ANTI-SKATE ADJUSTMENT - The Perfect Setting For Optimal Vinyl Playback - Vinyl Community

Anti-skate adjustment. How do you set the perfect anti-skate force of your tonearm? In this video you will see different methods, with their specific pros and cons. Also a way to measure the anti-skating force is shown. With the perfect setting you get the optimal tracking and vinyl playback.

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  • @m-howl5028
    @m-howl50285 жыл бұрын

    Love these "know-how" tip videos of yours, Paul. I need to do a complete re-set-up. Thanks for taking the time to do these! Mike

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Mike! How are you doing? Nice to see you checking out a new vinyl tip video. It's fun making these. Hope you got some nice bits of info for your re-set-up. Take care. Cheers. /Paul

  • @albertwilliams706
    @albertwilliams7064 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely brilliant! This explains a lot. I always thought my TT sounded better with a lower value. Thank you!

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the great comment. This is exactly how my journey of this video started. It's strange that we sometimes don't trust own ears when it deviates from the norm. Awesome you found out by yourself that a lower setting sounded better. Cheers. /Paul

  • @francisborms2324
    @francisborms23245 жыл бұрын

    Echt fijn met jou te kunnen bijleren. Ga zeker wat uittesten met de anti-skate settings. Bedankt Paul.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hallo Francis! Leuk te zien dat de video je interesse heeft gewekt. Benieuwd wat je resultaten zijn. Nog een fijn weekend. Groet. /Paul

  • @watsoniusz
    @watsoniusz5 жыл бұрын

    Classic Paul and helpful as always 😎😉 Good to se You again 🍻

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Marcin! Still up in the middle of the night? Is something beautiful keeping you awake :) Hope all is well. Take care. Cheers. /Paul

  • @funghoul9124
    @funghoul91244 жыл бұрын

    this was a great video.....thank you for explaining so thoroughly this subject......i always wondered if there was a way to measure anti skating but i trust your experimentations......good work and thanks for the help

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the positive feedback. Appreciate it. Hope the video helps a little in better understanding the subject. Don't hesitate to experiment a little. Can be fun and not much can go wrong. Cheers. /Paul

  • @jaaphoven3210
    @jaaphoven32105 жыл бұрын

    Het werkt voor mij wel de anti skate iets naar beneden bedankt! En ga vooral door met video's maken!

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Jaap! Dat is leuk om te horen. Je bent de eerste die heeft geëxperimenteerd en een positief effect meldt met het verlagen van de anti skate kracht. Dank voor de terugkoppeling. Groet. /Paul

  • @septiseptimiu8287
    @septiseptimiu828710 ай бұрын

    I always use to set antiskating according to the test record. I lower the VTF at half recommended than i play the test tone and look for buzzing to be equal in both channels! On my AT-LP140xp with a tracking force of 2gr using a AT95E cartridge i ended setting the antiskating at 0.8 and not 2 as producer recommends and which is wrong! It plays fantastic! Thank you for the video! 👍

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    10 ай бұрын

    Hi! Great to hear your experience setting the anti skating of an AT95E. Thanks for sharing. You were able to reduce the recommended value quite a bit. Enjoy the music :) Cheers. /Paul

  • @j.paulpurdell6110
    @j.paulpurdell6110 Жыл бұрын

    This theory, that a tone arm should be motionless on a groove-less spinning disc is absolutely incorrect according to a phonograph technician I spoke with at length. Actually doing as this theory advocates can cause irreparable damage to the record and stylus. Actually, Anti-Skate is supposed to add a very small (slight) amount of outward force (toward the edge of record) DEFINITELY NOT CAUSING THE TONEARM TO BE MOTIONLESS. With the proper amount of Anti-Skate applied, the TONEARM will still move toward the center of the groove-less disc but at a slightly slower rate of speed compared to the slightly faster inward speed of TONEARM movement if no Anti-Skate was applied.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the comment and for sharing your experience, Paul. Luckily, nowhere in the video do I promote that method. As I demonstrate, you need an outward force for compensation. I agree that this is often misunderstood. Cheers. /Paul

  • @BarakaPDub
    @BarakaPDub5 жыл бұрын

    Paul. Excellent video! I’ve always set it using a sacrificial record but this motivates me to build my own tool. I’m going to use this video again for reference. I didn’t know you had a Rega by the way.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Paul. Nice to see you stopping by. Yeah, been spinning vinyl on my trusty Rega P3 for 15 years or so. Only recently it got replaced with the Technics. Fun to hear you think about building one also. If you need help or close ups, let me know. Although I think you already get the basics from the video. Take care. Cheers. /Paul2

  • @Cage_is_in_a_cage
    @Cage_is_in_a_cage5 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Thank you

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Great to hear the video was helpful. Thanks! /Paul

  • @danfarkaswannabe
    @danfarkaswannabe8 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for this video! I have been an avid vinyl user for the past 20 years and I think this is the first time I finally got anti-skate right thanks to your video! I always tried the blank vinyl/run out method which I always found to be inaccurate. Every turntable has a different mechanism and every stylus acts differently so it's very hard to reproduce accurate results. Also frankly it never really sounded right. I recently purchased an ATLP140XP and let me tell you I have never encountered such an aggressive anti-skate in my life. (People complained that the ATLP120s anti-skate didn't work so I think they showed us.) What your video taught me is that if I have an elliptical I need to have about 11% of anti-skate. What I did was took a digital scale and placed it on its side (not very accurate but still it's something) and I let the arm float. I then turned antiskate until it hit the scale and started showing 0.2 (1.9g tracking weight). What I ended up with is 0.2g anti-skate and not 2 which is absolutely crazy but I can tell you the turntable has never sounded better. Finally balanced stereo sound and no skips which my nagaoka mp110 is very prone to. UPDATE: After a day or two I realized the sound was good but still was getting skips here and there. It's funny only the Nagaoka does this. Annoying from one side but good in the way that it tells you, you don't have enough anti-skate. I figured the measurement I did for the side force isn't enough. Probably need a little more for the outer grooves. The thing is...on my prior Technics tables it was fairly easy to do the runout test. I would turn the knob until the arm would slide in slowly on the blank parts between the grooves. On the ATLP140xp the anti-skate is so aggressive it pulls out aggressively at 0.5 and will stay stationery on a blank band on my Shure test record at around 0.5. I can clearly hear that it's too much because the right speaker is more pronounced. When I try the runout test on my ATLP140xp I can barely get it to slide in slowly. It either goes in aggressively, stays put or slides outwards. Very hard to get right. What your video taught me is that I don't need much more than that 0.2g of outward pull. So I played with it very gently and I think I finally got it right at around 0.3 on the dial. Crazy how strong that spring is. Anyway love your videos and can't thank you enough!

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    8 ай бұрын

    Hey Dan! Great to read your experience playing with the anti skate. Take your time to dial it in, till it sounds right to your ears. Some of those anti skate mechanism seem like an afterthought. Get them right and you will be rewarded. Maybe the biggest hurdle is to not follow the general instruction and have the guts to try a lower value as recommended. Happy to hear the video was helpful. Much appreciate the positive feedback. All the best. Cheers. /Paul

  • @CoreysChannel
    @CoreysChannel5 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. I always worry about buying records with groove damage. I heavily research information online specifically for the turntables I use. A small adjustment can make a big difference.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Corey! Good to hear from you. I understand what you mean. For records that I know that have groove damage, I use a separate cartridge. A not so expensive DJ cartridge. You're right, small changes can have a big influence. Personally was never really aware of it, till I used the tool and saw visually the difference small steps make. Take care. Cheers. /Paul

  • @davidpogue8900
    @davidpogue89003 жыл бұрын

    Perfect, thank you for this interesting video !!

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi David. Thanks for the comment. Hope the video was helpful. Happy Easter :) /Paul

  • @davidpogue8900

    @davidpogue8900

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL It was ! Thank you and HAPPY EASTER for you and your family

  • @davidpogue8900

    @davidpogue8900

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL I use till today an old LASERDISC to adjust the ANTISKATING. But the point with 25 % and the technique details was very interesting for me.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    If you got used to using a laserdisc, not wrong with it. It wil give repeatable results. Only when you change to a different type cartridge its behavior on the disc will change. Cheers. /Paul

  • @davidpogue8900

    @davidpogue8900

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL Ok, thank you. That is important !

  • @L.E.55472
    @L.E.554725 жыл бұрын

    Hello Paul, hope all is well w you......let me say you have outdone yourself w this video, and I will refer this again! Thank you thank you!! Have a good Sunday- Lis

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Good morning Lis! Are you having your first coffee of the day? That's the one that tastes the best, right? :) Thanks for the compliment. This one took a little more prep as usual. Have a great Sunday! Take care. /Paul

  • @L.E.55472

    @L.E.55472

    5 жыл бұрын

    X junkie NL hey Paul heehee I am having that good first cup ☕️ and I’m watching this video again...I can’t wait to test this out later today! Again thank you Paul....

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hahah, enjoy it! :) Cool to hear you're going to play with the setting. /Paul

  • @evanauster7325
    @evanauster7325 Жыл бұрын

    Love this!!!

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi again! Thanks for checking out the video. By the way couldn't find your other comment on repress records, in general your logic was the same as mine. Cheers. /Paul

  • @bluehiprascal5321
    @bluehiprascal53215 жыл бұрын

    Awesome Paul. Love your use of demonstrations to help illustrate. I like to expand on the scope of your video for users of the Shure M97, V15IV AND V15V cartridges, those employing the stabilizer brush. Anti-skate is a compensation to the force of the stylus tracing the groove, NOT that of the brush. Example: Tracking force setting of 1.7g gives a stylus tracking force of 1.2g. Subtracting 0.5g for the Stabilizer brush. Now the recommended Anti- skate is 1.2g. If we take 75% of this, we get 0.9g as the optimal setting. Setting by ear, mine is set to 0.75g. My vintage Denon employs magnets to provide this force. Of course, I have no idea how accurate the provided scale is. Still my findings and numbers match up to yours quite well I think.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Great to get your feedback. So it seems you get very close to numbers I'm getting. Fantastic you were able to do this all by ear. Especially as you are moving away from the recommended setting. Hope this info is also helpful for others. The Shure is a classic cartridge. All the best. Cheers. /Paul

  • @hippydjkit9913
    @hippydjkit99135 жыл бұрын

    Hello Paul.......... Great subject to explain........ I have so many records and yet not an empty side to test the anti skate positioning......... At the moment i have it at 2 at a 2grams weight......... you said something about a CD or the empty space at the end of the record that i didn't understand......... Thanks for everything..........

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    You're spinning your vinyl on a Technics SL1200, right? Sometimes I see a glimpse in your videos. My suggestion would be to set the dial at 1,6 and see how it sounds. Check if you have better tracking. In the video I shortly discuss the possibility to use the dead wax. Not the run out groove, but the blank part in between the run out groove. See how the cartridge behaves different at 2,0 and at 1,6 to get an idea, how fast it moves. Hope this helps. Take care. Cheers. /Paul

  • @larseckardt_nl
    @larseckardt_nl5 жыл бұрын

    Fantastische video. Ik ga vandaag meteen testen met het verlagen. En wie weet ga ik dit apparaat ook bouwen. Ik vermoed namelijk dat m'n antiskate niet zo best meer werkt. Topwerk.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Dank voor het compliment, Lars. Vooral leuk te horen dat de video je inspireert om met de anti skate instelling te spelen. Dat is precies de bedoeling. Niet zo mooi dat de anti skate wellicht niet meer zo goed werkt. Voel ook even de weerstand in je arm, wellicht dat die ook van invloed is. Succes. Groet. /Paul

  • @FatherAxeKeeper
    @FatherAxeKeeper4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! I'm going to look into building one of these devices. Do you have instructions?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Here is a link to the manual of the original device. www.simplyblack.net/images/pdf/WallySkaterInstructions.pdf It has a lot of information, how to use it, and also some drawings. Cheers. /Paul

  • @dixielandfarm
    @dixielandfarm5 жыл бұрын

    Great demo/description of the forces, Paul! I did a video on this using a blank CD and gotten some flack. I can't adjust my anti-skate on my current table. I found markings on tables in the past wildly inaccurate mostly because of springs changing over time - so in the end I trusted my ears and did samples at various points of the record. That seemed to work the best :)

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Great to hear the explanation with the portable turntable came across, Kris. Took me a little time to find a simple way to explain. Yeah the fun of the internet. Although for the moment, I'm surprised, I haven't got any flack on this one. Doing it by ear, are you crazy? ;) In general I think that's the best way of doing anything dealing with audio. Trust your own ears. Have a great Sunday. Cheers. /Paul

  • @leonardfreeman7218
    @leonardfreeman72183 жыл бұрын

    Hi Paul, thank you for sharing this information. I’m going to give it a try. Could you please let me know whether you removed the counter weight (tracking force) when you tested the anti-skate using your device?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Leonard. Thanks for watching. The counter weight needs to be mounted and adjusted to the right value. This before you do the adjustment of the anti skating. Hope this helps. Cheers. /Paul

  • @mccarthyd6603
    @mccarthyd66034 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos! Question... I have a technics sl-1300 and my current tracking force is 2.3... Which is also my AS. I noticed recently when cuing up the needle it is moving quickly to the start of the record. After messing with the AS the weight I have where the needle raises and drops at the exact point is 1.2??? Is this right and should I keep this tracking? It sounds good but don't want to damage my stylus or records. Thanks in advance for your response... Cheers!!!

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Dan. Thanks for watching. Not really sure I understand what is going on. Normally when lowering the anti-skate the needle wants to move inwards more quickly. You seem to notice the opposite. With a tracking force of 2.3 the cartridge is usually eager to start, nothing wrong with that (mine is at 2.5, although this is of course depending of the type of cartridge). How is your alignment? Is it square? Maybe something is a little off, which you compensate with lowering the anti-skate. I would start with checking the general setup of the cartridge. Happy holidays. /Paul

  • @Paneeks1960
    @Paneeks19605 жыл бұрын

    Hello Paul. Great to see you again. Now I know that you have a Technics SL-1200 turntable. I just bought a brand new out of the box eighties model and I am really digging it. Although I am still learning the small tweaks that are needed to get it running smoothly. One of them is setting the anti-skate. So your video came at the right time. Thank you for the demonstration. Now can I ask you where you set your 1200 for the perfect playback? Also would a new cartridge effect the setting on the anti-skate because of the different weights? Thanks Paul. Your insights, info and demo's are always appreciated. I Love the way that you think both outside and inside the dust cover~ Rob/Boston

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Rob. Nice to hear from you again. It's cool to hear you're spinning your vinyl on a Technics SL1200. You are correct the anti skating force is dependent on the cartridge and the set tracking force. What cartridge and tracking force are you using? If you let me know, I can suggest a setting. That can be starting point to see what works best for you. Take care. Cheers. /Paul

  • @MrNicks-gn8jc

    @MrNicks-gn8jc

    4 жыл бұрын

    I have a Technics 1200 and will take you up on this. I am Nagaoka MP-150 and tracking at 1.9 grams

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Marty. Cool to get a comment from another SL1200 users. Classic turntable. If you are willing to experiment...I would suggest a value of 1,6 anti skating force for your combo. I think it will sing :) Very nice combo by the way. Cheers. /Paul

  • @MrNicks-gn8jc

    @MrNicks-gn8jc

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL How ironic !! After watching your video, I adjusted my anti-skate to 1.6, where it is right now

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MrNicks-gn8jc Nice coincidence! If you're in the mood and used how it sounds now, you can also try to increase the tracking force a little. Maybe go for 2,1 and leave the anti skating as it is. My personal preference is for some some reason always just above manufacturer recommendation. Let me know with which you are happiest. Cheers. /Paul

  • @TechCrazy
    @TechCrazy Жыл бұрын

    I used a "Test record" by Tacet where they have a track to test tracking force. The way they test is to play a certain frequency with increasing volume and look for distortions in both channels. I tried that recently and found that reducing the tracking force than the recommended value lowered the distortions. So you maybe right on this one.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi! Thanks for the comment and taking the time to try it out. Happy to hear it also worked for you. Cheers. /Paul

  • @paulbowyer3357
    @paulbowyer33574 жыл бұрын

    Hi Paul, this is a great video, really helpful. Anti-skate has probably caused me more confusion than any other turntable optimization parameter. I have a Rega RP6 with an RB303 arm. Over the years I've had a number of cartridges on it. With my last one, a Nagaoka MP-200, I found by considerable trial and error and very careful listening that a VTF of just over 1.8g and an anti-skate of 1.5 g sounded best. The MP-200 really didn't like having the anti-skate set the same as the VTF: the sound was dulled and there was occasional distortion on the right channel. I do have a question for you: have you ever tested the anti-skate on one of Rega's more recent tonearms, such as the RB303 or RB330? Did you find that setting the anti-skate to around 75% of the VTF is about right for those arms, or has Rega improved the calibration of their anti-skate mechanism? Cheers!

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Paul. Thanks for the comment. Kudos for finding the best setting by ear and sticking to it, although it contradicts the manual. Like you I entered the rabbit hole, as I didn't really understand what was going on. Nice cartridge by the way, it must sound beautiful in your setup. I never found a good explanation why the factory setup differenciates. Although I'm pretty sure it's not a calibration thing. With different brands, new or old, I often see that a lower anti skate setting gives better sound on the music I listen to. Cheers /Paul2

  • @tomb8430
    @tomb84303 жыл бұрын

    Nice video as always old mate... but I saw a guy who had a blank record, and he used that to determine the anit-skate threshold. This is because you need a rotating under the stylus to see the effect of the skating. I thought it was ingenious. The other thing you could do I guess is use a laserdisc somehow, but I am having trouble finding either. When I first saw your video, it looked like a pizza base on that Numark, and I thought that might be a good way to check my anti-skating, but of course it damaged the stylus. Not all lost though, my wife turned it into a very nice pizza, which we ate that night. Moral of the story. DO NOT try to use a pizza base as a tool to check your ant-skate. Great video as always my friend. Cheers from Sydney , AU.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Tom! It's a pizza base, it is :) I'm personally not a fan of using a blank disc, the dead wax area or a laser disc. As it doesn't represent well the resistance a needle will feel in the groove when playing music. Or maybe a very silent groove, with very little resistance. Also the resistance on the blank disc will be effected by the shape of the diamond. If you are experienced you can counteract this and set the anti skating this way. Hope the pizza tasted well. Makes me hungry :) Cheers. /Paul

  • @celloting01
    @celloting014 жыл бұрын

    I use a Shure Test record where there is an anti-skate track. This way my anti-skate is usually accurate (VTF is 1.7g and anti-skate is at 1.2g) and I can usually tell if it's slightly off bc you can hear it 'mis-tracks' usually on the last track. Also the VTA/SRA (approx. 92 degree) has a significant bearing on the performance of the anti-stake eg if it's off then you'll find your anti-skate will suffer and becomes erratic. Someone below said that springs as tensioners lose their 'springiness' and I think that's true and frustrating. And also the room temperature affects its performance. At the end of the day, with experience, your ears become your best judge. Interesting contraption you've devised and thanks for the explanation.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Thanks for stopping by and comment. Yes, your right, our ears are the best judge. With experience it's the best way to find the optimal setting by ear. Interesting mind experiment to see if and when the VTA is off, your anti-skate will suffer. One will for sure influences the other. Cheers. /Paul

  • @pauliuss315
    @pauliuss3153 жыл бұрын

    Hi, Paul. Thank you for handy information. I have 2 questions: 1. the distance between wally skater the poles is 10 inch. Is it the distance between poles axes, o poles surface? 2. as I understood correctly distance from plumb and tone arm is different for different tone arm lengths, in instructions it is said 7-8 and 10-12 in different places. Do you have values or formula to calculate percentages for 9` , 10` and 12` arms? Regards

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Thanks for the comment. Yes you're correct. The distance of 10 inch is measured where both cross. For what I understood the settings for the distances are coming from an early seventies Thorens research. But I'm not sure if they are calculated or decided by experiment. Have fun experimenting :) Cheers. /Paul

  • @belarus_am
    @belarus_am3 жыл бұрын

    Well, and what is your advice: should I check the anti skate on the "empty" record, i.e on the record without any grooves. I'm asking because my mechanic anti scate on my Yamaha gt 750 do not work properly, I think. The arm is going out of the empty record when I'm setting 1,75 weight to the anti skate, as the tracking force of my at30. Or what the manufacturer said to be should be done and the arm should stay dead on the empty record and it's normal that it's going out the record? Help me please

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi! I'm not a fan of using a blank disc. If you're using it for checking, the arm should always move to the spindel. The speed will depend a little on the shape of the stylus. A conical shape will move a little faster, as it has encounters less resistance, as for example an elliptical stylus. Hope this is helpful. Cheers. /Paul

  • @QoraxAudio
    @QoraxAudio5 жыл бұрын

    So the Rega uses magnets to apply anti-skating force, that's new to me. Are those electrical magnets or permanent magnets? I only knew about the wound up spring (like the Technics tonearms) and weight on a string (like the Dynavector DV500 series). The downside of a wound up spring is that it can lose tension over the years, compared to a weight on a string.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yep, it's constructed with permanent magnets. You push them closer together to get a stronger anti skating. Haven't pulled one apart, so it's a guess :) It's a nice way to do it, as it's pretty controllable. Cheers. /Paul

  • @QoraxAudio

    @QoraxAudio

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL Ah yeah, i'm familiar with the principle using permanent magnets from other applications. For example, a magnetic clicker on a modern bow works in a very similar way. Some types of mechanical switches also incorporate this principle. It's fairly reliable, as long as it does not get a direct impact, like falling for example. Also fooling around with magnetic metals for a long time can reduce the magnetic strength (how I screwed a Technics magnetic ring, by keeping it in a can full of bolts, washers and nuts).

  • @jjfn3782
    @jjfn37824 жыл бұрын

    Hello, I hope you are very well, given the contingency we live in the world. Excellent your video, I have a rega p3, and I want to adjust the anti skating, I would like to occupy the device that appears in your video, for which I must build it, you can provide me with the name, or information on how to build it, I mean the one you built and It is a pendulum, which holds the arm?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi! All is well. Thank you for the positive feedback. The official name is WallySkater and here is a link to the manual. www.simplyblack.net/images/pdf/WallySkaterInstructions.pdf It has a lot of information, how to use it, but also some drawings. Cheers. /Paul

  • @jjfn3782

    @jjfn3782

    4 жыл бұрын

    X junkie NL thank you!!!!

  • @MrGraafie
    @MrGraafie Жыл бұрын

    Hoi Paul, ik heb een Technics 1200GR met een AT-OC9XSL element. Alles perfect afgesteld naalddruk op 2.0 en de anti skating door middel van een testplaat bepaald op 2.0...ik draai al een aantal maanden mijn vinyl met deze instellingen maar was nooit helemaal tevreden, het geluid was nooit helemaal goed in balans. Maar ja, als de testplaat aangeeft dat 2.0 voor anti skating de juiste instelling is.....Ik heb net jouw theorie eens uitgeprobeerd om de anti skating met 25% te verlagen en wist niet wat ik hoorde, de linker en rechter kanaal perfect in balans, en geen rare bijgeluiden of wat dan ook. Eindelijk een filmpje op KZread gevonden van iemand die weet waar hij het over heeft. Bedankt Paul voor je tijd en je uitleg. Groetjes, Folly

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi Folly. Je draait met een mooie combo platen! Fijn te horen dat je succes met mijn methode. Het is soms opvallend hoeveel effect een kleine verandering in anti skating kan brengen. Ook deze keer is minder, weer meer :) Dank voor het delen van je ervaring. Fijne avond nog. Groet. /Paul

  • @anjovandijk9797
    @anjovandijk97975 жыл бұрын

    Dag Paul zou graag de afmetingen willen weten van de DIY anti-skating tool All depends on Measure and Adjustment thx for sharing

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Anjo. De belangrijkste maat is de afstand tussen het bovenste punt en het punt van meten, dit moet 10 inch zijn. Daar onder heb je nog wat ruimte nodig, zeg ongeveer 1inch. De naald moet ongeveer een paar millimeter boven het plateau kunnen zweven. Als je meer info odig hebt, hoor ik het wel. Succes. /Paul

  • @rpg896
    @rpg8963 жыл бұрын

    This is one of the more interesting videos on the subject that I have ever seen. My question would be this... I suspect the antiskating (AS) in my Audio Technica is AT-LP120XBT-USB is totally crazy and it is not measuring properly. Someone online suggest using the vertical tracking digital scale placed horizontally to measure actual antiskating force. Does this sound reasonable to you? Thanks for a great video.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Never heard about that trick. Could work, but first check manually if the scale is working properly when holding vertical. As an alternative you could use a CD or something similar. With no or minimum anti skating the arm should move to the inside (towards the spindel). WIth maximum anti skating the arm should stay at the same position or move to the outside (away from the spindle). Hope this help a little. Thanks for watching. Cheers. /Paul

  • @rpg896

    @rpg896

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL I’ve read that the blank disk trick gives false values. My anti skate is crazy, even on zero it pulls towards the outside. Using the sideways digital scale it gave me like a .0.8 AS value. I’ll hear and see if I can notice distortion between channels... I haven’t so far.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    I mentioned the CD more as a way to test your anti skating mechanism. Not so much as to set or adjust the anti skating. Can you see anything visible wrong with the mechanism? This doesn't sound right at all. /Paul

  • @rpg896

    @rpg896

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL you video and replies are very welcome. 👍 The AT LP120 has had problems with AS for years and since this is a new TT I thought it might be already fixed. I cannot detect any damage or outside issues with the knob/mechanism. I’m trying to tweak it myself if it’s a calibration I can do, bc sending it back means I’ll be months waiting for a replacement as it is back ordered with no supply date. 🤷‍♂️ I tried the blank CD method and it gives me aprox a 1.25 AS value. The 0.8 value I wrote about was using 10% of VTF as you and others have suggested and placing the arm at halfway over the record. As I say, I cannot detect audible distortions. I am pretty happy with your 10% advise. It’s probably my tinnitus... 😂 Thanks again for such well documented and explained videos.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good to hear the turntable is playing well. The anti skating must be at a value that is in the ballpark. Too bad the unit had issues from the start. Maybe a fix will be released in the future. /Paul

  • @NateEll
    @NateEll4 жыл бұрын

    This guy gets it!

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good to hear we agree on this, Nathan! Thanks for watching. Cheers. /Paul

  • @NateEll

    @NateEll

    4 жыл бұрын

    X junkie NL - it’s refreshing that someone understands why there is skating and how to properly set anti skating. Way too may people advocate using a blank disc. That betrays a fundamental misunderstanding. It’s also wrong.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    There is a lot of confusing information out there on this subject. Not sure why that is.

  • @richardherbert3519
    @richardherbert35193 жыл бұрын

    Hi,l have just found your channel and am very interested in your set up for anti skate checking. I have looked at the website you suggested but it gives no dimensions. If possible can you please supply me with : the distance from the platter to the first bar ( measuring bar) and the distance from the first bar to the second bar ( pivot bar). Hope you can help, Regards Richard Herbert

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Richard. Cool to hear you're interested in making a device yourself. The distance is an approximation. I choose a position that coincides with the first and last track on a record. These are the two extremes. As you can see in the video, the bottom bar is not fixed. Hopes the info helps a little. Good luck. Cheers. /Paul

  • @CJ-gy8ie
    @CJ-gy8ie3 жыл бұрын

    Do I need to adjust the tonearm before I adjust the anti-skate? Also, what do I listen for on the record to tell if it's a tonearm issue or an anti-skate issue?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Personally I would adjust the tonearm first. Next the anti-skate setting. In general with the tonearm you change the sound balance. Anti-skating is more about tracking. If you hear mistracking, I would double check the anti skate setting. Of course many other factors are involved, which make this hobby fun ;) Thanks for watching. Cheers. /Paul

  • @TheBudgie29
    @TheBudgie294 жыл бұрын

    Hi Paul. I have a Rega planer 3 (Now In the Loft) and It uses the same Anti-Skate as the one You have here. Only It doesn't seem to do anything. What could be the Problem?.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sorry to hear you have a problem with your Rega. It sounds as if the magnet is no longer connecting to the knob you're moving. I don't remember exactly, but if you remove the arm, you can look at the bottom of the arm and there is an opening where the magnet is visible. Maybe it's something you can check. Good luck. /Paul

  • @TheBudgie29

    @TheBudgie29

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL Thanks Paul I will have a go and see If that Is the Problem. I didn't want to mess with the tonearm because If You watch a film on Here from the Rega Factory. It shows You how the arm Is put together. It Is a High Presser joint of some kind. The Factory Is just down the Road from Me. I knocked the Door but no one answered. I have phoned as well It Is like they have no after care. Thanks Again.

  • @philmingasson
    @philmingasson3 жыл бұрын

    Hello and thanx for the video. Not sure I understand your data though. You said the consensus was that you needed to have the AS setting to 10% of the tracking force. Further on the video you say the setting is at 1.5. Does that mean that your cartridge has a tracking weight of 15g ? That doesn't seem to be right... Could you please clear things out for me ? Thanx :)

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hello Philippe. Sorry for confusing you with all the numbers. Remember the number on the anti skate dial is a relative number, not an absolute number. Manufacturers write on the dial a value that is easy to understand. The ideal absolute value is 10% of the tracking force. As you can see in the video, if I set the anti skate force to 10% of the tracking force, and the tracking force is 2.0 grams, the dial on the anti skate dial shows 1.5. Hope this helps a little. If not, let me know and I try again :) All the best. Cheers. /Paul

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, you are right, 10% of 2 grams is 0,2 gram. The question is, how do you set 0,2 gram of anti-skating? The dial to set anti-skating does not show grams. When using a tool like the WallySkater and set de anti-skate at 0,2 grams, the dial shows 1,5. This does not mean the anti-skate is set at 1,5 gram, it is set at 0,2 grams. /Paul

  • @michaelmcevoy4551
    @michaelmcevoy45513 жыл бұрын

    Great video is the plumbob weight critical

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Michael. Thanks! You can make the plumbob as heavy as you want, it has no effect on the measurement. It's only goal is to keep the wire straight. Well one exception, don't make it so heavy the whole construction tips over ;) Cheers. /Paul

  • @michaelmcevoy4551

    @michaelmcevoy4551

    3 жыл бұрын

    Made the caliber this weekend brilliant many thanks

  • @jim_wicks
    @jim_wicks2 жыл бұрын

    Hey all, Peter Ledermann of Soundsmith is an anti-skate advocate of the procedure used by Frank Schröder, the famous tonearm designer. According to Peter, “what he (Frank) did was he took a stylist and he dropped it down at the end of the record between the runout grooves, not in the run-out groove at the end of the record, but on the surface, the top of the record where the record is mirror smooth. Now, when you drop a stylist there, it's only going to stay there for a moment before the end groove picks it up. But if you observe the arm at that time and you get the anti skating adjusted so that the tonearm moves inwards towards the spindle slowly, that's about the best adjustment you can do for anti-skating. It's the best compromise." I tried it, and it seems to work very well. To my ears, my records now sound more balanced, and the sibilance is gone. After setting the anti-skate this way, I did as Paul suggested and checked. He is correct: the new tracking force is 25% lower than that recommended by the manufacturer. Have any of you tried Frank Schröder's method? I'd be interested in knowing what results you all got. btw .... if you are interested, Peter's video is here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aKShppOgea_Fk7g.html And thank you Paul! Cheers, J

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Jim. Thanks for the additional method. In a way it is comparable to using a blank CD. Although the material in contact with the stylus is different. The material will react different with the stylus, but this is also true for the shape of the stylus. It will have a direct influence on the resistance the stylus encouters. I've tried it, and it needs some experience. Ones familiar with your specific cartridge it's a great and simple way to set the anti skate. Also nice to see, ones set correctly, it gives the same result. Have a nice Sunday. Cheers. /Paul

  • @astolatpere11

    @astolatpere11

    4 ай бұрын

    I had distortion that I traced to anti skating that I had set per tt instructions (= to vtf). I read a lot on line and came across SoundSmith's reccomendation. I found it tricky to set my stylus in the space between the last track and the runout groove. Instead I used a Shure test record with a blank track where the stylus moved slowly to the center. Turned out to be about .5 on the anti skate knob on a 1.5 gram vtf. And no audible distortion!

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 ай бұрын

    Hi. Good to hear you got the problem with distortion solved. Thanks for sharing your experience. It shows again you shouldn't believe the numbers on the anti-skate-dial. Enjoy the music :) Cheers. /Paul

  • @jerryandlisa27
    @jerryandlisa272 жыл бұрын

    Hello what antiskate setting are you using onnyour denon dl103r I have mine set to the same amount of tracking force wich is 2.5 I notice the right speaker is always louder than the left please help.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    Жыл бұрын

    Hello Jerry. Sorry for my late response. The setting I like the most is a tracking force of 2.6 gram. And an antiskate of 2.0 on the dial. Try it out, and let me know if you like it. All the best. Cheers. /Paul

  • @jerryandlisa27

    @jerryandlisa27

    Жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL I added the KAB TD1000 damping and the improvement was amazing you should review it and take a listen , let me know

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the tip. I haven't added the damping modification to my unit. Good to hear you get great results. Have a sunny sunday. /Paul

  • @gerardopadilla4393
    @gerardopadilla43932 жыл бұрын

    Hello my friend, I have a question on your technics sl1200g are you adjusting the antiskate the same way? Or are you adjusting the same tracking to anntiskate ? I have the 1200gr and I notice the antiskare is too strong if I apply the same as the vtf. The arm moves towards the arm rest when trying to cue a song please help

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Gerardo. That doesn't sound right. Yes, I use the same general rule of thumb. On my Technics I have the anti skate 25% lower as the vertical tracking force. It seems your setting makes the anti skate too strong. The arm should always move to the center. You probably already have checked, but be sure your turntable is level. Cheers. /Paul

  • @gerardopadilla4393

    @gerardopadilla4393

    2 жыл бұрын

    It is leveled maybe I did not explain my self I'm using a ortofon 2m blue and set the anriskate and the vtf both at 1.8 and try to play a record thr arm goes back slowly to its resting please before I cue it down is it too much antiskate ? Even though that's what the instructions state?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think I better understand. Have you tried using a blank CD? When you put the stylus on the CD, while it is spinning, the arm should slowly move to the center. I'm not sure what is causing the arm to move when it is lifted. It is not normal it is moving to the arm resst. /Paul

  • @leon9021
    @leon90215 жыл бұрын

    Great video! You touch on a lot of problems that people usually dont understand. But, I would argue that there is no perfect anti skate, only an optimal one. As you mentioned yourself, as the music gets louder the skating forces change as well, and no record is always equally loud all the time. So there will almost always be a constant error with ANY anti skate setting, even the one in the video. However, Ive also heard that other studies have concluded that music spends most of its time at 70% modulation in the grooves, across all genres and styles. So it stands to reason that you would ideally want your anti skate to counter act 70% modulation and the way to do this is the deadwax method you also mentioned. Having the arm move slowly inwards on the deadwax gets you close to that value, and coincidentally I have a Rega which at near 2 grams of tracking force needs about 1.8 anti skate to do just that. So perhaps these methods are quite close in the end, but regardless, anti skating will never be perfect across a full record, let alone your whole collection. And this also means its impossible to hear what setting is best. Just like with the test records, you can get it to work for those test grooves near perfectly, but the rest of the grooves will not track perfectly. Its a wild goose chase and its probably the least accurate setting on any turntable. As long as its not 0 or max and the music sounds good most of the time I say its good enough.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Leon. Cool to see you took the time to watch many of my videos and comment. I appreciate your input. Thanks! We probably think along the same lines. Although I don't agree with your summary. Personally I feel that setting the anti skate force is very similar to setting the cartridge alignment. Not in the fact that they are equally important, but that both are off most of the time. Still their is a perfect cartridge alignment, which gives the least distortion. A perfect anti skating gives the best tracking. Maybe more complex as there are more variables, and as you say the least accurate setting. Still very valuable to get it right. Cheers. /Paul

  • @leon9021

    @leon9021

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL Hehe, no problem, I also subscribed when finding I had not been until today, would have commented a lot earlier on your videos if I had been. But I think I disagree with the alignment analogy if only slightly. Yes, alignment is also off most of the time, only the two null points allow perfect linear tracking, unless your tonearm has linear tracking, but thats another topic. I find that similarly to anti skating, we want to find the optimal alignment in this case, since there is no perfect tracking across a whole record side. And with alignment we can actually be more specific in some cases. Say for someone who only listens to Classical music or 7" singles, we would want the null points to be near the label. But for someone with very varied tastes the baerwald alignment is more suitable. To find what the best is we first have to know our goal, and it will be different for different listeners. This is another reason why I argue there is no perfect setting for everyone. For me, and you too I believe, it is not to track some overly loud test track like everything we listen to is compressed and loud metal or hardrock. Or to align our carts for optimal close label tracking like the examples above. We want a median setting that works overall best across our whole and varied collection and as Ive understood it the best thing to do is match the anti skate to the most occurring modulation value in the grooves.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the sub, Leon. Always nice to have subscribers with your knowledge on board. I don't know if you checked my video, 3 Reasons Black Is Best. It's a fun one :) Have a great Sunday. Cheers. /Paul

  • @hugoluisserra
    @hugoluisserra5 жыл бұрын

    What about the anti-skate calibration record? Does it work?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hi Hugo. Thanks for watching. I can't say in general that a test record doesn't get the optimal setting. Although when the test record uses tracks with high modulation, which is most often the case, you end up with an anti skating force that is too high. Hope this helps. /Paul

  • @shvinehoond
    @shvinehoond4 жыл бұрын

    Should the stylus sit at one part of the record? I use a laser disc to test and the stylus always moves out and sits at the edge of the record (laserdisc)

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi. I would put the stylus in the center. In theory you need a little more anti skate force at the outer edge compared to the inside. But the anti skate mechanism should take care of that. On a blank disc without zero anti skate setting the arm should move quickly to the inside. As resistance is pulling the arm to the inside. If you increase the anti skate force and the arm is no longer moving to the inside, it is too high. Hope this helps. Cheers. /Paul

  • @shvinehoond

    @shvinehoond

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL so the anti skate should pull the stylus to the middle of the blank disc? Or the end of the blank disc?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's the groove in the vinyl that pulls the stylus to the center. Anti skate pulls to the outside and tries to compensate. /Paul

  • @shvinehoond

    @shvinehoond

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL ok thank you

  • @dubdefender216
    @dubdefender2164 жыл бұрын

    So if the tracking force is 3gram, what would recommend the anti-skate should be?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    First step I would go down to 2,5. And compare it the current 3,0 setting. Can you hear Improvement? Maybe have better tracking? If not go to something like 2,7. Have fun experimenting. Cheers. /Paul

  • @dubdefender216

    @dubdefender216

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL Cheers Paul, many thanks for the advice.

  • @DIRECTSOUNDVINYL
    @DIRECTSOUNDVINYL4 жыл бұрын

    Hello Paul, I have a question for the antikskating. If the arm can't stay fix on all point on a blank disk, antiskating is defekt ? For example, hier; on the AT turntable new model, arm can stay fix in the middle (no problem) but not on coast. What do you think ? (all new models Audio Technica are like that) I have a SL1500 technics but I bought myself this little LP120X in second turntable you kzread.info/dash/bejne/nZ2X17edebWahZs.html

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Yes it seems something is wrong. On a blank disc without zero anti skate setting the arm should move quickly to the inside. As resistance is pulling the arm to the inside. If you increase the anti skate force and the arm is no longer moving to the inside, it is too high. In theory you need a little more anti skate force at the outer edge compared to the inside. But the anti skate mechanism should take care of that. Hope this helps. The SL1500 is one cool turntable. Congratulations! Cheers. /Paul

  • @DIRECTSOUNDVINYL

    @DIRECTSOUNDVINYL

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL do you now that this antiskating system on lp120x can destroy lp ? I have that impression that each turntable have a different antiskating system. For test for example whit twoo blank disk on my sl1500c, first blank lp, i have 2 antiskating, second blank lp 4... i put next a video on my chanel for this problem.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@DIRECTSOUNDVINYL In general a wrong anti skate force can cause mistracking. But you need severe mistracking to cause damage to the groove. Why do you want to use a blank disc to set anti skate? It is not the easiest method, and needs some experience.

  • @DIRECTSOUNDVINYL

    @DIRECTSOUNDVINYL

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL i dont now another method for have a good antiskating...its very difficult. I noticed that, whit some turntables, i can keep the arm stable overal the lp and for other turntable, i can keep the arm only in the middle of the lp or a another point only. Thats what i don't understand....

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Do you use the same cartridge on all turntables? Do they have the same shape stylus tip? Can you already see grooves of the blank disc created by the stylus? Do you drop the cartridge with the same force on the blank disk? Do you use the same tracking force? Just some random questions. All effect the resistance the stylus will encounter.

  • @littlenellie1028
    @littlenellie10283 жыл бұрын

    Do yo have a link that shows how to make this anti-skate measurement device shown on this video?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Here is a link to the manual of the original device. www.simplyblack.net/images/pdf/WallySkaterInstructions.pdf It has a lot of information, how to use it, and also some drawings. Cheers. /Paul

  • @littlenellie1028

    @littlenellie1028

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL Thanks for the info..

  • @FortunatasDirgincius
    @FortunatasDirgincius3 жыл бұрын

    For a month or so I used 1:1 formula for anti skating and a tracking force. Today I got “empty” vinyl and checked. You are 100 percent right :) it was too much of it. And instead of 1.4 g I had to set antiskating to 0.8. Interesting what if I lower a tracking force down to 1.15-1.20

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Cool to hear you came to the same conclusion. For my setup a great setting is always close to 1: 3/4, but it takes a little bit of experimenting to find the right setting. Curious if you get also good results with a value of just above 1.0 as you suggest. Thanks for the comment. Cheers. /paul

  • @belarus_am

    @belarus_am

    3 жыл бұрын

    And what was the result, did the tonearm go to the centre of the record or out of it? I can't set up my Yamahas GT 750 anti skate, the arm always goes out of the empty record what the force I'm trying.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    That is strange. If I understand correctly the arm goes to the outside with every setting of the anti skate. Also when set to zero? Can you feel resistance in the arm when you move it? Does it move to the outside at every location on the record? /Paul

  • @belarus_am

    @belarus_am

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL yes tonearm was going outside in all positions, even without anti skate weight, there was a little problem with the arm, the screw should be fixed correctly on the arm and inside it, that was the problem. Thanks

  • @belarus_am

    @belarus_am

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL and there is a question again: how should be setting the tonearm when there is no weight on it? I have hanging weight in my Yamaha gt 750. How should it behave, going outside the record a little bit, moving to the centre a bit, or just should stay that position you are setting?

  • @Livewire91
    @Livewire915 жыл бұрын

    I have a technics sl-1210gr and i use the ortofon blue cartridge which recommended tracking force is 1.8g and so my anti skate is also set to 1.8. Is this ok? Cartridge is aligned with the overhang gauge.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    5 жыл бұрын

    Congratulations on an awesome turntable. I would definitely also try it at 1.5 gram. Your arm is sensitive enough to pick up the difference. See if you like the music more or less. It's an fun experiment. Have fun. Cheers. /Paul

  • @mrgevans5126
    @mrgevans51264 жыл бұрын

    Nice apparatus, I had never seen that before, If I may... I have a thought to make it more accurate if you would like to try...Instead of a rubber band to hold the tonearm, try a string and small magnet positioned on the centerline of the headshell front edge, (If magnetic of course). changing the subject a little... Your test record signal could be put through a program that can actually allow you to see the waveform to then analyze the moment of unwanted noise in regards to your anti-skating movement. Test each anti-skate increment to a known timeline until all values of anti-skate are accounted for. Look back at the wave and choose the minimalist noise anti-skate value from your timeline. The adjustment period when the record was playing through the tone(s) and timed intervals of adjustment should hopefully be clearer to spot this way. Thank you for the video and sharing. =D Good luck

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Mr. G. Thanks for the comment and the tip. A small magnet is a neat idea. Hahah, you saw me fiddling with the band. I understand what you want to achieve with the waveform/test record. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. What you would get, is an anti skate setting that is perfect to reproduce a sine wave. The friction caused by this wave, and that needs to be compensated for by the anti skate force, is not comparable with the friction caused by the music in groove. You most probably end up with a too low setting. All the best. Cheers. /Paul

  • @mrgevans5126

    @mrgevans5126

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL Hi Paul, hope the magnet tip comes in use. =D Damn shame you couldn't pick up any noise to find a clean spot. I've never tried to see what would happen myself as I have no turntable(s). I thought I had an idea of some value you'd better had reviewed for your projects. Thanks for the lesson =D All the best!

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    No problem, we need to think out of box. Although especially with vinyl, almost everything has been solved already in the seventies...we only forgot how ;) /Paul

  • @mrgevans5126

    @mrgevans5126

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL Well to be honest Paul, after watching your video there were things I had never seen before. So forgetful or not, I don't think too much of the information from the 70s ever came to be common knowledge to be fair. Closely guarded secrets maybe, if you get me? lol =D I have a couple of question, sorry you've started me off now, lol =D Q1). What do you think of anti-skate for DJs as they move the record in both directions, is there any information from way back that calculates forward and backward motion in regards to dialing in anti-skate? Q2). Sorry, but back again to my initial idea of checking the waves, if you knew the type of wave(s) you should be getting and you attained them but also due to too much anti-skate producing a different wave you might see those waves too, you would have comparable waves forms if you did multiple recordings of the waves? -I've probably got this wave thing wrong. I'm just troubled because every pop, crackle, and scrape should give off it's own freq as everything resonates or shall we say makes a noise. We should be able to analyze those nasty bits in a recording studio and either cut or filter those signals out, such as a mains hum or rub. But you see what I'm trying to get at, you must be able to identify these signals to edit them out. If we made a record of a short musical piece of different instruments playing different freq and at different recording levels, would you think a multiband freq analyzer might be able to show up the scratchy rubbing inclusions if we magnified all the noise and spread out the signals? I know the mains hum would show up. What are your thoughts, and If you have any reference to any reading on the subject I would be grateful if you could provide any? I've started something so I want to learn what's happening, lol. =D If you can't answer don't feel pushed or anything, lol. I'm very curious to know now. lol =D I've noticed that different parts of a record sometimes have both shallow and deep grooves, would you agree that this make a variable for anti-skate, for loud and quieter moments on the record would vibrate the needle differently, so it seems a tough one if you're looking for a setting of universal effect. The test record and it's single wave tone, recorded from one recording level would also make itself a variable in the test, as on a real music record the level of different modulations and multiple freq(s) produced would make the needle in the groove move differently to a single tone/wave from a test record. It seems quite complex to me, that's why I'm optimistic we might find a better way to look at this somehow. Back to school for me, =D Many thanks All the best Paul

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi again. DJ solved it by increasing the tracking force to the maximum. And when that's not enough put a penny on the headshell. This makes the needle follow the groove any way they move it. The funny thing is, the original signal is available. It's on the master tape. As you wrote comparing the frequency spectrum could be an option. In your last paragraph you hit the nail on head. This is why it is such a complex subject. In the seventies they did experiments with a cartridge that measured the force on the needle. There are so many factors influencing the tracking capabilities. It's part of the magic it still sounds as good as it does. /Paul

  • @tjingboem5447
    @tjingboem54473 жыл бұрын

    i have set my anti-skating using a dead track. It turned out that i had to set it to 3. This seems high, is it better to set it to 3 - 25% = 2,25?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Setting the anti-skating using the dead wax is possible, but you need a little experience to get it right. You can try 2,25 and see if you like the sound. I don't know which cartridge you use, so I can't recommend a value. It's also better to experiment a little and see what you like most. Have fun! Cheers. /Paul

  • @tjingboem5447

    @tjingboem5447

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL the cartridge i have bought a while back, is a Ortofon MC-3 Turbo. The HiFi shop i trust advised me to get this one for my Pioneer PL-505. It is pretty expensive, so i'd like to know: if, because of an incorrect setting of the antiskate, the wear on the needle will be great or will the wear of the record be extensive?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    I just looked at the specification of your cartridge. Nice cartridge! Tracking force recommended is between 1,8g and 2,2g. Based on this information I would try setting the anti skating at values between 1,5 and 2,0 and see what sounds best to you. Also do also a quick check if you anti skating mechanism is working correctly. /Paul

  • @tjingboem5447

    @tjingboem5447

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XjunkieNL Thanks Paul. Yes, i do not trust the anti skating mechanism- it is a good but old record player (35 years?) and can imagine the spring is not up-to-specs anymore...perhaps one day you can do a video on how to set the anti-skating by listening?

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    3 жыл бұрын

    Nice idea. Not so simple to execute. But in general, trust your own ears. Just take your time, you will hear the difference. Have a great weekend. /Paul

  • @Rancherinaz
    @Rancherinaz Жыл бұрын

    So the consensus seems to be that your anti skate value should be set lower than your VTF . I’ve always just set mine to match . It’s always worked very well and I’ve never noticed any kind of distortion or mistracking out of one or the other channels or even any IGD . But none the less , I find this topic very intriguing and have never put any thought into it . I’ve never checked VTA and SRA either . I’ve just used the turntable manufacturers supplied alignment tools for cartridge installation , set the weight , matched the antiskate value and been done with it . After watching this video I got shuffled to some others but the results in those showed that there was typically more antiskate value added instead of less . In other words , a value of 2.5 or even 3.5 antiskate value to a VTF of 2 grams . Interesting stuff … kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZIBopcqwpsKnoZM.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/faZoo8ask5PNdqQ.html

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the links, Dave. Interesting to hear they a higher value is suggested. Curious which method they used. Have you tried yourself a different value? Cheers. /Paul

  • @Rancherinaz

    @Rancherinaz

    Жыл бұрын

    I’ve always just set it to match the tracking force weight . I’m thinking the manufacture compensates for the basic setting and tries to make it easy on the user by having the setting numbers match the tracking weight . I’ve never heard any mistaking of distortion from one channel or the other . Not even any inner groove distortion .

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    Жыл бұрын

    If you're happy with the sound, leave it as it is. If you're willing to experiment, and have the time, go to a lower setting. And see if you like sound more or less after a few album. /Paul

  • @mertonnephake
    @mertonnephake10 ай бұрын

    I’ve just come across an official video with a tonearm assembly and mounting by Reed, what caught my attention was that their tonearm has two separate antiskating settings for inner and outer groove of a record. (It begins roughly at 6th minute. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pKaauM9_lcWriaw.html ) Have you known there are such solutions? I didn’t know, I knew there are different antiskate mechanisms, like springs, magnets or weights on cords, but did not know about this, I guess, it’s a magnet solution as it looks kind of complicated.

  • @XjunkieNL

    @XjunkieNL

    8 ай бұрын

    Hi! Sorry for my late reply. Your comment contained a link and for that reason was blocked by KZread. Thanks for the tip. Never seen such a device. Interesting concept, but as you say looks kind of complicated. On the other hand, as an engineer I like complex solutions :) All the best. Cheers. /Paul