Apple iMac M1 2021 Worth It? For Illustrators, Digital Artists & Designers (Digital Artist Opinion)

Are you an illustrator, digital artist, or graphic designer looking to see if the new Apple iMac M1 2021 is worth it? In this video, I'm sharing my first impressions as a professional artist and illustrator about the new iMac after having it for a couple of months.
I will teach you how I use it with my iPad Pro and Procreate, how you can easily mirror any iPad screen into your Mac, and how you can use any desktop apps like Photoshop, Illustrator, or Affinity Designer directly on your iPad as a second monitor with pen support for free.
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  • @AsiaOrlando
    @AsiaOrlando2 жыл бұрын

    Are you getting the new iMac M1? and tell me do you prefer to use the iPad with it or a pen display or drawing tablet?

  • @mmallard35

    @mmallard35

    2 жыл бұрын

    I currently use a Wacom Cintiq with my m1 iMac. I love drawing on a huge display, but I keep thinking how good my desk setup would look with an iPad.

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    That’s super cool - I thought for a moment on a Wacom 32” but will take over my desk 🤔

  • @mmallard35

    @mmallard35

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AsiaOrlando Yes! I have a 22'' and it sometimes feels overbearing. I feel like the new iMac was designed so creators would have to get the iPad lol. Thx for responding!

  • @cortsmitha8214

    @cortsmitha8214

    2 жыл бұрын

    I have an iPad and a Macbook Pro with some iffy monitors. HEAVILY considering getting the iMac M1! I use my Macbook for software development too.

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    I love my new Mac, and should work probably fine for software development I think 🤔 which color are you going for?

  • @Bobasketches
    @Bobasketches2 жыл бұрын

    Yesss I’m so glad a fellow artist has a review on the new iMac. I bought the green one and I’m in love with it. I also use it with my iPad most frequently but I do have my old Wacom 22hd that I use sometimes as a 2nd monitor when I’m working on something bigger.

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    That’s so great to hear :) i think it’s so great for creators ⚡️ I’m curious to experiment with a Wacom 🤔

  • @shawnphulpagar
    @shawnphulpagar2 жыл бұрын

    Yes! This is such an important video. I just got the iPad Air and will soon get the iMac.

  • @HiccupsHelmet
    @HiccupsHelmet Жыл бұрын

    I got an M2 2022 Mac and it works so good for art with my iPad

  • @thadley708
    @thadley708 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you this has helped me heaps

  • @victoriaberkut
    @victoriaberkut2 жыл бұрын

    I'm happy to watch your new video and the first person who do this - 👍🏻 🙂

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Awesome 😎 thanks - hope you enjoyed it

  • @davidashley4386
    @davidashley43862 жыл бұрын

    I’m not an artist I just stopped for the iMac review, wow beautiful talented lady with a beautiful soul.

  • @roysartgallerysr8102
    @roysartgallerysr81022 жыл бұрын

    Nice one...love your work

  • @casper2yall
    @casper2yall Жыл бұрын

    Awesome review, I just ordered the silver one..

  • @34JOSH212
    @34JOSH212 Жыл бұрын

    This is a great video than u sharing your knowledge

  • @raku.
    @raku. Жыл бұрын

    Hola Asia, gracias por el vídeo, a mi si me interesa❤️

  • @ansodhartwork1205
    @ansodhartwork12052 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this video! I actually didn't know Sidecar worked with the pencil 🙈 that makes it so much better. I would love to see a video where you try out Astropad!

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Super glad you like it - :) I want to test Astropad, as it seems to be more accurate and with better definition 🤔

  • @TALKCalgary
    @TALKCalgary2 жыл бұрын

    Your artwork is amazing.

  • @inkerby_me398
    @inkerby_me3982 жыл бұрын

    I just bought the all access bunddle 🧡🧡 and I can’t wAit to play with it 😍😍😍

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    That’s amazing :)

  • @NoeHernandezPe767
    @NoeHernandezPe7676 ай бұрын

    Finally the review I was looking for! I don’t care about 4K video rendering haha I understand why many youtubers feel they need to review that aspect but as a UI/UX designer I want to know if the computer can handle heavy vector graphics, photo editing projects and illustration while having a well color calibrated screen. Thank you

  • @tlvccvlt
    @tlvccvlt2 жыл бұрын

    such beautiful and informative video!

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks 🙏🏼

  • @brunixot1
    @brunixot12 жыл бұрын

    You can also use airplay with the ipad

  • @dannyescobar5516
    @dannyescobar55162 жыл бұрын

    Me encanta tu contenido, saludos!

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Muchas gracias 🙏🏼

  • @hecjvaldez
    @hecjvaldez2 жыл бұрын

    Gran video como siempre!!! Ya también pedí la mía para hablar de ella en mi canal XD XD

  • @BadTasteStudio
    @BadTasteStudio2 жыл бұрын

    awesome

  • @sanjaykambleart8195
    @sanjaykambleart81952 жыл бұрын

    Great Info, As your Ram is 8 GB do you have premiere pro rendering faster?

  • @mallorydurrick
    @mallorydurrick2 жыл бұрын

    I'm so excited for this video. I haven't bought the iMac, but I did purchase the M1 Macbook Pro and the M1 Mac Mini. Not sure if waiting for the newer version of iMac is better for me. But love your videos!

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much Mallory :) in extremely happy with this one - I was reluctant to make the change but I believe made the right choice

  • @mallorydurrick

    @mallorydurrick

    2 жыл бұрын

    @A O It's just okay at the base model. As a result I ended up also getting the new 16" Macbook Pro M1 Max. I would wait if I were you until AFTER March 8th when they show the newer version of the mini. You'll need a good monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc, so you might want to look at the new iMac's as well. They might be coming on March 8th as well. We're close to that date, so my recommendation is don't buy anything until after that date.

  • @mallorydurrick

    @mallorydurrick

    2 жыл бұрын

    @A O You're welcome. I hope you find a good system.

  • @AlainPerrot1956
    @AlainPerrot19562 жыл бұрын

    Good morning Asia. Thank you for your helpful video. But What do you recommend ? 7 core CPU or add an extra cost with 8 core CPU ? Thank you

  • @maddydeth
    @maddydeth2 жыл бұрын

    Is it difficult to use procreate looking at the larger iMac screen while drawing on the iPad below. I’ve only used procreate by drawing on the iPad directly and not sure my brain would get used to this setup. I’d like to see it on a larger screen, especially since my iPad Pro is only an 11” model which is more easily held.

  • @MarcCardwell
    @MarcCardwell2 жыл бұрын

    I was very close to buying the new studio display to attach to my 2019 MBP, but that cost, man. I’ve decided to buy a re-curb m1 imac with 16GB ram and a 512 drive. Super happy to see your review, even tho it’s almost year old!

  • @stanelyandme

    @stanelyandme

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi Marc, I’m about to buy the same! Is the 512ssd enough?

  • @MarcCardwell

    @MarcCardwell

    Жыл бұрын

    You know what, I would up SEEING the 27” studio display right beside the 24” iMac and the bigger screen got me. I would up buying a 2019 27” iMac with a TB SSD, and base ram. The 2019 were the las ones you could upgrade your own ram, so I did, took it to something crazy. I LOVE. This Mac. They are still on apple refurb site.

  • @stanelyandme

    @stanelyandme

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MarcCardwell thanks Marc, I was going to buy a 2020 27” i7 with extra ram and ssd but saw this video and thought maybe M1 24” a better option as it’s cheaper. I’ll look at the 2019.

  • @MarcCardwell

    @MarcCardwell

    Жыл бұрын

    For what I do, graphic design, all Adobe apps, this made sense. Upgrading the ram was a decider too. Using refurb is like new with the warranty. And that 27” 5k display, man, is sweet.

  • @MarcCardwell

    @MarcCardwell

    Жыл бұрын

    For what I do, graphic design, all Adobe apps, this made sense. Upgrading the ram was a decider too. Using refurb is like new with the warranty. And that 27” 5k display, man, is sweet.

  • @inezsantos1153
    @inezsantos11532 жыл бұрын

    Yes please make a video using astropad. I'm very stuck between buying a pen display or just get a mac since I have an ipad pro, like you did :) Great video. I already take domestika classes too I love them!!!!

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Totally! I planning also on doing a iPad alternative videos and different pen displays 🤗

  • @ArtHealsTheSoul
    @ArtHealsTheSoul2 жыл бұрын

    How come you don’t use Skillshare ? Great video thanks for sharing!

  • @dinora120
    @dinora1202 жыл бұрын

    omg!! you're doing a class with domestika!! do you know when its going to lunch? or pre-lunch? i want to but it already!!!

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi 👋 Thats so awesome to hear! I cannot reveal to much now but soon I’ll share more details 🌿 so happy to read you comment, made my day 🤗

  • @amy4214
    @amy42142 жыл бұрын

    Hi Asia! Thanks so much for such an informative video! 🎨 As a fellow artist, I’m contemplating getting an iMac 24 but have a question about the display. Do you tend to work with True Tone on or off for your visual work? I find it more comfortable with it on but know it can affect the colours. It would be great to know your personal preferences 🤩 Thanks so much! 💃

  • @amy4214

    @amy4214

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi Asia! Just checking in if you saw my question here 🙋‍♀️? Thanks so much! Love your work! It’s gorgeous! 🎨

  • @Jennifer-wr9si
    @Jennifer-wr9si2 жыл бұрын

    I got the M1 Mac mini since we had a really nice display already. Bonus, we can take the Mac mini abroad if we need to go away for extended periods!

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    That totally makes sense, I imagine you are happy with it 😉

  • @saranyaaravindan2894
    @saranyaaravindan28942 жыл бұрын

    hi, can you show a video of how to use your brushes? what brushes can be used in what purpose?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Saranya - totally one of my next videos is all about my brushes ⚡️

  • @riccia888
    @riccia888Ай бұрын

    Hello! Is imac and mac mini are the same in terms of power?

  • @joe_canuck
    @joe_canuck2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the iMac from a graphic design perspective. I recently bought a iMac Pro 13 M1 and couple weeks ago got the iPad 12 pro for affinity designer/photo. Finding a good colour calibrated monitor for the laptop in Canada is nearly the same price as the iMac M1, after watching your video decided to the iMac 24 M1. Thanks again and I also subscribed.

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much Joe; super glad it was useful 🍃

  • @whispertothechaos
    @whispertothechaos2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Asia, what specifications as an illustrator did you go for? I'm thinking about investing in the iMac M1 24inch but not sure whether to lean onto external storage or go for bigger storage within the iMac setup. Would love to know what you decided as a fellow illustrator! x

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Emma how are you, I went for the maxed out model. I see it as an investment for the next at least 5 years :)

  • @whispertothechaos

    @whispertothechaos

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AsiaOrlando I’m good thanks Asia! How are you doing? Love your most recent illustration on IG! Thanks for answering my question, I figured this was likely but it’s always good to get a sense of what opinions from fellow artists are out there. It is definitely an investment considering it’s now the new M1 chip. Thanks again :-)

  • @Dnyaalobaid
    @Dnyaalobaid Жыл бұрын

    رائعه

  • @WeronikaSalach
    @WeronikaSalach2 жыл бұрын

    Aaaa that’s interesting Asia! I got a MacBook Air back in 2020, so still quite recently. Now I start to think that maybe it was a mistake because I could have gotten the iMac instead? I’m mainly using my laptop for marketing client work and for editing videos in FCP (where I would appreciate a bigger screen!). Do you own a MacBook too? Or “just” the iPad and the iMac? Thanks for sharing! ❤️

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi 👋 just the iMac 🖥😊

  • @korzenienaglowie8034
    @korzenienaglowie8034 Жыл бұрын

    Hi! I am considering buying this imac with 8 cores and 16 GB of RAM. I wonder whether to buy an imac or for 1-2 thousand less for some eizo monitor for photographers with 4k and 27 inches. I have a macbook pro 2020 with m1 which works great. What do you think is better to choose? The truth is that the imac is a whole computer with a monitor that is not bad, and the eizo is just a 3.5 inch larger monitor that costs 1,000 less. It seems to me that it is worth adding this thousand to buy an imac, it is a decision about the equipment for years. How many years do you think this imac can be usable vs photo monitor? I am a professional photographer, but the constant work on a 13-inch MacBook is starting to tire me, so I am considering switching to a larger monitor, but when I saw that I have a whole computer for 1000 more, not just a monitor, I do not know what to do. Hope you can advise me something. I wish you all the best!

  • @mmallard35
    @mmallard352 жыл бұрын

    iPad alternatives video plz. Thx

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Totally! I’m really exploring the idea ⚡️

  • @bijitachoudhury2759
    @bijitachoudhury27592 жыл бұрын

    Hello mam !! You are my Idol !! I like your illustration style and I want to do your style but I can't ... Cause I m a beginner !! Please advice me ??

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Bijita, my advice is always to develop your own way of illustrating the world, never copy someone else’s style, story or aesthetics as it will slower a lot your learning curve. Artists community isn't very big so between us we always notice who got too much inspired by whom. Keep on practicing and trying out new things to discover what works best for you and tell your story in your own unique and original style😊

  • @cardiartist3886
    @cardiartist3886 Жыл бұрын

    Hello, thank you for this video. Do you have a video recommending which is better, adobe suite or procreate for digital art? This answer is essential if I should purchase a new tablet or new iMac.

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    Жыл бұрын

    This is a very unique to your style and personal preference. I’m mainly on iPad

  • @neil2252
    @neil2252 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for posting this video. I’ve been looking for a new computer and monitor , but watching a lot of video reviews. Has been leaving me more and more confused! Its nice to see some one make a video that isn’t purely obsessed with performance figures and bench marks :) With your Ipad connected to the imac, are you using the software on the imac or the software on the pad? Do you need to have it installed on both devices? You say that you have a benq 4 k monitor, is the screen a different size? And did it take a lot of time to adjust to a smaller screen? What version of the imac did you choose? Have you used it for photoshop and lightroom? If so, how the mac/ipad combo work out in those programs? Thanks in advance.

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    Жыл бұрын

    So many questions 😁 my next video is all about this

  • @neil2252

    @neil2252

    Жыл бұрын

    @@AsiaOrlando .. Believe me… thats only a small fraction of questions ive been asking! Haha. I look forward to your next video :)

  • @melanie5355
    @melanie53552 жыл бұрын

    Are there also German classes on domestika?

  • @lipem14
    @lipem142 жыл бұрын

    Hi! I just arrived Madrid and was wondering where and if it's a good idea to buy a MacBook to work drawing with apple side car in iPad. It's better than a cintiq?

  • @lipem14

    @lipem14

    2 жыл бұрын

    And also, do you have an atelier in Spain? It would be lovely to visit if it's open :)

  • @mashotaarts8609
    @mashotaarts8609 Жыл бұрын

    Do you experience any lag on the iPad or iMac when you are using "mirror monitor"? Very nice video BTW 😊👌

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    Жыл бұрын

    Not so much, but I don’t use that feature super often lately

  • @glitchinthematrix9306
    @glitchinthematrix93062 жыл бұрын

    what an amazing woman!

  • @javsama1
    @javsama1 Жыл бұрын

    I made the switch from Ipad to PC, best decision I've made for my art, a great PC is way way way cheaper and upgradable than an imac and I got a cheap 22' pen display (since the point for me was to get a bigger monitor to be more confortable when I draw) which I used for a couple of years until I recently upgraded to a 24' 4k Huion pen display. I use Clip Studio Paint which sped up my art process at least twice so I'm more productive. But I miss Procreate a lot , the brushes are incredible, so I'm thinking about getting a new smaller 11' Ipad just for fun too. But the one big dowsides not being in the same ecosystem with all my devices.

  • @naturallygeekster8769
    @naturallygeekster87692 жыл бұрын

    I have a very important question.. Would I be able to make my Ipad pro (4th gen) a drawing tablet? Or do I really need the last new Ipad?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    I have the 4th gen and it works just fine 👍

  • @stanelyandme
    @stanelyandme Жыл бұрын

    Hi Asia, great video! I’m just about to buy a 2nd hand one . Is 16gb ram enough with 512gb ssd storage? Thanks

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    Жыл бұрын

    It’s hard to tell. Personally I have one with 1GB

  • @hvdb4492
    @hvdb44922 жыл бұрын

    Instead of the M1 air ?

  • @Tazzyfish
    @Tazzyfish2 жыл бұрын

    Was there lag when mirroring the iPad to the iMac when using Photoshop, and does the apple pencil work when using photoshop via screen mirroring? And what about the colours, did they match between the iMac and iPad?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Tasil, the sidecar has full pen support function and the colors quite match, and if they don’t it’s quite indistinguishable to the eye, as both displays are great 🌿

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Forgot to mention; wireless is super laggy, only make sense with cable 👍

  • @Tazzyfish

    @Tazzyfish

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AsiaOrlando thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I can't belive that pen pressure works if using sidecar and photoshop! Amazing!

  • @addictedalchemist

    @addictedalchemist

    2 жыл бұрын

    yes there is lag

  • @cristianrein6780
    @cristianrein67802 жыл бұрын

    Hello , I am decided to buy m1 IMac or PC for design and photoshop . My budget is 2000 dollars . What would you advice to me ?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would say now the M1

  • @someguy9345
    @someguy9345 Жыл бұрын

    Do you think this would be good for Animation?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    Жыл бұрын

    Sure

  • @amberwoo3090
    @amberwoo3090 Жыл бұрын

    Can’t find my iPad on quick video

  • @nadinek6693
    @nadinek66932 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the review. Would pairing an iPad and 2020 iMac work as well?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi, I would probably say yes - but I’m not sure if they have sidecar as this model is my first iMac 🤔

  • @nadinek6693

    @nadinek6693

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AsiaOrlando thank you!

  • @nadinek6693

    @nadinek6693

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AsiaOrlando it does! It came with OS Catalina. This is great news as I spent a ton on a 27” iMac upgraded the RAM myself to 32gigs for video editing. I was too impatient to wait for the M1s.

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Let me know if it works 🤗

  • @ChaniceRich

    @ChaniceRich

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@nadinek6693 how is the iMac I’m deciding between the 27inch or the new one

  • @lynux6
    @lynux62 жыл бұрын

    hey! in the QuickTime I can't see my iPad. I do have the same Apple ID and is a trusted divide. does anybody knows how to fix this?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi, same Apple ID 👍

  • @bbrmi6841
    @bbrmi68412 жыл бұрын

    is imac compatible with 3d/rendering softwares too??

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    I highly recommend to check compatibly on each software site ✌️

  • @wendys1166
    @wendys11662 жыл бұрын

    Which version of iPad are you using?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi 👋 Mine is 12.9 Pro 1GB 4th gen ⚡️

  • @apollomoniz
    @apollomoniz2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Asia, did you get the 16GB or 8GB of ram?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi 👋 16GB

  • @giuseppenadirromano5411
    @giuseppenadirromano54112 жыл бұрын

    I Asia, is your imac 8 or 16gb Ram?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi 👋 it’s maxed out :)

  • @rexdinosaur2910
    @rexdinosaur29102 жыл бұрын

    is this imac 7 core or 8 core?

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi 👋 8 core ⚡️⚡️

  • @jacobnarramore7449
    @jacobnarramore74492 жыл бұрын

    Hiiii!

  • @AsiaOrlando

    @AsiaOrlando

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hello :)

  • @user-nx7iw5br1v
    @user-nx7iw5br1v3 ай бұрын

    You look like super man mother

  • @monkeyball0204
    @monkeyball0204 Жыл бұрын

    Are there full versions of photoshop and illustrator?