I was able to examine a lean-steer trike at a fair in Maine, it was a Steintrike Wild Wave I think. It tended to flop over at rest. Your design seems so much better and has less parts. This is genius and it seems like the riders weight actually helps to hold the trike straight. I think this is amazing.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. There’s videos of other leaning trikes out there. For some reason the inventors think the lean has to be independent. Every one of them has the “lock over” issue where once you get past a certain point it’s nearly impossible to recover. Another point is; with all the linkage rods and extra hardware, there is too much play in the pivot points and if not when new, after awhile the slop will develop. A lot of thought went into them so I don’t “knock” them, but you can easily overcomplicate a simple design.

I love this AR3 steering mehanishm . never seen this before. Thank you.

I love it. Something akin to vertical Ackerman steering using indirect linkage between wheels but direct steering of the main pivot. I don't know how to describe it but I replayed the steering part of the video over and over to try and grok the 3D motion that's happening.

Genius!!!! So simple!

Great Project! greetings from Poland!

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

You’re a genius. This idea is brilliant 👏👏👏👏

Excellent video

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the visit

Nice! Would love to see it with suspension, ofroad wheels and series hybrid propulsion

Thanks for sharing. Awesome engineering. I’ve seen Bowhead and Stein Trikes try to tackle this, but the front suspension makes it too complex and probably too heavy as well. A rear suspension and maybe just larger tires would help with dampening for this design. The steering dampener really makes this design stand out for me. I’ve seen so many of the other designs not address the issue of over tilting. However, for the sake of design, aesthetics and parts availability, I would like to see a traditional round tube boom in front of the steering dampener. I can’t wait to see the evolution of your design in the future. Good luck!

very nice video

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

That’s the best system l have seen by far 👍👍👍❤

Impressed haha, a very novel design. Reminds me of a skate board. Center Lean converted to axel pivot concept anyways. Looks somewhat similar but you accomplish the tilt with the wheel tilt which must have been some real trial and error 😂 great job man I’d be interest to see this on something motorized with some suspension but still it’s nice to see an original idea in action!

@theotherebikeguy1473

Жыл бұрын

I redesigned it in aluminum with a built in motor mount behind the rider and rear suspension. It'll just take a sizeable investment to build a batch...

Very good idea. It's a quite easy way to get the trike tilting. With not to many parts and natural self centering. There sure may be many advantages on fast roads. But the steering angle seems to be quite little. Can you show us this bike in action? Fast and narrow corners?

Intriguing. I disagree about the leverage of the handles on the standard trike. It appears it would not be the vertical distance between the handle and the kingpin, but the length of the radius about which each handle rotates, which is a horizontal moment.

thanks

I'm the guy who wants to build a trike or two like this from scratch. I can see how the reverse angled headtube relates to the lean of the frame and the angle of the axle tube and how the tie rods push and pull to make the wheels lean. I have some questions. - What is the angle of that headtube with the frame? - It looks like the tie rods connect to the frame such that they are offset outward slightly from the center line. Is that what makes the inside wheel in a turn lean more than the outside wheel? - I think in another video on Gary Solomon's channel you mentioned that you used chrome-moly steel tubing. What size sq. tube and wall thickness is the frame? - Any thoughts on using aluminum for the frame? As I mentioned on another channel I have a son who is a professional welder-fabricator. He also rides a trike and is intrigued by your design too.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve had many different designs I experimented with years ago. Part of the fun was experimenting with angles and levers and it really helps you understand what you’re doing and why. It’s kinda like a food company giving away their “secret sauce”. Any bits of info I’ll be giving away will be on the website along with another in depth interview with Gary coming in the near future. Thanks for your interest.

@SolarizeYourLife

6 ай бұрын

Your website is gone, as seems to any ability to buy this trike...

Brilliant. Is it possible to add suspicion to this type of steering?

Appreciate the video. Would like to have a comparison of the indirect steer (common on ICE) as compared to the direct steering shown on the KMX in video.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kit. I’ll see what I can do...Dave.

@data9309

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the update. I have a Trident Stowaway that scrubs when turning, and a HP Velotechnik which does not. Both have indirect steering. The HP Velotechnik seems to be much more stable as well even though it is fully suspended.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

No worries, I wonder if you could compare the Ackerman on those two to get to the bottom of why the HP doesn't scrub. Do you know how to check the angles?

@data9309

3 жыл бұрын

@@theotherebikeguy1473 no

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

@@data9309 watch the vid and note the angle of the control arms. Photograph your trike from above at a distance. (Stand it up on end and prop it) Draw a straight line from the center of the kingpins to the center of the tie Rod ends. The line(s) should intersect where your rear wheel normally touches (wheelbase). The photo in the video should give you an idea of what it should look like if correct.

With the AR3 design is it possible to add a full suspension component and more ground clearance for comfort and control?

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

I have the suspension concept “on paper”. The rear is simple.....I think if the design in its present form supports it, financially it will enable me to refine and lighten it. I’m meeting a composite carbon expert. It’s not too far off to say CF is close in our horizons. Stay tuned, share and patronize to help get this out...

Great job! What about the braking influence on steering?

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Actually I have experimented with both linked brakes using Hybrid cable, "T" linking the hydraulics, and found the independent hydraulics work best. Many keyboard engineers will claim "bump steer" and negative independent brake issues, however the best way I've found is independent because you have so much control over it. It's an integral part of the control as the attached tie rods stabilize the center pivot action due to the center pivot also operating in the (Z) axis

Hi I really liked your ideas. I've a kmx that is skittish just like you said, how can I improve the tie rods in the manner of yours. Thanks

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Alex! Check out Lost Recumbent 2 & 3 I believe it may show closeups of the parts. I’ll check and see if I have the CAD drawings of those plates.

@alexsmith358

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I see the plates you’ve added, it would be great if you could let me know a little more.

... looks like a well considered design. All flaws of the standard tadpole-setup seem to have been adressed ... Any chance the bike will be available in europe ? Shipping it as a kit, mabe ? Thx for uploading such detailed videos on your work ! 👏🏼👍🏻

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

I would love to get this design to a worldwide market. Please visit my website often to get details of what’s happening. When I designed it I made it break down into two equal 41” long main parts for economical shipping. I will update the logistics as soon as we find a economical shipping agency. Thank you for stopping by and make sure you subscribe then share it, to get the news out there.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

I shipped my first kit to Australia for a shipping cost of $450 USD. (depending on your location I could use a postal code to check)... I'm having a Dealer Cost Sale going on now if you'd care to check it out...

Hello David. are the AR-3 still available? if not, i'd lvoe to have some images on the steering mechanics; i'd like to make one. greetings

The wheels move fore and aft when steering. That means a force like a bump on one wheel will induce steering forces. Is that under control with this mechanism? Otherwise nicely executed idea!

Is the indirect steering that all trike manufacturers provide considered the AR3 ?

It seems to be a very good idea, i am very curious to the suspension of this trike. For example.....is it possible to drive in full speed a 10 cm difference? I allso was wondering about the track wide? With friendly regards Arie vd Kaaden

@theotherebikeguy1473

Жыл бұрын

Arie. I have redesigned it recently to include rear suspension. It has a 34” front track and the total width is 36”. I don’t fully understand the question; is it possible to drive in full speed a 10 cm difference…

Where would buy the chains for those bikes? They're extra long or do you just add two normal chains together? Good video

@lise1255

Ай бұрын

You just use regular chains that suits the cassette and put them together to required lenght. I usually buy 3 chains with 136 links for my Azub fat trike. I think it's about 325 links long.

@marksadventures3889

Ай бұрын

@@lise1255 Thank you so much. Just the information I needed. Very much appreciated. Subbed.

Both the kazebike and kazibike domains appear to be dead.

I need help to like set the wheels true and straight and how to sort out a few things where I'm going wrong with the front wheels and the steering

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry. This only refers to the AR-3.

@ghostmandeak7305

3 жыл бұрын

@@theotherebikeguy1473 I'm building mine from scratch and its hardwork pal

Leaning trikes are the future of three wheeled vehicles, safer and more fun.

@theotherebikeguy1473

2 жыл бұрын

After resurrecting the idea and riding it for 3500 miles in the last 20 months, I would see no reason to ever go back to a conventional tadpole. The Idea won't work on a car, which is why we have the other steering, but it's perfect for a three wheeler.

What about independent suspension? I don't see any suspension.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the question. It’s in the works. I’m taking this one metric at a time. There will definitely be an innovative simple suspension system available within the year. We’re also working on a minimal body starting with a luggage nacelle and belly pan.

How about indirect steering dynamics

7:49 Caption says "craft test" instead of "crash test".

l see that a regular recumbent trike with vertical kingpin ,and your trike has horizontal kingpin .My question is can you lean your kingpin back 45 degrees an would there be any benefit to building your trike this way ? l am thinking that the wheels would lean easily an maybe use this method on a regular trike turning it into another version of a leaning trike ?

@theotherebikeguy1473

Жыл бұрын

Yes good observation, They are tilted back to give the front wheels what we call "trail".

Please Dear, where I can find this part. Thanks

@theotherebikeguy1473

Жыл бұрын

Which part are you referring to?

awesome are you making and selling these?

@theotherebikeguy1473

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Please visit the website KAZEbikes.com. We're shipping these all over the planet. Shipping cost can be challenging if your country has duty tax but otherwise reasonable...

Doesn't the wheel touch the seat and driver while at turning at the tightest radius? And how about turning at slow speeds? Tilting is perfect for higher speeds, to retain stability, but at lower speeds it seems a tad uncomfortable

@theotherebikeguy1473

2 жыл бұрын

The wheel never touches the rider but the handlebars will in extreme lock. I believe it explains the "bump stop" adjustment in several videos which limits how far it comes back. I'm not sure I understand "uncomfortable at low speeds"... I have a video of myself in a figure 8 lock to lock at low speed. you can see how smooth the wheels react and the ease of handling. If you look in my list, called "FIGURE 8". kzread.info/dash/bejne/X6SdxrN_qZSynZs.html

Hi my friend I'm currently building a recumbent trike at my parents garden I've done it all by eye pal I made like legs for the wheels pal to bring my wheel axle up near my head sets for my steering to lower my bike but its failing on me every time I try to ride it but with out a like tracking rod or a steering rod so when I pedal the wheels pull inwards and has snapped my welds twice I need some help my friend I do have smaller bmx wheels but the need all the rubber tyres and inner tubes I need some help mate please help me cos I'm failing mate its killing me mate its really hurtful as I have my father saying its rubbish as he doesn't think I'm capable but I have done everything by eye mate and it's not been easy I am going to go up tomorrow and just put the smaller rims in and just see if that's more stable mate but the big wheels are failing on me please help me out buddy stay safe and take care yeah bye

There is considerable change in wheel base when steering this trike, much like the rope steering central pivot steering billy carts of old, not sure that is desirable. Also, what happens when you hit a hole in the road?

@theotherebikeguy1473

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your question... There is so much more going on with the steering linkage than your example. It resists bump steer by the tie rods being connected to the main frame. To move the wheel back when hitting a bump, it also has to tilt the whole frame. The motion has to transfer to the frame being held back by the weight of the bike and the 200 lb. rider. Hope it makes sense...

@Jansoom

Жыл бұрын

@@theotherebikeguy1473 thanks,that mitigates some of the impact issues, but I still wouldn’t be a happy rider. On the geometry / engineering side changing wheelbase while steering is not acceptable. I was a builder, team manager, scrutineer for the Australian HPV series, and these trikes do not meet scrutineering requirements.

@SolarizeYourLife

9 ай бұрын

Damn @Jansoon I don't know what your problem is, but the wheels are only following their respective radius...

why did you keep the bars in the front adjustable and not fixed? Yes a wheel that is tilted, will scrub way less and will automaticly make a corner. The amount of tilt, makes the size of the corner. The tilting system is always better than a non tilting system in cornering. I like the design.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. You are correct, the name I'm implying is "Hybrid Steering" for that reason. Good eye...Dave

@emiel1976ep

3 жыл бұрын

@@theotherebikeguy1473 Ok so you can set it to more or less tilt of the front wheels and change the steering that way.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

@@emiel1976ep yes. If you look closely you can see the additional mounting holes which will give you dozens of tuning alternatives.

@emiel1976ep

3 жыл бұрын

@@theotherebikeguy1473 that is nice. This makes that you can set it to the environment where you ride or what you personally preferences. It is the most simple tilting system that you can build on such a trike and that are often the best designs. You don't ad that much weight, if you even ad weight with that system as with other systems. Have you ever thought of adding rear suspension, raising the seat a bit and adfing a rear luggage carrier so you get more of a tilting trike that you can use to travel with?

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. The trike you see is a limited production with the moniker AR-3x, which implies “experimental”. The frame splits (front and rear) to pivot for a) suspension and b) folding. One metric at a time...

7:38 Caption says "chipwood" instead of "chitwood".

I don’t know anything about your design other than what I see here (a customer referred me over to this video for review). Your design is fascinating, but when you start by comparing it to a KMX, stating that the KMX represents what you see on your typical recumbent trike, you have lost me. KMX in no way represents what you see on today’s refined recumbent trikes from ICE, HP Velotechnik and Catrike. I’m not saying your design is bad. Rather, I’m saying your comparison is spurious and leaves me in doubt about any claims you make following that comparison. Best of luck with your design! It looks fascinating. Bring it out to RCC so we can try it out!

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

You’re correct. I had nothing else to compare it to. The KMX is not even in the class of the trikes you mention. I simply didn’t have one to show and I never quoted “the KMX was the typical recumbent”... I’m trying not to show bias to any steering because most people take it for granted and don’t understand it especially when it comes to Ackerman. What I was showing was that type of steering...they all possess kingpins, control arms and some sort of tie Rod or link to the steering. I’m not bashing the typical recumbent..had I not invented this steering, I would be riding your aforementioned machines. Please don’t misunderstand, I LOVE ALL BIKES..

When you came up with it did you get a patent on your reverse angle headtube? I came across this video today. I don't know if you've seen this but it uses the same type reverse angle headtube to facilitate a tilting trike. They did not incorporate any means to tilt the front wheels, however. Only the frame tilts. The person claims a patent on the design. The design seems fairly recent. Your design is much older. kzread.info/dash/bejne/k6KVx6yih6zfqto.html One link in this video seems to be a dead link (shecycle) and the other goes to, I'm guessing, a Chinese site.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

The most recent design was patented. The neck is not notably patentable by itself but adding the entire apparatus was. I learned much about patents along the way. Most of it during the search with all the other tilting designs.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Tom. I searched it out and it is not patented according to an extensive patent search especially due to China not honoring patents. Also, that slight angle, without the linkage to tilt the wheels makes me think the inventor died in a terrible crash....

@thogevoll

3 жыл бұрын

@@theotherebikeguy1473 Yeah I know about China. They don't honor patents from outside China and will not grant patents to anyone who is not Chinese. They willfully steal patented ideas and sell the products as their own.

@jean-paulallaume8640

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/qGiDsKScfJSwfps.html

@chrisridethatbloodything2044

Жыл бұрын

The design in this other video is quite useless. The Rider tilts only when he turns the sreering over 30 degrees. So the tilting only works on the parking lot. And not in fas corners when you need it.

can i buy frt kit to install on my trike?

@ferventheat

3 жыл бұрын

Who knows, be nice to see it!. But I was thinking it may be possible to attach a DIY frame boss where the main king pin should go (if the crossember part of frame for the two wheels dismantles, as it does in my trike), and some well thought out brackets for the kingpins either side. I will try to experiment at some point, as it would be a cool modification. Also check out Daniel G's channel with his leaning 'delta' trike. This would give similar grip in the corners but presents a narrower width of bike, so aerodynamics would be better than the typical velomobiles, IMO.

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

I tried that with another trike wit poor results.

@ferventheat

3 жыл бұрын

@@theotherebikeguy1473 thanks for the feedback 👍. Will make some bits to ensure Ackerman steering,

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve tried to redesign the leverage on the standard recumbent several times by adding those “scab plates”. There you can easily change them for different tie Rod end locations. I found that Ackerman is more of a theory, and won’t solve most of the stability issues of the standard steering system but it’s a good place to start.

Can one convert standard steering recumbent to this design?

@theotherebikeguy1473

Жыл бұрын

I wish I could. I would sell a million… I have a redesigned it using aluminum tubing and rear suspension.

@chrisridethatbloodything2044

Жыл бұрын

@@theotherebikeguy1473 with the steel tubing of the kmx trikes it may be possible to build a kit where the old axle has to be cut off and the new axle would have be to welded in. But the regular kmx owner might not be the one who wants to invest so much ...

Quisiera ver.en castellano por favor

Looks like your trike has a version of indirect steering, yet you compared it to a trike with direct steering. To me that is being a little deceptive. I do believe the lean of your suspension is an advantage but you should have compared it to an indirect steering trike. You build trikes so I'm sure you know the difference.

@theotherebikeguy1473

2 жыл бұрын

Hey William, thanks for watching this video...You mention this is some sort of indirect steering and why didn't I compare it to indirect steering. You also thought that was deception, however... If you watch the video again you will see this is direct steering in its purest sense and that's why I compared it to the standard direct steering. If you think this thru, you'll see there is no other steering that compares with it. You may also want to note that I do mention it in the video but because I did not have one available to film, I could only mention it. Hope this clears up your concern.

Nice design. Your measurement says USA, your accent says Ohio? Greater Chicago?

@theotherebikeguy1473

3 жыл бұрын

Thx. Haha. Wisconsin.

What happened to your company??? I think you are a genius engineer... And, you kept it simple, 'stupid'...as the saying goes.... I think you should sell your design to one of the (american) recumbent trike companies...

Tadpoles are tricycles, not bicycles.

Buh bye. That’s a POS direct steering effort.