don't have to like it.

The comment section gives me further pride in the fandom.

@ooiysen

Жыл бұрын

Yep. The fandom appreciates the show for its world building and amazing character development and portrayals. This guy definitely watched arcane thinking there was gonna be lots of fan service because of the game lmao

@soysource3218

Жыл бұрын

@@ooiysen Probably watches shows with 2 dimensional characters, basic plot and lots of immature jokes that aren’t funny. *Velma*

I think you'd get along really well with that "if you're homeless, just buy a house" girl.

@Relevart9169

2 жыл бұрын

Murdered him 😭

@devjlboy

2 жыл бұрын

“If you can’t afford gas maybe you should have bought an electric car”

@ninaym4587

2 жыл бұрын

I think y'all go well with "I don't like your opinion so it's not valid"

@whYLiE09

2 жыл бұрын

☝️☝️🤣

@DreamFearless

2 жыл бұрын

@@ninaym4587 hey now, don't invalidate my opinion just because you don't like it.

Genuinely a terrible take. It’s a grimdark story. The characters aren’t honorable knights in shining armor.

@davidlz830

6 ай бұрын

Nobody is

You missed the point of the show if you just deduce these characters as “horrible people”

So basically what you want is a generic Shonen anime where the main character is flawless, never gives up, and turns every villain over to the light with the power of friendship

@cupidsangel5472

2 жыл бұрын

he wants smile precure

@sergejcvetkovic9805

2 жыл бұрын

You just summed up every anime ever

@AkaiKnight

2 жыл бұрын

Why do people have to always go to the extreme as to make a counter argument, it’s so brain dead

@artemis5265

2 жыл бұрын

"Cough"naruto"cough"

@Zero-ej9re

2 жыл бұрын

@@AkaiKnight because his video is just wrong and he’s baised as hell🤣

"Who's with me?" Nobody man, i'm sorry, but this "bad characters" make this TV show a masterpiece BTW, why so much likes? Xd

@Allons-y.10

Жыл бұрын

Exactlyyy, it’s so refreshing to see a show with actually interesting characters that aren’t all perfect angels

@WriothesleySimp

Жыл бұрын

I have made the likes cursed >:)

@nxrth9463

Жыл бұрын

Everyone is technically a bad character to someone else in the series, no one is truly the moral saint hero and that makes the series more interesting.

@premiumheadpats4150

Жыл бұрын

@@Allons-y.10 I think that's how a lot of people feel.

@mauriciotecero1060

Жыл бұрын

Haven’t had a series like that hit me that hard in awhile

this is just a very surface level way of looking at things

I finally found it The objectively wrong opinion

“Worth rooting for” 🙄 u want a superhero movie go watch a superhero movie. Characters are allowed to be flawed, especially when the main characters had to become thieves in order to survive. Edit: I wanna point out, this man isn't sick of seeing unlikeable characters or bad writing, he just doesn't want to think about people less fortunate than himself. Too bad bro, people NEED to hear these stories so that shit can finally change, bc arcane's world is politically and socially very similar to ours in a LOT of respects.

@JoeMartinez18

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is... Many characters are worth rooting for. Take echo for instance... He created a natural Safe haven for Many people. Jayce... That tries his best to stay true to his morals, but has to play the politics game, Wander, Who tried It all to protect his people... There are many

@GameBreaker1055

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoeMartinez18 Viktor literally just tries not to die

@Opsity

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand what he's talking about. No one to root for? I was rooting for Vi, Cait, Ekko, Viktor, and Jayce the whole show lol

@pepperonipikachu5414

2 жыл бұрын

@@Opsity yeah it sounds like he just has a very subjective opinion but he’s treating it like an overplayed cliche. Like no? Considering the history of fiction in general, this is far from cliche.

@Relevart9169

2 жыл бұрын

@@GameBreaker1055 LIKE LITERALLY PLS

Man got ratioed so damn hard lmao

@kachiedits6231

Жыл бұрын

Facts lmao

"Who's with me?" *cricket noises*

@mariomoura5690

Ай бұрын

It's actually pure silence, not even crickets are with him

“Who’s with me” *crickets chirping*

Read the title, ran to the comments, yall did *NOT* disappoint 😂

@moonlightshine1479

Жыл бұрын

I did the same tbh

@space.fairies

Жыл бұрын

fr i made a comment myself, i cant *disagree* with this guy more

@doofus_l

Жыл бұрын

same

@evials9123

Жыл бұрын

@@space.fairies he’s right though

@space.fairies

Жыл бұрын

@@evials9123 is he tho?

At first i was like: "Hmm, a negative Arcane review? This could be eye opening" Then i was like: "Ok, this video is bullshit made by a 3 year old"

@kachiedits6231

2 жыл бұрын

I'm honestly glad the comment section vibe checked him because this was such a bad take

@Electric0eye

Жыл бұрын

Genuinely, I don't want to just bandwagon here..but I expected more than *this.* It's literally all act 1 footage too and his gripes are all so vague, I can't even tell if he watched the other 8.

@teresalaveglia8152

Жыл бұрын

If you want yo see a really good and constructive criticism of a bad scene in arcane I recommend 100% schnee, and his video "the worst scene in Arcane".

@kkkk-tu5tr

Жыл бұрын

@@teresalaveglia8152 that video was good

@eternal7912

Жыл бұрын

@@teresalaveglia8152 That wasn't even a bad scene though. I've enjoyed Schnee's takes on Arcane, but I just can't understand that one.

There once was a family of Christians who prayed everyday, led a wonderful life, then went to heaven. There ya go. Go write a compelling screenplay. I'll even forfeit the concept rights.

@JM-st1le

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 This guy definitely enjoyed such a beautiful story, because of course it's perfect. Everyone is doing just what they should and all those who aren't are the scum of the earth and should perish in eternal fire for their transgressions of course.

What Arcane does best is portraying REAL characters. No one is perfect. Some people steal but still are good people. They show that 'crimes' sometimes are inescapable or just mistakes. Welcome to the real world where not everyone is born with a accessibility to food, a roof above their heads and people who love them...

I can literally smell the classism in this guys voice lmao

@catsaregreat6314

Жыл бұрын

“Your stealing because you’ll starve without doing it?! I’m going to criticize you instead of the system that causes it!” -this guy basically

@jaybugo

Жыл бұрын

@@catsaregreat6314 funnily enough, his perspective of how he views the kids sort of hilights the very theme the show was trying to present 🤣

@kimmiewise1044

Жыл бұрын

@@catsaregreat6314 “Your taking someone else’s labor, resources and time because you’re too lazy to participate in society and give laborers their fair wage? Good on you! Keep stealing from hard working people and being lazy” - You apparently.

@catsaregreat6314

Жыл бұрын

@@kimmiewise1044 did you even watch Arcane? The system in that show is so unfair

@neneenenejrkerre1828

Жыл бұрын

@@kimmiewise1044 me when i dont watch arcane

"Aren't we tired of stories focusing around bad people? :(" no

@Relevart9169

2 жыл бұрын

The way the story is not even focused on bad people

@spinkeydinkey5513

2 жыл бұрын

Especially when we already have mad movies, books, shows, and so on centered around good characters. That’s literally the blue prints for literally any plot you can find out there.

@dantederi5062

2 жыл бұрын

Besides, it's not as simple as good and bad. This guy can't see "good" inside flawed characters.

@nocopyright-lalimusic3768

2 жыл бұрын

Arent ww tired of stories focusing around ... humans???? Anybody is perrfect

@horseoperamarker

2 жыл бұрын

not at all

Dude wants a Disney tv show where there a clear bad guy and good guy. Complex characters are too much for him and does not have to think

Nope. They're all really good characters with heavy characterization. The main thing why Arcane stands out (at least for me) is because EVERYONE is morally grey, everyone is shaped by their environment in their own ways. They're selfish and do things according to their beliefs. And yes, we don't resonate with their thought processes a lot of times. I feel it's a breath of fresh air because the protagonist is not necessarily nice and the villain is not necessarily bad. Everyone are right in their own perspectives. It's just their compulsions in life that made them who they are and i feel it's the most interesting thing ever because we usually don't see so many characters with such good backstories & characterization at such alarming numbers.

Arcane: A tragedy about horrible things happening with morally complex characters This guy: why they steal if protagonist hm? If main character why complex? hm? I hate these children raised in a bad situation for not being perfect. Who's with me? (This guy defending his take by just saying we "Missed what I was saying." has got to be the funniest sh1t I've ever seen, no we didn't bro, you just had a piss poor take and ya can't be mad when people point that out)

@ariqueslay

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯

@moodypeachhh

2 жыл бұрын

RIGHT 😭

@kachiedits6231

2 жыл бұрын

Fr I've never seen a show like arcane in all my life because this show really mirrors the real world And it makes you sympathize with even the villains it's very rare to see these kind of things in a show and even more rare for it to be done right

@sakurasensations4786

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, their argument bothers me. Like it makes no room for morality brought out of circumstance or how surviving is often more important to people than being polite and not stealing from rich folk. And how they immediately call the kids, “horrible people” as if moral ambiguity doesn’t exist. As if survival takes into account the input of others who are thriving and haven’t had to survive the same way for a day in their life. It comes off as lacking in empathy.

@noorshehadeh755

Жыл бұрын

comments like this one gave me the courage to report this guy, even tho he didnt do anything against KZread law

"These kids are THIEVES!!" Because they're starving hungry children who are forced to steal to survive. Did you not see the look on powders face when she found that sandwich? That kid was prolly gonna go hungry without it. Edit: To address the people claiming that the kids shouldn't be going hungry because Vander has a stable job in a bar that's always full... while Vander might have a relatively stable income as there will always be alcoholics in the undercity, the rest of the undercity is still dirt poor with little to no access to actual assets, such as an education, quality food, or doctors. Even if VANDER PERSONALLY has a bit of money socked away, he is still living in an extremely poor society with very very sparse access to resources to support him and his kids. He might have the money to pay for a doctor but do you think there would be a decent doctor anywhere in the undercity anyways? Regarding food, it's very reasonable to assume that food would be scarce as well in the undercity. The costs of transporting, managing and keep large quantities of food fresh to support all those people are overwhelming and likely not something the economy in the undercity is able to support. With all that factored in, let's not forget that Vander has 5 kids. Even in our society, it's crazy to expect a single dad to support 5 kids working at a bar. The problem here isn't Vanders personal finances, the problem is the society he lives in and what he has access to.

@hyporexx759

Жыл бұрын

They dont have to steal

@theoutsider-uj8ow

Жыл бұрын

They r too lazy to work

@UNOwen-pe1bj

Жыл бұрын

@@theoutsider-uj8ow nah

@JupiMeow

Жыл бұрын

@@theoutsider-uj8ow I hope you're kidding

@notaaronburr3177

Жыл бұрын

@@theoutsider-uj8ow nobody would accept them for a job up in piltover. Do you not remember how hard it was for Viktor to be respected in piltover bc he was from the underside?

I love Arcane alot and when I saw that this was going to give a negative review. I really wanted to understand your pov but this take ain't it....

@FEEonline

Жыл бұрын

I liked the show. So it's not really a review. I just didn't like this aspect.

Bro literally nobody is “with you”. The whole idea of arcane is terrible people and good people are both people. They’ve been humanized and CHARACTERIZED. Not every show has to make every character an op anime protagonist. Vi is human and reacted harshly towards powder because she LOST HER WHOLE FAMILY WHEN SHE WAS A TEENAGER. Even then, she was immediate in turning back to save her sister. Powders theme is “no matter how hard you try sometimes it’s not good enough” and where were u during episode three when the kids were risking their lives to save their father? I get Jayce is not too likeable, but it’s supposed to be that way. Climbing through the ranks into corruption. Plus Caitlyn and Viktor are the sweetest characters. You clearly did NOT watch the show, you slept through all the good character moments.

Can’t handle characters dealing with reality trying to survive

@ThanosDestroyeryearsago

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up bruh

@fulloflovelust9477

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThanosDestroyeryearsago Go cry about it😭

This made me scream. The amount of dumb and "I only watched 1 episode" energy this is giving off is so annoying.

@Kokdee

2 жыл бұрын

Right? his take is catpiss

@night4263

2 жыл бұрын

Even the dudes that only watched 1 episode would say that his take is piss poor

@beaggressive1652

Жыл бұрын

@@night4263 As a person who is extremely busy right now and has only had time for episode one, This dude is so dumb. I don't even know the whole story yet and I don't agree with him.

Arcane was good. Your judgement wasn't.

They are not bad, they're poor 💀

“I want a Mary sue” that’s what I got from this. This also ignores the fact Caitlyn and viktor exist.

@luicifiero

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure about Viktor, He's a good person yeah but he's self destructive.

@justacat869

2 жыл бұрын

Even Caitlyn forged a letter to release Vi out of prison. Does that make her a bad person? No. But the problem is that he immediately categorises people who do something illegal as "bad". Arcane succeeds because its characters cannot be confined to just one moral alignment, i.e. this character is Lawful Evil, that one is Chaotic Good etc. Arcane has complex characters in a corrupt world which make you wonder what would you do in their situation.

@ihaveadegreeinmemes6377

2 жыл бұрын

@@luicifiero He just wants working class rights he's a pretty good person

@jjju3

2 жыл бұрын

@@justacat869 agreed. Legal does not equal moral.

@chlotato8237

2 жыл бұрын

Also ekko

"Is anyone else tired of characters that have any level of moral depth whatsoever?" no. no, we're not. that's literally just you.

@zigzag9197

Жыл бұрын

Can’t be tired of such characters when they aren’t present in the show 🤦‍♀️

@ursidae97

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he should be watching Fuller house

@smileyhappyface5864

Жыл бұрын

@@zigzag9197 Silco is a bad guy, Marcus is a neutral guy, and Vi is a good guy. What do you need, you bastard?

@zigzag9197

Жыл бұрын

@@smileyhappyface5864 damn not everything is black and white, most, if not all, of the characters are morally ambiguous

@smileyhappyface5864

Жыл бұрын

@@zigzag9197 Oh, I'm sorry. I misinterpreted your comment and thought that your "Can't be irritated with characters that aren't there" comment was directed at the op. I thought you were halfway agreeing with the guy who made the video and I responded with that. I guess the way I responded wasn't clear either and was obviously very rude, so I'm sorry.

Ngl i kinda thought that none of the characters being “good people” was one of the points of the show

Honestly what I loved about arcane is that everybody was good AND evil in a way. They all had trauma and had to decide to use their anger to fight or to fight with others in order to rebuild their community

Let's play: Spot the guy who absolutely missed the point of the whole series! First round......

@yaboirezzy

2 жыл бұрын

Short round isn't it?

@basesttoilets

2 жыл бұрын

@@yaboirezzy Yea the guy didn't get the point

@yaboirezzy

2 жыл бұрын

@@basesttoilets "What desperate kids who need to survive steal things to survive?! WHAAAAAT?!"

Nah man too many shows have “good characters” it’s rare to get a bojack in a show

@illeaturbrain3778

2 жыл бұрын

fr not every show needs to be a Disney movie 💀

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

It's not rare to get a Bojack at all... Breaking Bad Game of Thrones Dexter Orange is the New Black House of Cards True Detective Mad Men Californication 24 Shameles Ozark Peaky Blinders Boardwalk Empire The Sopranos American Horror Story How to get away with Murder You Squid Game And about a thousand other series that are not nearly as good as any of these, but which are centered around horrible people as a substitute for smarter drama. ...It's rare to be as good as Bojack and some of these series. Arcane is not as good as many of them. But it is not, in any way, unique or original to have a series that depicts most people as morally compromised or outright bad.

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

In fact, feel free to name some shows primarily about "good characters" that aren't substantially compromised. Even series like Loki and Wanda Vision were about a mass murderer/terrorist who nearly destroyed Manhattan, and a woman who enslaved a town for months because she was sad. So watching Disney shows doesn't really do the job either.

@SLYKM

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline interesting that you bring up Marvel considering your main point. So like...basically every Marvel show or movie other than Wanda Vision and Loki lmao and that is considered some of the most successful properties.

@Soap0027

2 жыл бұрын

@Foundation for Economic Education More than half the shows you named have are (or were) on Netflix. I have a sneaking suspicion that your point of view might largely be tailored by an algorithm looking through your watch history and showing you anything and everything similar that it can.

I would rather say I’m sick of series and movies that defied the characters into groups of bad and good, cause there’s no human being that’s perfect and we all struggle with smth

You’re the kinda guy to let the law dictate your morals, arent you?

Ah yes, let’s go to bland “good vs evil” narrative and not explore the morally ambiguous place that our environment and upbringing brings us to. Bad take

@kachiedits6231

2 жыл бұрын

I'm saying He saying this shows theme is generic and boring when this kind of story telling is rarely seen and even more rarely done right But somehow good vs evil isn't boring lol

@emy4843

2 жыл бұрын

@@kachiedits6231 wtf are you even trying to say

@noorshehadeh755

Жыл бұрын

The fact that there isnt really good or bad in arcane makes it special

You could've saved yourself a lot of breath by saying you understand the complexities of ethics, morality and humanity as thoroughly as a kindergartner understands quantum physics. What makes someone a good person is far, far more nuanced than if they never do anything wrong or morally questionable. And even the worst people are still at their core human.

@flowergirl5582

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you this. Genuinely how he comes off. He sounds boring and classist.

@Nobody-hw6jv

2 жыл бұрын

Beatyfuly said. Pretty savage, but so elegant.

@Dotoku14

2 жыл бұрын

I agree other than betrayal. Like cheating. Cheaters aren't human.

@facundomontivero2299

2 жыл бұрын

"And even the worst people are still at their core human" And sometimes, that's the scariest part.

@manonn2006

2 жыл бұрын

Lol.. “even the worst people are still at their core human” what does that mean? They are human as in humane or they are human as in our species? Cause if you mean that even the worst people have some form of “good” inside them- I bet you haven’t seen many bad people both in real life and in documentaries.

This reeks of i grew up rich lmao

I feel like you might not realise that the show was supposed to have (or at least they succeeded) at making extremely realistic characters with real problems and real reactions. These characters are made to come of as just that, Human. And if u want perfect characters you might as well go watch another show buddy

This makes me admittedly sweaty. I will try to elaborate. Caitlyn: a detective who enjoys the chase and wants to be promoted on her own merit. Jace: wants to improve the world, and always keeps his morals in sight despite maneuvering in political corruption. Viktor: literally just wants to heal people. Heimerdinger: wants to make the world a better place within cautious guidelines. Ekko: protecting poor people Vander: also protecting poor people, and looking out for those close to him in a dangerous world. Vi: yes, she stole as a child, but her motives were caring about her sister and her actions were “assisting a detective in bringing down a crime lord”. I gotta head out but I’ll be back to add more

@ArcangelZero7

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU. You basically saved me a paragraph or two of my own. I love the characters because they have motive. Many of them live in a crapsack world and they do their best to be "good people" DESPITE how the world constantly punishes them. Sometimes they fail to do good, that's something we can all relate to, right?

@a199719971997

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArcangelZero7 agreed bro. And, this is just a personal note (idk how everyone feels), but i dont think Vi and Jinx and their friends were evil at the beginning. Yes. Stealing is a crime. They should not do that, but also children should not starve or be forced to live in poverty. And even then, stealing from some lab--while yes, is criminal--isn't like balls to the walls evil.

@ArcangelZero7

2 жыл бұрын

@@a199719971997 Absolutely! I too enjoy good clear-cut "good guy/gal" characters, but rarely is life that simple right? It's almost like the expectation is that rough orphan kids in the slums are "bad" because their choices are "loot food" or "starve." Honestly I love Vi and Jinx. Does Vi love fighting? Sure, maybe that's not "good-gal" in itself, but she learned to enjoy being the best to defend herself and her family, because she grew up in constant violence. We all want a big sister like Vi. And Powder is like any of us: She just wants to be helpful and loved and appreciated. Jinx is just that same child who snapped and found that false appreciation and love with a bad influence. How many of us have realized we followed the wrong parent figure or mentor who was bad for us all along? How often have we seen best friends in abusive manipulative relationships? This show CLEARLY isn't a "horrible people doing horrible things to each other" fest like typical Showtime/HBO/Starz faire. Heck I'm still rooting for Jinx. Like damn she's done some awful stuff but that's why it's compelling : I will watch 15 seasons to see her forgiven! That's the theme I'm hoping the whole show takes on: The power of repentance and forgiveness in spite of our sins, because none of us are "good guys" except in our own heads. We're all flawed, broken creatures trying to live up to unattainable standards. Sorry that got ridiculously deep LOL. But yeah total agreement with you. :P

@Iznikroc

2 жыл бұрын

@@a199719971997 but they were not stealing to feed themselves, they were stealing to prove themselves by being able to plan and pull off a job. they literally live with a father figure who runs a bar and the city(though drug lord is amassing an army right under his nose).

@thomyoutube3478

2 жыл бұрын

Ppl here be like "they only stole to feed themselves"! I never saw them stealing from a kitchen.

Caitlyn : "Am I a joke to you?"

@moondiamond9340

2 жыл бұрын

And even Ekko, he’s trying to build a better place for people

@About37Hobos

Жыл бұрын

Caitlyn’s a cop for an oppressive government, and ekko leads a street gang, what makes arcane good is that it’s characters are complex.

@sowhatimsilly4827

Жыл бұрын

@@About37Hobos she’s trying to better the underside and protect people by being what’s essentially a cop being a member of a group of morally ambiguous people doesn’t automatically make you a bad person when you aren’t participating in the thing that makes them bad people

500k views and 23k likes. Man, not even removing the dislike count could save you from getting ratioed this hard.

Bro the characters are so brilliantly written in the story

I completely disagree, for me THIS is one of the serie's greatest points, so I came to the comment section to see if something went over my head... quite glad to see everyone as lost as me.

@noorshehadeh755

Жыл бұрын

Not one of the greatest, its the best, 1000000000000 times better than anything, gives you depression because its so beautiful you wish it were true

So imperfections make characters bad?! Thats what I'm getting from this at least

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

Deliberately hurting people makes characters bad.

@flashbarry6838

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline Ummm when they were stealing they never meant to hurt anyone, Powder accidentally dropped the gem which in turn caused an explosion....and when they fought those guys in the street it was in self defense

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

@@flashbarry6838 stealing *is* hurting someone!

@flashbarry6838

2 жыл бұрын

@@FEEonline Although that is true, you have to understand what they were coming from, they were stealing not because they wanted to but because they had to... they were stealing so that they could sell the stuff to get money. So there's an underlying reason as to why they stole.

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

@@flashbarry6838 everybody steals stuff so they can get money they didn't earn... Or just have the stuff they didn't pay for. The fact that the core characters were poor does not actually change the fact that stealing is wrong. It doesn't absolve them of doing bad things to others. It may make their actions more understandable and should probably result in more lenient treatment in a court of law... But it doesn't magically make them good people.

There's a difference between not liking a character because you're too privileged to relate and the character being bad. Vi is a good character and good person. It's not debatable. Jinx is an antivillain that everyone understands because we see her early life. It's not debatable. Jayce is good at first but started becoming worse because of situations he was put in, and Viktor is good. Outside of Silco and his cronies, Marcus, and the Medardas (All of whom are either supporting characters or clear antagonists) none of the characters are bad people. And if you don't like Jayce just because then nobody can take you seriously.

@ragnarian

Жыл бұрын

Even silco and his cronies and marcus are understandable Silco wants freedom for his people, outright rebellion failed before, and its clear from the council meetings that they ig orenthe undercity, hell, even jayces tools to help thr undercity would only be used to make them work more! Silco says to vander that he wants to scare thr topsiders inti giving them freedom, so his plan was ti be a paper tiger, bigger snd scarier than he looked, while making the undercity essentially ungovernable for the topsiders Marcus fucked up and gave silco thr info on vander, trapping himself under silcos thumb, and now he cant get out because his daughter is threatened!

@smileyhappyface5864

Жыл бұрын

@@ragnarian I agree completely. I just decided to go with "Willing to hurt innocent people = Bad" as my definition so it wouldn't look like I was trying to be way too contrarian by calling the antagonists good people.

Tell me you didn’t watch the show without telling me you didn’t watched the show.

Completely missed Heimerdinger's story arc. An old wise mentor who leads with grace and steps down when the political direction around him become untenable for his moral standards.

@soup331emd5

2 жыл бұрын

But Heimerdinger's moral standards have hurt people, and lead him and the counsel to ignore Zaun. Hell, he basically told Viktor to go die. Heimerdinger has made mistakes too.

@X23Natalie

2 жыл бұрын

@@soup331emd5 he didn't tell Victor to go die. He was trying to get him to accept that sometimes there are things that can't be changed no matter how talented, persistent, or good we are. It's something he's had to cope with for centuries watching good peoples lives begin and end countless times despite his own best efforts. Granted this perspective was an unreasonable one for Heimer to expect from Victor considering his own limited perspective but that doesn't make what he said any less true.

@kirinotosaki9004

2 жыл бұрын

@@X23Natalie I agree with you on Heimerdinger, but he did mistakes too. Because he is a magical being who's basically immortal, he isn't tied to anything related to time, he has no concept of time. Him telling Jayce and Viktor to wait 10 whole years labouring themselves just to make Hextech safe is just rude and probably sounded condescending to Jayce and Viktor, who one is literally dying and both are the geniuses who made a Scientific Breakthrough that can change their city forever. Though Heimer has a very valid reason to say that, saying that to Jayce and Viktor who are humans and Him not explaining it properly to them are his fatal flaw. (Telling them "Magic is not safe, trust me bro" is not gonna cut it)

@jjju3

2 жыл бұрын

He was kicked out? Heimerdingers story arc was about being _too old to understand suffering._ he, while incredibly kind, was unselfaware and willing to _let viktor die_ before he ever got to see the fruits of his labor. He had time, humans dont. He is removed from the council, _voted out_ because of his lack of awareness to human life. He didn't choose to leave. *he had a flaw, that jayce recognized and removed him for.* This doesn't make him bad. This doesn't make jayce good. It simply enunciates how nuanced every character in this show is.

@kirinotosaki9004

2 жыл бұрын

@D. Va Im not saying its rude for us viewers, Im saying Heimerdinger telling Jayce and Viktor that, came out rude to them because Heimer doesn't consider that they're humans that die for a very short amount of time (Viktor is literally dying because he's sick, so that's a additional factor). I will admit yeah Jayce and Viktor are literally building weapons for war but, all of the characters in this show are not flawless, they make mistakes but those mistakes align with their ideology and POV in life and that's what makes them great characters.

"NOOOOOO I can't like any of these characters they're not law abiding citizens and not on the good side!!!1!1!1"

@pessimist1635

Жыл бұрын

lmfaooo

“This show expects me to sympathize with hungry traumatized kids trying to live better lives” uhuh ok

Damn were you raised in a world made of cotton candy?

I feel like you're forgetting about Caitlyn, she was one of the characters who was legitimately a good person and was trying to do the right thing throughout the episodes

@angelopouIos

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but even so she has her prejudices against people from the Undercity. She's progressing but she's still viewing the progress of the Undercity from the viewpoint of a privileged enforcer. The great thing about arcane is that the characters mean well, but they're actually neutral as theur perspectives make them villains in the eyes of other people.

@goldybays

2 жыл бұрын

@@angelopouIos I think she's definitely alot better at that as of where she is in the show. At this point, I think she just has very strong emotions about how the undercity has been treated and wants to do justice for both sides. She grew up I a privileged place, but she's done a good job tearing those mindsets down and viewing everyone equally, humanity wise.

@heiligekiwi7793

2 жыл бұрын

And what about Ekko? I wouldn't say he is bad, even though coming from Zaun...

@supermutantsam1160

2 жыл бұрын

I do wonder if this guy thinks Caitlyn became a bad character when she forged a release form to get Vi out of prison. He seems to think that any character who bends or breaks the rules is bad by default, so it’d be funny to hear if his views go that far.

@kachiedits6231

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone has a flaw hers is that she was raised in a privileged and wealthy environment and was just like everyone else when it came to their views on the undercity It was only after meeting vi when she started to change

The part with the kids tho, they're living in poverty and dying. They have to steal to survive. You can see it as a criticism of their surroundings and the circumstances they live in. Stealing for the sake of it is bad. Stealing because they need the money, is okay because they need it to survive. Also, Powder was like 7. Any 7 year old would play with a shiny thing they found

@carolinemcguire6224

2 жыл бұрын

This was my thought too. The characters outright say that they’re stealing because they need the money to feed themselves and because the people they’re stealing from have so much wealth that it literally doesn’t matter.

@jaythewriter7625

2 жыл бұрын

@@carolinemcguire6224 Exactly, it's just looking at the show and taking it for face value. They all seem terrible if you look at their actions, instead of their motivations

@jaythewriter7625

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickawp8909 exactly. That's my main problem with this video. If you want characters who are good all the time, watch a Disney movie. I like how the characters are complex and you can't say any of them are good or evil. If you refuse to see the motivations, then you're going to look at it through a black and white way. That's what I enjoy about the show.

@Relevart9169

2 жыл бұрын

No need to argue with someone whos just posting "controversial" opinions for the sake of clout

@FEEonline

2 жыл бұрын

Show me where they need to steal to survive. They have a place to live, a father figure who runs a clearly successful restaurant/bar, and who is a major figure in the community.

Every character is a victim of circumstance...