Comment: Do you like playing with layouts? Or do you let your pro shop do it all for you?

@noahwhipkey6262

Жыл бұрын

i like to think about them, but ultimately i always discuss with my PSO just to make sure im getting the ball reaction i want. i typically like a 5 inch PIN-PAP and 3 1/2 Pin Buffer (VLS). i bowl 2 handed no thumb so he converts it into 2LS for me. for bigger asyms and urethane im probably going to get them drilled slightly stronger just to really get them to read early in heavy oil on the fresh

@cursedchest6469

Жыл бұрын

I prefer bowling without any finger holes so that I can adjust the layout whenever I like

@noahwhipkey6262

Жыл бұрын

@@cursedchest6469 lol

@ThatCuddlesGuy

Жыл бұрын

Me personally I put my own layouts on my ball and then take it to my PSO.. I personally like to know what layout is on what ball so I can have an idea what I could go to next at a tournament or what I could start with.. also I’m a huge fan of putting the MB in my thumb but only on Black Widows.. every black widow I get I always put the MB in the thumb

@billycrowden34

Жыл бұрын

I mess with them a little but I’ve got two layouts I use I try to keep it simple to take as many variables out as possible

I let my pro shop guy do all the work. (It's me, I'm the pro shop guy XD)

@ajeways86

Жыл бұрын

The boy Dakotah!

@daniellopezsoler1546

6 ай бұрын

How do Ik what layout to get I bin bowling for a couple months and I wanna get a ball but don’t know what layout to get

@WhiteBeltBowling

6 ай бұрын

@@daniellopezsoler1546 Having a pro shop operator watch you bowl and get your PAP checked helps. Once you have your PAP, try out some standard benchmark layouts and find what you like best. After that, you can play around with tweaking those layouts to best get your ball through the pins.

Fantastic video. Answered all the important questions for me. Especially interesting the change in the flare, first time I've seen anyone cover this aspect. Great work chaps. Thanks!

I just purchased my first pin down ball the Infinite Physix after watching your review to pair up with my Dark Code and am excited to see the difference both on patterns and our local house shots in Vegas Leagues. Really enjoyed this review and getting a little more information to continue the learning process of bowling , thank you.

I never knew enough to tell them what layout I wanted. I really enjoyed the extra info about layouts in this video!!!

I just have 2 or 3 layouts I use regularly and stick with those. The coverstock dictates way more than the layout does, and I don't want to get stuck overthinking layout numbers when my physical execution and the ball cover mean way more. I have a smooth layout, and a long and snappy layout. I'll tweak them if need be, but it's rare.

Really liked this video! Interesting to see the difference between placing the mass bias in different spots. I have a MAX Results with the MB in the thumb. It is sharper off the spot, but it also has a shorter "hook" window if that makes sense. As far as the question goes, I tell my pro shop what I want :)

thanks for the mass bias explanation...another reason I love this channel...good teaching...thx!

great video, wish I hadnt bought my Super Nova last week now I would have had my ball drilled that way instead of the 30 degrees now

Love the new ball info cut and design. Looks great good job.

This is my go to on fresh to medium lanes. I say this because unlike most solids that burn up on drying out lanes this ball retains energy like crazy. Another reason it's my go to is once the lanes dry out too much you can immediately tell when it looses energy. It starts planing out on the back end and stops its continuous roll. That's when I switch to a different ball.

My PSO and I talk about what we are wanting the ball to do and he uses the storm VLS to get a layout based on my speed, pap, etc. and then he sends to me for approval before drilling. Just got the supernova and have about 15 games on it. This ball crushes and finishes really well.

The proshop guy explains everything to me before we proceed with the layout. And the Paddock is an amazing app well that explains layouts/different ball rolls/specs etc....

I have two Gems: one I bought new and another I bought a few months later from another league bowler that didn't match up with it. I got it for a steal, and my PSO suggested I drill it to go longer/sharper than my first Gem.

Man does this ball hook! Thanks for the video. I was debating whether to get this or not.

Great video keep up the good work

wow: GOOD STUFF. THANK YOU AGAIN !!!

Definitely like finding when to use layouts for what im seeing. The MB in the thumb is money for getting down lane.

PSO takes good care of me. I tell him what I'm needing and next week I've got it ready to roll

You're right about not taking it to league right away. Got my Super Nova two days before release: bowled 7 games at OOB finish (2000 grit Abralon) and it was too strong for me on a house shot. Took it up to 3000 Abralon, bowled 8 more games and it's so versatile. Drilled 55 x 4.5" x 40 , low rev stroker 13-14 mph. Don't be afraid to adjust the surface or add polish over OOB.

@remoevans7847

Жыл бұрын

I took a Raw Pearl from the press to league last week, shot 738. It can be done but I agree, it’s not the preferred method.

Is the difference because the mb is in the thumb or just because of the much higher drill angle? There was a lot made of that drill back when the track alias came out.

yes I layout myself to see what works best for my bowling style and different lane conditions. Also to know that you are getting the layout you asked for.

Cool video talk bowlling storm super nova bowling ball with nano technology in the bowling ball more strike and spare hitting power at time Jr pro shop

Great job as usual! My question is, I'm more of a spinner high axis rotation bowler due to lower bicep tendon surgery several years ago. I'm wondering if the MB in thumb would benefit me with a longer pin in the ball. I'm looking for a ball that will go pretty long on fresh and have the same reaction you got, even though your more under the ball than I am.My ball speed has dropped some due to age and the arm injury / repair. I still average in the low 200s to about 212 range, but don't have a strong A-symm ball for my leagues/ tournaments. Appreciate your opinion! Thanks, Mike R. I mostly have sym balls like IQ tour and Idol Pearl.

I love testing my own layouts and seeing the reactions I get with it.

@LoyalDW

Жыл бұрын

That is the number 1 reason I would want to work in a proshop. Well, that and helping people who have received terrible advice in balls and layouts from people.

What was the val angle on the super nova with the 30 degree angle? I do like to create my own layouts.

I use Storm’s VLS excel worksheet to get my layouts. I layout all of my balls, my pro shop guy double checks my lines and drills it. hasn’t let me down yet.

good job boys

Can the drilling thru the MB be used for other balls or just this ball?

Jungo, what type thumb insert you use in your bowling balls. Enjoy your demos on the videos and your depication of how the bowling balls react. Thanks !

i already have a couple balls, i let my pso handle the layouts. but i just got a nova and i just recently found my pap so im gonna talk to him about doing a 2LS layout on it. a layout to make it my tank

Nice video JR

So I have a question? I have a absolute and the infinite physix and I was wondering will the super nova be a good addition to that arsenal?

Ive been waiting for this with Jungo, “Jungo is Back” I’ve done both layouts examples 5-1/2x3-1/2x2-1/2, and I have two that MB, is drilled out. I use that one for tighter lines because it goes long then POP, hard to the pocket. This my friends is a great video. I love videos like this , numbers, with 2 diff balls for comparison.. the Best show for me

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words Remington!

What is that thumb thing you have? Do you use that for every ball?

can anyone help me out with this, lets say im a two hander would it do the exact same thing if I drilled my ball the same way as the thumb hole on the mass bias without drilling a thumbhole?

Jungo, can you tell me where are the Mass bias is in the proton physix that you use in this video? It was hard to see in your video. Thank you, Jim.

I like playing with my mass bias how will pin placement effect is another area I would like to see a video on like out to the side of the ring finger for instance

Love the vids but for me this has to be the best because of the layout explanation.

I discuss with my pso how I think I want to lay out and where I want to fit in arsenal and we fine tune layout with both of our knowledge.

Anytime I drill new shit I put the same layouts on it, but if I’m plugging a used ball, I try out different stuff. I’m curious to see if I can find something I like better.

I guess im gonna try the mass bias Drilled.

Let my pro shop guy

I liked the 70 degree one the best. 👌

what is the Storm VLS layout

What do you think a good 2 ball storm arsenal would be for a rev dominant league bowler? I was thinking infinite physix and night road.

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

hmm honestly would suggest a pitch black and a cosmos!

I just got into bowling this year and picked up an infinite physix. Pro shop at JB bowling here In Vegas took good care of me. Would showing video of my throw and progression be helpful in my next ball? Type of ball and how it should be drilled?

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

yes!

Great content and informative. I'm wondering how mass bias position affects on 2-hand balls.

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

it still affects it, just differently because of the no thumb and therefor less weight and mass taken out, we'll see if we can do a video on this too!

Mixed I tell my pro shop guy the look I want from the ball then we discuss what’s gonna be beneficial and go from there but there are times I tell him to experiment and that always fun you never know what you’ll get

Any recommendations on a good pro shop in the San Gabriel Valley area in So Cal? Would like a local shop to play with some different pitches and layouts.

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

not sure, don't know of anyone there

My PSO laid out my asym, RST X1, which has the mb between the two spots you used. But thanks to this video I can discuss it with him in the future. If I get a weaker asym pearl like the RST X2, I think I'd ask for the mb to be a bit further away from the thumb to be a bit more controllable. I'm not one to hook the whole lane.

@donkeydiehard879

Жыл бұрын

My X2 is 4.5x6x1.5 which puts the mass bias next to my thumb and it's the most controllable asym pearl I've ever had. All though it also has 300 games easily. Ball never wants to die. 🤣 Definitely my goat ball.

Nice video you said Proton most hooking ball but in Altered Reality video you whent to like 50 and it kept hooking. I have both peices. Thanks 😊

I've let my pro shop guy (my husband lol) make these decisions buuuut after this video I'm going to try the mass bias in the thumb now just to see how it rolls for me. Question: will you be posting an X3 review soon?

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

yes to the X3!!

Drilled a eternity pi with Mass bias in the thumb

Where to place MB when no thumb drilled (using Storm 2LS layout)? I'd like a little more length and backend with super nova

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

The mb will end up in the correct spot if you have the right pap and use the right 2LS layout. Should end up almost directly below the fingers

Awesome vid guys! Wow... what an eye-opener! Definitely gonna talk to my pro shop guy about a new layout specifically for Asyms using the info you shared here. How about differences in pin-to-PAP distances for the next segment? 👍💯🎳

Jungo is back!

Hey fellas, liking the content, so much so I couldn’t resist joining as a kingpin. Looking for a bit of advice as struggling to put 3 games at league together. I recently got a pin down Nova and it worked well on the Fresh until it didn’t. I think it was carry down as it stopped making it back like it did earlier in the night but I went back to it later and worked again but the damage was done with a messed up second game. So was thinking of going with a Proton or Reality Check or Super Nova (order of preference) Pin Up with the MB in the thumb. Which one do you think would work best is that situation ? Alternatively, should I give my Pin up original Rubicon with MB out to the right a try first ?

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

Hey Matthew! Yes that makes a lot of sense that your nova behaved like that, the oil started to disappear from the front of the lane and got dragged to the back. So yes you’ll need to go to something more dynamic off the end of the pattern. Pin rubicon could work, with box finish and if that is too weak then yea I’d suggest a mb in thumb reality check. That ball has really nice continuation. Thanks for the kind words! -Jungo

Jungo I saw you use vacu grip. Do you have any tricks on trimming the grip beautifully?😂 it has been struggling a lot to me

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

Haha yea angle the knife toward the hole a little bit and try and do one continuous motion

I threw this ball during a storm demo day yesterday. I'm a two handed bowler and was throwing from the left. It hit the pocket perfectly a majority of the time!

I do all the layouts for my equipment.

As a two how would I get this ball drilled if I wanted a later hook? Since I don’t use a thumb hole

@cameronbuckler7981

Жыл бұрын

more control rounded hook would always be a pin down option I believe

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

use the same dual angle layouts for later hook so a large first angle. so something like 75x5x25

I’m a new bowler just learning to hook was thinking of getting a higher performance ball for the fresh. Would you suggest this ball or something a little more tame and predictable like the phase 2. We bowl on a heavy house pattern.

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

Less hook is usually better for beginners when they’re looking to hook the ball.

@jeffv8422

Жыл бұрын

I’m leaning towards a Phaze 2 now

I am curious to see the exotic gem like

Looks like the super nova gets down easy but not that much backend

If you get a 12lb Proton physix and a 12lb Super Nova it's basically the same ball with different colours according to Storm Bowling the 12lb and 13lb balls all have the same Asymmetrical and Symmetrical weight block inside.

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

very similar balls all around

I give my layout to the proshop

When u get the chance do a review on the dv8 verge solid. I really love the verge line and want to get that ball but want to see a review on it before I go and grab it!

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

coming soon!!

@Elev.8__

Жыл бұрын

@@jrproshop YESSS!!

I’m sorry I don’t think that the proton was running late, I dig the proton Jungo, but I’m digging the S.Nova also. I always do different layouts and love doing them..

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

Proton just a little later than the Nova but of course much earlier than most other balls on the market

I love how these companies use "hook" as their marketing scheme. Brilliant and sad at the same time

Most ProShops just "tell me" what I want without really listening. I had to learn to draw out my ball to get what I want, and usually that was with the MB near the thumb.

I'm a noob. I let my pro shop handle it. Since I'm a 2 hander, they suggest I stick with symmetrical cores. Got a new ball, Helios. Current bag - Helios, Hyped, White Dot spare. Question/Request (for anyone) - Storm Mix balls are a Urethane mixed coverstock, please help me understand what this does to a plastic/poly cover?

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

the mix are just hard urethane, still very low hook potential but much more durable than plastic/poly

@qball7820

Жыл бұрын

@@jrproshop I promise when my second job income starts to inflow, you guys will get some 💵 😁

Question: by putting the MB in the thumbhole, did you turn the Super Nova into a symmetric bowling? It seems as if you did and this begs the question: why get the ball? In other words, just get a symmetric ball instead. Thanks.

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

no its the opposite, it becomes more asymmetric as the differential raises

@BowlerJ1

Жыл бұрын

@@jrproshop My memory is fuzzy about this because the video I'm about to refer to I saw a couple of years ago, but it was a video from Mo Pinel. He talked about how a ball rolls and the difference between symmetric and asymmetrical bowling balls. I thought he said the MB migrated to the thumbhole on symmetrical equipment. I had that in mind when I wrote my comment. I guess I should have looked for it on KZread and watched it again before writing my comment. Have you ever seen it?

I always ask my pro shop guy about it everytime......

I do all my layout but I don't have a quarter scale so I let my pro shop operator pba tour hall of famer Dave husted drill them and I ask to have some drilled pin under my middle finger because I love that layout on a IQ tour solid and my hyroad x.

Surprised that the drill angle changed the ball reaction( a lot) as I was to believe that pin to PAP and Val angle controlled down lane motion and drill angle the Length can you explain why this is and your Proton would be a real Monster with MB in the Thumb

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

It’s a monster of a ball regardless of layout, but the ball with the MB in the thumb changes direction much harder

So, does Simoo also gravitate towards MB in the thumb?

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

Yes exactly

I'm a "Mad" scientist. I'm still experimenting!

How is this ball drilled?

@ryandaugherty9924

Жыл бұрын

With a drill press.

How did the Proton compare to the MB thumb Nova??

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

Much closer together than the mb to the right

300 or so rev rate 14.5 speed on monitor 60x5x40 70x5x70 i’m no pro so house shots most things i bowl on so these are layouts

Jungo I need to ask you a Q bro’ to help out my bowling. Most of my Asy, I do the 3-1/2 or 2-1/2 sym balls their all the same 5x4x2 or 4x4x2 that’s it. But still need to ask a Q

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

Shoot! Email me for a long form Q. Jrproshop2017@gmail.com

Is there a maximum for those 2 angles

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

0 and 360 haha, but yea the happy zone is 25-75

If you could only have the Super Nova or Proton PhysiX which would you choose?

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

proton

@dltippett

Жыл бұрын

Proton or Gem?

I give the layouts I want to the my pro shop owner.

I like to play with layouts but don't really have the disposable income to do too much playing.

Jungo has the best videos and the best music!! Needs to stick to this soundtrack!

Yea i dont have the funds or the privilege to tinker with layouts lmao

I let my pro shop guy do what he thinks is best for me :p

Um, these are SPI balls how about we use VLS .🤣 What is all this angle talk. Jk jk Storms videos on VLS layouts are gold. Clearly show what each measurement does. Makes so much more sense to my engineer brain.

There are women who run pro shops too 😉

I feel the companies need to stop searching for the biggest hooking ball, and try to focus on some other things

noooo i dont like the new ball info cut away

Everyone says this ball that ball. If you’re good enough and know how to adjust then any ball is good… all this bulls*** is marketing. Especially if your a league player . Find one ball and get good with it. Changing balls all the time is killing you guys game. Stay woke

@FskKaRiZMa

Жыл бұрын

Another note for league players. One ball can easily last 2 league seasons with proper maintenance if not more

@jrproshop

Жыл бұрын

@@FskKaRiZMa yep, but if you are competitive, a 4-6 ball arsenal will be more than enough