At 6:10 it was kind of hard to understand. You said "one is a sine, the other is a cosine", but on the scope there are two sinusoidal waveforms with a 180 degree phase shift. First I thought "one is a sine, the other is a minus sine". Then I realized that its not the phase of these sines, but the amplitude you are talking about. So by turning the shaft to say alpha degree the _amplitude_ of the sine waves change like sin(alpha), and cos(alpha).

@CuriousMarc

Жыл бұрын

You got it exactly right. It’s the amplitude of the waveforms that’s proportional to the sine and the cosine of the angle. Which brings about one major complication: it’s not enough to measure the amplitude of the resulting signal, you also have to measure the sign. Which you also got right, the sign is in the phase of the signal, either in or 180 deg out of phase with the excitation. It’s the phase part that got messed up and eventually caused the 1202’s, in a very complicated and round-about way. We’ll explain this in more details in future videos.

@Kae6502

Жыл бұрын

@@CuriousMarc Thank you Marc, This is going to be epic! This piece of history couldn't have ended up in better hands!

@wdavem

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I actually understand this now correctly for the first time, and I'm 43!

@benswinter

Жыл бұрын

@@CuriousMarc I absolutely cannot wait for this update where you explain this theory and test it. As an EE you guys and your command of knowledge and theory are a marvel to watch. Thank you thank you for these videos, please don't stop :)

Recreating the 1202 error would be such an exciting thing to see! I can't wait for that! And it would progress the explanation? Wow!

Oh yeah! This Frankenstein lab CDU could not be in better hands. Congrats to Mike and can’t wait to see it future videos. 👍🏻

So we got an Apollo 7 CM Upper and a Apollo 11 LM lower that has been confirmed to be put together in the lab. I cannot stop thinking that someone might just had tried to recreate the 1202 error and used exactly the perfect hardware for it that happened to lie around. Which coincidentally is exactly what you are trying to do now. Amazing thought.

@fredericlepeltier3435

Жыл бұрын

My tought exactly!

If I had to wager a guess, I'd say they built that unit up to reproduce the same 1202 error experienced in the flight module it corresponds to. Since it indicates that it was used in the lab that is. This makes it an excellent candidate to recreate the error in YOUR lab in my opinion.

@grahamheath9957

Жыл бұрын

That was exactly my thought also. That type of playing freely with the specs of parts as compared with the official build is exactly like what happens in labs when you have a specific task and only care about replicating certain functions

12:50 that bounce in Marcs voice when mentioning to open it up 🤣

@CuriousMarc

Жыл бұрын

Mike, please, pleeeeeeease!

I didn't know I still have a lot of questions about the 1202 Alarm. I'm looking forward for the next episode!

I just love watching this series, as a small child aged 6, my dad used to buy me old TVs to take apart. I was and still am at my happiest taking stuff apart to see how it works. Clearly that is often not as much fun as it used to be with things getting more complicated. But this series brings back that fun

@-allround-

Жыл бұрын

Same here, on my birthday mostly got old video players en old radio's

@BGTech1

Жыл бұрын

Same here. About 14 years ago (I’m 17) I started taking apart my little brothers toys. He wasn’t too pleased so my parents got me other electronics to take apart. I’m pretty sure this is how every future engineer begins their Journey

@Pickelhaube808

Жыл бұрын

A very trusting parent to let a 6 year old dig around inside 30kV electronics!

@-allround-

Жыл бұрын

@Pickelhaube In those days parenting workt different , not a bubble wrap society like nowadays

@Omegaman1969

Жыл бұрын

Ha same here, I remember my Dad showing me, at the age of 7, how to discharge a CRT.....and how to repair a LOPT with araldite.

The fact that MIKE actually got this is evidence that the universe is nostalgic for this period in history and wants to share the memory.

Amazing work from Mike, that guy's probably one of the most qualified spacecraft historians on earth by now, I am pretty sure he's forgotten more about the Apollo program than I've ever known (and i his case probably still has the document with it in anyway, and knows how to find it again!). Every single morsel you uncover in this series is fascinating, thank you for brining it to us in such a great series of videos.

I enjoy all your content, but I especially love your apollo content. Today I shall dress in my Curious Marc DSKY t-shirt in celebration of Mike's find!

I really have to thank you for continuing the truly interesting story of the Apollo mission. I have to say we are so grateful to have Mike as a teacher and expert and he is really good at explaining what happened. Yes, all of you are really good at it. It will be really exciting to be able to follow what you find this time and how you solve it. Many thanks!

So what I'm getting is someone assembled a unit to test the 1202 error theory out but it didn't get documented.... so you not only found a unicorn, you found the _exact_ unicorn you needed.

It's entirely possible that by now Mike knows more about the Apollo computer hardware than anyone else still alive, as he probably has a broader overview than any of the original designers.

The younger generation may not know this, but back in 1969, we had no PCs, no handheld calculators, and a digital computer was wall sized for eight bits. The computer on the Appolo capsule and the one on the Lunar Lander had less memory than your cell phone. They carried as a backup, if the computer failed, the first Texas Instruments, calculator, later released in the Seventies, to the public, with a sheet on how to do all the navigation problems to return from the moon. A month after the lunar landings, I went into the Air Force, I got trained in Navigation equipment, the computers I learned on were 40-pound boxes of gears, motors and God knows what, that calculated navigation for airplanes, along with some small amount of digital computing. My last system, on the C-5A, had true digital computers, the primary computer had 32K of memory, iron core mat memory cards, and the Aux had 16K. It took another five years before we go true PC digital computing.

The amount of R&D that went into the Apollo program boggles the mind. Equally mind boggling is the amount of research and knowledge you guys have about the history of the Apollo program. Mike seems to be an indispensable member of your team! Although i'm very unfamiliar with computer hardware and software, i'm fascinated by it all and in the meantime i learn a thing or two. It's like archeology! Great stuff guys!!

@zoomtruth1013

Жыл бұрын

Weird how nasa still won't test a human in their space suit while in a vacuum chamber!!

@rearspeaker6364

8 ай бұрын

@@zoomtruth1013 must be the Closter phobia!!

Mike is just astounding, and a real pleasure to watch. Well done Mike & Mark!😀

You all blow my mind. Amazing gear, amazing research, and such care. Mike sounded so very excited during the whole thing, as well he should be!

In my software coding carreer I used many AtoD an DtoA devices as well as resolver to digital convertes. Most were 40 pin integrated circuits weighing mere grams. Amazing the technology leap from the massive Apollo module to the diminutive devices I worked with. The documentation of revisions and errata are still practiced today to the mental stress of engineers.

The happiness in Mike's face... 😁

This series on Apollo hardware has been absolutely fascinating. I saw the Apollo 13 movie at a very young age, and this is what piqued my interest in rocketry, astronomy, and how incredible we were to have shot astronauts to our moon with this level of technology. Absolutely hooked. You guys are amazing.

Aerospace hardware plus pedantic history is just sooo sweet to watch. Dr.Jones Jr would try to tell us "it belongs in a museum". But I have to disagree. Putting it into your gangs hands is a much better home for it. Congratulations to you and thank you very much for sharing with us!

Always worthwhile dropping by. Thanks from someone who was up all night to see the first moon landing.

Luck favors the prepared mind. Excellent episode.

@tristshapez

Жыл бұрын

Love this quote ♥️

This series just keep getting better and better!

Still eagerly awaiting the next episode….you really left us hanging in this one.

AGC series update, that's nice ! And since that episode was recorded 8 months ago, I suppose that a lot of discoveries has been made since, one can hope that a new AGC season is on his way :-)

Mike is the kind of genius we all need in our lives. Thanks for keeping this series alive, it's so fascinating.

Not sure why YT brought this episode to my attention, but I'm glad it did. When I saw the title, my first reaction was "Part 29? Where have I been for the other 28 parts??" I went back and watched every one with great interest, finally arriving back here. Thanks for your team's work on the AGC and thanks for documenting this journey. This is an astounding exploration of the iconic guidance system that enabled the exploration of the moon. Your foresight to record this long road and to share it with the world is commendable. I am enjoying both the deep technical dives and your inclusion of the interviews/stories of the guidance system designers. Top drawer content for sure. Your treatment of both the hardware and the people involved will be winning the respect of audiences for generations ...

Honestly can’t get enough of the Apollo hardware series. Having the two of you analyse and dissect every component while linking it back to the actual functions of the spacecraft is fascinating. You and Mike are a force of nature. Thank you for all your work!

Mike deserves this priceless relic. He's so cool & smart! Nice job scoring that one dude.

Don Eyles' book, "Sunburst and Luminary", explains it well. The AGC software was well-designed to drop tasks and restart from a known point, always making sure the high priority tasks were taken care of. That did save Apollo 11. On the other hand, there was an issue with the stability of the descent engine, which experienced some strange throttle control issues (look up Apollo 11 "throttle castelations"). It was caused by a late chsnge in the throttle response time of the descent engine, which wasn't captured in the interface control documents and caused the software (which expected a slower-responding engine) to almost overcontrol the throttle. That almose caused a mission abort, and it would've probably been blamed on the AGC 1201/1202 faults, at least initially. You should invite Don Eyles in the lsb at some point, that would be a fun conversation. Edit: for those of you who never heard of him, he was one of the main software developers on the LM AGC.

Great work. Congrats to Mike for the acquisition. Holding my breath for the final proof and announcement of your theory. Will give more light to the phrase “We’re go on that Flight!”

One thing resolvers are being used for is SATCOM antennas on board ships at sea. Much like the rendezvous RADAR, dishes need to be locked on to their corresponding satellite even as a ship is bobbing and weaving on the waves. It's mesmerizing to watch them stay perfectly still in relation to the bird, but have the pedestals moving around with the ship.

It's really amazing that this channel took off and is always producing some excellent content on impossibly rare and specialized hardware.

Thank you for the elevator music explanations. You do a great job explaining how these parts work.

Does Mike have photographic memory? I watched the whole Apollo series, and the amount of detail in Mike's brain is simply stunning. I'd wager there never existed another single person with such a complete understanding and overview of the whole Apollo computer systems. It's an utter delight to watch and listen to you guys (including Ken Shirriff...)

@molletts

Жыл бұрын

He has holographic memory - connected directly to his positronic brain ;) Seriously, though, I'm in awe of his knowledge and skills. He's not just in a different league to most of the rest of us, he's playing a totally different game.

@tomteiter7192

Жыл бұрын

@@molletts indeed. The FPGA based AGC Test equipment emulator with accompanying software for example is such a genius combination of skills, it boggles the mind. Even while I understand the parts involved, the whole thing together is just stunning

This has to be the BEST KZread channel (elevator music included)

Well done guys. I love the care with which Mike takes apart the precious hardware. A half turn of each screw on different corners. Don't see that these days in the local workshop.

I am constantly stunned by the achievements of the engineers who put the Apollo systems together. Ingenious design using the technology of the time, operating in the harshest environments, severe weight limits and achieved under a decade. 😮👏👏👏👏👏👏

This series, and all your videos are fantastic! I love all the archaeology that goes into determining just what the equipment is.

What a great score! It is amazing to me that all of that beautiful hardware could be replaced with a $2 micro controller and a little glue logic today. We've come a long way...

@JensAndree

Жыл бұрын

It wouldn't be radiation hardened nor robust enough to trust it for a space mission though... Just saying. There's a reason why NASA is still using those obsolete Motorola CPU's for their space hardware since they're proven and verified. They need to find a replacement soon. Perhaps the MC68000, or a 286 can do the job?! ;)

it is stunning to me how much written data is collected about a piece of hardware produced so many years ago.

great to see you have more episodes in this series..

It never ceases to amaze me the weight of all this hardware, no wonder the F1 engines were so powerful.

@KallePihlajasaari

Жыл бұрын

Space-X has it easy with a few flat panel displays controlling the whole rocket with CAN-BUS or similar. The moon landing was an achievement that took the resources of a industrialised nation to pull off. The same could almost be done now by Elon if someone were to pay for the fuel.

@paulstubbs7678

Жыл бұрын

@@KallePihlajasaari I'm not really talking about the tech, but the crazy heavy boxed etc they built them into. He's luck he didn't pull a hernia getting that CDU out of the transport box.

The excellent book "Digital Apollo" by David A. Mindell has a section explaining the origin of the 1201 and 1202 alarms during the Apollo 11 descent on pages 227 through 233. This book is a very good read.

@mikestewart8928

Жыл бұрын

It is indeed a good book, but Mindell unfortunately reproduces a lot of popular misconceptions in that section talking about the program alarms. Don Eyles's book Sunburst and Luminary digs into more (and more accurate) detail from the software side, but to my knowledge there aren't any books that get it fully correct from a hardware side.

@kenchorney2724

Жыл бұрын

@@mikestewart8928 I will have to get Don Eyles's book.

Honestly, what a thrilling story, I love it!

Another great episode on this series! Looking forward for the next one!

Of great historical significance. I fondly remember the entirety of the Apollo program from a pubic perspective. And as a kid, I was fascinated by it. These components are such an important part of our national history. Great video.

I am so glad the Apollo journey continues. I love the research you guys are doing. Thank you.

Bravo. Keep up the excellent work. It is grand fun to see the back story of the moon missions.

I work on optical sensors for modern spacecraft IRUs, cool to see the similarities and differences between then and now.

Mike has untold magical powers beyond any other.

Thanks Marc and Mike, really exciting, waiting for further developments

That was an amazing series to follow. What a great team and really perfect combo of brainiacs to lovingly restore this piece of space exploration history. Well done!

Congratulations on a remarkable job of restoration, both of hardware and documentation system!

Absolutely fascinating stuff - LOVE it! Brilliant work guys!

The fantastic range of exceptional expertise in such a wide range of topics that gravitate to become part of the CuriousMarc team never ceases to amaze me! Fascinating piece of kit, fascinating research and detective work by Mike to determine how it came to be. Another cracking episode - thanks team!

It's funny to think that had NASA hung on to all of that hardware, it would probably (for the most part) just be gathering dust on shelves. Outside of NASA it has taken on a whole life of its own, educating tens of thousands of historians, hobbyists, scientists and engineers. Fascinating stuff.

So cool to see Mike so excited.

So many thanks for this part 29 ! This channel is gold. Curious Marc, Master Ken and the modest and brilliant Marc form a unique trio. Live long and prosper \\/ ;)

Now let's find Eagle's ascent module in lunar orbit, and recover it.

@KallePihlajasaari

Жыл бұрын

And pair it with a lander. Patch together a command module and all that is needed is a service module.

Brilliant detective work Mike. Many kudos

I am so envious of your new collection.

I like to think that I'm technically pretty well educated and experienced after a lifetime of working in Electronics and Software development since the 1980s. But I am always just stunned by the depth AND breadth of knowledge of real electronics and technology enthusiasts.

Remember kids, we didn't go to the moom, we just made all the computers and technology to go, but faked the rest.... sarcasm. This stuff is pretty sweet, keep up the good work CuriousMarc. It has always been a great time watching your videos.

Amazing documentary! Keep up the great work!

Again a fantastic video, can't wait for more. Succes from The Netherlands

Very cool - Mike should right a technical book on all things Apollo.

Looking forward to this series going to be fascinating!

Wow -- *really* looking forward to finding out your theories about the 1202 error, and Mike's experiment to prove his hypothesis. I will definitely tune in for those videos when you release them!

There is one person who is likely even more interested in your 1202 findings than the rest of us, and his name starts with Buzz Aldrin. If you find something significant, I hope your circle includes some way of contacting him with the info!

@bru57000

Жыл бұрын

I thought 1202 alarm was because Buzz took the liberty to turn on the radar, taking too much CPU cycles, and not in accordance with the procedure.

This is soooo amazingly interesting. Thank you very much!

Great detective work!

Having watched the resurrection of the AGC I feel like you two are almost family by now! Can't wait to see how this next project unfolds

What an awesome piece of history.

Fascinating as usual!

Congrats Mike with this new treasure! I am always amazed by the shear amount of knowledge you guys have on the Apollo hardware and technology. It's a joy to watch every time. Curious to see what this will bring!

My old mentor would reminisce about his days in technical college. His professor had a nasty habit of "pranking" there breadboards. He would pull a random wire, remove the copper from the insulation sheathing with tweezers, cut the copper, then sheath it back in and replace it!

now that's one toughbook module holder--before there were toughbooks!!

Nice score Mike! Definitely a keeper!

By the way, I hope y'all got at least a cut of the $740k, as you really helped increase the value of the AGC.

From a lab to a lab. Perfect!

When I Wes 8 years old I received a tool box with a real saw and knife, I slept with it for a week or 2. I’m assuming Mike did the same. 😂 congratulations

Thank you, my inner nerd enjoyed this a lot

Resolvers are quite often found in the output shaft on hybrid car transmissions as a source of angle data for torque vector control. Vector motor drives are often used because they provide very good control of output torque at varying RPMs.

Absolutely amazing!

It's amazing how far technology has come.

Woohoo .. a new CuriousMarc video!

Awesome, Thanks for sharing.

Great score!

This looks like so much fun, I'm jealous, and I'm never jealous!

Man, what a lucky find! Cashing in some major karma points there.

CuriousMarc and MethodicalMike congrats!!

SCORE of the century! Now that's what I call a Franky. I'm glad no one tried to reflow it with a heat gun...

I wonder if that combo was put together originally by someone to reproduce the 1202 error.

@KallePihlajasaari

Жыл бұрын

That would be an amazing coincidence. Perhaps they find another memo one day that hints at this. Not sure of the timeline, this may have been Frankensteined before the error occurred.

Seeing the detailed documentation, the still existing hardware etc. I really wonder how there are so many ‘moon landing deniers’.

What a gem!

This is just awesome :)

I am so excited for this!!!!