They probably didn't add the MP36 and Bi-Level Coaches to add them in another 'Loco-Add-On' Bundle

@bettyacheampong5412

8 ай бұрын

And on a little note metrolink also uses the emd f59ph and f59phi in real life

@jonathonsantos8306

8 ай бұрын

​@bettyacheampong5412 I have never seen metrolink use those locomotives irl but I haved in pictures, is it rare or what?

@Izaiah_wizz

6 ай бұрын

@@jonathonsantos8306they have been retired in 2020 but only very few F59PHRs still run to this day but the F59PHIs and PHRs were very common back then

South of the Palmdale station, there is a spur for Union Pacific freight trains that heads southeast towards the Cajon Pass; it runs parallel with the BNSF Barstow-San Bernardino Line

5:36 Emd is now known as progress rail which is a subsidiary of Caterpillar which explains the Caterpillar prime mover. As for why no one has bought them idk why I’m more of a freight guy. I’m going to assume it is probably cost or the fact that a lot of railroads are using up their “tier 3 credits” which is an excuse to buy and build /rebuild lower epa tier locomotives. Norfolk Southern especially loves to do that as they love the Sd70ACe apparently which is a epa tier 3 locomotive.

@Dexter037S4

3 ай бұрын

The Charger is just a better locomotive overall, same problem that the MP54AC is facing.

Instead of coming out with new boring commuter rail in the US, they should expand the ones already made. Instead of just the Harlem line, they should finish all 3 lines. Same thing for LIRR and NJT.

@potatoman451

9 ай бұрын

New license, new route. I like this route and is different from the other routes. Not every single route has to be the busiest route there is.

@John-tr6of

9 ай бұрын

If you included the Raritan Valley Line on NJT, you'd be able to combine freight along the route.

It would have been great if the Orange County Line and the Coster Line, as well as a bit of the Amtrak Pacific Surfliner from San Diego to Los Angeles, were included in the game. Also, it would be nice if they added a Chicago Metra line instead of constantly giving us slow freight lines that take hours to complete.

@bdwtrains

8 ай бұрын

Omg same I have been wanting something that doesn't take me through the mountains and takes me hours to finish

At Union Station there’s the A Line Blue Track at tracks 1 & 2 wish they would add the light rail from Long Beach to Azusa give players a new experience

Im disappointed that dtg in antelope valley line in other rolling stocks is f59phi f59ph f40ph and also turned colors by bi level cars.

@giovannij8514

9 ай бұрын

And also the mpi mp36

@potatoman451

9 ай бұрын

Dtg can't always have everything. F59phis don't even run anymore for metrolink.

@giovannij8514

8 ай бұрын

@@potatoman451 yeah totally

I got a theory here. I think there's a perception that US rail fans prefer freight routes. So they went with a passenger line that would play kind of like a freight route. Mind you, if that's what they did it's a weird and pretty bad concept. Yes US freight has long distances across barren terrain but a big part of why people who enjoy such routes do is the challenge of managing such heavy trains. Essentially going with a passenger route that plays like a freight route gives us a product that really appeals to no one.

Nice review. I don’t know whether I’m satisfied or dissatisfied with this route but I must admit my problems are kinda nitpicks, still annoying. The rolling stock was done really accurately, even down to the stickers inside the passenger cars. The stations are done pretty well too, with the exception of the outside detail at Burbank airport. Funny you mention Santa Clarita and Acton as your two favorites as those are mine too which I think speaks to the accuracy. No departure screens at Via Princessa, that actually is accurate as the station was constructed in a matter of days after a major earthquake. It was never modernized unlike some of the other stations. The F125 is done good as well, now onto the problems. The scenarios are so cheesy, the take a hike thing is so dumb, the prisoner thing is also, dumb. Metrolink is never used for inmate transport and I think I speak for everyone when I say if it was, nobody would ever use the service. The film shoot thing is ironically the least inaccurate thing. Metrolink will allow filming on their tracks for Hollywood productions with written consent and a railroad safety class thing. However what they will not do is run non-revenue trains for you just to film. Ironically they did this for dovetail, but that type of scenario isn’t going to happen for just one thing. Furthermore, they did excellent between LA and Newhall, then it’s almost as if they gave up. The canyon scenery is semi-accurate, it does look kinda like Cajon pass in real life. But there’s some things that just are plain wrong like wtf. Once I got into Palmdale I got really ticked as not only did they fail to capture the surroundings correctly, but they started to just randomly plop things that don’t exist in. This area in real life isn’t exactly barren, but it’s not fully developed either. Why was it so hard to just put in what is currently there as opposed to putting in stuff that completely doesn’t exist! They honestly would have been better leaving the area completely undeveloped here than developing it in make believe. Run8, a simulator I play for the UP Mojave Subdivision (Which is that adjacent track between Palmdale and Lancaster) chose to leave this area bare. I did not have a problem with that. Render it right, or don’t render it at all should be the rule. The AV line is getting a bit of an upgrade for schedule frequency later this month but i’m sure Dovetail won’t be adding it. It is going from 11 daily round trips (9 Lancaster, 2 Vista Canyon) to 15 round trips (11 Lancaster, 4 Vista Canyon). It is an improvement, but since i know dovetail won’t add it, who cares in this context. It wouldn’t be enough to fix frequency issues anyways. I don’t particularly mind this, but I absolutely get your point because it’s fun meeting other trains and not just having the route to yourself. It’s basically that i’m stuck between yeah this was done really well, but this was done eh. So my overall rating for this route out of 10 would be maybe 6.5 at best. I feel like I can’t give it a total fail but I can’t say i’m fully happy either. In one of the livestreams they mentioned MP36s and bombadiers are coming later (I don’t know why it was is so hard to repaint caltrains bombadiers and mp36s into metrolink colors). But you bet your hat they will be another money grab. Consists like what this game sets up are very rare. I think i’ve only photographed one full rotem with an F125. Metrolink tries to get at least one bombadier in per consist because many of the bombadiers had their lower levels retrofitted and several seats removed specifically for bicycle storage. These bombadiers are staying on Metrolink for the long run though as they’ve recently started a refurb project on many of them since they are 30+ years old now. So I hope they weren’t lying when they said the plan was to include bombadiers later.

@MojaveSubMatthew

8 ай бұрын

Oh and as for why more companies didn’t purchase the F125 here’s the story. When they were delivered to Metrolink, it went extremely badly. The locomotives took over 2 years from delivery to even get onto the rails, and after that I wouldn’t say they were fully deployed until several years later. Metrolink became very publicly upset at this as some of the problems the units arrived with were so dumb. A few units were delivered totally missing steps, handrails, and even plows/cowcatchers. Other railroads noticed Amtrak was buying Siemens and was less public about their problems so they followed amtrak. Metrolink now that they have finally gotten all 40 units up and running are supposedly happy with them. There’s been studies ran that have suggested they order more, although getting that done is another problem all together as EMD/CAT doesn’t appear interested in making a small batch of locos like Metrolink wants. The Siemens charger units are not the best quality either unfortunately but it happens to be that EMD just got put on blast more around the industry because they had not approached the construction of the units with the same degree of rigor and diligence as other manufacturers did and that they had done previously. This was also evident in the Tier 4 freight diesels as well, only one railroad, UP actually bought the units and UP actually had to remove them from service for a year or two early in their life as they had so many electrical faults. CSX had 10 of these units, but they were leased and they chose not to renew the lease despite these units not being old.

@jonathonsantos8306

8 ай бұрын

Bro just took time to write a full 6 paragraph essay of the route

@Sammy-jf6gt

7 ай бұрын

@@jonathonsantos8306 So wait, I’m just not sure I’m reading this right. You just watched a video that likely took days of work to write, film, and edit, then complained that the commenter who took maybe 15 minutes to write a comment spent too much time? Is education illegal where you live or something?

Where did you read that LA Metros light rail cars spawn if you compete all the mastery challenges? 9:48

@_that_native_artist_boy_

7 ай бұрын

good question

Seriously? Of course we got L.A Union Station, but on a route to Lancaster…. Why the hell didn’t we get a route from L.A. somewhere else with a Genesis?

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

Another reason why it would've made more sense to go to San Bernardino instead of Lancaster. I haven't seen any explanations from Dovetail on why they chose the AVL (of all routes) in particular.

90th like 😊 when you said "US steam is overdue," I went. "I know right" btw the us steam engines I want the most are but not limited to, the southern pacific GS-4 4449, the Norfolk and western 611 and the articulated Y6's, the up big boy (obviously) and finally, the nyc hudson but that one isn't likely since they can't get audio for it.

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

Those are all good ideas, especially the GS-4 and N&W 'J' class (although I prefer the GS-6 No. 4460 over 4449). As for the NYC steamers, the one class from that railroad that I'd like to see in TSC or TSW is the Niagara 4-8-4.

The F125 is still I guess an EMD product, GM sold the EMD brand to caterpillar in 2005 to their rail equivalent Progress Rail. Since then EMD has just been a name so engines like the SD70ACE were technically built under progress rail instead of EMD directly.

TSW4 wasn't needed. They should have just updated TSW3. They should consider adding other routes that aren't just in Europe and North America. That could change some views.

@bearded_toad

9 ай бұрын

Or TSW2. Or original TSW, for that matter. There are multiple examples of developers switching to a newer engine without re-releasing their game for full price. They still haven't delivered features that they, themselves, advertised for TSW. DTG is borderline scam. There are way better alternatives (some of them open-source) for train simulation needs.

@potatoman451

9 ай бұрын

No licenses

@StrikeEagle78

9 ай бұрын

Agreed. Let's see what kind of short leash Focus puts on them. Doesn't look like the launch of this one was a success. Smaller user base (and with the loss of GamePass a smaller audience on Xbox). Already in damage control with Matt doing a full weekend charity stream (i.e. Corporate tax write-off and game promotion masked in fuzzy warm feelings same as their recent TSW3 fire sale Humble Bundle).

Not that good of a rout, though the altamont corridor service has even less service ( 3 trains in the morning and evening ). A better idea would be capital corridor. ( note this is a comment from a 12 year old )

@MrJavachiller

8 ай бұрын

Or the coaster line

They need to add the Metro A Line light rail since they added the track need rest of the line & make it a extension to see LA

Metrolink recently announced that they will be introducing an hourly time table on the AVL, hopefully Dovetail update the timetable in game so the route feels less spartan, the timetable change comes into effect on October 23

@potatoman451

9 ай бұрын

There are no current plans to update the timetable. Won't happen any time soon but they will think about it

@StrikeEagle78

9 ай бұрын

I wouldn't count on it. Unless a 35 page complaint shows up in their forum demanding this, consider this route basically done and abandoned barring any major issues.

@MojaveSubMatthew

8 ай бұрын

@@potatoman451On October 23rd it’s getting a new timetable, Metrolink confirmed this

I find driving the whole length of the route somewhat of a drag, and I did the whole run in both directions. Even the depot moves are a drag because of the 5mph speed limit. But if it suits the Dovetail Gravy Train, it does.

I agree with everything youve said about this route i find it very boring and some of the scenery looks like its just been copied from other routes also its usually a Dovetail thing a lifeless route

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

A lot of the assets on AVL look like they were ripped straight from Cajon Pass.

@markcovington4761

9 ай бұрын

@@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga absolutely shocking really things need to improve or I will stop buying routes

I will say there are huge patches available for the ts metrolink trains. Even if you own cajon pass, sherman hill, and the f7 the route does seem a bit quiet.

Not as worse, as the Norfolk Southern N line being put onto the base game in Train Simulator Classic (2019) version

The whine sound is also common on the charger locomotives

As someone who lives next to the AV line, can say there is to many trees

There are tons of route suggestions in the TSW forums. I bet no one requested this. I have seen requests for metrolink layered onto cajon pass but not as a standalone route. Meaning they (Dovetail) don’t even care about what their customers want.

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

You're right. The devs do seem to show contempt for their own customers, especially if the existence of this particular route in TSW is anything to go by. They should have done the San Bernardino line, because that has a more frequent service and would link up with Cajon Pass. One suggestion that I posted on the forums was for the Uetlibergbahn - Zurich Hauptbahnhof to Uetliberg. That line is very strange because it has both short underground and steep mountain sections on a very short line. But if Rivet Games were to make it then, dear lord, help us all!

@StrikeEagle78

9 ай бұрын

​@@TheTrainspotterFromTaurangaOf course they show contempt for their customers. All you are is a cost unit cog in their disgusting unethical business plan. How can we extract X$ from X cost units for the cheapest price while maintaining actors that pretend to be friendly towards said cost units. Every excuse is given as to why the route suggestions forum is ignored. And even when they get the needed licences they still ignore the suggestions. Why have such a forum in the first place? Selling hope. Keep a carrot dangling in front of customers. Such a gross business model, hence why they are mostly a failed business while many other examples in the simulation space have gone on to far broader appeal and customer satisfaction.

@potatoman451

9 ай бұрын

@@JA17SBLVIIIMVP That's what you think.

6:33 honestly among the 3 scenarios you had mentioned. Sure they might be bad however I would like to try and defend one of them which is the blockbuster one. I personally like this one because realistically, this does sometime happen of how movies had to call the train company and hire out one of their trains so they could be included in a shot of a movie, some movies does that some time.

While the long length and lack of AI traffic is something that I dislike, I think this is the best part of the standard edition, because no sounds were reused (class 801 and 4042 side note), there is completely new gameplay and the route does have somewhat difficult timetables to keep up to, which is what I like. Waiting at stations for 5 minutes is not my cup of tea.

It's worth mentioning that the Bombardier Bi Level Cars on Metrolink are Series 1 AND 2 cars while the ones on Caltrain are Series 6 and 7 cars. The Series 1 and 2 cars have rivited bodies. I wouldn't be surprised if DTG get lazy and reskin the Series 6/7 cars(Caltrain) into Metrolink Livery which wouldn't be realistic at all in the slightest. Yet it's better than nothing

What’s with the trees/texture rendering in tsw4? They render in such a weird way that throws off any inmersion. Even on PC and high settings looks bad.

There are already bombardier coaches in the tsw series. Weird that dovetail didn’t include them.

@Pimpdaddy_payne

6 ай бұрын

Especially considering the one time they could get away with reskins of existing rolling stock they don’t do it lol.

We should have the Sheffield Supertram in TSW 4 lines which are color coded blue, yellow, purple and tram train these services all run into the city centre and have unique terminus Halfway Park and ride, Malin Bridge for blue Meadowhall interchange and middlewood park and ride purple route Sheffield cathedral and herdings park this line has 1 tram per hour and finally tram train Rotherham Parkgate - Cathedral. There is only 2 trams the siemens duewag a tram built in 1992 they operate the blue, yellow and purple routes the 2nd tram included would be the class 399 tram train there's 7 which can run all 4 tram lines 3 are fitted with train systems 4 are used as spares to cover on the other 3 lines.

I have a question about tsw, now that tsw 4 is out, can i uninstall tsw 3?

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

Yes. That's what I've done.

11:42 jus something you can improve on; if a road name has N or W or E or S or anything like that it usually means the direction the road goes. So N would be North, W would be West, E would be east, etc etc. a lot of people ive found dont really even use these designations and just call the road by its name without the direction indicator like instead of North San Fernando Blvd just saying San Fernando Blvd,

16:49 um you’re forgotten the f40phm-2c that coaster used

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

8 ай бұрын

The reason why I didn't mention the F40s is because I was suggesting that the route be set some time after they were retired.

@bettyacheampong5412

8 ай бұрын

Oh okay thanks

Plz do a Tsw4 ECML review

If anything, TSW should do the Strasburg Railroad for US steam routes

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

That's not a bad idea. Although, personally, I would prefer one of the narrow-gauge lines in Colorado.

3:50 "the reasons are written in blood" can you give more context on what incident happened that cause the cab car to be designed that way?

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

The two major ones were the Glendale (2005) and Chatsworth (2008) crashes. In both instances, the old Bi-Level coaches were severely damaged (some were even scrapped). The Hyundai-Rotem coaches have increased safety measures in case of collisions. I suggest looking up photographs of both accidents so you can see just how badly-damaged the Bombardier coaches were.

@aaroncook2052

9 ай бұрын

​@@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga Man, Chatsworth was such a crazy story.

I agree with this review. It is a nice route. I'd argue one of the best in terms of scenery that DTG made, but there just isn’t much to do and the scenarios are garbage. I bet if they made it as a separate standalone dlc, it wouldn't sell well. The Antelope Valley Line is one of the least busiest lines in the Metrolink network If they made this a standalone DLC, it wouldn’t have sold well in my opinion. I only played one service and haven't touched it since.

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

I was looking at the timetable for the San Bernardino Line (to compare it with the Antelope Valley Line's timetable), and it's a much busier service out that way. Then there's the fact that it would link up with Cajon Pass at San Bernardino. Quite frankly, I'm shocked that DTG chose to make AVL instead of San Bernardino. These people never fail to disappoint.

@Atrail_Mckinley4786

9 ай бұрын

@thetrainspotterfromtauranga769 I don't have a problem with 2+ hour services, but it has to be interesting, which this line just isn't. San Bernardino would've been a much better line

The textures used throughout are offensive and the static trees and grass certainly help to suspend my belief in reality. Those platform information screens are a disgrace to the wonder that is LED technology. Socks remain on and not blown off.

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

Regarding the desert scenery, it all looks so dry and inhospitable that it makes me want to rush to the nearest water bottle for a drink.

yeah im not a fan of the over arcadey scenarios that all the new tsw3 routes have for some reason.

@potatoman451

9 ай бұрын

It's better than most other scenarios that are just regular timetable runs

It’s actually an ok route. But take all aids and hub off. A different challenge.

The scenery is nice, the equipment is rather well done, but the driving experience is so BORING. I don’t know why they bothered making this route. Only a handful of people will actually like driving on a route this slow and with so few trains to see. I actually really like driving services that take multiple hours to complete. Simrail is very good for that. But I like to drive at a reasonably high speed and see lots of other traffic. This route has the opposite of that. Even the Voralburg line was more fun to drive than this.

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

All the time and effort put in to the Metrolink rolling stock and the AVL itself just seem like big wastes, considering how boring the driving experience is. I too prefer to run on faster and busier routes (take Nahverkehr Dresden or even Peninsula Corridor as examples).

They have had prisoners on planes before with security, most notably in th the Dryden, ON, air crash in which RCMP were escorting a prisoner to Bamff and the plane crashed, the prisoner did not book it into the woods. So a prisoner on a train isn't entirely unexpectedx, but not mixed in with the general customers for security reasons

So our actual Antelope Line is mid asf

F125's suck and Metrolink is already looking for replacements lol. Thats why nobody ever bought them.

@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga

9 ай бұрын

So why did they get F125s in the first place?

@MojaveSubMatthew

8 ай бұрын

Huh? Where did you hear they are looking for replacements? If you read the most recent fleet management report on granicus you’d read the exact opposite. They are trying to get funding to acquire 20 more as they determined getting new locomotives was better than rebuilding the MP36s. I can dig around for this document and link it for you if you wish

@WannabecopAdamHolen

8 ай бұрын

​@@TheTrainspotterFromTaurangaon paper they seemed better then the sc44

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