I've been an ancestry subscriber for over 20 years and, yes, I've had some complaints, but I guess what aggravates me the most is the addition of new features and new charges. The cost of your service is plenty. But now paying extra for military records and newspapers and this matches thing, I'm beginning to feel nickeled and dimed to death.

@AmyJohnsonCrow

15 күн бұрын

You're not the only one who feels that way. Unfortunately, I don't see a lot of change on that horizon.

@lionheart830

14 күн бұрын

I totally agree.

@user-hm6bn6kw6k

13 күн бұрын

@@lionheart830 Thank you.

@Taina2024

4 күн бұрын

I'm not sure how long its going to survive with all of these fees, especially when some of the things are at other places for fr--. Once a large co. came in it went downhill. MH already had this feat. for years and the Chromosone Browser.

@Taina2024

4 күн бұрын

People shouldn't have to pay just to see who they match with, and also, they get to see everyone's trees, but they expect us to pay to see them, that's ridiculous. Its diminishing my trust for them!

Disappointed to see this is pro tools only. It is a nice feature, but 120 bucks every year is too much right now for pro.

@AmyJohnsonCrow

15 күн бұрын

Last I checked, you could get ProTools on a monthly subscription. Of course, you need to remember to cancel when you're done using it. But that can be a good option if you're going to be focused on DNA for awhile.

@kjw79

15 күн бұрын

That really has nothing to with this lady.

@cababyboomerq6012

7 күн бұрын

I think this pro tool really IS a game changer. But probably only for people who really understand DNA and how to use it. It has already solved a few long standing mysteries for me!

I've been playing with shared matches for just a few days, and I've already learned so much! Here is just one example: I had already identified a group of DNA matches who shared a common ancestor (B), who (based only on a family name and the DNA matches) I conjectured was the sister of my great-grandmother (A). Now with shared matches, I can also compare them to my two second cousins. Now I have a much better case that (A) and (B) are sisters, using the shared match info. But there's more. I found another set of my DNA matches, which the shared match feature told me were closely related. I was able to trace their tree, and found out they share a common ancestor (C) who also shares the same family name with (A) and (B). The shared matches among all these descended (over a dozen different tests) prove to me that (A), (B), and (C) are very closely related, and it's very likely they are all sisters. Note that these are all Lebanese immigrants to the US born in Lebanon before 1900. I suspect the shared match feature is going to be especially useful to you if you're in the same boat: trying to relate immigrant families who go back around 3-5 generations, from places with no avaible records.

@mykotron

5 күн бұрын

Are these tools available in Ancestry® Pro Tools? It only says "See how MUCH dna is shared with matches... not HOW theyre matched" ... ahh just heard her say its just the US lol

While I am intrigued by the new feature, I am really not sure I would get pro-tools even if ever becomes available up here in the Great White North (🇨🇦) as I would seem to me to be something that should be a part of the subscription in the first place.

@matrixrosemary

12 күн бұрын

it is available in Canada, I've had it for a few days. it's really cool.

Pro Tools shared matches is awesome. I've been able to identify and/or confirm relationships bc of it. Plus, it expands tree availability.

One point people are not making is this gives one the impression that the three matches have the same Most Recent Common Ancestors (MRCA). The MRCA between you and your match may be a different person than the MRCA between your match and your shared match. People tend to assume that the two MRCAs are the same person. They may or may not be. In other words the shared segments may not be the same between you and your match and you and your shared match!!

@AmyJohnsonCrow

14 күн бұрын

Very true! But being able to see the relationships can help sort these things out more easily.

@michaelrife

14 күн бұрын

Christa Cowan said that AncestryDNA is working on indicating triangulated segments. That would be awesome.

@michaelrife

14 күн бұрын

@@AmyJohnsonCrow Oh yes I added the Pro Tools and had an unknown cousin who had no tree, but with "Matches of Matches" I was able to see a common match who was on my tree and based on the cM match with my unknown cousin, was a sibling, so I with supporting evidence I can add the unknown cousin to my tree.

Great vid as per. Just a heads up that the UK release was yday, 24th June

@AmyJohnsonCrow

15 күн бұрын

Glad you liked the video! Thanks for the heads-up on the UK release.

Australia has it, too. The first thing I found out was when the home person on the attached to DNA test kit public family tree is not the tester.

You're an angel! I just got Pro Tools, and I couldn't figure out how to get to the "Matches of Matches" feature. Your video was very helpful! Thank you!

Love the pro tools! I have been able to id a good number of matches with only initials and no trees by seeing that whoa - these 3 are siblings, and I already know how their uncle fits in.... Etc, etc. So many useful features!!

I get the same thing on 23&Me and I do not have to pay for it.

@heknows9441

13 күн бұрын

💯💯💯 kudos to 23nme

@carokat1111

6 күн бұрын

I find matches on 23 and Me impossible to use.

@imjustdwight6891

Күн бұрын

How's that working for you? 23&Me matches sucks.

@mimsicle1

16 сағат бұрын

23 and me removed this feature months ago.

@mimsicle1

16 сағат бұрын

This is not new. I’ve used shared matches for years.

My Heritage gives the two people who are related to me without a subscription. It does matter if they have a tree. The same common people repeat a lot. I'm sure it's not the same but I broke a wall with it. Have you seen it?

I've mainly found it to be useful for more recent matches, where it identifies family members taking tests. I can then take that information and do traditional genealogy to make the match. I had a couple stubborn mysteries in one of my lines - turns out they were father/daughter and social media for the verification win so that I could connect them. I would love to see a use case for farther back matches. Folks on my dad's line I can kind of see are related to his great grandmother, but I also see matches related to his great grandfather, so its a mess. I may be dealing with more complicated DNA than I originally thought on that line.

I don't know my dad relatives. Hope this will be helpful in identifying the family groupings and extend my tree

@AmyJohnsonCrow

15 күн бұрын

I hope so, too!

Questions: - Will an Ancestry Pro-Tools subscription add the feature to ALL kits you manage / collaborate on, or just your primary? - If you associate a tree with a kit, link a few dozen matches in the kit to that tree, then temporarily disconnect the kit from the tree, then reconnect the kit to the same tree, will you have to manually reconnect the matches?

@AmyJohnsonCrow

Күн бұрын

Matches are done by Ancestry, and it isn’t dependent on the tree the kit is attached to. (You don’t even need to attach it to a tree to get matches, since the matching is on the DNA, not the tree.) The ProTools is per account, so you would have this feature for all of the kits that you manage.

Thanks!

Great explanation.

I've just signed up for a month to try it this new feature (oh and I'm from the UK and it became available a few days ok, don't know this is available to everyone here but just thought you should know). I've previously slated Ancestry for putting things beyond paywalls more than most, but to me this is a feature that is reasonably priced (i bought it for £5 for one month, which i think it's reasonable). There is one thing about these matches of matches that everyone else reviewing this new feature that no one has mentioned. Amy go and have a look at this feature again, note down the matches for a middle matching person and then put out another video because for me there is something in there that is a game changer that everyone reviewing this has overlooked and Ancestry isn't putting out there. It's something I've complained and before and I'm doing a lot of work now in case it's something Ancestry didn't mean to implement.

@AmyJohnsonCrow

15 күн бұрын

Are you talking about how you can see matches that are below 20 cM? :-)

@mattpotter8725

15 күн бұрын

@@AmyJohnsonCrow Got it!!! Not heard anyone mention this, and I'm wondering if it's not intentional and is a bug that will be removed in beta. As someone who is researching my 2x g grandfather whose matches back to the common ancestor are around 20cM this restriction has had me pulling my hair out because I usually get 4 or 5 shared matches at best, more I can see 20 more and as you said the relationships between them all. This is a game changer. Oh, and to correct you on a point you made in the video there is a way before this to find more potential matches, which is to contact the match and ask them to share their DNA matches with you. The only problem with this approach is that many don't respond, don't want to do this, but some are and do. I do think you should share this because again I wonder how many people know you can do this. It's not perfect because matches you both have might be related in different ways, but it will give you hints if you are researching distant matches who aren't from the same state, region, country, or even continent. Finally, in addition to what I said in my first comment I don't mind paying extra for new features, if they will help and aren't overpriced. I don't think taking away what people who may be just getting into DNA genealogy and have bought a DNA test is a great idea (a free 3 or 6 months should be included to get them hooked). I honestly think this is a game changer, but I'll be dipping in and it is using it so it won't be $100 extra a year.

@mattpotter8725

15 күн бұрын

@@AmyJohnsonCrow Is everyone trying to keep this quiet so not too many people try it?

@AmyJohnsonCrow

15 күн бұрын

I didn't show the 20 cM thing because I'm not positive that it isn't a glitch.

@mattpotter8725

15 күн бұрын

@@AmyJohnsonCrow Fair enough. I'm not really disappointed in you but saying this because if it takes them a while to realise this and push out updates then I have time to get crucial information that might not ever be possible any other way in the near future!!!

I stopped using Ancestry once they started locking down more and more stuff behind paywalls

Thank you for the video!! I have found that the - how are your matches related to each other - to be inaccurate in some instances, so you may get wrong suggested relationships. Cousin instead of uncle, Nephew instead of grandson, which could lead us to follow a wrong family line, so we can't be definite on some of these relationships. What's the best way to determine he accuracy here?

@AmyJohnsonCrow

13 күн бұрын

The relationship that's displayed is what Ancestry predicts to be the most likely. If you click on the relationship, you'll see other possibilities based upon the amount of DNA that's shared. Ultimately, it comes down to research.

For months we've been told about free 'features' that encourage collaboration but pro tools does the exact opposite. If just 1% of 25 million dna testers pay for it each month that's $2.5 million each month. No company releases a product in the hope of getting just 1% uptake. As it's not available as a stand alone item it's mandatory to have at least a basic subscription and add pro tools on top so the reality is it costs far more than the 'advertised' price. To rub salt in the wounds let's not forget they are selling us information we provided to them by way of buying dna kits from them.

It's a game changer, but it looks like there are still some bugs. For example, you can't see the longest segment of the other match (it shows up as blank cM).

I don't have pro, but that's a really nice feature.

Overwhelmed by countless DNA matches? No, I only have a few hundred so I have the opposite problem. This sort of feature will save some people time but for people like me, who live outside north America where DNA testing is less popular, it could be the breakthrough we've been waiting for. As Amy mentions one of the problems is matches who lack trees, don't respond and can't be researched. When you don't have many matches this is more than annoying, it can be a brickwall itself, especially if multiple people can help but don't respond I'm disappointed by Ancestry charging us these days but at least this is genuinely useful. If it leads to new info then I'll happily pay. If anything it means I won't have to pester other users for basic info

While the news is uber exciting, the paywall is less as much lol. I haven't subscribed to the pro portion yet, as most times it is clunky and the "backend servers" are down etc. I'll wait a bit. The dead can wait as well I figured. I am very green on the DNA portion, and have only dabbled with DNA Painter a few times. I can see how the cM's between matches could help in that regard. Wrapping my head around it all will take time I guess.

@AmyJohnsonCrow

15 күн бұрын

I hear ya about not being thrilled that it's part of ProTools! One good thing is that you can subscribe to ProTools on a monthly basis; you don't have to commit to an entire year. When you're feeling more up-to-speed with DNA, you could take it out for a spin for a month or two.

@any1butclinton

15 күн бұрын

I'm not thrilled about the extra $$ but have subscribed to try it out. Currently, I have entered known matches (1st & 2nd cousins on one branch) into BanyanDNA to validate that I have everyone in the correct place. It is looking good so far. Now I plan to enter those other shared matches as hypothesis to see approximately where they will land in the tree. This strategy should help me identify my unknown 2xGreat Grandfather.

@hemichallenger3643

15 күн бұрын

@@any1butclinton The 10 bucks a month is really nothing in the grand scheme of things. I get it. I just didn't like that it became a separate charge. But like Amy said, you can opt out. Me personally, I have every DNA cousin down to 50cM's identified. I don't know how far I want to go down that rabbit hole. I may try the pro tools to see what issues it uncovers in regards to my tree. Maybe I have some hidden errors. Just don't know if I want to do it during the summer, since I'm pretty busy.

I can't believe that Ancestry does the DNA match and then compares it to family trees of those matches. If it's true, then how come so many DNA matches have either no tree or a limited few have a tree with 1 to 7 people. It's a puzzle to me for certain

@AmyJohnsonCrow

14 күн бұрын

People do the tests for all kinds of reasons, including for the ethnicity estimate. Some people have no interest in building a tree. Think of it this way - if Ancestry was looking at the trees first, you’d never see a match with someone who doesn’t have a tree.

@lionheart830

14 күн бұрын

@@AmyJohnsonCrow You stated in your video that Ancestry does the DNA match and then aligns the DNA to the trees. What I am questioning is how they can align to trees that are NOT there. Makes no sense.

@AmyJohnsonCrow

14 күн бұрын

@lionheart830 Ancestry isn’t aligning trees. If there is a genetic match, they will then look at the trees attached to those tests (if any). If the trees have people in common, Ancestry will give a notice of “common ancestor.” Regardless of what the trees show, the relationships that they show between you and a match is based upon the amount of DNA you share.

@lionheart830

13 күн бұрын

@@AmyJohnsonCrow This could have been your explanation in your video.

I am really sick of the upselling to get enhancements that should be included in your membership.

This add-on feature will likely have the results anticipated by Ancestry of increasing their revenues, but it won't be very helpful for those paying for it. All of your matches are related to, but the only way to prove a specific line is through a chromosome browser with the ability of triangulation. To illustrate how useless this new feature is, move your DNA to a service that has a chromosome browser (all of Ancestry's competitors) and look at your matches then see how many of those matches of matches triangulate. It won't be very many. Ancestry has some good features, but this add-on isn't a serious attempt to aid their subscribers in solving relationships.

@kathrynludrick4821

15 күн бұрын

Have to disagree.

@staceycoates1418

15 күн бұрын

I think this will be helpful in using WATO, because you need to know how much the matches match to the target kit. And so I like this idea for that reason. I just don't know if I can justify the cost just to have to go to another tool. Either way, I am not spending that money just yet, I have other projects to work on.

@AmyJohnsonCrow

15 күн бұрын

I disagree. While a chromosome browser would be nice, it isn't like you cannot make discoveries without one. This tool has already proven to be useful for focusing research and spotting anomalies in relationships.

@richardoneal1055

15 күн бұрын

@AmyJohnsonCrow In Ancestry if you're looking for your father's line, (example Jones), you might select matches of match to a known Jones line, and the results will be related, but not likely on yourvJones line. I thought you would have seen this opening and would have mentioned this.

@kathrynludrick4821

15 күн бұрын

@@staceycoates1418 Interesting what you said re WATO.