Something that fascinates me is the way Demise describes his curse of hatred. The curse sets up a win-win situation for him: the reincarnates of Link and Zelda lose and he is revived and victorious, or they toil and suffer endlessly in their efforts to stop his hatred. But what’s fascinating is what part of it he places emphasis on: the suffering. Demise’s ideal win condition isn’t his revival and victory over the gods. It’s the perpetual suffering of the hero and the goddess reborn. For so long as Link and Zelda’s legend persists, Demise will be ever victorious, pyrrhic though that victory may be. The series’ very existence is a victory for Demise.

@pious83

Жыл бұрын

To think if SS Link had just skewered Demise in the head, ala his latter incarnations. The curse may have never been cast.

@YonaTubeHD

Жыл бұрын

​@@pious83"you should've gone for the head"

@KingofDragons

11 ай бұрын

@@pious83 Maybe thats why all future Link tend to aim for the head now.

@_Tzer

7 ай бұрын

"My hate, it never perishes it is born anew in a cycle with no end" he states this before afflicting the curse on link and zelda. meaning demise is implying he has been born anew before. hmm. considering the "has conquered time itself"

@Chris-gx1ei

5 ай бұрын

And knowing some textes from the Japanese, you can also see that Demise is doing this for the Demon Tribe, they apparently all act like one organism, as if Demise himself is not only the leader but the brain of them while they all are like a cell of a body, a part of something bigger, and if Demise fails, someone else will bring glory to the Demon Tribe

The thing that people forget about WW Ganondorf is that despite his maturity and self-reflection, he is still an unrepentant villain. Redemption is a three step process: realize you were in the wrong, feel bad about it and then do something about it. WW Ganondorf reached step 1, but I doubt he ever reached step 2, and he definitely didn't reach step 3. He had realized he was the bad guy, but he didn't care. He continued to be the Demon King because he still wanted Hyrule. In my opinion, his speech about the wind isn't some sign of remorse or self-justification; it's him telling Link why he does what he does because he thinks the kid deserves to know. When we look back at OoT, we see he doesn't improve the lives of the Gerudo when he takes over Hyrule, so we know that he was never motivated by the plight of his own people. He was always a jealous, selfish bastard.

@ptolemeeselenion1542

Жыл бұрын

He's an incarnation of pure cosmic evil. He will *never* repent, for as to repent meant to cease to exist, let alone to upset the metaphysical balance of Hyrule's world. Whether the protagonists like it or not, he's *necessary.*

@markcochrane9523

Жыл бұрын

@@ptolemeeselenion1542 "To repent meant to cease to exist" ah, but then he could still 'redeem' himself in the same way Darth Vader did, no? Not that I think he'd ever find the motivation to do so...

@ptolemeeselenion1542

Жыл бұрын

@@markcochrane9523 Vader is NOT pure evil. He's a human's ideological and psychological corruption of the Living Force's immune system response to the Sith and their attempts to meddle with the Dark Side at their will. Both the Dark Side and the Light are natural foundations needed to the all-encompassing tension of that body: the Dark Side is a river, the Light its riverbank, the galaxies and myriards worlds its valley. Both the Sith and the Republic Era Jedi bore a biased comprehension of the Force, along the former wanting to bend and twist the river at their limited, biased will. Anakin was a *response* . Vader was an _interpretation_ from said response. Vader was *not needed, only molded* . The Living Force didn't welcome the ghost of Vader under its bosom at the end of Return of The Jedi: only a redeemed Anakin attuned with his heart, for the heart when purified and absconded of the shroud of guilt, self-loathed, suffering and illusion are attuned to the living heartbeat of the Force. Conservely, Ganondorf is the living avatar of a mass of pure evil. As an avatar, he may understand accountability and even fathom to experience some guilt about it, but in truth could and would never upset his very core nature, for as everything he aspires for is ingrained into his very soul-- so to speak the essence of Ganon, the hand of Demise himself. Vader was a Christ-like figure who made himself Antechrist, for as in Lucas's (heavily Buddhist, Gnostic and Frank Herbert's Dune-influenced) view of religions, they were both sides of the same piece in much of the same manner that bodhisatvas and immortals may have less benevolent facets or avatars, and so does deities, demigods and rishis in Brahmanic religions. But Ganondorf is Mammon (Ganon)'s Antechrist, and Mammon a hand of the primordial cosmic evil that welcomed Satan/Lucifer (Groose and his presumptive mortal descendants, the corrupt half-Hylian-descended Gerudo race from whose he passed down his hatred, envy and jealousy toward Link and Zelda's past Skyloft Era Hylian incarnations to his all-female descendants, and eventually each incarnation of Ganondorf) into his bosom after his Fall from Heaven in "Paradise Lost" and the esoteric Judeo-Christian myths that influenced both this novel, the earlier Anglo-Saxon Bible, and likely the Islamic myth of Iblis's Fall as well. It's quite ironic, when you think about it, about how Star Wars which is supposed to be Arthurian lore, magic and Dune meeting the space opera fiction are more in tune with Oriental philosophies while being made by a Western author of fiction, when in the meantime Legend of Zelda with its heavily Shintoist, Buddhic, Brahmanic and Chinese Wuxia literary genre influences... remains in his core more inclined to Abrahamic (Judaism, Christianity, Catharism, Islam, Mandeism) and composite religions (Manicheism) myths.

@jonathanflanagan1504

Жыл бұрын

Regardless of how his actions turned out, it is still interesting that after being sealed for centuries, twice, he began to wonder why he wanted to conquer Hyrule in the first place. It gives an insight to how the hatred of Demise burning within him twisted his desires into pure evil.

@Cri_Jackal

Жыл бұрын

His WW speech seems to suggest that yes, he did want to conquer Hyrule for the sake of the Gerudo but, the temptation of the triforce, after he learned of it and how to obtain it, corrupted his intentions. He would've initially told himself that he would make a wish that would benefit the Gerudo, but the fact that the Triforce split in the first place when he touched it was stark proof that his heart had forsook that generosity.

The best part about this channel is that Vile Eye is an equal opportunity media enjoyer. Games, dramas, sci-fi, anime... just a guy with an incredible palate for media.

@IBigDickI

Жыл бұрын

Any villain from any kind of media is fair game for him. It's awesome.

@RohgishSun

Жыл бұрын

Well put. Very pleasantly accurate.

@SchizmKing

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.

@godsunknicks2832

Жыл бұрын

An incredible palate of evil.

@wattsnottaken1

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of myself…..the movie/tv loving part, and video games

Nintendo took the saying "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" to the highest level they could.

What's always interested me about Ganondorf is how his legacy has essentially defined Hyrule. Every person in the Zelda series has a giant Triforce shaped guillotine hanging over their head. Hyrule exists in a state of perpetual multigenerational conflict, a conflict so old that most Hyruleans have no idea where it started.

@F1areon

Жыл бұрын

Can't blame the people in Lorule for deciding to destroy theirs, given all this (not to mention despite how badly NOT having a Triforce went for them).

@ridleydidnothingwrong

10 ай бұрын

I'd love for demise's sword to be out there waiting for one of ganondorf's reincarnations to claim it. Doing essentially what zelda did with the master sword but inverted with evil rather than sacred light, it'd level the playing field or perhaps even tip the scales in ganon's favor.

@InvaderGIR98

7 ай бұрын

@@ridleydidnothingwrong That would be a good way to reintroduce Ghirahim too, since he seems to be the same kind of sword spirit that Fi is

Your theory for as to why Calamity Ganon exists is actually stated in Breath of the Wild if you can snap a picture of the "cocoon" he emerges from before fighting him. I'm paraphrasing, but it says that Ganon abandoned his body and attempted to make a new physical form for himself, but was interrupted by Link at the end of BotW. So you're pretty much right. His power seeped out over time and basically made a quasi-mindless "Phantom Ganon" on steroids.

@fissilewhistle

Жыл бұрын

The fact that Calamity Ganon, a world-ending threat, is just a shadow of a sealed-away Ganondorf’s power is insane. What’s even more insane is that Link beat Ganondorf at full strength by himself. Makes you wonder how the Guardian army ever managed to kill him.

@nullvoid7188

Жыл бұрын

​@@fissilewhistlewouldn't say by himself perse. Got a juiced up master sword thanks to zelda, and some pretty op holy power albeit temporarily thanks to raurus arm.

@mjc0961

Жыл бұрын

​@@fissilewhistle Makes me wonder how Ganondorf so easily defeats Link and breaks the Master Sword at the start of the game, but then is so weak and easily felled by the Master Sword at the end of the game. I mean, the real reason is obvious: because video game. They needed an excuse for why Link is starting all over at 3 hearts, 1 stamina wheel, and no Master Sword. I still wish the final fights would have acknowledged the Master Sword if you walk in with it. It almost feels like the "canon" thing is that Link doesn't get it back until Ganondorf becomes a dragon. I dunno. It's weird and will always bother me somewhat.

@brinetgehe

Жыл бұрын

I've been thinking about that, did the master sword get weaker after beating calamity ganon? Did neither Zelda or link notice? If not then how come TOTK Ganondorf manage to break the sword when all previous Ganons couldn't including Demise?

@leedlelel2373

Жыл бұрын

@@mjc0961 i think you forgot that zelda imbued the sword with light power for like 40 thousand years or so

Theory: So in the backstory cutscene, it says the goddesses created the world out of chaos, so what if Demise already rules over the world, but the goddesses ripped it away from him when they made the land we know as Hyrule. After this, his hatred grows. Thus why he desires to rule the world, he wants his land back

@lightdarksoul2097

Ай бұрын

I think more that this planet itself was demise. A ball of chaos which the goddesses basically made their own. Remember demise came from within the planet so he was there this whole time. That could be where the anger part comes from. To see himself basically sealed and the goddesses creatures on a world he sees as his own. Then there was the losses he took in which only helped his anger

Ganondorf’s character entry in TOTK actually tells you how Calamity Ganon was born, it says that the seal on him began to lose strength a century ago, which is when the calamity happened

@katmannsson

Жыл бұрын

that was not the first Calamity that was just "The Calamity" and I feel like this distinction is important, Impa implied that this Kingdom of hyrule has dealt with *multiple* Calamities "the history of Hyrule, is the History of Calamity Ganon" not to mention the Calamity 10,000 years ago for which the Guardians and Divine Beasts were successfully employed

@pancakes8670

Жыл бұрын

Zelda theorists have been unanimously agreeing for a long time now that the Gloom (we called it Malice back then) seeping out of Ganondorfs Chest is what created the Calamity, building up over time and unleashing it out into open Hyrule.

@captainpep3

Жыл бұрын

@@pancakes8670 so is it fair to say that malice is like a weaker form of gloom? That would make sense as malice just hurts link where gloom does lasting damage if not healed

@lovesgibson

Жыл бұрын

@@katmannssonI think that’s the same one… hasnt ganondorf been down there for like 20,000 years?

@CheeseOfString

Жыл бұрын

It's possible that TOTK Ganondorf is the OG Ganon, and that all the other forms are incarnations of his hatred. That would place the past portion of TOTK as the first in the series chronologically and the future part as the last

My favorite version of Ganondorf is Wind Waker. There's a part, at the end, when he realizes what he wanted at the start, but the lust for power and Demise's curse drove him to full-blown evil. It's even possible that all versions of Ganondorf started good, but Demise's Curse eventually triggered and started guiding their actions. And his final words, to me, can be interpreted as Demise's Curse leaving as Ganondorf was no longer a useful tool for its goal, and he returns to being the Gerudo King that wanted something better for his people.

@markcochrane9523

Жыл бұрын

I disagree about "starting good" and "wanting something better for his people", but you definitely got one thing right: the curse left him at the end of WW. He wanted Hyrule from the very start, and if there is no Hyrule, then the curse has no power over him.

@nintendo_pirate

Жыл бұрын

lol no, dude was an evil old bastard kidnapping random kids on the off chance that they might be zelda.

@retorikhal

Жыл бұрын

wind waker ganondorf has always been my fav version, hes so interesting and fun to think about

@mray4784

Жыл бұрын

Nah, he was always evil.

@TheDeadmanstrolling

Жыл бұрын

Ganondorf never started good, though. Even in WW when talking about his motivation, he only says he coveted that wind. He made no mention whatsoever of wanting to help his people - he wanted the good life for himself. In OoT, after getting the Triforce of Power, he brainwashed the Gerudo and left them in the cruel desert, instead of giving them Hyrule that he had just conquered. And in WW, when he assembles the full Triforce, he yelled to the heavens, "Give Hyrule to me!!!" No mention of making things better for what's left of the Gerudo. No Ganondorf was ever good. Even in TotK, the ancient Gerudo Sage makes mention of how he was conquering the last free tribes of the Gerudo. He was a tyrant king.

48:14 A minor correction, in the Oracle games the reason why Ganon is revived as a mindless beast is because his resurrection ritual was interrupted by Link. Had Twinrova been able to successfully sacrifice Zelda’s body and soul to revive Ganon he would have been brought back complete, but since Link defeats Twinrova before they complete the ritual, Twinrova is forced to offer up their own body as the sacrifice. This results in Ganon’s botched revival as a mindless monster. This is also most likely why Yuga was so easily able to override Ganon’s mind and steal his power when they fused, Ganon‘s body and power were still separated from his mind so Yuga would’ve faced no resistance in supplanting Ganon’s will. None of this is to say that your theory is wrong, Demise’s curse may have also been deteriorating the remaining vestiges of Ganondorf’s mind, but there is a stated in game reason for OOA/OOS Ganon’s mindless state. Though, in a roundabout manner you are correct, if Ganon’s minions weren’t still trying to enact his hateful will he never would’ve met with such a terrible fate.

@Virtualsinner

Жыл бұрын

"minor"

@notjoshgroban

Жыл бұрын

​@@Virtualsinner he's right tho

@carljohansson3512

Жыл бұрын

I believe that Ganon's instincts would still make refuse someone like Yuga but the reason he accepted Yuga is perhaps because of a combination of his mindless state and because he saw something very familiar in the Lorulean. In the first battle against Yuga Ganon's ALTTP battle theme plays in reverse and Yuga shares many similar characteristics of Ganondorf which seems to imply that he is Ganondorf's Lorulean counterpart.

@jacobydefense6432

Жыл бұрын

@@carljohansson3512 It's possible that Yuga is Lorule's Ganondorf but Yuganon is not actually a legitimate merger of the two, it's simply Yuga possessing Ganon's body and magic.

@nahor88

4 ай бұрын

Speaking of Twinrova, it's pronounced "Ko-tah-kay", not "ko-take"... I cringed every time.

39:41 There is an explanation for what Calamity Ganon was in the game, albeit not central to the plot: "The Calamity was the Demon King of aincent times, bought back to existence in the form of hatred manifest" -Impa "He was imprisoned beneath Hyrule Castle for ages, but the magic holding him weakened when the castle was damaged during the Calamity a century ago, and his power has steadily been growing since. Now he has revived as a threat beyond the knowledge of any" -Ganondorf Character Bio

@MagicMan3K

Жыл бұрын

Weird how people just throw out the literal text of "he got tired of reincarnating, so now he's just mad" at the end. Like, this is FAR into the future of Skyward Sword, a timeline where all timelines clash and merge into BotW/TotK. Having not played TotK yet, BotW makes great sense as to why Ganondorf was abandoned and Calamity Ganon was born instead. Like Evil Eye suggests though, some major tear into time/space broke their souls. This gives credit as to why Zelda couldn't use her magic until it was too late. Why Link was too weak to stop Calamity Ganon. And why Calamity Ganon came out of the gate from the get go. With how TotK fits (before/)after is unknown to me but seeing as how it was marketed as a sequel then it's safe to assume Ganondorf's soul was fixed to some degree and probably even bolstered with whatever item he gets from the new race. A race who we've possibly seen before (in TP, that weird chicken to some degree) but in a different timeline from when they didn't exist, or slightly did (reference to the TP comment, "same" vibes from the floating dungeon.)

@Crusty783

Жыл бұрын

@@MagicMan3K giving up on reincarnation was a translation error. the original japanese text ironically implies the exact opposite. "this form is born from his obsession with reincarnation" although it doesnt matter much because he dies straight after anyways, and the source of the hatred that fuels him would never end up recreating him afterwards anyway

@GribbleGob

Жыл бұрын

@@MagicMan3K lmao where did you get the timelines merging thing? it literally makes no fucking sense in any way. not every game needs to be a timeline. games can just be self contained. TOTK literally can't be at the end of a timeline because it rewrites what Skyward Sword's ending implied.

@camerons241

Жыл бұрын

​@@GribbleGob The developers said that the game takes place at the end of every timeline. If it takes place at the end of every timeline, that means that each timeline leads to same conclusion. Therefore they merge. They start at one point, diverge, and then come together at the end like some sort of triple helix.

@Tabulatelk15

Жыл бұрын

@@camerons241 no, they said it was up to the player. they didn't say it was at the end of all of them. it is at the end of one of them.

I really like what they did with ganon(dorf), he started out as some stock villain with no real story or a basic story in each game, but the story of why its the same guy over and over and over again was a stroke of genius. He's the reincarnation of an evil god and the constant battles between ganon vs link and zelda is this long running battle of the gods being played out in mortal form. I love it.

@JuwanBuchanan

Жыл бұрын

It also raises questions why the Golden Goddesses the most powerful beings in Zelda doesn’t do anything to stop the endless cycle. Maybe they can’t or maybe they enjoy watching this endless game play out for their enjoyment like a movie just to see what happens.

@ridleydidnothingwrong

10 ай бұрын

​@@JuwanBuchananfrom what I remember of skyward sword they found demise and the demons beneath the world at the dawn of creation and what phi tells you indicates he's outside of their dominion entirely. My guess is demise's curse is only to reincarnate ganon. The goddesses probably do the work to make sure there's a link and zelda any time he crops back up.

I really like the idea I read somewhere that there was a sort of Nexus event throughout the 3 timelines, a sort of inter dimensional Bronze Age Collapse, where everything went so badly the world went back centuries; so back, in fact, that it took so much time for it to get back into shape the three timelines fuse into a single one. This would tie the new games with all of the Zelda timeline, giving us a single timeline, and explains the more tribal and primitive look that Sonia has (which could be an indicator of these Post-Nexus Hylians being very tecnologically behind their ancestors)

@PhillyCh3zSt3ak

Жыл бұрын

The closest correlation would be something akin to what we've seen in many of our myths on top of film involving disasters. For example, Noah's Ark is one of many flood legends/myths that existed in all iterations of civilization in the Middle East and the surrounding areas (the Babylonians for example have their own twist on the same events). In the same way we have in our IRL world 3 different scenarios that could play out: a supermassive solar flare that 86s all of tech and we're forced to rebuild at some point, the Yellowstone supervolcano erupting and causing another ice age, and large meteorite impacts. All three of them would cause mass extinction on various levels. Who's to say some timeline shenanigan-type things couldn't have had the same effect where we got this merge event while also wiping out mass swaths of the populations affected.

@crazyspacegames9118

Жыл бұрын

@@PhillyCh3zSt3ak I’ve been thinking about this for a while now. It confused me that Rauru and Sonia are established as being the founders of hyrule, despite their era being very clearly in the future of the timeline. People tend to discount hyrule warriors as being non-canon, but it really is the best contender for explaining the merging of the timelines. If, in the aftermath of the timelines crossing over, the rifts in space time tore back open and forced a merge, an event like that would be enough to completely reset the technological state of all Hyrule. The three timelines would effectively experience a synchronized near-apocalypse, resulting in a singular post-merge reality. It would explain on some level how Sonia could possess the power of the sage of time, something that is very explicitly an ability of the blood of the goddess, as she would be a descendant of the now merged royal bloodline, where such power would be in much higher concentration. It also offers an explanation for the extreme increase in Ganon’s power. Demise’s perpetuated hatred must grow stronger with each defeat. With three separate timelines worth of that hatred accumulated, it’s only natural that Ganondorf would appear in his most powerful incarnation. Once he acquires the secret stone, Ganondorf takes a form strikingly like Demise, and assumes his title. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

@_Tzer

7 ай бұрын

i just got some dragonbreak from elder scrolls vibes.

I swear Ganondorf is the greatest villain in gaming. The man is so powerful, so coniving, so compelling, pure EVIL, and overall a perfect fit for the series

@ptolemeeselenion1542

Жыл бұрын

Every single greatest villain in any piece of fiction always happens to be an Expy Setian/Typhonian or downright Expy Satanic figure.

@t-god2439

Жыл бұрын

Yet never wins 😂

@t-god2439

Жыл бұрын

He does make me wonder tho how link isn’t more powerful. This man knows everything. And in most games I feel like we only get a drip of what he knows. Magic, weapons, knowledge, even power. Yet somehow win with just courage

@Ese1Pac

Жыл бұрын

@@t-god2439 arrogance

@Udai_taxim

Жыл бұрын

@@t-god2439 have you checked out the Zelda timelines?

I'm glad my observations were valuable to you. A few more things to consider, first is the Asian Mythology from which Ganandorf's creators are raised by. Asura, beings that were originally Good and were corrupted into monsters. A God of Evil. Which Ganondorf can be considered. And even if it cannot be applied to Ganon or the Curse of Demise, it can be applied to the Triforce of Power. There's also the official word from Nintendo about Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom. Which is that it is the end of ALL timelines. Meaning every Ganondorf becomes that. And I think I understand how. The Triforce can warp reality, it can shift and alter time itself. And timelines most likely. So ALL forms of Ganondorf come together to form this new one. It also explains why the ancient history is so fragmented and forgotten. A long period of time or not, they were all in time periods were recordkeeping and large structure building were common. Meaning that there would be more proof, if things weren't possibly altered via time manipulation. It also explains why aspects from mutually exclusive timelines are all together. Koroks and Rito are mutually exclusive with the Zora after all. But they exist in the same land. So of course there would be an alteration.

@leafyguy2039

Жыл бұрын

U did samus dirty

@Phantom86d

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I was thinking that the timelines were merged.

@parkerorosz9352

Жыл бұрын

I actually had the exact same thoughts. I personally think the event that destroyed Hyrule was an event that merged all the timelines together. That is why Zelda, link, and ganondorf didn't appear for a long time due to the Kingdom being so utterly ravaged that the curse of the demise didn't affect the land of Hyrule anymore. How can the curse affect the kingdom of Hyrule if there is no kingdom of Hyrule for it to affect?

@MagicalMaster

Жыл бұрын

@@parkerorosz9352 An excellent point, in a HUGE amount of mythology curses are gotten around through technical details screwing things over, and they come back due to much the same thing.

@javiervasquez625

Жыл бұрын

​@@MagicalMaster I've heard from someone that the reason why Zelda carries the Triforce within her person in the Era of the Wild is because the Goddesses (and Nintendo) have deemed it time for History to "soft reboot" itself so that the battles of old may be waged again albeit under different circumstances which no longer revolve around the possession of the Triforce but rather the very souls of individuals who's "spiritual power" can be augmented and channeled as seen through the many Champions and Sages who all possess a strong spirit which they use to channel and control powerful relics such as the 7 Zonai Tears and the 4 Divine Beasts.

I really can't help but wonder how Ganondorf would react if he found out he was once Demise.

@ayrahn7893

Жыл бұрын

He wasn’t tho.

@sentii8131

Жыл бұрын

@@ayrahn7893 objectively was, Demise and Ganon are denominations of the same thing

@ayrahn7893

Жыл бұрын

@@sentii8131 except they’re not. The notion they’re incarnations of a singular being is apocryphal misinterpretation of the nature of Demise, the demon tribe, and what the “curse” even is due to a somewhat shoddy localization team. Demise is killed twice over at the end of the Skyward Sword, once by the Triforce, and again in the past by having his essence absorbed by into the Master Sword, where it’s explicitly stated it will deteriorate. His speech was also less of a curse and vow of revenge, and more of a warning that as long as Evil, of which Demise is but a shallow facet of, exists, those like him will forever haunt the world. Demise the person is gone forever and isn’t actively controlling anyone via a universal curse from beyond the veil. The thing we fight at the end of SS is a mere facet of platonic evil itself, which is something that exists in the hearts of all beings. Ganondorf is an “incarnation” of primal evil and hatred because he became one by cultivating the evil and hatred in his own heart, same as Vaati and most of the other villains in the series, he just happens to be the most effective successor to Demise.

@jaloniwilson

Жыл бұрын

He wouldnt react because botw/totk are no longer on the same timeline as the other zeldas. Its a reboot of the franchise. There is no continuity.

@thehawk8332

Жыл бұрын

​@@jaloniwilsonsource?

Wind Waker's Ganondorf is a step above some of the other incarnations in my opinion. We can track his story from the beginning of Ocarina of Time, where we learn he was a power-hungry and conniving ruler, but one that still came from a place of wanting to do right by his people. It's just that his desires were magnified and corrupted by Demise's curse. But his moments of actual rule were brief and violent compared to his imprisonment. Just 7 years of rule during the events of Ocarina of Time, followed by an indefinite amount of time banished outside of Hyrule, until his return and subsequent rage-fueled rampage in a world that no longer had a hero. Which was then quickly swallowed up by the Goddesses' flood. Then came hundreds of years of more imprisonment before finally enacting his last-ditch effort to regain the Triforce during the events of Wind Waker. The King of Hyrule had suffered a similar fate, banished under the water in a timeline abandoned by the Goddesses, but had used that time to learn humility and resolved to help Link and Tetra build a new kingdom. Ganondorf only stews in his hatred over those years and continues to plot, even when there's hardly anything left to rule. It's a pattern of relentless pursuit of control, even with diminishing returns. He directly addresses his own selfishness in his last monologue in Wind Waker, but still chooses the path of evil, because there is nothing left for him besides clinging on to this dim hope that he can regain the fleeting power he once held. It's a really interesting arc from noble intentions and ambition to cruelty and malice, to eventual acceptance of his evil and fatalism. Without the influence of Demise, he might have been a champion of his people.

@transcendentsacredcourage

Жыл бұрын

This is very well written. Bravo!🏆

In ToTK I feel like Demise is the Blood Moon. It persisted even while ganondorfs body laid dormant.

I’m actually excited to play Tears of the Kingdom especially hearing Matt Mercer as Ganondorf. Now that’s gonna be badass

@gamerstheater1187

Жыл бұрын

Levi is Ganondorf?!

@F1areon

Жыл бұрын

@@gamerstheater1187 Jotaro-dorf.

@NenMagem9106

9 ай бұрын

​@@F1areon Link! (...) I can't beat the shit out of you without getting closer... (...)

To me there is something inherently tragic about Ganon in really all incarnations stemming from Demise onward, and honestly with Zelda and Link too. They are three people who had their fates decided upon so many eons ago and depending on the game/timeline people in their current age may not even believe that the stories of their history are real. There is something honestly a little miserable about all three of them. In Breath of the Wild we see that very starkly with Zelda, who buckles under the immense pressure of being the literal avatar of a god and how she wants to live her life in her own terms without that destiny pre-determining what must happen to her. In some ways it feels like even being named Zelda is a curse for any princess of Hyrule, like it's a bad omen of what their future could be. It's made canon in Breath of the Wild (and presumably Tears of the Kingdom) that Link was once a normal happy child (based on Mipha's recollections of him) who grew into being *selectively mute* due to the pressures of what his role became. It's been noted that the Link we play as seems to be much less weighed down by this, he's still selectively mute but appears more at ease in himself than what we saw in cut scenes and read in Zelda's diary. In Tears of the Kingdom it seems even Zelda had enjoyed some sense of freedom she simply didn't have before the destruction of Hyrule. She was able to pursue the things we saw her being passionate about in Breath of the Wild, exploring this new Hyrule and studying it in ways the restrictions of her role as princess and avatar of Hylia didn't allow. Ganon, no matter how sympathetic his motivations are (like in Windwaker), seems destined to become essentially a madman. In Breath of the Wild the spirit of Urbosa speaks to her divine beast about how legends say Calamity Ganon once took the form of a Gerudo man and how she (and presumably all of the Gerudo) find this insulting and she considers her part in defeating Calamity Ganon to be some just revenge for him having used her people in the distant past. Her divine beast is even named Vah Naboris, playing off Nabooru from Ocarina of Time who you mentioned was later used by Ganondorf. In BOTW I think she was referring to Ocarina Ganondorf as the details of TOTK weren't really set, but with TOTK I think it could be retconned to her speaking about the man we see in that game. But either way we get a previous Gerudo chief who is vocally rejecting Ganon's involvement with the Gerudo and we can assume this is a sentiment shared by the others. The memory that his own people have of him is not a positive one, he isn't welcomed by them by the time these games take place and is seen as a disgrace to the Gerudo. Even if his initial goals may be seen as for the betterment of his people, he always devolves into madness and cruelty. It seems, much like Link and Zelda, no matter what Ganon the man strives for he is doomed by Demise's curse. I know a lot of the themes for this game series as a whole involves goodness overcoming evil, but I can't help but feel there's an element of tragedy to the characters.

@ayrahn7893

Жыл бұрын

Ganondorf isn’t cursed to be anything. Too many people in this fandom legitimately believe in made up shit that isn’t even in the text.

@jeddgangman4502

Жыл бұрын

@@ayrahn7893 have you played skyward sword in that game demise curses himself and link and zelda that binds them together this isn't made up literally right in the games

@ayrahn7893

Жыл бұрын

@@jeddgangman4502 I’ve played SS five times. And no, he doesn’t curse himself or anyone else, at least not literally. Demise warns Link that what he represents (Evil) and what he lords over (The Demon Tribe) will NEVER cease to exist. Here’s his actual speech unmolested by the NA localization team, most likely some of the same ones who thought it pertinent to turn a dude in BOTW into a pedophile. “Human! You strong human who has been able to overcome me!!…That was splendid. But remember, this is not over… My hatred... The curse of the Demon Tribe... It shall go on continuously reincarnating across the flow of time… Never forget this! This will happen again!! You... You who possess the blood of the goddess and the soul of hero shall...forever be unable to escape from this curse! This hatred and grudge...its incarnations shall go on strugglingly wandering along with you lowlifes within a dark sea stained with your blood, forever!!” The Demon tribe is the only thing reincarnating here. No mention of “I will rise again.” Evil is the crux of this whole thing. Those who are evil and wish to dominate life, things like Demise, will always come back in some form to haunt the world, and those who have the spirit to stand against them, I.e. The Royal Family and the numerous Heroes, will forever have to fight against it. What’s 100% made up is the notion that Ganondorf is some hapless victim of forces of nature who was possessed and forced to commit evil against his will. He’s NOT tragic. Even the so called “nicest” version of him from Wind Waker still killed women and children, and attempted to kill two more during his final moments. Even if Ganondorf was the literal physical manifestation of Demise’s hatred/evil, he’s not cursed, he IS the curse and 100% autonomous.

@rayzas4885

Жыл бұрын

Only SS zelda was the avatar of hylia. Ganondorf would still be an arrogant and greedy man just based on his upbringing and the culture that surrounded him. He wants to rule over a mighty empire, not just a small kingdom stuck in a desert. He reminds me more of Ghengis Khan or any other turco mongol conqueror who conquered because they could

@transcendentsacredcourage

Жыл бұрын

This is outstanding. I haven't thought of this that way; Link, Zelda and Ganondorf are basically suffering without them knowing it. Here's to you, champ! 👑🏆

Tears of the kingdom and breath of the wild are similar to Skyward sword. Both imprisoned evils manifest a beast-like form when the seal weakness due to the build up of evil power but yet only can manifest a beast like nearly mindless form. Yet due to the intervention of both the hero and reincarnation of hylia, they ultimately free the evil even if unintentionally. Also demise and TOTK demon king ganondorf not only have similar hair but also the size and similar texture/color palette for their full powered forms.

@sykune

Жыл бұрын

Well they were all written by the same person

I would really love to see an analyzing evil on majoras mask. I always found it an interesting boss.

@lightdarksoul2097

13 күн бұрын

The mask is much like an ai that was made to be evil does that make the mask evil or the people that made it was evil and th mask had no choice? Who can say

If ToTK was after Wind Waker, it makes a lot of sense. The salt rock deposits are said to be from a great sea, giving evidence the land was once submerged, and the fact that the Rito exist at all since they were created as evolutions of the Zora to be able to fly over the turbulent ocean. It even makes sense as to why Ganondorf seems to just want to kill everything rather than just simply rule in this incarnation. After the events of Wind Waker when his goal was building a world for him and his people, he embraces that nihilistic destructive side and goes completely back to his roots in Demise in action and appearance alike after failing in this new incarnation. Even in his final action where he essentially commits suicide in order to destroy, getting rid of his consciousness by becoming the dragon because his spite is so strong.

An important thing to note is that Twilight Princess already mentioned that Hyrule was founded by a sky civilization, one that built the City in the Sky and eventually became the Oocca tribe. I have to conclude that the Zonai are that same tribe and that BotW/TotK Hyrule is the same Hyrule from the rest of the series. It is possible that TotK Ganondorf is the first reincarnation of Demise and has managed to reincarnate into OoT Ganondorf despite not technically being dead.

From what I recall the Ganon(dorf) in Four Swords Adventures is an entirely separate being from the OOT one, it’s a new incarnation from every other one we ever meet

Watching this while playing Tears of the kingdom, your videos are amazing! Could you cover Sephiroth next? The original FF7 and the Remake game make him very interesting to look into.

7:05 ALTTP’s Ganon was also more humble than the others. When you fight him, he acknowledges Link’s prowess multiple times.

That man is the most optimistic, wholehearted, intellectual I've seen all day.

I swear Vile, I've watched that Ganon video a good handful of times, never would I have thought you'd remaster it. This was a great gift after a long day of work, thank you sir

27:19 I’ve never noticed this slight pause between “I” and “coveted” but it adds so much more depth to that line. Like he’s only now realizing what he was truly after at that time.

My favorite thing about his videos is how the voice over at the beginning is always timed perfectly with the beginning speech of a character related to the video. Always gives me a good chuckle

YES!, He's one of the best gaming villains of all time. Thank you so much for making this.👍

@ptolemeeselenion1542

Жыл бұрын

Every single greatest villain in any piece of fiction always happens to be an Expy Setian/Typhonian or downright Expy Satanic figure.

@NeoGeo2006

Жыл бұрын

You said it Monsieur

The imprisoning war takes place long before the breath of the wilds and long before the documented clamity ganon appearance. The history impa speaks of takes place after Hyrule has been already built and all the races had coexisted. Also ganondorf being imprisoned means that no gerodo male can be born due to one stil alive. This also means another incarnation of demise can't be born either due to his incarnation being imprisoned\alive as well. Thus calamity Ganon is similar to demise imprisoned form.

Suggestion Analyzing Evil: The Patriots from Metal Gear Saga

@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw

Жыл бұрын

THIS THIS THIS. or just make it about Major Zero!

@javiervasquez625

Жыл бұрын

They aren't evil they just follow their preprogrammed commands given by a frail oldman too desperate to keep Humanity in check beyond the grave to the point of creating artificial intelligence focused on the one purpose of regulating the mess that is Humanity to prevent another catastrophe like Operation Snake Eater from happening again.

I watched the videos a few weeks back and am still glad to rewatch. There is so much to the lore behind Ganon/Dorf that I feel it's necessary to get a refresher every now and again. He truly is Darkness incarnate. Ganon will go down in history as one of the greatest forces of evil in fantasy history

Analyzing Evil: The Fabrication Machine aka B.R.A.I.N (from the Movie „9“)

Actually the Speech of Ganondorf's Fake-Zelda-Puppet after confronting her in Hyrule Castle confirms that Ganondorf was infact fully controlling Calamity Ganon - and that his conciousness was inside of Calamity Ganon, meaning he nof only created a Being of pure manifested hatred, his spirit managed to escape from the seal of Rauru and regain a new physical form

To support what you theorized about how Calamity Ganon fits in with Ganondorf, I would like to call attention to the profile for Ganondorf in TotK. It is added after the final boss, and directly mentions how the battle with Calamity Ganon weakened Rauru’s seal on Ganondorf. So Calamity Ganon being a leakage of Ganondorf’s power makes a lot of sense. While maybe not a direct plan of his, since he was sealed away, his power probably instinctively wanted to break the seal on his greater self. Which it did. Also, since most of TotK section on Ganondorf was speculating where on the timeline it was, I wanted to point out some characteristics I noticed of this Ganondorf. Like you theorized, this Ganondorf seems to be a completely new incarnation that has no knowledge on the hero or the master sword until Rauru makes mention of it before his imprisonment. As such, when he breaks it at the beginning of the game, he assumes that’s all Link and the sword are capable of. His arrogance seems to be in full sway here as well, but to be fair, he seems significantly more powerful than he’s ever been. Using your theory, it’s possible this is because he innately has the Triforce of Power within him as well as the power amplifier that is the Secret Stone. Because of this absolute dominating power he has, he is rightfully confident that nothing could stop him. I think his ultimate downfall is underestimating someone with time magic. Even then, he learns from her actions and (spoiler alert for final boss) does the same thing she did and turned into a dragon. If you read all that, hope you enjoyed ❤

The calamity is to Ganondorf essentially what the Imprisoned is to Demise

@Yokai_Yuri

Жыл бұрын

Maybe, but I have always thought Calamity Ganon is just more concentrated malice that somehow takes the form of ganon although incomplete. As we know malice was seeping out from Ganondorf chest. So even in his sealed state he was creating an army of monsters, changing the climate and so on.

@danielwisniewski6962

Жыл бұрын

So simple, yet so smart

I’m sure you’ve had this requested a million times but you should really do a video on Berserk as a whole. Evil is an intangible yet unstoppable force in that story that I feel fits PERFECTLY with this channel and it’s theme

@capitanjulietti3436

Жыл бұрын

So, a video on the idea of Evil?

@javiervasquez625

Жыл бұрын

¿Isn't Idea of Evil no longer canon though? As i understand it Miura chose to retcon the chapter where Idea of Evil shows up as it gave away too much of what the ending of Berserk was going to be forcing him to remove him entirely from canon. I don't know how that affects the current storyline but i'm sure that to Miura Idea of Evil was not as important as he originally planned for it to be.

@rdc4461

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@javiervasquez625 I think some aspects of it are canon but Miura probably wanted to change it or thought he just introduced it too early

@kindlingking

Жыл бұрын

​@@javiervasquez625 Miura never retconned anything, he just took that chapter away from future physical releases of the manga, because, as you mentioned, it spoiled too much of Berserk's endgame. And looking back at it, yeah, it absolutely did, he was right, but I think there were no way to go back by that point (that chapter is so crutial to our understanding of Berserk's cosmology and Griffith's character post eclipse it's invaluable) and he should've left everything as it was. That being said, The Idea of Evil is still canon and is still important, it's just that it's "official" debut would be (or at least was supposed to before...you know) much much later. It's also an incredibly interesting concept in itself, so it's never a waste to discuss it.

This is honestly Wind Waker is a great step for Gannondorf’s character. At this point he has had a lot of time to reflect and he is a sad old man who has realized his past atrocities.

One thing to note about the term "demon king", it's not new to ganondorf in totk, it has always been his title since the beginning of the series. It is sort of generic term of any great evil king in japanese, and to my knowledge started being used in japanese culture when oda nobunaga started his conquest of the warring states in japan, who apparently called himself the demon king of the sixth heaven or dairokuten-maou, a buddhist reference since he notoriously didn't like buddhism's rise in japan at the time. This theming around him made it easy for fantastical depictions of that history to portray him as a literal demon king, since in shinto tradition any one man can become a demon if they commit enough evil deeds or have a sufficiently evil mind or thoughts, so naming a character a "demon king/maou" or even a "great demon king/daimaou" is an easy narrative way to imply that they house such great, unconditional, unredeemable evil that must be defeated. So you'll see such term being used quite often in japanese media even to refer to characters that aren't literal demons, you'll see those very commonly in traditional stories with clear morality that came to be in the 80's like the demon kings in dragon quest, dracula in castlevania, ganon in zelda 1, piccolo in the original dragon ball and the future stories inspired by that tradition. In the west the term has been translated or localized in many different ways, like great king of evil, dark lord, demon lord, devil king, evil king, lord of darkness, prince of darkness, but it all really refers to the same thing. All of that variation comes from how the conception of demon varies from culture to culture I think, so trying to look for a term in english that holds all the same meaning and cultural baggage behind daimaou can be quite difficult.

@sb6196

Жыл бұрын

One thing I found really cool is his final form in totk is called demon dragon not dragon ganon or anything like that. It shows that he has lost any semblance of himself and fully become a demon king.

@hallwaerd

Жыл бұрын

This is a good comment, thanks for teaching me a neat culture/language thing

I love the diversity of this channel from villians in games, movies, tv, and literature

This how I found your channel and been a fan every since. My hubby is playing TOTK rn while I listen to this.

I think that botw/totk is set in the Windwaker timeline because you can dig up rock salt at pretty much any location in Hyrule. You only get underground salt like that in places that were covered by water. (Something referenced in the item description itself). That means that all of Hyrule was at some point covered in a single vast sea like in Windwaker.

@mercianthane2503

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, it's just a good reference for fans to say: "Aha! That is a nod to Wind Waker". Don't jump into conclusions in a game where the major highlight is gameplay.

I've always wanted to know more about Ganondorf, he looks really interesting! I've seen some things here and there of course but nothing like a Vile Eye close look!!!

I love your indrotuction man! "Hello everyone" perfect timing everytime! 😊😊 Do AFO next!

Your explaination of the potential behind this Kingdom of Hyrule being some future rebuilding makes the most sense. This has been driving me up the wall now since the game came out and we saw the memories of Raoru and co. and him being heralded as the founder of Hyrule alongside Sonia yet Ganondorf still considered the Demon King.

My only question about all of these dark lord villains is what will they do after they conquer the world? I'm trying to imagine Gannondorf sitting in a throne room surrounded by advisors trying to manage out day to day life

@ahealthkit2745

Жыл бұрын

They don't usually get the opportunity, because they wax poetically during the final battle and let themselves die.

@enforcerridley158

Жыл бұрын

@@ahealthkit2745 Same with dictators throughout history: they just want to rule. Pride and Greed get the better of them and they don't really do anything to lead and improve the lives of their people, so they rule with fear, to stomp out those that oppose them, and keep their people oppressed, and the people they rule over suffer as a result, however, so too does the dictator as they become more and more paranoid as time goes on in fear of losing their power.

It's interesting to theorise why Ganondorf is absent from the land of Termina/Majora's Mask. A land that has no (living) royal family or courageous Swordsman of it's own. That he wouldn't exist without them.

@Te.legram_____TheVileEye

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching, awesome prize 🎁 await you 🎉

It's so cool that you not only read the comments through, and their arguments. But you incorporate their points in your videos, and reflect on them. I didn't know you prior to this video, but you clearly make quality content, with input from your community. Very nice! I feel that the new Ganondorf is a great return of the original all evil demon king from Oot, twilight and so on. But I also feel that he does have some aspect of sympathy like that of the Wind Waker Ganondorf. Not that the totk Ganon has good intentions. But it did seem like the Gerudo was with him in his quest to overthrow hyrule. And there is a scene right before the final battle with him, when he juices up. He explains that he will "reshape this world as it was meant to be", crush opposition and rule, like a king must do. It's like he has a twisted ideology, but he has a noble approach. Like his focus is more on his duty as the king of evil, rather than the idea of obtaining absolute power. Much like the one in Wind Waker. Though he clearly also wishes to kill Link, and create chaos. "peace loving cowards"

One thing that needs to be kept in mind is that the magic in the Zelda universe is not fully fleshed out, so when it comes to Demise's hatred and the cycle/curse of rebirth, it could likely mean that he uses his magic to return in a way that best allows him to carry out such curse, I a way sparing his life force to try again and again until he succeeds.

ganndorf is one of the most well written and fleshed out video game villains ever …

Awesome work! Waitimg for Sephiroth!

I only played twilight princess and still remember that awesome sound track and a bottomless pit in the dessert. Killing three dark nuts at once! The color pallets watching tears of the kingdom just made a sale baby!

@christopherloyd8938

Жыл бұрын

I still have this game up to this day since I've been busy im pass the frost. Kingdom temple? Yeah I'm almost near the temple of time and the wind temple I even recorded it. On VHS I'm gonna Put it on DVD? 🤔So Gannon Final form combined himself with the Fire dragon it looks f****** wicked He is that evil.😎💯

I have to pause for a moment to point out a marker you can find in TOTK. It's along the secret passage between the castle and Lookout Landing. The marker indicates that the castle itself was built to keep Ganon sealed. The castle is decayed and falling to rubble, and that's the reason, I think, that Ganon was able to wake up and start making trouble.

@real_airgot

Жыл бұрын

That’s actually true because it states in Ganondorf’s bio that the reason he came back is because the castle was damaged during the Calamity so he spent 100 years regenerating his power

I can say how much I just purely enjoy this content and his voice so much with it

Morgoth wins literature; Palpatine wins cinema; Ganon wins gaming. Thought, though, for the tier list: if Demise is the embodiment of hatred and evil, responsible for the very existence of monsters, and so forth, doesn't that put him on the same level as Morgoth and The Judge (i.e., "Satan" characters who are the root of all evil in their universe)?

@mercianthane2503

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Demise is technically Satan. He is the king of the Demon Tribe.

@F1areon

Жыл бұрын

I'd say yes, but I imagine he mostly went w/ Ganondorf bc Demise is a fairly recent addition to Legend of Zelda in the grand scheme of things, whereas the 'Dorf has been around since the beginning of the franchise.

The Vile Eye, a channel whose content I thoroughly enjoy and delight in watching. Doing an analysis about a character from The Legend of Zelda, my most beloved franchise which has been a lifelong obsession of mine. It was actually the topic of discussion in my first ever conversation with the woman who is now my wife. We both absolutely adore The Legend of Zelda. I couldn't be any more excited to watch this.

Ganon is a top tier villain of gaming.

Though seemingly open to interpretation, I think I understand Demise's hatred and desire to rule. Look at how he describes most humans (or hylians) and is impressed by Link's unusual bravery. Demise is an immensely powerful and primordial being. Possibly as old as the gods and existed in some form before Hyrule's creation in the primordial chaos. Now imagine not only being disturbed by the creation of Hyrule, but having it be given to "weaker beings" would spark hatred. Even more so, when Hylia, a being whom could match his power would sacrifice herself to protect such "weaklings" from him. Demise is might makes right incarnate. He should rule creation because he is the mightiest of all (in his mind) who should not suffer lesser creatures. Yet also has some modicum of respect for those who do not cower and challenge him on his own terms. Also, personal fan theory, but I believe since Demise aImost absorbed Hylia/Zelda's divine power, he or rather later incarnations would the appropriate vessels for the Triforce Of Power. Especially given his and all iterations of Ganondorf's domineering personalities.

@voltricity1942

Жыл бұрын

i heard that in non-english translations of the game totk ganandorf has a similiar motivation. basiclly he thought that hyrule had lost it's strength and that they needed a strong leader to be brought to glory. you can get a slight glimpse of this in the english version where he says that hyrule shouldnt be ruled by "peace-loving cowards". would've been nice if they kept the rest of it in the english translation though

I would LOVE to see a video on Adrian Griffin from The Invisible Man. Minus the invisibility suit, he is a very realistic villain and it would be interesting to explore the very real-world depiction of evil that his character embodies.

I'm glad to see the first analysis of TOTK Ganondorf

With respect to Tears of the Kingdom, it's worth noting that the depths contain the gear of all of the past incarnations of Link. In BOTW, they were only accessible through amiibo. This time though, you can find "old maps" across the sky islands that will lead you to the pieces of previous Links. I've encountered Fierce Deity, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Zelda 1's armor sets in the depths. They're often in the deepest parts of the depths. I'd say that this canonizes them to the game. The Depths also has ruins that imply a people separate from the Zonai lived there a very, very long time ago. To me, some of the statues in the depths look like the models for races like the gorons and Zora that you see in previous games. The land is full of Poes, which we learn are wandering spirits of people lost to the world. Then there's the shadow creatures that offer Link Weapons as he traverses the depths. This land is full of signs that a past tragedy occurred in the old land of Hyrule. Something that killed a lot of people and buried their past civilization. Then, right on top of it you find Zonai constructions. Beneath every major landmark on the surface, you find a Zonai landmark in the depths dedicated to creating Zonai Tech. So the Zonai set up in locations relevant and familiar to the ancient lands of Hyrule and began developing and sharing their tech with its inhabitants. For all of this to be as deep in the Earth as it is, a truly insane passage of time should have occurred. So I agree that this is all very far future for Hyrule.

I saw a really cool and interesting retesting idea for the story of a future Zelda game, it would be really cool if at the beginning gannondoef would start as an almost righteous and normal king allied with hyrule, but eventually demises’ curse would come into effect and he would become the gannondorf we all know

@Te.legram_____TheVileEye

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching, awesome prize 🎁 await you 🎉🎉

Tears of the Kingdom Ganondorf is one of the best villains that I've ever seen in fiction

@Johnny.G.

10 ай бұрын

How come?

@Jeff-tt7wj

9 ай бұрын

Really? I thought he was the worst iteration of Ganondorf yet. He’s never been a very deep character, but this one had the least interestng backstory. He barely even had a backstory.

@Jpx0999

8 ай бұрын

​@@Jeff-tt7wjkinda the point... he is not supossed to have a deep backstory He is unnapologetic evil and thats it Thats why he is the demon king

an amazing remaster of some of your best videos

I HAVE BEEN STARVING FOR THESE KINDS OF VIDEOS SINCE 2017 THANK YOU

Amazing video! I suppose that Ganon of wind waker is a man whose power was sealed and thus allowed him to connect with his mortal self. His humanity begins to grow once his power is locked - perhaps that very power is the will of Demise. And thus to add to the previously talked about theory of how ganon grew as a person in wind waker - the humility of defeat - the power and madness locked away.. and what would one do besides becoming introspective

Would recommend Castlevania's Dracula or Steven Armstrong for a future video.

Beautiful work as always.

Keep doing what you're doing man, one of the best channels out there, certainly my go to. You absolutely have to do; Chris Moltisanti (The Sopranos) Ralf Cifaretto ( The Sopranos) Homelander (The Boys)

Love the idea of remastering your old videos!

Personally I don't think the curse of demise doesn't have as much control as people make it out to have. The curse only guarantees the eternal rise of evil, not something that turns people evil. I think Ganondorf would always be the evil power hungry man we know him as without the curse of demise, he just wouldn't be able to amass enough power to rise and bring ruin to hyrule. That's why we have plenty of stories where ganondorf and ganon aren't the incarnation of evil and there are other villains, like Vaati, or the villains from phantom hourglass and spirit tracks.

After finally playing Skyward Sword myself I came to a slightly different conclusion than most with "Demise's Curse". The way he says it makes me think that it wasn't his utterance of the curse that started it, but rather a collection of events prior. His hatred IS eternal. The spirit of the Hero WILL reincarnate. Zelda's descendants WILL possess the blood of the goddess. These three facts together created a cycle without Demise having to say it. Because of the events that led up to Skyward Sword, this was already set in motion

Just got way too excited seeing this on my feed, added to watch later so fast

This seems like a good place to put some of my recent thoughts and theories about the Curse of Demise, its purpose and its guarantee. The purpose of Demise in Skyward Sword is to conquer and dominate, but I believe after his defeat that is no longer his focus. He knows now that he has lost but he could have made things easier for himself in the future when he created his curse, if he wanted to win. His curse contains three entities within it, his hatred as an omnipresent force of the universe, the blood of the goddess easily trackable through family lineage especially as it becomes a matrilineal monarchy, and finally the Spirit of the Hero, something that would not have necessarily passed through blood nor have persisted after this because it did not exist before. After all Hylia's plan in Skyward Sword was to create a hero, something that had not existed before and may not have existed after and would have been difficult to prove. Through his curse Demise has guaranteed a hero to rise to oppose and prevail over his hatred. Simultaneously, forever dooming those that follow Demise to failure i.e. Ganondorf. Therefore victory is no longer his concern, its the desperate struggle that will forever follow in the wake of Hylia and the Spirit of the Hero. This is the manifestation of Demise's hatred bleeding out over time. Looking at the end of Ocarina of Time into the Adult Timeline we see the Spirit of the Hero leave returning to the Child timeline and not manifesting again. Instead we see a new Spirit of the Hero get forged in Wind Waker. Just some stray thoughts I have been having recently. Excellent breakdown

my theory for Ganon in breath of the wild is, that it wasn't Ganon who infected the divine beasts but it was actually Phantom Ganon the whole time acting while his master slept. think about it, in totk phantom Ganon goes to each of the four regions and causes some sort of plague to fall on the land. He is cunning and tries to tricks link and all of other races into thinking Zelda had turned evil. In botw he is similarly cunning as he infects the divine beasts and guardians that were meant to stop him in the first place.

I found the somewhat sympathetic angle they put on ganondorf in wind water was quite refreshing, it adds a shade of grey to his actions in that particular instalment. The notion of being chosen and endlessly reincarnated as a vessel of pure hatred by a primordial evil is also a very nice touch.

I must thank you for recontextualizing the timeline for all of us. Thank you Vile Eye

I think Calamity Ganon manifested already before while in his sealed state and tried to destroy the kingdom before being suppressed by the divine beasts but this doesn't mean he wiped the kingdom out completely and wiped it clean. I think Calamity Ganon is more of an Astral projection similar to his puppets but with centuries to focus his hatred he can manifest something the size of a dragon.

Notice how Ganondorf in Tears of the Kingdom recognizes the Master Sword as the sword that seals the darkness. Cementing the fact that at some point he has encountered it before Tears of the Kingdom

@Te.legram_____TheVileEye

11 ай бұрын

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@averagecat4220

8 ай бұрын

He recognizes it as the sword that seals the darkness because Rauru told him about the sword just before imprisoning him, so it’s the closest he had to encountering the Master Sword Sword prior to the prologue of the game.

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I have a dumb idea about Ganon in Wind Waker. What if Ganon's a puppet due to Ganondorf's time being unopposed giving him the wherewithal to actually gain control of that mindless spirit and excise it from his person? I feel that would actually explain a lot - such as Ganondorf's explanation of why he wanted Hyrule in the first place. We'd never get that kind of an explanation from any of the Ganon-possessed Ganondorfs. I think I learned why Wind Waker Ganondorf is my favorite incarnation of Ganondorf: he's the closest one to being just a guy. There's an actual humanity to him. When we fight him, he's not flinging spells or transforming. He's just a guy with a pair of swords fighting as best he can.

@F1areon

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I just chalk up Puppet Ganon being Ganondorf basically telling Link "Hey, your gods are playing all of us, including you, like puppets and there's fuck-all we can do to stop them!"

I can't in good conscious say that BotW and TotK are in the timeline we know. Any total collapse of Hyrule to act as a full reset would not allow Raru to assert that he is the first king, and this would give us three Ganondorfs, and two imprisoning wars. If we ignore the dubiously canon four swords adventures all Ganondorf's are the same Ganondorf, desperately clinging to demises' curse, a curse which he is NOT the only inheritor of. Vatti, Bellum, and Malladus all hold that hateful and corruptive spirit, to say nothing of entities like Majora and Nightmare. BotW and TotK are either a new canon, or a split off of skyward sword somehow. If we assume that in this new time line somethings play out close, the Zora linage of kings, the strife between the the tribes of Hyrule, the founding of lon lon ranch, but nothing involving the sealed Ganondorf then we can more easily justify those references surviving. There are developer interviews that state the original intent of OoT was to show the events of LttP's Imprisoning war, but that as the story took shape it could no longer be that. If we take BotW as the new zelda 1, hero must slay the monster reborn from ages past, and ToTK as the new LttP, Hero must defeat the evil that broke free of the seal placed on him by the sages when they could not kill him, with the flash backs being OoT Demon king is born despite Zelda's prophetic warnings, only to be sealed away by the power of light, then the franchise is back on the original trajectory the developers intended before OoT facilitated the knot of a timeline we have. It's hard to say how the new split will come, but it will likely be the result of skyward sword's time travel, if skyward sword is even strictly cannon. White Sword of the Sky, as well as every other reference item say "A hero of a different world" not "of a different time" though I don't want to put too much faith into throw away item descriptions.

@saltykyrios

Жыл бұрын

I'm of the opinion that BotW and TotK are either reboots, or are in their own timeline following SS's split as you suggested. There's no reason why Demise couldn't have cursed the hero's even when he didn't have a soul. The story doesn't fit with the already established timeline. And SS is canon, it's stated to be the start of the timeline(s) in Hyrule Historia.

@javiervasquez625

Жыл бұрын

@@saltykyrios Soft reboot thousands of years after the end of the "Era of Myth" (the 3 timelines) mentioned in the Creating a Champion book and confirmed by Aonuma after the release of Breath of the Wild with a _new kingdom_ of Hyrule founded by Sonia and Rauru and a _reincarnation_ of Ganondorf just like the one seen in Four Swords Adventures. While all the games within the Era of Myth are considered legends which may or may not have happened before the Era of the Wild the events of Skyward Sword, The Minish Cap, Four Swords and Ocarina of Time are all *canon* to the Era of the Wild as they all take place _before_ the Era of Myth took place.

Ganondorf is probably one of the greatest villains in videogames. When you have 35 years to flesh out a villain, its almost impossible to compete.

@Te.legram_____TheVileEye

11 ай бұрын

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Ganon felt like a mindless beast you could prepare for, Ganondorf feels like an active threat you have to catch up to and develop as a warrior as quickly as possible to meet him in combat.

@Te.legram_____TheVileEye

11 ай бұрын

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I believe since tears of the kingdom is at the end of the timeline, I believe it now is like a reboot of the series

This is another great video. On an unrelated note, have you ever considered doing an "Analyzing Heroism" channel as a spinoff?

Ive been expecting this one.. Thank you

Your videos are so interesting thanks for making this

You think maybe Demise ultimately wanted the curse that he used? Adversity breeds excellence, and Link and Gannon both give the challenges necessary to grow stronger to eachother. Demise set a great challenge for his reincarnations, but if they someday overcome link then he’d be more capable than Demise surely. If so he’s playing so far ahead it’s difficult to realize it.

After much thought, I also found that refounding hyrule after its destruction in a far future is the only way for tears of the kingdom to fit and make sense. It also solves the problem of rito existing at the time of hyrule's founding, after been stablished as zora descendants. Happy to see I'm not alone on this take.

@virusklaxsosaur4054

Жыл бұрын

Only magically In the adult timeline. While it seems for botw and Totk (I would even put the fokka of AOL here to) are evolved from Loftwings not zora

@zacharyt.2694

6 ай бұрын

I like the theory that Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom takes place in a new fourth timeline that splits off from Skyward Sword. In this new timeline, humans never needed to spend generations in the sky and returned to the surface after Link returned to his time. In this timeline, the new Ganondorf takes the place of his Ocarina of Time counterpart and after he is sealed events mirroring the various games of the different timelines happen during the Age of Myth/Legend, which is why you can find references to them. Also, I believe that in this time Hylia never had a reason to reincarnate into Zelda and thus stayed a Goddess which is why you can speak to her at shrines. Zelda would still however be considered "the blood of the goddess" because Hylia could have blessed Rauru's/Zelda's bloodline with the power of Light/Sealing (Lightforce?). Thereby making her the blood of the goddess in a less literal sense and since Demise is said to have concured time it would make sense for his curse to affect timelines that should seemingly be unaffected by it due to him never having the chance to utter it.

This game had my arcade in a chokehold! Great time to be a gamer.

I didn’t realize that a recurring trait of more recent Ganons is some sort of mark on the forehead. Demise has an “X” scar, I assume from his time as the Imprisoned, where the stake was we kept bashing back into his head. After that most Ganons and Dorfs have a gem on their foreheads. Usually part of a crown. The exceptions would be early Zelda games like Zelda 1 (though he does have a white dot that could be a gem or horn), LTTP where he’s bald and the Oracle games where he’s wearing a helmet instead. He even has a gem as Calamity Ganon, which becomes an eye when becoming Dark Beast Ganon. When becoming the Demon Dragon, he still had his Secret Stone on the forehead (or it might have just been a new crystal that formed idk). More often than not, they’re his weak points. At least in some capacity. As the Imprisoned, BOTW/TOTK, and it’s where Link leaves the Master Sword in WW. Where better to strike a king than their crown? It’s also inadvertently symbolic. The Triforce of Power stands at the top of the complete Triforce.

I remember requesting a villain a long time ago, but I think I deleted it because it wasn't well thought out. There's a villain from the first season of Fargo I thought you would like to check out. Their name is Lorne Malvo, and I think they'd be perfect for the channel. But that's just me. Content is always great, impressive as always. Edit: in summary, Lorne Malvo is kind of a mix of Johan Liebert and Anton Chigurh

There's a line in game of thrones that applies to Ganondorf very well: "...but he would see this country burn if it meant he could be King of the Ashes"

@Te.legram_____TheVileEye

11 ай бұрын

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BOTW takes place at the end of all three timelines: regardless of which timeline you take, a series of events unfolds which leads to the formation of Hyrule as it appears in BOTW because it is what is called an _attractor state._ This is known as a formative cause or a telos. That is to say, the cause proceeds the effect: if I shape some clay into a pot, I am doing so because the pot will be useful at a future point in time as much as because I was caused to make the pot because I had need of one. This is all a complicated way of saying that the old timeline has been set to one side so that elements from across the entire series can be brought together without contradiction. You may take any interpretation you wish, but BOTW's position in the timeline remains at the end.

I always thought that at the end of SS was shown the coming of the Hylians to the heart, not the founding of Hyrule