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@herbh7893

2 ай бұрын

i'd give you, but only use crypto for donating. It's easiest and convenienst for me. (And avoids the intrusive data analysis and spying of banks, paypal and credit card companies)

I see it as a win for democracy, the beginning of genuine multiparty democracy in South Africa. Anybody in the ANC that really belived in democrasy must have know the day would come when they would not be the only party to hold power.

@bilkees8151

2 ай бұрын

Exactly what I thought. Many smaller parties have managed to get seats in our parliament. Our country is diverse, and so our voices are diverse. Atleast we are able to vote for people who stand for what we stand, without having to throw our lot in with people we don't agree with just because they're the only 2 options.

@Nogoodalvarez

2 ай бұрын

South Africa and USA are both very corrupt countries.

No one talks about how the ANC was gracious in defeat. And have accepted the outcome. In the 30 years of government, they have had 2 presidents resign & 1 deputy president resigned. Out of 287 people, 89 are governed through coalitions including 5 richest municipalities. Monumental failure in governance, but true democrats. Thank you ANC given how liberation movements have been oppressive in Africa.

@ancient_orchards

2 ай бұрын

Excellent point

The US has a real problem with poverty and wealth extremes. We don't have that much corruption, only because the corrupts make the law. We have had two and a half centuries of this. South Africa has been at democracy for three decades. Give them a break.

@freebluebutterfly6583

2 ай бұрын

South Africa's gap between the rich & poor is a far WORSE problem. I know it bcos I lived there for decades. They have a Shocking unemployment & crime rate. I hope this will be the rise of Mzansi 🇿🇦 ❣️

@markrussell480

2 ай бұрын

Who or which country doesn't have a corruption problem also which country doesn't have a wealth to poverty issues ?

@technokicksyourass

2 ай бұрын

LOL, the US has an obesity epidemic. It's a different kind of "wealth extreme" to South Africa. Many South Africans would give their left nut to be as "poor" as someone in the US.

@ForeverYoung-qz2if

2 ай бұрын

Thank you. I'm so tired of negative people . There is always hope and finding solutions. One can only learn from ones wrongdoing. How else will we learn.??

@TheBostricano

2 ай бұрын

The country was better off during apartheid. THAT IS SOOO SAD. Your leaders are OH, SO CORRUPT. all you have is crime and no electricity. A DISGRACE!!!

Sadly, "Black monopoly capital" will be as bad as white or any colour monopoly capital. The issue is not the colour, it is the monopoly. Swopping the colour is no solution for the masses. - And, monopoly is only a part of the issue.

@GGMC556

2 ай бұрын

Tell Cornel West that lol

@ja9.b73

2 ай бұрын

I agree with you that it is fundamentally about class. But I also think that it is important to acknowledge that race was historically used to create class in South Africa. And that many working class whites were prepared to betray their fellow black working class countrymen, in order to participate in that racial project as a way for their own personal class/status advancement. Class and race are still intertwined in South Africa and any successful left movement will have to hold an awareness of this reality at the forefront and handle it with sensitivity. Many white South Africans (of which I am one and I recognise this is a generalisation) dismiss the profound racial trauma that the majority of black South Africans have, and still do, experience/d. As whites, we need to own our 'group's' complicity and guilt and be more respectful. When the DA replaces a black leader with a white leader (who shows none of the qualities I've just mentioned) or has adverts burning the new South African flag, many black South Africans experience this as a profound racial insult and are put off voting for the party. Of course, the DA is a centre right party, so I am only bring them up as an example to say that if we are to truly succeed in building a class project (which I would argue should include the unemployed and increasingly precarious middle class, as well as the working class) against monopoly capital then we also have to build inter-racial solidarity.

@HenkBoshoff

2 ай бұрын

@@GGMC556 Cornel West and I are not on speaking terms.

@zippymufo9765

2 ай бұрын

​​@@ja9.b73You're not going to build a class project that transcends race. If Europe has abandoned class solidarity for culture war identity politics, then the rest of the world will inevitably follow.

@mrplanet3525

Ай бұрын

the problem began with everyone coming to africa for economic reasons, the politics are merely a tool for economics, capitalism will never bring peace, no one should have ever came to africa. we had our indigenous way of living, and our only concern was making sure we worry about no using natural resources irresponsibly, economics cares more about making sure resources should be scarce to create demand and supply dynamics. this never existed in african communities. western people should have come to see how we lived and respected how we lived instead of trying to impose their ways for the sake of economics.

God bless South Africa! ❤

This is great news

Who or which country doesn't have a corruption problem also which country doesn't have a wealth to poverty issues ?

We don't want ANC and DA to work togerther. Look at how Black and colored people live in DA run Cape Town, it is sad. ANC should go with Black parties

@BobyourUncle

2 ай бұрын

I'm not sure they live any differently from the people in ANC run Diepsloot. Poverty is a massive problem across our beautiful country - we need sober and honest leadership not populist demagogues if we are going to work together to pull ourselves out of this mess...

@mikeStinson-gg2wl

2 ай бұрын

​@@BobyourUncle I completely agree

@fikilenako1805

2 ай бұрын

Comrades are back and stronger than ever. MK, ANC, and EFF together must deal with the spirit of zionism that is currently looming and a threat to the black existence. If these three parties can loose focus and not put their personal differences aside, what is done to GAZA currently will be done to the black community.

@ElectrostatiCrow

2 ай бұрын

That's a "You" problem. I want them to work together.

Every single structure failed. SOE's failed. Women's and Children's rights failed. Mandela was an idealist. The ANC focused on the rights of the Black majority and Mbeki's Africanisation. The BEE and all the other acronyms was essentially to empower a certain component of the population to the detriment if ither groups and by doing so created a huge dissonance in a society that pulled together to dismantle an unfair system inly to be confronted by another unfair system which is characterised by a blatant lack of accountability in a country rife with corruption. All those stalwarts who fought to dismantle Apartheid are now riding the gravy train. Orwellian times. Many people who were committed voters of the ANC did not even vote because quite frankly there is not a single leader or party worth voting for.

It's great how everyone wises up when it's 2 late lol !!!!!

Nobody ever said that democracy is smooth and easy, its a noisy multi-lane highway intersection.

The fact that Louis Freedberg stated that it would be more wise for the ANC to side with the DA instead of the EFF due to “government experience” shows his true colors.

@Comrade_Broski

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@kiticanax1421

2 ай бұрын

@hotelesl232 Zimbabwe the country that was under massive sanctions that were just lifted after decades of fighting against them?

@bridges5659

2 ай бұрын

100 %

@mikiafu

2 ай бұрын

Why? What are his true colors?

@bridges5659

2 ай бұрын

@@mikiafu Hey, Voetsek wena.

@02:42 Did he call Amy “Michelle”? 😂

@pex3

2 ай бұрын

He did it multiple times

Hi, I'm a South African and listening to your panelists regarding the outcome of elections in South Africa is really subjective and they don't give objective views. Trevor Ngwane is definitely an opponent of the ANC. Maybe we should be asking whether the settlement agreement that led to the democracy was going to be sustainable for the development of South Africa? I give credit to the ANC for the role it played in the democratic process of South Africa. Yes, we can question the role in certain government decisions. Nobody has been detained or killed for criticizing government or the governing party. Thanks to the democracy the ANC and other anti-apartheid organizations. Thirty years is democracy in South Africa was definitely not challenges, but we can still wake up with hope of continuing to improve our lives. I think from your panelists views is that South Africans must remain too dependent on government providing "handouts." Maybe get objective commentators on the topic for a balanced review of the reasons that led to the ANC loosing political power. Regards Clement

Very illuminating! Thank you, Amy and Democracy Now.

Good to see a dynamic and living South Africa. May South Africa's new culture of freedom and liberty continue to grow. In freedom and liberty lies strength. People must respect other people. Envy and jealously is a poison.

Ah. Bye bye reverse apartheid. SA Sucks.

Am so proud of my country and also our African culture. Our former President Mandela was at pains to inform the world that unlike the West we are not about individuals but about freedom. Those who are intellectuals will agree. As a people we are under scrutiny but there's a huge elephant in the room our white brothers and sisters! We as black people are aware that we face more scrutiny and also more judgement and definitely would have more punishment from the West had we opted for punishing our oppressors! We chose peace but it was not out of stupidity but survival we!😂😂 are resilient and survivors and I do wish other nations would respect our courage. Every political analysis about our country is deemed acceptable internationally when there is a white analyst in the panel yet we are more than 70percent black! Seriously tired

@SuperHyperExtra

2 ай бұрын

"unlike the West we are not about individuals but about freedom" What???

@nomacamasuponi992

2 ай бұрын

@@SuperHyperExtra we are not about individual pain only. This is not a case of an eye for an eye. I come from a culture which recognizes collective thought hence our imbizo structure of decision making as Africans! It was never perfect but it worked. Tata Madiba was also informed by this and as someone who comes from his culture let me advise you to read our history from a book written by an African man called Tiyo Soga talking about the evolution of our traditional values and customs and this was in the 1800 and something years yes no mistake! Apartheid was no mistake they could see that we could destroy the litany created we are equal! Intellectual human beings Viva!

@nomacamasuponi992

2 ай бұрын

@@SuperHyperExtra individualism! Second language speaker dear chap!

About time! South Africa is a mess.

What they know is stealing money and no one is going to jail

@dreynolds4883

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like alot of countries 🤔

On the Palestinian suffering this was not political we have always been with the cause and what I love about our solidarity is that Palestinian people are yes Muslim some but others are Christian and other religions they Are just human beings seeking to be free 😀

@DotaAvailable

Ай бұрын

either muslims or christians in palestine are suffering from racism. there are Palestinian Christians and they are patriots.

Yeah, when you look at the state of affairs in South Africa, who’s working for the people? It’s like the people are working for nothing bloody shame.😢

excellent interview. Time for South Africa to bring more of its people out of poverty

We prayed for this for a very long time, this is answered prayer.

Well the ANC had 30yrs to get their act together! Now a new chapter has begun in SA and we will see how it goes?!

its like a cycle they needed to see ANC in power 30 years its a lot its time to see something else

ANC's "life cycle" has ended!

They wanted to eat and eat and eat alone forgetting to govern democratically? Greed for money!😂

The ANC has made South Africa poor.

@luckycat-tarot

2 ай бұрын

The destroyed our beautiful country

@nebwachamp

2 ай бұрын

Mandela was a fraud. Obama lite

@hybridPeople358

2 ай бұрын

It was definitely rich for black people before.. right

@siyabongajacobdlamini1764

2 ай бұрын

Nope

@memeguyTM

2 ай бұрын

Stop discrimination. Why only black? What about Indian people? Ahhhh right...​@@hybridPeople358

They put money before good governance, what did Zuma and Ramaphosa contribute to South Africa in their presidency, think people, think! Nkandla and State Capture/ Ramaphosa deputy ores and then Pres and then Phala Phala, what more can I say?

This is an example if democracy

You botched Fikile Mbalula's last name 😂😂😂

@memeguyTM

2 ай бұрын

Nah, that man is the definition of a botch so it's fitting

God Bless Malema! He is the People's Choice and the People's Will, that is to be certain. Without Malema presiding over the coalition government the People's Will cannot be actualized. Godspeed Africa 🎉 The point isn't for the EFF to win - that was never going to happen. In coalition with the EFF, the ANC can maintain majority while carrying out Mandela's Will. Ramaphosa mustn't choose the colonizers ❤

@ElectrostatiCrow

2 ай бұрын

Look how the narrative has shifted. You guys used to tell us that he was going to win. Now you have been humbled. None of the major parties want to work with Malema.

The new Government must promote jobs , sustainable enterprises for women , new housing schemes . Agriculture reform and development must be on the front burner . Finally the power grid needs recapitulation

@williamshakur8715

Ай бұрын

Just delete jobs we in 4th industrial revolution no more physical labour 60% work force is already eliminated

This is the start of Anc downfall! The rise and fall of Anc. It's finished!

There is still tribal loyalty in South Africa - what most people who are claiming that the ANC have lost their majority are ignoring is that it's simply a loyalty vote by the Zulu people for Zuma (as a Zulu), who was kicked out of the ANC for the corruption that brought the party into such disrepute. The schism in the ANC happened some time back, when Thabo Mbeki was ousted, and then Ramaphosa turned the party away from the Zuma camp. Parties like MK (Zuma's party) the EFF (whose leader Malema was the head of the ANC Youth League for many years) have taken some support from the ANC, but they're still offshoots of the ANC so the ideals of Mandela and the original ethos of the ANC isn't necessarily lost when we vote for people who previously held leadership positions in the ANC

@Pamela-ek9cp

2 ай бұрын

They are tribal like your comment

@sothapantsunyora6655

2 ай бұрын

You watch the news too much😂

@hernandayolearyallda

2 ай бұрын

False, the most tribal party are the FF+ and DA who run on white identity politics. Their predecessors ran apartheid system a white tribal rule.

@ElectrostatiCrow

2 ай бұрын

If you count the votes only 2,6 million out of 15 or 16 million Zulu people voted Zuma. The rest either went for other parties or just did not vote at all. Regardless, I am happy to see our democracy flourish.

@Roxyopal77

2 ай бұрын

@@ElectrostatiCrow We only had 58% voter turnout, and we couldn't know what demographic the remaining 42% come from. If you look at the results based on the location of the voting stations where MK won, their votes are almost exclusively in KZN and Mpumalanga. Not sure how just over half of the population being confident enough with their options to vote is a win for democracy, but ok... Why don't any other South Africans find it to be madness to cheer because Zuma took votes from the ANC? Zuma is the one who broke the ANC, Ramaphosa has been answering for Zuma and his cronies since he took leadership, and DA supporters think this is a win because the fear mongering is directed at the ANC not the corrupt individuals

How Amy wena, Mblablabluh 😂 ur doing well shame mam. This is accurate representation of the country. But hey we aren't bombing each other, someone tell the guys in the Levant

A better life can only happen when there is a rebuilding of family and simple moral Biblical values. It has been heartbreaking watching the state capture by the ANC of every institution. Many people do not know that countries continue to send cash every month/ year for the building of clinics and schools. There is so much corruption and these clinics and schools are not even being built. Where is all this money going? There needs to be true oversight from local and overseas.

So greed? Ah I see.

EFF retain alot of their seats at almost ten percent. If MK and ANC don't see Eye to Eye things could get heated.

@memeguyTM

2 ай бұрын

They lost 3 seats....

@hernandayolearyallda

2 ай бұрын

MK ate into EFF votes, MK should have join EFF.

what a glorious day! hopefully, SA can have peace and prosperity going forward.

ANC-DA coalition!!!!

ANC has been useless shame siestog sies

It's a changing period south Africa has to adapt.

This guy is from soweto 😩 why is he even talking here...

Vote for policies and values, not for personalities and parties.

The ANC lost its majority to itself. The parties that drew their majority, are left wing (9%) and right wing (14%) versions of the party.

Its all a set up by the Cabal ! ....we used to this shiite here in SA !! ...next thing we've become the flavor of the moment and all investors are coining it ....whilst the poorest people are still wallowing in the shit ! 😡...ive seen it all before as a 73 yr man that's born and will die here in my beloved SA ! ❤🙏😊

Expected results!🥴😔

As a South African, nothing has weakened my faith in the left more than the ANC.

The ANC lost its majority as a result of many, many years of corruption and destruction. The SA of today should have been in a much, much better place had it not been for the years of Zuma and the fallout from that. Very sad indeed. God bless the RSA.

Thank goodness for SA, Zuma was appointed by U$ anyway, Ramaphosa might bring real changes for once. Heck as long as U$ influence is got rid off, there is always a chance.

Mandela would be ashamed of what the party has become.

Fikile Who?😂

Pls the anc didn't belongs to Mandela, although he was part of the anc, like O.Tambo, W. Mandela. T.Manuel etc those are people who gave a chance to steer the party as was elected by the people who believes in the massage the party stands for and will do so

OR NO HE DIED JUST A FEW YEAR'S AGO

How is Zuma party going to do any better??? And far as Nelson Mandela goes he turned out to be a weak chicken George, it should have been Chris Hanni should have been the leader and remove the cancer....The outsiders and do land reform also nationalize mines and other resources

The reqyirement forced by the election that the ANC work to establish a coslition government will hopefully compel wide-open accountability by the ANC in the governance of South Africa from here on.

Go Malema! ❤

How does peaceful elections equate to democracy?

The ANC leader Ramaphosa's concession speech was one of the most gracious alongside John McCain's speech in 2008.

I really saw the potential of the stock market by reading Berkshire's annual letters. I recently sold my $674k apartment in the Bel Air area and I'm hoping to throw it into the stock market. I just don't want to lose everything.

@KcZyro

2 ай бұрын

Most people either do not understand the power of compound interest, or are just impatient. For the average Joe, however, I think it is just best to invest in the S&P 500, and just wait, which is reliable, albeit extremely long- lots of years. Or just use a professional analyst and speed up wealth creation. Most people underestimate the power of the latter.

@KbcFoundation-un3re

2 ай бұрын

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@IsabellaLisa-vz3jz

2 ай бұрын

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@KbcFoundation-un3re

2 ай бұрын

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@IsabellaLisa-vz3jz

2 ай бұрын

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Can Nigerians act like south Africans?

@ElectrostatiCrow

2 ай бұрын

What do you mean?

the problem began with everyone coming to africa for economic reasons, the politics are merely a tool for economics, capitalism will never bring peace, no one should have ever came to africa. we had our indigenous way of living, and our only concern was making sure we worry about no using natural resources irresponsibly, economics cares more about making sure resources should be scarce to create demand and supply dynamics. this never existed in african communities. western people should have come to see how we lived and respected how we lived instead of trying to impose their ways for the sake of economics.

Name one democracy that is successful?

I hope the new-elected president will not change SA’s support to Palestine!

lets welcome back the colonisers to South Africa, all thanx to blk south Africans

There are three components to the failure of helping the poor over the past three decades. One component is not restricted to South Africa, but is global. The class war of the rich 1% against the other 99% pretty much in every country around the world. Things have not changed for the elites in South Africa since apartheid ended and, in fact, wealth disparity between them and the rest of the population has grown here just as it has globally. The rhetoric against this disparity is valid here just as it is everywhere else. A second component is the rampant corruption by politicians, specifically the ANC, over the past thirty years. Not only have they gladly taken bribes from the elites to further the dominance of big capital, but the ANC have themselves, in their new born power, have become totally corrupt themselves, leaving nothing for the 99% in South Africa. The third component is incompetence. You can't totally hand over the reins of a country to people with no experience and expect it to function properly. A proper transition from the technical expertise of those who made the country run during apartheid was not done to the people who have been running the country after apartheid ended. And it has been a complete disaster. No one knows how to do anything technically. And no one knows how to manage anything properly. As time has gone on, the infrastructure, which worked extremely well under apartheid, has completely fallen apart. The main reason is that no one seems to understand that infrastructure needs a large dedication of resources for basic maintenance. That is not done in any area now within South Africa. Not to mention that if anybody does try to allocate funds for maintenance, that money is stolen. And that doesn't even begin to address the need to add new infrastructure. Corruption has systematically siphoned most of the new development money. The upshot of all of this is that you had an infrastructure built for 10% of the population during apartheid - and that is being lost. And you have no new infrastructure being built for the other 90% of the population plus the increasing population as time goes on. A complete unmitigated disaster. Corruption needs to be reined in. South Africa is a country with amazing potential and the first step in unlocking that potential must be to unseat the corrupt politicians with honest ones. Everyone was hoping that Cyril Ramaphosa could stem the corruption when he took over five years ago. Unfortunately, he was too weak. The feeling is that if Cyril really tried to stop corruption within the ANC, he would have been assassinated. As it is, the worst elements of the ANC corruption, namely Jacob Zuma, have split off from the ANC and created the MK party. Zuma was convicted of corruption and by a South African miracle is not only not in a jail cell, but once again a major player in South African politics. The parallels between Zuma in South Africa and Donald Trump in America are striking. Prior to MK, the EFF was kicked out of the ANC years earlier. Moving forward, the biggest fear is that the new coalition government will be the ANC, MK and EFF. If that occurs any gains against corruption and radicalism over the past thirty years will have been lost. It would be a nightmare and the prospects for South Africa ever reaching it's great potential would be bleak

Is that bad?

If you don’t change you will fail

Colonisers gona take the power 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

The president and his party both failed the people and the country. The countries situation was predicted to happen in the 1960's. The usual happened in the country, the black leaders do nothing constructive and only concentrate on taking away from those who have and giving it to those who don't want to work to build their own wealth. Destruction of the country was expected, but the international society refused to accept that the obvious would happen. Africa does not live according to western ideology, its much more racist, corruption and incompetence is rife. To say South Africa is a democracy is a joke. As in the past racism drives politics but its black on white racism.

Great analysis! 👌🏿

Who is Michelle. Where is Michelle? 😂

Its not a setback. Anc is now broken into 2 - Ramaposa faction and Zuma faction.

It was fine while Mandela was alive....it was forecast that when Mandela passed on...all hell would break lose and so it came to pass...the country is beyond broken and needs desperate change for the better.

WhatsApp dies that mein now? Are the Farmers now in danger?

Lomasimbeni akakhulumi ngeracism yeDA😢

Well its gonna be 2012 all over again for the next 5 years for South Africa, it wasnt really a bad year for the country but less said about the president.

Wow

No party of people is perfect nor can please 100% of the people 100% of the time!

@krysarak

2 ай бұрын

What percentage anc did please?

@demongs7481

2 ай бұрын

The ANC literally lined their pockets at the expense of the country.

Never heard of Louis Freedberg

Cyber warfare.

He'll probably be prez.for 50 years

Who is Michelle lol ...Amy??

Not One SA political party speaks of representative democracy ... each one driven by greed, power and baseless positioning. Same, to them the working class don''t count as an economic factor, hence their eventual collapse. There is no political astuteness in SA to drive genuine change, as demonstrated by the ANC over 3 decades. SA is in a crisis

All the Americans know is Mandela when speaking about SA. He was a great man, but let's move forward with the next step. People need a positive and intelligent leader now who doesn't want to destroy but build. We need electricity, schools and jobs, not looking over our shoulder for guidance.

Minority Gov is better for the people.

@siyabongajacobdlamini1764

2 ай бұрын

I guess you support north Korea.

@Weknowbetter622

2 ай бұрын

The majority who are Africans should have a voice. The white minority should not be in power as that is apartheid! The economic opportunities should be available for the masses!

Maybe something to consider - have many more women in politics

The ANC has been a DISASTER for SA Kind of like what has happened with Democrats in the USA

Will this effect the ICJ hearings ?

@joegibsonzulu2599

2 ай бұрын

Not at all

@ElectrostatiCrow

2 ай бұрын

Looks like we are pulling out. Sorry Plestine.

Mr Trevor is describing LA CALIFORNIA rule by DEMOCRATS

i know the union leaders this man speaks of - they drive big BMW's & mercedes and don't care about the people. and the leader of the EFF drives a porsche while leader of MK lives in a mansion. these guys are not the answer for the poor black child

@1truek269

2 ай бұрын

Cars don't prove your point. Bring facts. They are allowed to own nice cars 🙄

@lm_b5080

2 ай бұрын

@@1truek269 not using public money while average south africans suffer? why is that okay?

@jonassavimbiunitaparty6876

2 ай бұрын

U are politically drank

@idontagree9658

2 ай бұрын

What year & model luxury cars? Buying a used car & restoring it is labor positive & shows a representative who works with their hands. Often a person worth trusting. If you drive it, then own it, driver should be doing their own repairs or at least maintenance. Porsche is now owned by Volkswagen & they have a 1970's model nicknamed "Poorman's Porsche" and is like owning equal to a 2 seater 90's Mazda Miata. Not exactly luxury. Limos? Ferraris? 2020+ luxury cars? While neighbors are struggling with blackouts? I'd be angry too! If it makes u feel better, Texas is still having these same problems too. We need to take a page from Mexico's President and replace the Canadian lawyers with a Ph.D engineer & scientist . Advocate a World Party movement. Boot out the status quo and "Tear down that wall!"

@lm_b5080

2 ай бұрын

@@idontagree9658 we call them ‘champagne communists’ or ‘rolex revolutionaries’ they are ‘for the people’ so they say but actually only for themselves

Hey, when did you change your name Mictchel?

46.

Unable to click on themb's up

All that "Free free Palestine 🇵🇸" did not translate into electoral gains.

@bilkees8151

2 ай бұрын

No, there are many smaller parties that are also pro-Palestine like the EFF and the MK, GOOD, RiseMzansi, Al Jamah, etc. The first two did very well and the others got some seats as well. The ANC only lost votes because they haven't done a great job at home, and there's lots of corruption in government services. We're proud of what they've done at the ICJ, but they're not the only ones who will take up that mantle.

@TheIsraeliHasbaraManual

2 ай бұрын

​@@bilkees8151 Thank you for explaining. I think a lot of people thought like the commentator that their foreign policy stance was what made them lose.

@joegibsonzulu2599

2 ай бұрын

You are mistaken.The Palestinians do not vote in South African elections to begin with.Secondly they are many parties and organizations which are pro Palestine.They will continue to clamour for Palestinian independence.I join them now as I say Free Palestine Now.

Fikile who??😂😂😂😂

I wish the rest of South Africa can see the impact the DA is making in the Western Cape. I recently moved from Mpumalanga to the Cape. What a huge difference. The DA is not just a white party at all yet, they work in all the communities. I think hink a lot of people judge them based on the race of SOME of the leaders. Judge them on the impact they are making and the corruption they are fighting. Give the DA a chance with the ANC.

@reginava02

2 ай бұрын

You have to remember These people have not change their thought process, actions or beliefs. Are these individuals willing to give back the land that was stolen?