Honestly at this point I’m convinced the word bearers did more to harm horuses chances to win than help

@anthonyramirez9925

10 күн бұрын

Horus did the most damage to his chances when he lost Perturabo

@TheTDArts

10 күн бұрын

Not really Without the Ruinstorm ( which was the WB's doing ) The DA's, BA's and UM would've bumrushed Terra So by technicality, WB did the most carrying in the Heresy since they neutralized 2 of the Most Powerful Legions ( BA are a bonus ) and 1 of the Primarchs with the best hands ( Since Sangy made it through )

@MWH12085

10 күн бұрын

Whoa...wait...the Word Barers being completely useless? No....😂

@MWH12085

10 күн бұрын

Horus did lament the fact that the brothers he wanted to stand with him didn't and only got the shitty ones "I am a master of broken monsters"

@KungFuWizardOfJesus

9 күн бұрын

@@TheTDArts Without the Iron Warriors, Horus would have never even reached the Segmentum Solar.

"Kill two bird with one stone" -Lorgar

@Prophetofthe8thLegion

8 күн бұрын

@@jessikablake4784yeah it was a lot more like, oh fuck, oh fuck gods help us! Guilliman: *Irate raging*

Saved my life? You ruined my death! : Angron probably.

@starhammer5247

8 күн бұрын

Angron wanted death, so that's accurate.

@mikedicewrites

7 күн бұрын

Love the Incredibles reference

So Lorgar unintentionally saved G man

@ZeRo-bx7lp

9 күн бұрын

No, Guilliman wasn't about to die really.

@maximilianorousseau3799

8 күн бұрын

Well, to be fair to Lorgar: Imperium Secundus

@gidi3250

8 күн бұрын

​@@ZeRo-bx7lpyeah, from what I recall some ultramarines showed up and started shooting angron who was mid stroke from a rage induced butcher nails moment, guiliman got extracted with a bloodied nose and angron's Liberians tried to prevent his acention only to die in the process/physic backlash form it. Last one was dragged before angron who was busy eating some world eater corps before he killed the last Liberian much to logar's enjoyment at his new gods giving him power to do this "miracle" of saving a dying brother and rebirthing him into a red angel.

@rebel1717

8 күн бұрын

Pretty much. Nice to know Monarchia didn’t ruin their brotherly bond😌

@kahunab7400

7 күн бұрын

​@@ZeRo-bx7lp Gulliman has indestructible plot armor.

Lorgar just made him a bigger slave, I wonder if Lorgar has done some deep introspection after all these millennia of meditation and finally realised maybe chaos isn’t that cool.

@Voldrim359

9 күн бұрын

I doubt that, he is a fanatic of religion, the inquisition is small in comparison to him

@ilikemyshoes4318

9 күн бұрын

Hard to do so when Corvus is knocking on his door for 10,000 years

@seraph3533

9 күн бұрын

Not at all

@drunkencowboi7934

9 күн бұрын

Naw he’d probably double down and say he’s right for saving his brother, even probably proud of some of the work he’s done lately too.

@EricSoldadito

9 күн бұрын

Chaos is definetely the best. No one with common sense would support the Imperium if he wants to save humanity.

I can imagine Angry Ron remembering what Lorgar did to him in 40k. *And wanting to murder him!*

@Keemperor40K

9 күн бұрын

40K Angron is so consumed by the pain, rage and suffering he barely knows where he is at all, only knowing the fury of combat when he is released and just barely remembering a hint of who he was. This from the Arks of Omens book the Lion, where the Lion duels and beats Angron.

@Bodya_CN

9 күн бұрын

Gonna get in line.

@carltonjames2346

7 күн бұрын

@@Mittens_GamingI think Corvus hates lorgar the most tbh 😂

@yurifomin7949

6 күн бұрын

Khorn will not allow Angron to rage at Lorgar

Guilliman grew up in Space rome. Angron grew up in space Rome.

The Nails were doing a tap dance on what remained of Angron's brain with each world he burned.

Oh, you angered Excel Premium

Lorger needs poking with that golden spear Russ has, might make him rethink things.

I gotta, say Angron was the only one I feel had 100% justification for betraying the Imperium

@lashedandscorned

8 күн бұрын

Yeah, the Emperor should have sent down a couple Custodes to help Angron & his slave rebellion instead of teleporting Angron to his ship.

@starhammer5247

8 күн бұрын

Angron turning on the Emperor was justified.

@pimschoenmakers1484

6 күн бұрын

Oh man imagine what an epic fight that would be. And imagine what an loyal son that would make angron

@KingInBlack69

3 күн бұрын

Fr. This is one of those things that makes me think that the Emperor really planned the Heresy.

Robbed of the death he sought not once, but twice.

Hmm, and here remembered that Guilliman was the one yo get an upper hand due to Angron dying as they fought. I guess I remembered wrong

@actional2943

10 күн бұрын

That's how I remembered it too

@ragnarokivae6136

10 күн бұрын

Nah I remember that he was allready weakened by Lorgar and no match for angron. He destroyed the skull of one of angron fallen Rebell fighters, which make angron so angry that he go full berserker mode and turns into a deamon

@dill8363

9 күн бұрын

technically he was right on the verge of death due to the nails but he whooped guillimans ass, chapter 26 of betrayer i believe is where it takes place

Angron deserved better. He probably was supposed to be a healer originally. Would have been up there with sanguinius in reverence had things gone differently.

@MegaMrsuperawesome

9 күн бұрын

This! The angel and the paladin

@absalomdraconis

8 күн бұрын

​@@MegaMrsuperawesome: He may have been meant for a role more akin to Lorgar's than to Sanguinius'.

“What would you know of struggle, perfect son? When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind? When have you had to do anything other than tally compliance's and polish your armor? The people of your world named you "Great One". The people of mine called me slave. Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilization to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one of us was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian High Riders? Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom? And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives? Listen to your blue clad wretches yelling courage and honor, courage and honor, courage and honor! Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom which enslaves you, no matter that their armies outnumber yours by ten-thousand to one. You know nothing of courage! Honor is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honor!”

@Azraiel213

8 күн бұрын

All that righteous rage so tradgicly misdirected at his honourable brother. Chaos really did a number on what little was left of his brain.

@KingInBlack69

3 күн бұрын

Don't forget Guilliman's answer!

Sold his soul and Made him slave to chaos gods great job

Rebuttal Guilliman

Average argument between brothers

Its kinda sad that two times Angron was ready to die and both times someone else stepped in and denied him the peace of death. First it was the Emporer and then Lorgar. All Angron wanted to do was die as a free man and finally be rid of the pain from the Butcher's Nails.

Angron's transformation into Demon Prince was more of an Emergency Transformation than other demon primarch transformations

Guy just wants to die free and no one will let him.

Lorgar should have let Angron die.

Angron was so Justified

Goodly explained

I'm just surprised that Angron the mad was able to even talk properly

And Erebus is laughing while watching the anarchy

Angron is the one primarch whose fall to chaos makes sense

Did Lorgar truly care or is it simply part of his plans either way Angron had already lost himself long before his corruption

@puglife5966

8 күн бұрын

I think at one point, Lorgar did care about all his brothers, but after the pilgrimage, I feel he is written in a way that really leaves it up to the reader to decide. We know for a fact that the butcher's nails were going to kill Angron, so it really works out perfectly. Lorgar gets to do his priest of chaos thing and save his brother.

@jmmangulabnan6710

5 күн бұрын

One of the most Loyal of the emperor's sons became the first Traitor.... Tragic if you ask me

Angron gave big blue the biggest dressing down in the whole setting hear and all the lord of ultramar had to say was empty platitudes

@richardch.4356

6 күн бұрын

Exactly

"Courage and Honor. Courage and Honor. COURAGE AND HONOR! Do you even know the meaning of those words?" His whole speech at G man was great, one of the few good moments we get from Angron. Poor man never stood a chance...

Khorne coming in clutch for Guilliman knowing he would burn down the gardens of Nurgle 10000 years later

Damn angron beet roboat gwillymane? Crazy

@pimschoenmakers1484

6 күн бұрын

Im duh ofcourse the gladiator berserker son beat the spreadsheet son lol, props to roboute tho he did put up quite a fight

Guilliman held his own against 2 primarchs. That's no small feat. I wouldn't say he was broken at Angron's feet. In one of the HH books it was said there were only a few brothers who could beat him in single combat.

I was on Angron side in this and you cant betray somebody that you where never loyal to from the beginning.

I love the idea of Lorgar holding like a mega church style sermon in the background whilst his brothers 1v1. “YES, LET THE CHAOS GODS INTO YOUR SOUL BROTHERS!!!!! BECOME ONE WITH THE WARP SPIRIT!!!!! HALLELUJAH!!!!!”

Poor Guilliman, continuously being destroyed by other Primarchs and only saved by the plot twists! (I love G-Man, just make him win for once!)

@jumapl9706

9 күн бұрын

Or loose for good.

@agentc7020

8 күн бұрын

​@@jumapl9706 Lose* for good and no, G money deserves better than that.

I think its one of the MOST insane psyker feat we saw in wh40k - Lorgar was able to do something, that only GODS did in the past. Creating Demon Prince by himself is absolutely outstanding deed.

Nice

Guilliman: the successful Horus

From being one slave to a master to become another ones slave Anagron will never have peace but he earned this fate for being so foolish

Yeah I remember. I was there. Wild shit.

Fun fact in this battle Lorgar almost die to dreadnoguht Lhorke who is eaters of world who tried to save his papa from ascension

Wondering how long it'll be before people start realizing that his name is, literally, Robert. Said with a French accent.

@jumapl9706

9 күн бұрын

Rowboat girlyman

Oh come on people, Angron just needs a

""saved""

In my opinion, i think that even the emperor knew that his sons were about to betray him, so i think he just make them to do so, like Angron, his whole life as a war slave, and even when the emperor arrives, he was sentenced to wear the butcher nails

@mrclaw4715

9 күн бұрын

Pretty sure Angron got the nails before the Emperor arrived and they were unable to be removed without killing or severely damaging Angron's brain. Angron forcing all his space marines to get the nails though was definitely something that shouldn't of been allowed.

One the one hand, it was kind of sweet for Lorgar to save his brother, but I think Angron probably would have rather died.

So wait, guiliman actually lost?

Is this stuff a show or in books where do I consume this lore?

I wish someone would make angron chill out and restore him. Didn’t he get his nails pulled out? What happened after that? (I’m a new 40k fan)

@Livid72Des

9 күн бұрын

His head exploded, literally.

@bigmoe9856

9 күн бұрын

His a daemon now. If you pull them out, he would get them again upon respawning

@evanabbott2737

7 күн бұрын

@@bigmoe9856 ahh, thank you👍

@jeffy1862

7 күн бұрын

That’s not grimdark! If you’re gonna be a 40k fan you gotta get used to (and excited at) the idea that things aren’t gonna get better… only worse!😈

@Erakius323

5 күн бұрын

@@evanabbott2737And the Emperor did attempt to have the nails removed, but even he could not work out how to do it without killing Angron.

This happened during the siege of Terra, right ?

has guilliman literally ever won a primarch duel

Angron was looking forward to finally dying... Even _that_ was taken from him.

Finally, someone pronouncing Roboute properly. Same thing with Custodes, its literally Custodian without the ian. Sorry, shit rubs me all the wrong ways :)

Robooth

Lorgar; bit of a dick.