Well done Aussies. I'm still amazed that the very first civilisation we know of, also had all of the main...symptoms (can't think of a better word right now) of civilisation: writing, currency, accounting, schools, and now the best trigonometry table ever!

@hellfirepictures

3 жыл бұрын

Hallmarks*

Actually, his first claim that any book you read will tell you that the Greeks discovered Trigonometry is inaccurate. Over a century ago European writers were exploring the Babylonian and Egyptian achievements in the field. Check out "A history of elementary mathematics, with hints on methods of teaching" by Florian Cajori (1896).

@drpk6514

5 жыл бұрын

It took thousands of years until civilization reaches Greece. Then whatever they learnt they claimed or other Europeans claimed is from them. Thats they culture. Just like when European went to America and Australia claimed they discovered them.

@fotiskosmos3009

2 жыл бұрын

Early study of triangles can be traced to the 2nd millennium BC, in Egyptian mathematics (Rhind Mathematical Papyrus) and Babylonian mathematics. Trigonometry was also prevalent in Kushite mathematics. Systematic study of trigonometric functions began in Hellenistic mathematics, reaching India as part of Hellenistic astronomy. In Indian astronomy, the study of trigonometric functions flourished in the Gupta period, especially due to Aryabhata (sixth century CE), who discovered the sine function. During the Middle Ages, the study of trigonometry continued in Islamic mathematics, by mathematicians such as Al-Khwarizmi and Abu al-Wafa. It became an independent discipline in the Islamic world, where all six trigonometric functions were known. Translations of Arabic and Greek texts led to trigonometry being adopted as a subject in the Latin West beginning in the Renaissance with Regiomontanus. The development of modern trigonometry shifted during the western Age of Enlightenment, beginning with 17th-century mathematics (Isaac Newton and James Stirling) and reaching its modern form with Leonhard Euler (1748). This is for you ;)Arithmetic, Geometria, Mathematic, Trigonometrie (Arithmetic, Geometry, Trigonometry, Mathematics). All Greek words, why is it so good that it is not Greek? Copien gibt es genug Original Bleibt (arithmetic, Geometry, trigonometry, Mathematics = Arithmetic, Geometria, Trigonometria, Mathematic ... rgmia.org/papers/monographs/Grec.pdf

@johnsavard7583

6 ай бұрын

Yes, it has long been known that the Pythagorean Theorem was known in both ancient Babylon and ancient Egypt. The Greeks, though, with formal proofs (like in Euclid) still take credit for a big part of what makes mathematics today what it is - and what we know of Egypt and Babylon does not take away from that.

@illuminatiagent7691

5 ай бұрын

As always, Greece and Rome were the greatest nations in sciences. Meanwhile, all of what is attributed to them, was created and discovered by people of middle east thousands of years before them. As I always tell my 'merican kids, when only monkeys lived in europe, we had cities and roads and ...... but islam came and shut all of it down.

@familyshare3724

25 күн бұрын

Every child and adult believes Pythagoras discovered xx + yy = zz such that we all know it by his name. Same with chromatic harmony and tuning; all Babylonian. As well as the seven day planetary week

Honestly there are fringe computer scientist that have worked with exotic bases for awhile now. I've seen a supposition that I haven't checked into for awhile which demonstrates something about exotic bases. Tricks like this look-up table translate across all bases that are within the same root structure. For example a trick like this one made for base 16 would also work for base 8, 4 and 2 since they are within the same root structure but move into something like base 9 and you get irrational numbers creeping into your table. Kind of want to find that supposition now, as last I read up on it the people researching it were studying when root structures collide to see if there were rules governing how that works: like base 12 would have a collision between base 2 and base 3 since it factors as: 2 * 2 * 3 = 12. May have just been a half baked and disproven thing by now but I would love to know if anything interesting came out of it.

Amazing. Congratulations for the discovery of the meaning! There's still so much to learn... It's a pity that we've lost so much knowledge along the way (wars, fires and so on...).

@rollingknuckleball

7 жыл бұрын

Anddd then there were the mongol hordes who destroyed the libraries in Baghdad (1258 AD) :(

@hassanbassim4007

7 жыл бұрын

We didn't lost anything , because the Greeks and others took "or steal" the Babylonian knowledge before Babylon destroyed , the same with Baghdad when the Europeans took the knowledge before it destroyed and thats why the humans knowledge don't get lost .

@Ptolemy336VV

7 жыл бұрын

And the great library of Alexandria by Christians etc. Most of the world runs on Greek foundation/inventions/influences. Pick random topics, sciences, geography, astronomy, to most of the mathematical functions, etc. It is either invented in Greece or heavily influenced by Greece. 5 of the 7 wonders of the ancient world was Greek as well. Who knows what the libraries of Alexandria held in terms of knowledge about how advanced the Greeks really where. If we didn't find the palimpsest 10+ years ago we never even knew that Greek mathematics where almost equal to modern mathematics. The same goes for the Antikythera, the first computer in the world, 2200 years old, which is the most advanced technical piece of engineering of the entire ancient world. If we did not find that, we would never have even guessed that the Greeks had such an incredibly advanced civilization. I don't rule out that Babylonians did perhaps know some mathematical concepts, and perhaps even concepts that the Greeks used and took it to another level, but there are countless of mathematical functions invented in Greece, or heavily influenced in Greece, aside from the fact that our modern society in almost every aspect of life, society, science, art, literature has Greece as it's foundation.

@TimTams_64

7 жыл бұрын

Greeks nicked all those ideas from other cultures lol, they hardly invented it.

@Ptolemy336VV

7 жыл бұрын

+Tim Tam's A very very broad and utterly false fantasizing assumption. Shall we completely dive into what you are saying? I will tell you that you won't find any proof of what you are saying and will utterly fail. Because as a matter of fact, I have researched for years literally every aspect of our modern society, in which almost every aspect of our modern life is rooted in Greek civilization. From almost every science is either rooted or heavily influenced by Greece. From sports, to what we today hold as beautiful, to humanity, to art, from musical notation system to psychology, from math to medicine, from geography to astronomy, from the earliest steam engine(heron) to the earliest railway(diolkos), from the first computer in the world 2200 years old and the most advanced technical piece of engineering to things like vending machines/wash stands where people could throw coins in to wash their hands, from cement to the parthenon, which is completely engulfed in mathematics to make the building perfect to the imperfection of the human eye whereas there is not a single straight line/curve in the building, but to the human perfect and perfectly straight. From the olympic games, the biggest sports event in the world, to language,grammar,writing. And the list goes on and on and on. I could name almost anything. Democracy, humanity, laws, coinage system, 5 of the 7 world wonders of the ancient world, theater, drama, comedy, etc. Almost every subject/science is rooted in Greece or heavily influenced. While You fantasize that Greeks nicked "all those" ideas, but without any evidence. In the meantime, Greek language is the oldest continuous living language in the world, and having influenced almost all other western languages heavily. Even most names on the map are Greek. Hell, even the name India is Greek. And when Alexander conquered most of the ancient world, he spread Greek civilization deep into Central Asia and Indian subcontinent. Greek civilization had a huge influence on the entire region. From coinage, to astronomy, theater, jewelry, arts, architecture, and countless of other things. - Did you know that EVEN the Buddha has was first made in Greek. For 1000 years long the Greek (Gandahara) Buddha stream was the number 1 stream in East Asia and Indian Subcontinent. Before the Greeks, Cultures in India and other regions believed their gods to be in the sky, in the flowers, in the air etc. Ancient Greeks created their Greek gods in a human form, with personalities. The Greeks then created the Buddha in the human form. And thus the Greek buddha was created and was the largest stream in Central Asia and Indian subcontinent. Greek arts was the catalyst of Asian arts. Yes, even the buddha has en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_art en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_monasticism And for instance, the National dance of Afghanistan today is the Attan Dance. The Attan dance is a Greek dance. Not only is the dance exactly the same as the Pyrrhic dances for thousands of years, but also even the Clothing is incredibly Greek. The dance Attan (as the Afghans call it today) is a dance that was executed for the Greek goddess Athena. www.thelovelyplanet.net/attan-the-national-dance-of-afghanistan/ islamoblog.blogspot.nl/2009/08/ancient-greek-origins-of-pashtuns-attan.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khattak_dance "the Attan dance was originated from the Greek Pyrrhic dance, that was executed for the Greek goddess Athena" - Even the world's most famous people in the last 6000 years based on Harvard university studies are dominated by Greeks. -The world's 100 most famous people in the last 6000 years scientific studies Harvard pantheon.media.mit.edu/rankings/people/all/all/-4000/2010/H15 1 Aristotle (Greek) 2 Plato (Greek) 3 Jesus 4 Socrates (Greek) 5 Alexander the Great (Greek) 6 Leonardo Dthat a vinci 7 Confucius 8 Julius Caesar 9 Homer (Greek) 10 Pythagoras (Greek) 11 Archimedes (Greek) I can go on and on and on. But I believe I made my point very clear. What you say is completely false.

I think it's a sine of the times this is coming to light. We'll have to wait for another scientist to co-sign and thus confirm this is a worthwhile discovery. Don't go on a tangent and start drawing conclusions!

@nhart9043

7 жыл бұрын

Haha, you sir, are why comments are worth reading. Well done.

@Reids0me

7 жыл бұрын

Prove it

@AnimooBobba

7 жыл бұрын

Cringe worthy, :)

@jamro217

3 жыл бұрын

Secant ye shall find.

@lahaina4791

10 ай бұрын

Scientists are as flawed or even more corrupt than the masses. You are very naive.

I wonder if this was created due to the Babylonians building their religious monuments to worship the heavens. If you want something to line up with the Sun every year, then having mathematics based upon the daily cycle could make sense. This is wild speculation obviously.

@kenwsmith54

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think this speculation is wild. It is probably spot on. The Babylonian astrologers divided the heavens into 360 degrees, each degree corresponding (approximately) with the movement of the stars over one day. I suspect astronomical & astrological calculations required working out the degrees that show up in the Plimpton 322 tablet.

@laughingachilles

7 жыл бұрын

I think you are right but I still consider my comments to be quite speculative as I am basing them upon the idea of the day being split into 24 hours. That idea didn't come around until the Egyptians, and then the Greeks really set it in stone, no pun intended. Then again I do think we have underestimated how much knowledge was carried through one culture to another, it may be the Babylonians were already doing this and the knowledge transferred to the Egyptians, or maybe the Egyptians rediscovered the concept. If we consider for how long our ancestors watched the skies before ever building monuments to them, then we can definitely make a few reasonable assumptions. 1. Our ancestors would have noticed the seasons and likely divided them into four rough periods. 2. They would have noticed that there are 12 lunar cycles within those 4 periods. From here it's speculation. Maybe they considered the number 12 as sacred and used it in their calculations of the heavens, it just so happened to work out rather well. Maybe someone noticed that stars appeared in the same spot at the same time of year, lining up with natural features such as a mountain top. Then they worked out that the number 12 allowed them to calculated that and many other astronomic occurrences. It's just odd to see how many of their monuments fit this idea and now we have this tablet which further backs up the idea.

@MakisGirg

6 жыл бұрын

Each lunar month has 28 days in it and 365/28= 13, so there are 13 lunar months in a year not 12. The zodiac cycle has 12 signs and back then they considered everything celestial as heavenly so 12 became sacred number.

Great discovery, thank you for sharing! If we only could have gotten a hold of many more ancient knowledge, we may even discover that they were also in other ways so much more advanced than us nowadays! Lost knowledge is so sad, I hope we will find means to make ours last, if anything were ever to happen to our culture, so humanity would have to start anew, from scratch.

@kybalion848

7 жыл бұрын

The knowledge was never "lost" just destroyed or hidden by the Vatican.

@Desertduleler_88

7 жыл бұрын

That is already happening in the western world under multiculturalism.

@twonumber22

7 жыл бұрын

The Vatican weren't the only ones.

@twonumber22

7 жыл бұрын

That doesn't make any sense MrStoney.

@tibetloga

7 жыл бұрын

Can't blame it all on the Vatican. It was Julius Caesar who burned the books in the Library of Alexandria.

Fingers have been used as reliable calculators, but fingers used differently by different cultures. We use a finger to represent one, so we are limited to represent only 5 on one hand. Chinese used mental math where fingers used more efficiently since fingers were used on the left hand to represent ones an the thumb to represent five, the abacus mirrored that process for record keeping. The right hand kept the tens, so they could count to 99 on two hands. In this case, it looks more like the fingers were divided by their digits, so four fingers used to count to twelve ( dozen ). Rotating the hand could represent ones vs. tens. The thumbs must been used to point to the correct values and the tablet was used to record them. I don't think they designed anything consciously, it just happens that using natural tools the math works out every time and by nature it is just much simpler.

@hassanbassim4007

7 жыл бұрын

This knowledge move to China from Babylon too , when Persia Invade all the lands between them .

Correction: Oldest known use of trigonometry. Someone before taught them.

Iraqi people are descendants of the intelligent babylonians. They must be very proud of it

@ArabPride100

7 жыл бұрын

newbieshelper Yes it's true us Iraqis can be proud of our Babylonian and Sumerian ancestors..... but am sad to say that Iraqis today are a bunch of useless third world people. This is coming from an Iraqi... but with that being said, Middle East in general not just mesopotamia is a land of civilization

@zedmelor8842

7 жыл бұрын

Well-said, newbieshelper !

@Athos1776

6 жыл бұрын

Iraq is a multi cultural country. Some Ethnic groups in Iraq are descended from the babylonians but most of them Aren’t.

@Emsyaz

6 жыл бұрын

DANK ARMY majority of them are descendants of babylonian due to intermarriages.

@VanWilshere2134

6 жыл бұрын

The modern day Assyrians are.

60 divided by 3 is 20 yes but 60 divided by 7 is 8.571429 60 divided by 8 is 7.57 60 divided by 9 is 6.666667

This explanation of Plympton 322 as a trigonometric table was proposed over a century ago. It's not new, and historians reject it.

Uhh, I seem to remember this already being known thing? Took a history of mathematics course in uni that had us using the Babylonian way of calculating Pythagorean triples using base 60 and talking about how they made great advances in the field, what the greeks get credit for is the extensive proofs on the subject... Although I might be miss-remembering/mixing it with other stuff from the class as it did span quite a few cultures and times in the history of mathematics.

I am Chaldean Babylonian, this makes me so proud of my great ancestors.

@manuelhanko8487

4 жыл бұрын

Rational PoC sorry to disappoint you bro, I am Chaldean from Babylon and we still preserve our Chaldean language and traditions and definitely proud of our history. You have to accept and respect people's identities. If you are so irritated about that, then I guess it is your own problem.

@manuelhanko8487

4 жыл бұрын

Sarah Asaad Because they are raised to think like that, most of them are racists, also because their numbers are not that much so they try to increase their numbers by claiming that, this is so they can have more influence in the region specifically in Iraq (they got millions of dollars just by claiming that) despite the fact that Chaldeans form the majority of Iraqi Christians. We also believe that they are actually Chaldeans and we have thousands of proofs but we don't talk about it that much because we are not racist. The Chaldeans came from southern or wester banks of the Parsian gulf and settled in south of Iraq Mesopotamia. The Chaldeans had cultural influences on the whole community of Mesopotamia many years before they took role in the Babylonian empire. They would not have been able to role if they hadn't this influence.

@salihalraziqi4963

3 жыл бұрын

@Rational PoC chaldean still exist in Iraq, they are mostly catholic christians.

@freedomofprejudices8575

2 жыл бұрын

Manuel Hanko My total respect for your decent heritage. the Amorite and before them the Akkadians were the fathers of modern day Arabs. We as Arabs speak almost the same language as the spoke at the time while Chaldeans speak different language and I suspect that the new Chaldeans weren't belong to the old Chaldeans. I think they are Armenians lived with the Assyrians and their language changed to a Semitic dialect.

@manuelhanko8487

2 жыл бұрын

@@freedomofprejudices8575 well, people’s identify and historical background don’t rely upon your thoughts mate.

isn't - 1 tenth 0.1 an exact fraction in base 10?

@anotherinternetaddict

7 жыл бұрын

Please can you provide a source for this?

Would this form of numerical recording have implications for the King's list?

we knew that trigonometry existed before greeks how do you think they build the pyramids but it was empirical and based on tables greeks and Pythagoras introduced the concept of "proof"

Well done, Daniel. Is there a transcription of the tablet comprehensible by a mere B Sc (Tech)?

By the rivers of babylon, there we sat down Ye-eah we wept, when we remembered zion

Im also open to the Great Pyramid math, the royal cubit is based on the knowledge of the meter and pi!

Can someone give me an ELI5 of this video? I don't entirely understand when he says "Babylonians used Base 60 while we're still using Base 10". What does the term "Base x" mean, and why can't scientists today use Base 60?

@Atalaclys

7 жыл бұрын

They used 60 digits. In that system "our" 120 is 2 times "(enter Babylonian symbol for 60)"..They preferred 60 because it has a lot of divisors and possibly for religious reasons as well. Check "Radix" on the Internet..You 'll find what you want. PS In a sense our way of counting time is based on this.

@SurprisinglyDynamicAnimeSideC

7 жыл бұрын

Atalaclys Thanks for the quick response. The only thing I'm still confused about is why this is such an important discovery. I thought several other civilizations were already known to have used numeric systems higher than Base 10, and our use of this system has much more to do with cultural preference than any inherent advantages of Base 60?

@peterosudar1636

7 жыл бұрын

Base x is a polynomial like 5x+10... which is funny because I did not define what type of x is acceptable here. Whenever someone throughs mathematics around and numbers always look for the full context... even though the "full" context will always evade us. The key is that it brings into focus exact ways of considering geometry. We used to use sine and cosine but if we begin to do things the way the babylonians did we can better generalize geometry to everyday thinking... we won't just say "its academic" we will say... what will we say?

@Atalaclys

7 жыл бұрын

My pleasure. Well, to be honest, I don't think it is. I just started reading their paper so there might still be something there but so far I don't see it. As I wrote on a comment, what is defined as Mathematics is making a system of axioms, forming a statement based on these axioms and proving it (or proving it wrong..). In short, creating+proving . This ^ is arithmetics and while an incredible feat on its own for the Babylonians and Sumerians, it still cannot be considered Mathematics. Now about our use of the Decimal system (Base 10), it was as far as I know the most common in the past amongst various civilisations/cultures and the fact that it has global usage is a testament to its practicality as well. That said, technically we are having this conversation (viewing the vid above, do pretty much everything on the PC) on the Binary system (0s, 1s) since this is the language our computers "understand" :-)

@peterosudar1636

7 жыл бұрын

Axioms need to be supported by something for others,(i.e. students) to comprehend. If we nail down axiomatics using the developments from Rational Trigonometry we might be headed somewhere...

Of course, 1/4 has the exact decimal expansion 0.25. However, when Mansfield says that there are only two exact fractions in decimal, 1/5 and 1/2, I take it as simply meaning that those two are the only bases on which exact fractions in decimal rest, 2 and 5 being the only prime factors of 10. Base 60 adds the prime factor 3. So I disagree with Evelyn Lamb in Scientific American in characterizing this as outright dishonest; it's just an oversimplification in speech instead of writing.

What is new in this? I didn't get it. We know that Babilonians used base 60 number system, we also knew that they knew about Pithagorean Triples. You should've explained in more detail how they construct their tables. What was their method? The right angled triangles and the proportions of their sides?... Isn't it the definition of trigonometric functions. i.e. sine is the ratio of the opposite side to the hypotenus? What is new here?

@Chadaface

7 жыл бұрын

"we also knew that they knew about Pithagorean Triples" Thats the point. We didn't know for sure if they knew about pythagorean triples in the sense that we do. Now we know that they did in fact and this challenges the current perception of Pythagoras being the first person to introduce this

@chaitanyasenapathi5629

7 жыл бұрын

"didn't know for sure " ??? .....are you kidding me

@grandpaobvious

7 жыл бұрын

A base-60 arithmetic system requires 60 different numerals, as compared to the 10 numerals of the decimal system. Many of these base-60 numerals are exact divisors of others, i.e. their ratios are exact. Since trigonometric functions relate angles to the ratio of sides of a right-triangle, and angles are measured in units divisible by 60, the two systems are clearly equivalent. The convenience, if any, comes from the larger pool of numerals from which to select pythagorean triples. That is to say, in a base-60 system there will be more single-numeral pythagorean triples than in the decimal system. This is not an important mathematical result, except insofar as it is useful for maintaining accuracy in algorithmic computation.

@SocratesAlexander

7 жыл бұрын

But angle and trigonometric ratios are not linearly propotional. If you increase the angle 1 unit, then for example, the sine of that angle does not increase 1 unit.

@fivoasia6470

7 жыл бұрын

So the entirety of historical mathematics has been a lie. But you don't think that has value? Grow up.

Amazing!

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Very Cool.

Muy interesante.

@lahaina4791

10 ай бұрын

Si senor! 😂

How fascinating!

How is it "superior" to modern trigonometry? Does x/y not equal x/y? They found a better way to say x/y?

@politicallyincorrect8121

6 жыл бұрын

it is superior ,because of its absolute accuracy ... you can't write down 1/6 ,or 1/3 etc in our system ..

I am wondering what is hidden behind those steel doors on the walls where the man is sitting? Is this in a museum?

These guys will have a great future in climate change calculations.

Doesn't really matter what base or system you're using - what really matters is how accurately you can measure it in real life. Now that is much more interesting - how people used to achieve (or not) high accuracy in their buildings.

As a professor of mathematics and a regular teacher of mathematics history, I am pleased to see mathematics promoted but I am disappointed by the false hype in this story. This story has nothing new and merely repeats ideas one can find in mathematics textbooks, some concepts which go back to Otto Neubauer a century ago.

@bw0n6

7 жыл бұрын

Ken, I think if you read the paper and watch the ongoing videos on the njwildberger KZread channel you will see that although unquestionably this is largely based on the remarkable work of Neugebauer and Sachs, the interpretation of Plimpton 322 usage as a form of trigonometric table in a different type of non-angle based Rational Trigonometry is new and consistent with the information and layout on the tablet. It makes much more sense if you are familiar with Professor Wildberger's Rational Trigonometry.

I always didn't like the approach we are heading to. It always looked too complicated for nothing. We are getting more and more materialistic as time passes on. They used abstract logic to solve problems too. Duality works...

Isn't 1/4 an exact fraction as well?

@Whitethock

7 жыл бұрын

Muhammad Abdurrahim 1/8 of the time

@laughingachilles

7 жыл бұрын

1/2 - 0.5 1/5 - 0.2 1/4 - 0.25 So no 1/4 isn't an exact fraction in base 10 maths.

@dielfonelletab8711

7 жыл бұрын

Muhammad Abdurrahim it's just 1/2 x 1/2

@Bialy_1

7 жыл бұрын

1/4=0.25 exactly and its in "10 math" and 1/3 = 0.333... exactly(3 dots indicate that there is infinite number of 3 behind that last 3). No offence but it looks that author is lacking knowledge in mathematic and that stuff i learned in school when i was something like 10 years old... And computers using 0 and 1 = binary system! In it 1/3=0.010101... exactly!

@pezr6336

7 жыл бұрын

divisors of ten, only 2 and 5 (.5, .2)

Ancient Greeks were perfectly adept at using fractions so that any issues with base-10 representations are irrelevant. This trigonometric stone tablet contributes nothing beyond archaeology.

@TweedSuit

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry this bit of clay hurt your feelings.

@user-hh8tq1in2y

2 жыл бұрын

Pythagoras was of Phoenician origin😂

This really is pretty badass.

Surveying already uses base 60 for measuring angles Neat to see Babylonians knew why it was good too, though.

This is the exact way i was taught growing up.. and i sure am assyrian/Babylonian 😊

@GetTpOrDIE

7 жыл бұрын

Atour Nano hey babe uhuhuh.

@ervinzhou8251

7 жыл бұрын

Did you grow up in Ancient Babylon 6000 years ago

@drpk6514

5 жыл бұрын

So you were thought numbers based on 6? And what was your performance here?

@manuelhanko8487

4 жыл бұрын

Babylon is not Assirya though

@tacotaco8863

3 жыл бұрын

@@manuelhanko8487 same people

Why not base 30 (2*3*5), or base 210 (2*3*5*7)?

Pitágoras era maya y gigante, su nombre "Pita-Wara" pita, rojo y wara, guerrero. Guerrero rojo. Los mayas fundaron Sumeria y Babilonia, después de haber instruido a los Brahmanes en la India.

Big deal. As some more critical thinking people among you also say, this Babylonian system is different from the Greeks, which is the one used today. Also is there no conceptualization nor formalization. The Greeks where the ones who conceptualized and formalized trigonometry, and that is the only thing that counts. Most of the world runs on Greek foundation/inventions/influences. Pick random topics, sciences, geography, astronomy, to most of the mathematical functions, etc. It is either invented in Greece or heavily influenced by Greece. 5 of the 7 wonders of the ancient world was Greek as well. Who knows what the libraries of Alexandria held in terms of knowledge about how advanced the Greeks really where. If we didn't find the palimpsest 10+ years ago we never even knew that Greek mathematics where almost equal to modern mathematics. The same goes for the Antikythera, the first computer in the world, 2200 years old, which is by far the most advanced technical piece of engineering of the entire ancient world. If we did not find things like that, we would never have even guessed that the Greeks had such an incredibly advanced civilization. I don't rule out that Babylonians did perhaps know some mathematical concepts, but there are countless of mathematical functions invented, conceptualized and formalized, in Greece, or heavily influenced in Greece, aside from the fact that our modern society in almost every aspect of life, society, science, art, literature has Greece as it's foundation. And in the case of trigonometry, nothing will change.

@christianguignard9980

5 жыл бұрын

You pretend to know what Babylonians did, and just forget their incredible buildings ... without a perfect knowledge of mathematics and any applications in architecture, they would not have made such great creations. Learn more, and be less in certitudes .

@Ptolemy336VV

4 жыл бұрын

@Rational PoC i umderstand your point. but we dont know also just very littleof ancient Greece. Remember. Just the library of Alexandria alone was burned down 3x and most of its knowledge vaporized. And that is not to forget Greeces very advanced with bronze age civilizations like Minoan civilization 3650-1390BCE, Cycladic civilization 3300-2000BCE, and so on onwards of which the minoans where one of the most advanced bronze age civilizations on the planet. They had everything from 5-7 storey high palaces complete with sewerage systems flush toilets, airco, unmatched arts and so on. even in the cities flush toilets on every house even on the 2nd and 3rd floor. But we dont know much aboit their knowledge. Because much is unknown about these things. So im trying to give you perspective here. Babylonians or mesopotamians are also very old an notable civilizations. However much of all the knowledge we use is not from them. Now it can be that some of it may be known to these civilizations but destroyed by time. OR that they never knew and where invented in Greece as we know it now. And the only way to prove this is with facts and archaeological evidence. And all archaeological evidences show that Greece is the root for almost all modern sciences on the planet. Why? Because Greece the only civilization that created science the way we know today. Scientific principles ajd observations, documentations, etc that all didnt happen anywhere else.

@Ptolemy336VV

4 жыл бұрын

@Rational PoC its not contradicting. What im sayjng is (and you know that fully well) that our sciences and foundation and much of our modern life originates from Greece. Because maybe not all literature and evidences survived from ancient Greece, but that what DID survive is all the evidences that show why Greece is the root of most sciences today and the society of western civilization. Because none of these sciences, methodologies, and many other things sinmply where not found in any of the other civilizations like we see in ancient Greece. Hence Greece was extremely influential in its role. So yes mesopotamia, Greece and its older bronze age civilizations, Egypt, Iran and so on are all incomplete, but we know from all evidences that we do have how things stand. And if there ever would be new evidences that may show something different, then that is something else. But till today these are the evidences at hand based on thousands of archaeologists around the world uncovering history

Did he just say that in base ten you can only write 2 fractions exactly? I can write 1/2 = 0.5, 1/4 = 0.25, 1/8 = 0.125, 1/10 = 0.1, etc. And also, who cares how exactly they can represent fractions? 1/3 is completely exact and I don't have to convert it to base 10 to communicate the idea. It blows my mind how many people you can fool by saying the ancients knew it better. The only thing we learned from this tablet is that some concepts of trigonometry were discovered earlier than expected. That's all.

@letycipres8537

3 жыл бұрын

That's all? HAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

I open a science-related video and the first comment I see blinds me with its power: "YOU come by yourself shit boy; come to my house and say that; alone. Make an appointment." KZread continues to get worse with every fucking redesign, but at least the comments stay the same.

I am from iraq I really aproud of what my ancestors did ... unfortunately there are more than 22 thousands site still undiscovered . and the government doesn’t care

Ancient Vedic culture of India knew all this since the beginning of time

@oli0cp1.qgjf6vs5

2 жыл бұрын

incorrect

@lahaina4791

10 ай бұрын

All tribes spread out from Babel or Babylon after the confusion of language.

Thanks

Fascinante...

Brilliant

‘It’s rare that the ancient world teaches us something new’ Please! Get out of your head. We have learnt a lot and are still learning from the ancient world. There is nothing new under the sun

The work of the ancestors of the modern Assyrian people!

@anwarkattan9508

5 жыл бұрын

Assyria ܐܵܬܘܼܪ looooooooooolll... babylonians have nothing to do with assyrians.. that’s the same stupid people claiming Arabs are Sumerians lol

Amazing

Love this

Proud of my origin Babylon nation

@drpk6514

5 жыл бұрын

Proud of what? Have you done anything about it to be proud of it? Thats the exact meaning of Jihalat.

How'd i get here

I guess Syrians saw the Sine. Life is Demanding without understanding.

@nesicus

5 жыл бұрын

No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong

my ancestors at it again

Does this mean the Babylonians used a 24 hr day with a 60 minute hour

This is crazy, I wonder where it's being held

@Thunder777m

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it's at Columbia University in New York.

@Achill101

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thunder777m - why unfortunately? Would you like to have it closer to your home that you could see it, too? I could understand that. Or do you think it should be stored near where it was found? While I think that would be a good idea if there was a stable democracy, but there isn't, unfortunately. And staying at Columbia seems better than being smashed by the brutes of ISIS.

@lahaina4791

10 ай бұрын

Not the White House cocaine cubby.

Let me know when you find the Babylonian proof of the Pythagorean theorem. 👍

They knew not Pythagorean theorem but something else taring at our blind and idiotic faces. Edit:after years this has nothing absolutely no impact, yet This is basically telling us that we are nt onlybgetting weaker physically but mently and logically the ancientq Babylonia's we're more intelligent than modern day

@lahaina4791

10 ай бұрын

They were superior.

Don't stop being you!!!

Wow, so base 60 arithmetic allow us to represent irrational numbers with finitely many digits. That is amazing! Also false, but surely amazing!

@msfundio

3 жыл бұрын

LOL! You scared me!

@dauntul

3 жыл бұрын

@@msfundio I cannot stand populist scientists that pull "facts" out of their asses

COOOOOL!

I watched this guy in a lecture talking about how he pretended to be caught masturbating so that he could stop computers being installed once.

@danielfmansfield

4 жыл бұрын

Pretended to be caught *naked*. Also, that was one of the most heroic bluffs ever and you do the story no justice here.

@timotiushermanto

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielfmansfield Sorry prof, the eloquence in which you told that story is unmatched. BTW the museum is still looking for Si.169, you better find a good hiding spot for it.

wow

Correct me if im wrong, but we already have computers, so no they don`t teach us anything new.

@Reids0me

7 жыл бұрын

The main use of this knowledge would be to teach children Trigonometry, as this is a much less confusing way of doing it for some people.

@BurakBagdatli

7 жыл бұрын

How is it going to be less confusing if you use a different base? Try using base 60 for once in your life and then make a suggestion please. It's not as pleasant as you thing it is. Base choice has no effect on trigonometry. Use whatever you like. It won't matter.

Good onya.

Today's Iraqis are descendants of great civilizations like Sumer, Akad, Babylon, and Assyria. Which are considered a minority these days. Somehow they started calling themselves Arabs, following the Islamic invasion in the 7th century. Why ???

using base of 10, (1/3= .33333333 to infinity thats problimatic). While using base of 60 (1/3 = 20 the answer is exact number)

Is it possible they figured out the clockwork of the earth itself? Saturn and Neptune both have Hexagonal patterns above their Poles- Maybe the Earth Did/Does? Bees certainly make it work-

If modern man had paid any attention to what's in front of our eyes in regards to ancient megaliths, this wouldn't have been a mystery at all. For all of the answers were built into the megaliths, it's always been a base 60, as that's the only system that is in tune with the divine cosmos. Quit fighting your inner self when your professors teach there outdated yet wholly 20th century dogma. The past truly magical in every way, think hard about why megaliths were aligned and built the way they were, think not only about what you can see, but what lies beneath the megaliths as it's as important or more so than its surface. The great machines of the past lifeted humanity up for thousands of years.

@hawaiiguykailua6928

7 жыл бұрын

Go look at the massive amounts of research on megaliths, Flinders Petrie is one of the best, but Carl Munck has done great follow up work. The math of the megaliths are astounding, yet are written off as "coincidence", no matter how many thousands and thousands of measurements fall within "coincidence".

Bullshit. Making computations is arithmetics, it is not Mathematics. We say that the Greeks devised trigonometry not because they knew the algorithms but because they used Proofs to show a Theorem holds, which (the logical proof along with axioms) is the essence of Mathematics.

@hassanbassim4007

7 жыл бұрын

The Greeks didn't do anything , as you see they just steal it as like as the "Civilization" itself .

@Atalaclys

7 жыл бұрын

Ahh, hello my Arab racist friend. Please, do enlighten us on how the Greeks stole "civilization"..

@Ptolemy336VV

7 жыл бұрын

@Hassan A very very broad and utterly false fantasizing assumption. Shall we completely dive into what you are saying? I will tell you that you won't find any proof of what you are saying and will utterly fail. Because as a matter of fact, I have researched for years literally every aspect of our modern society, in which almost every aspect of our modern life is rooted in Greek civilization. From almost every science is either rooted or heavily influenced by Greece. From sports, to what we today hold as beautiful, to humanity, to art, from musical notation system to psychology, from math to medicine, from geography to astronomy, from the earliest steam engine(heron) to the earliest railway(diolkos), from the first computer in the world 2200 years old and the most advanced technical piece of engineering to things like vending machines/wash stands where people could throw coins in to wash their hands, from cement to the parthenon, which is completely engulfed in mathematics to make the building perfect to the imperfection of the human eye whereas there is not a single straight line/curve in the building, but to the human perfect and perfectly straight. From the olympic games, the biggest sports event in the world, to language,grammar,writing. And the list goes on and on and on. I could name almost anything. Democracy, humanity, laws, coinage system, 5 of the 7 world wonders of the ancient world, theater, drama, comedy, etc. Almost every subject/science is rooted in Greece or heavily influenced. While You fantasize that Greeks stole, but without any evidence. In the meantime, Greek language is the oldest continuous living language in the world, and having influenced almost all other western languages heavily. Even most names on the map are Greek. Hell, even the name India is Greek. *And Arabic culture in the 8th century AD, has been utterly and profoundly influenced by everything Greek.* And when Alexander conquered most of the ancient world, he spread Greek civilization deep into Central Asia and Indian subcontinent. Greek civilization had a huge influence on the entire region. From coinage, to astronomy, theater, jewelry, arts, architecture, and countless of other things. - Did you know that EVEN the Buddha has was first made in Greek. For 1000 years long the Greek (Gandahara) Buddha stream was the number 1 stream in East Asia and Indian Subcontinent. Before the Greeks, Cultures in India and other regions believed their gods to be in the sky, in the flowers, in the air etc. Ancient Greeks created their Greek gods in a human form, with personalities. The Greeks then created the Buddha in the human form. And thus the Greek buddha was created and was the largest stream in Central Asia and Indian subcontinent. Greek arts was the catalyst of Asian arts. Yes, even the buddha has en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_art en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhist_monasticism And for instance, the National dance of Afghanistan today is the Attan Dance. The Attan dance is a Greek dance. Not only is the dance exactly the same as the Pyrrhic dances for thousands of years, but also even the Clothing is incredibly Greek. The dance Attan (as the Afghans call it today) is a dance that was executed for the Greek goddess Athena. www.thelovelyplanet.net/attan-the-national-dance-of-afghanistan/ islamoblog.blogspot.nl/2009/08/ancient-greek-origins-of-pashtuns-attan.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khattak_dance "the Attan dance was originated from the Greek Pyrrhic dance, that was executed for the Greek goddess Athena" - Even the world's most famous people in the last 6000 years based on Harvard university studies are dominated by Greeks. -The world's 100 most famous people in the last 6000 years scientific studies Harvard pantheon.media.mit.edu/rankings/people/all/all/-4000/2010/H15 1 Aristotle (Greek) 2 Plato (Greek) 3 Jesus 4 Socrates (Greek) 5 Alexander the Great (Greek) 6 Leonardo Dthat a vinci 7 Confucius 8 Julius Caesar 9 Homer (Greek) 10 Pythagoras (Greek) 11 Archimedes (Greek) I can go on and on and on. But I believe I made my point very clear. What you say is completely false.

@KretinoSantino

7 жыл бұрын

+Chewar Siwaily Babylonia was on extremly fertile soil (at that time) and had high population density. That did lead to first huge organized society and the existence of organized society required some kind of writing and with writing, social "laws" which were compiled in Code of Hammurabi. Babylonia was also on crossroads of civilizations so they acquired all knowledge from Europe, Africa, and some probably from Asia and also from other parts of Middle East. Babylonia had these 2 external factors which did fuel the development of organized and at that time, advanced society. Babylonia had ~1000 year jump start. Nothing less, nothing more. End of story.

@eltarlantezos

6 жыл бұрын

It's just an axcuse for uneducated people to express their primitive instincts, as comment section, clearly, indicates. What is funny many believe that deconstruct the ingenuity of Greek maths, ignoring Greek maths is much more than primitive arithmetic(quite advanced for its time, though). I can't understand how a scientific video attracts trolls to state their prejudices.

RIP greeks

@hassanbassim4007

7 жыл бұрын

LOOOL

@drpk6514

5 жыл бұрын

It took thousands of years until civilization reaches Greece. Then whatever they learnt they claimed or other Europeans claimed is from them. Thats they culture. Just like when European went to America and Australia claimed they discovered them.

Sumerians tablet, not Babylonian. Sumerian tablets do have also the original stories which we call Torah, Bible and Quran stories.

It took thousands of years until civilization reaches Greece. Then whatever they learnt they claimed or other Europeans claimed is from them. Thats they culture. Just like when European went to America and Australia claimed they discovered them.

It annoys the feck out of me that making calculations in Base sixty is held up as something special.

Yeah yeah, and if this guy had watched Carl Munck explain geomathmatics which he made in 1994, he wouldnt be 25 years behind. Maybe ole Carl went wacko later in life, but his utube vid on megalithic structures and their advanced understanding of pi ratio was brilliant. This tablet is just more proof Carl knew what the hell he was talking about and modern corporate science is slow on the up take. One mans opinion...........................kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqttzrZ7YMu6frg.html

322 what an interesting number to choose... obvious reference to skull and bones. Some shilling at work

русские чЕрты и рЕзы?

So, why do we still call it Pythagoras' theory, when we now know it was a Babylonian discovery !!!

@Ptolemy336VV

3 жыл бұрын

Because it's not similar to Pythagoras. And also. unlike Babylon of which only this example exists, the Greeks did something that the rest didn't do. They created the concept of science and formulated everything in their world of knowledge, which is why almost all sciences originate from Greece. Even the science history itself. Now you have to know that Babylonia, Egypt, Mesopotamia and also the Greek bronze age contemporary highly advanced civilizations of the Minoan civilization and Cycladic civilization where present before the time of Classical Greece. But none of what the Greeks know by 500 BCE, has ever been found in ANY of the Greek civilizations from 2000 years before Classical Greece or any of the civilizations from that time of the wider ara. Even after the Greeks, most parts of the world did not have the knowledge that the Ancient Greeks had, until Greek knowledge arrived there, even 1700-2000 years later. And that is why it's the Greeks that are at the root of countless of things. And Pythagoras actually properly established and formulated everything that he came up with. If we don't go by these statistical facts, we can even say that dinosaurs already used PI, just because the wind stands in the right direction. So, lets stick to actual facts here.

@oli0cp1.qgjf6vs5

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ptolemy336VV Pythagoras was a Phoenician

@oli0cp1.qgjf6vs5

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ptolemy336VV The father of Greek philosophy, Thales, was of Phoenician origin

hehe, what the shit. this new?..this not discovery

😍😍🇮🇶🇮🇶💪💪😎😎

Gr8, w/one quibble. Its not actually rare that the ancient world teaches us something new. Chinese philosophy of yin yang, e.g., is insanely applicable to health and medicine. What's rare , to an extent, is arrogant modern folk being open minded to the ancient world's stuff, and i dont mean woo woo stuff

Check Mate, atheists.

@youbidoubidou

7 жыл бұрын

That tablet is older than Jesus lol.

@joellaz9836

7 жыл бұрын

Check Mate Read the epic of Gilgamesh which is an ancient Mesopotamian epic poem that talks about a great flood. We know where the bible stole their ideas from.

@vexzeen2102

7 жыл бұрын

The great flood was known by the ancients worldwide. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

@mmmail1969

6 жыл бұрын

Christ was "revealed" 2,000yrs ago....He predates time itself.

Nice work guys! But!!! We already know it from old buildings around the world and especially Europe. Stop waisting your time on this))

Maybe in another 1,000 yrs all the smart people will realize this is Phrygian, not Babylonian. The Babylonians were one step above ignorant savage when the Phrygians moved in to help them and taught them everything that could be learned at the time. Then, like the Egyptians, the Babylonians perverted the Phrygian and most of the Phrygians LEFT Babylon; Babylon collapsed like Egypt. Phrygia should have set up Phrygian 1st; instead of over extending their willingness to assist/LEAD/PLAN/GUIDE in the development of what eventually became Mesopotamia, Greece, Europe, Balkans and Asia Minor. They were spread too thin; like America today; their power distributed to alleged "allies" with selfish motivations lusting after Phrygian knowledge and the by-products of the knowledge. It is a vicious cycle fighting over the rhetoric of politics, religion, psychology, and the lack of knowledge. Like fleas trained only to jump one foot into the air; humans have reached a level where the knowledge being sought turns into the violent acts of desperation that have haunted humanity since before the Phrygians walked OUT of the protective forest and headed into what became "North, East and West." Humanity needs to rise above the arrogant mindset that has bloodied the dust of time and past "stages" of Human progress; if humanity is to resolve the reproduction problem that is polluting the planet with nuclear and other wastes.

@GAMWTHNMANARASOY

7 жыл бұрын

Hassan Bassim Who came from the east? Greek tribes living also in the east. This guy over there just saying bullshits. The answer is on the top comment.

@josephpaulfreije9109

7 жыл бұрын

Hassin Bassim? who is that? What I said is FACT.

@josephpaulfreije9109

7 жыл бұрын

The Luwian people, Phrygians, existed before there was a Babylon; before there was an Egypt, before there were ANY countries of bull blood drinkers.

@oli0cp1.qgjf6vs5

2 жыл бұрын

The father of Greek philosophy, Thales, was of Phoenician origin

@oli0cp1.qgjf6vs5

2 жыл бұрын

The Babylonians taught you and the Phrygians

I can relate this issue to an event in metaphor that could make more sense of the point about the issue and my last posts; in greater simplicity to some people. The other day on twitter; a proud boasting self-righteous know it all licensed preacher told me to "not speak condescending to him!" AFTER he had boasted of his Knowledge of the work and meaning and importance of Jesus; I asked him "What does the word GOD mean?" He doesn't know, and he's licensed by the state to preach God; I'm not licensed and i don't preach GOD (I discuss perceptions of life). I have NEVER met a person who knows what GOD means; and I have put the meaning online 100 times over the years on different social media; seems no one got it; yet I am amazed at how many people want me to pay them to tell me about the only begotten son of God. I say GOD, not God, I'm called a nut job by a snowflake millennial lib dem vagi-hat gang; and I know what GOD means. Go figure; no math needed.

I am Gayreek and i find this offensive!

Theoretical nonsense