i think wesk has alot to say about this guys

@masterbeidou8284

3 жыл бұрын

I think so too 😨

@Bryan-uq4jg

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

I purposely avoided the newbie system thing when i got spammed to join one, i just wanted to play and was confident enough in my own ability to adapt and learn. It worked fine. I don't care if a person is a mentor or is not, i care if they're a dick or not.

@thekaxmax

3 жыл бұрын

that's rather his point. :P

@celfhelp

Жыл бұрын

thus was the nature of nerd sub-cultures for a long time. you had to put in the effort to learn on your own before 'mentors' would even acknowledge/help you that's organic gatekeeping, and i for one sorely miss it

I left the Novice Network day 1 due to spam. I'd rather simply google something than have my chat bar fly by as people rant about politics or their favorite anime. Afterwards I would frequently get re-invited to it when entering major cities, which only further cemented my disdain for it. I found out much later (after recommending your videos to a friend) that I'm on the same server as you, and that you personally helped my friend learn how to tank via NN. I'm glad people like you are trying to improve it, I probably would have stuck around if discussion was limited to game-related questions and answers.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

Game related discussion only gets boring pretty fast. We don't all live in a FF14 bubble. We try to avoid politics but talking about anime and other games? That's cool. Can learn about interesting stuff. And most of us try to get any questions answered when they crop up.

@ny4nk0

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeskAlber I wrote this comment before you got to the community discussion in the video. I personally didn't have trouble making friends in the game, so it wasn't something I was looking for in the NN, but I could see how it would be a valuable outlet for others. As a complete beginner I didn't know how to customize my chat bar, if I had known that I could filter it into a separate tab I wouldn't have minded the discussions at all, (and probably would have joined them too). I guess my feedback would be, create a separate tab for it by default so as to not overwhelm new players.

@thekaxmax

3 жыл бұрын

@@ny4nk0 we guide people to that a lot, for this reason. Note: I'm on the same server with Wesk.

@snoozebutton9996

3 жыл бұрын

I endured a little longer, but left, when the NN resorted to discuss if Bahamut (or whatever Primae it was) would be a fuckable Antropomorphic. The Off-Topic Spam was kinda out of hand sometimes and i reguarly didn't get answers or witnessed others not getting answers. When i could help, i did, but given i left the NN on day 5, i was of not much help most of the times.

@qamarqammar7629

3 жыл бұрын

@@ny4nk0 100% agree with this. One thing sprouts really don't know is how to customize the chat. Back in the day I too left NN due to chat clutter, when I could have just put it in a separate tab.

"You don't need a reason to help people" - Zidane Tribal, FFIX

@calmexit6483

2 жыл бұрын

Damn. That’s essentially my motto in life. When do you meet this character?

@NuclearRaven13

2 жыл бұрын

@@calmexit6483 He is the main character from ff9, a thief that has an heart of gold and falls in love with a princess, also is the only person in his world that has an monkey tail.

Though we've never met across the NN, I want you to know here that you are the Mentor who has helped me enjoy my 14 experience more than any other. Your many guides allowed me to move from completely overwhelmed into what may be my favorite game.

@sulfuras1985

3 жыл бұрын

As good as this comment is, I don't even play the game. I don't have a computer but am saving up for one to eventually play 14. That being said, in preparation for playing, I've watched all the class guides videos wesk has put out and some others, like this one, was waiting for this one to pop actually. So yeah, never met him, but Wesk is my mentor too. Haha 😀

Hey Wesk, hearing about this subject from the other perspective was a real eye opener. I have not been wronged by the system myself, as I just chose to carve my own path when I started playing the game, but a couple years into the game now at least felt a bit skeptical about the system and how well it was actually working. And even though I don't have any particular strong opinion on mentors themselves as to me they are just players as well, it's very clear to see you're very passionate about helping people and helping this game in general. Your content stands to prove this as well. As much as you say yourself that you're some nobody, people like me who have watched all of your guides getting into the game would still like to thank you for all that hard work.

Actually one of my biggest gripes is that the system kicks you when you no longer have a sprout icon. I mean, what's even up with that? People are sprouts waaay into endgame because of the lack of in game resources, and having players be unable to join just because they reached an arbitrary time estimate? Yikes

@qamarqammar7629

3 жыл бұрын

And if you've made friends there, it sucks even more.

@dantelundell9386

3 жыл бұрын

@@qamarqammar7629 And you don't even get a warning to let you know in advance :/

@qamarqammar7629

3 жыл бұрын

@@dantelundell9386 ikr? You log in one day, alone in the desert wondering what happened lol. They should just let people stay until they find they want to go.

Related to the discussion bits around 16:00 teaching is its own separate skill. You need knowledge of a subject matter to be able to teach it, but that knowledge alone does not make you good at explaining and teaching it, and when teaching a novice, the teaching skill can be more important than any actual specialist knowledge most times (since the basics have to be learned for the more advanced stuff to build upon)

Some People say hes still saying Dancer. Dancer. Dancer.... :D

@petrus9067

3 жыл бұрын

When you repeat a word that many time it starts sounsing so weird JAHFJDBDSS

Sadly I will be out all day but I will get to responding to comments when I can! Enjoy!

45:00 had me in tears. Never heard Wesk show even mild perturbation so that was hilarious.

I agree with pretty much everything you have brought up except for the "world chat section" to a point. Honestly I get what you are saying, it's fair that the NN is basically a global linkshell there is nothing inherently wrong with that on paper. However, the major problem that I have personally experienced and as such will never go back onto NN as a novice player, is that the NN feels extremely cliquey. I won't mention the data center because I feel like it will detract from the point. But basically the NN on the Data Center I was on (for 1 month) was filled with the same 15 - 25 people daily where most of the conversations had nothing to do with advice or helping and instead were focused on things outside of the game (favorite anime, video games, movies, etc.), when discussions did turn towards the game it was mostly gushing over things like story beats and characters. I didn't really see people asking questions often and when they did, due to constant random conversations a lot of questions were missed or if answered were answered by 5 different people 5 different ways. Not much help. The issue that drove me out of the NN however, was the fact that at the time I was leveling a dragoon and had reached a quest I was having trouble finding (granted I was being dumb and didn't realize the quest marker was sending me down a canyon that I had thought you couldn't go down). At the time people in the NN were pining over Estinien as a few of the members had finally beaten HW for the first time and everyone was gushing about how amazing he was, often in a non-pg13 way. Whatever though, the problem for me was once they found out I had met Estinien in the previous quest they asked me how I liked him. When I answered that I didn't really care for him and that he seemed kinda generic (this was ARR dragoon quests, and while I still don't think he was the most amazing character he did grow in HW). I was bombarded by hate from people telling me I didn't understand how story development works, and why I was playing this game if I couldn't appreciate good writing/characters. Not a single person in that group of 15ish people jumped in to be like: "Hey stop guys". Everyone just kind of descended on me, like I had insulted a single member of a frat and everyone in that frat had to jump in to defend that guy. It sucked and while a mentor did personally message me to apologize and help me out, I left the NN the following hour. Granted this is all anecdotal and I know for a fact that all NN are probably not run that way, but it was a bad enough experience that I feel something has to be done, there has to be better way for NN to ask questions instead of the equivalent of a cliquey linkshell.

@petrus9067

3 жыл бұрын

Wow those people were really annoying and stupid :( people get too attached to characters and their opinions about them they lose their minds. I'm sorry you had to go trhough that. I never experienced ckiquey behavior in the time i was on the Novice network. Yes, there were really familiar names everytime, sometimes talking about random stuff (mostly about the game still) but they were never obnoxious or rude. And i don't mind people just chatting there, and i swear most of the time a question was asked people were righht there to help and give directions. Servers somehow have very different experiences

@daneparchmentjr

3 жыл бұрын

@@petrus9067 That's why I didn't want to bring up which server I was on, because it just leads to: "Well my data center isn't like that", "Just join a different data center", "Oh you're on that data, that makes sense, those people are like that there". Sort of answers, which never really address the problem. But yeah, the NN that I was in was definitely cliquey. At least 5 of the most frequent posters definitely knew each other IRL, because they constantly talked about visiting each other, sleeping over, partying IRL, personal stuff that you would talk about with friends on a discord. Which I think is a problem with the NN, as it can basically become this very cliquey place. And I mean, I'm not saying that's wrong, but it is very alienating to new players to join the server and feel like they aren't a part of the in-group.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

Interject with your favorite anime and games and movies. Discussion is to be encouraged by everyone. I can't say much for them missing questions, but 5 different answers isn't inherently bad either. They could all be valid answers depending on the question. Things aren't so simple to always have a single right answer. Your biggest issue seems to the simping on Estinien and ERP. I made the distinction for this reason. Talking a bunch is a-ok. Attacking people, ERP, etc, those aren't just bad in NN, those are bannable offenses, Period. If you can't say it in /say, you're not allowed to say it in NN. Which is the key thing people tended to miss with the talking bits. Talking is great. It makes a lot of novices feel like there's a real community going on. Public ERP, not allowed and is not part of talking. And this is also why we need many different types of people. It prevents cliques from forming and dilutes the pool and prevents public ERP stuff. Estinien doesn't even have THAT much development compared to many other characters people tend to hate on so I also find your story super ironic lol. Like, he basically is one note even through HW, growth or not.

@daneparchmentjr

3 жыл бұрын

​@@WeskAlber Oh wow, thanks for answering! As to your points: I agree that discussion is fine and I definitely engaged in the occasional random discussion myself. The problem that I have is that to a new person joining the NN, it can sometimes feel like a clique. This can be off-putting to new players because it gives you that sense of being the new kid in school, except you didn't join during the first day of school but halfway through the year. Now obviously you are right, and joining in with the conversations is the best way around that, but it definitely can give off that: you're clearly not part of the in-group feeling. I didn't expand on the 5 person responding 5 different ways thing because I didn't want to make an already long post longer. But what I meant by that was less 5 correct different answers and more like, 5 different answers where the mentors would begin arguing amongst themselves on who was giving the better answer. While the Novice is sitting their trying to figure out which one is right answer. For example someone asked what the best rotation for their lvl 50 machinist was that they were using the skills A, B, C, D in the order: C, A, A, B, D. And then someone would respond: No use: A, A, C, B, D it's better, to which another mentor goes: No you should use: B, A, C, A, D, and then another mentor jumps in and is like: Na fam you're both wrong use this one instead. And then they start arguing. That sort of answer, and while you're right that they may all be valid as the answer can be complex with many moving parts, it doesn't really help the Novice to be bombarded with so many answers, regardless of whether they are right or wrong. I wouldn't call it ERP specifically because their was not actual erotic roleplay more than it was just people simping on the character stuff like: "Man, if I was gay I'd f*** Estinien", "I'd want to give Estinien babies", "When they revealed his face at the end, I almost dumped by boyfriend there and then", ect, etc. In various different flavors, for most of the day/week. I'd say it also more of a "flavor of the day/week" sort of thing because other times it would be other characters too. Once everyone was simping for Mongeim (I think I spelled her name right?) for the whole day when I mentioned having met her. One of the mentors is an artist and posted their DeviantArts each time they drew something new so I think people just kind of pined over whichever character she drew. I dunno, major simping, but not sure if you'd label that ERP? I agree that multiple different types of people will prevent the clique like behavior, or just they'd just create smaller cliques within the NN. I also agree that Estinien wasn't my favorite character or the most developed by the end of HW, but I am in Stormblood now and I've heard that he's in it (for some reason?) so maybe that will change. What the NN taught me was that if I'm going to levy criticism against the game, do it with some praise first or acknowledge the thing that you are criticizing is actually good. I've watched enough players (myself included) getting dogged on for levying any sort of criticism towards the game on the NN I was in. Which I think is a wider community issue than it is specifically tied to the NN.

Why need mentors when you have wesk vids.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

Cuz I'm just one loser in a wesker cosplay. I'm far from the sole voice on the matter

@soulsurvivor3491

3 жыл бұрын

WeskAlber is a hero to a lot of new players ( like me) that simply don’t understand the guides from other content providers that talked wayyyyy over my head. Your 1-80 guides have helped me to not just learn new jobs but relearn jobs that I had already leveled. Learning how to make a rotation, when the best time is to use what skills and WHY, breaking down skills into layman’s terms are all the reasons I think your guides are GOLD. Basically, the guides on this channel have been my class/job mentor for the past year and I’m extremely grateful for the detailed content provided.

THANK YOU! I use all of your rotation guides, and I finally feel like I've gotten experienced enough to participate because I WANT TO HELP players and make a better community. I looked for comments on joining, and I am really HAPPY you put this out!~

As a newbie (no longer a sprout because I beat Shadowbringers, but still VERY MUCH IN NEED OF HELP) I want to thank you for all your work in the novice network. I have watched your guides and it made my rotations so much better but I always ask for help in dungeons I'm not familiar with and accept advice. (You made my dragoon rotation so good in a trial the tank got mad at me because I was generating too much enmity.. I don't know what to do with that.) I wish more people were willing to chime in, and I don't know how to help improve this system but I appreciate the way it is. However, the one time someone told me to "go stand in a corner" was pretty harsh.

Not a mentor but I have been recommending your guides to people who were struggling with a class

You hit it right on the nail when talking about hiding the crown for me. my feels! Thank you for this video, it has given me hope and inspiration to continue what i believe being a mentor is all about in this game.

So many truths in this video. As a mentor I appreciate all the information and awareness and time put into this video. Thank you for your hard work. I see you in game often and I had no idea you had a KZread channel. Definitely subscribing!

I attempted to read every comment and respond to many! Thank you all for the support on this one and please share it around! Got another busy day today but I'll try and catch new comments tonight!

From what I've seen about the watering can suggestion, people seem to be more interested in filtering out the 'prestige' factor of the icon. They'd probably be fine with the type of player chasing the watering can to hear it from them. I think it's more about reputation and interpersonal relationships. "How dare you assume you are better than me, with that crown." But that's just an assumption on my hand after seeing people speak on it.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

I just fail to see how the watering can is any different. If anyone is truly acting "better than you" with the crown... it's because the crown means mentor. If anyone is truly acting "better than you" with a watering can... it's because the can means mentor. And then it comes down to the issue being non-mentors anyway. Lotta people assume it's a "I'm better than you" attitude when it's just "I know info, I am giving you info that is good."

Thanks for making this. I enjoyed learning your pov and feedback on the system.

As a healer main, I’ll generally commend the tank if they make my job extremely easy, and commend the DPS if I don’t have to even look in their general direction beyond normal expected damage. If someone new is struggling and apologizes for struggling, I’ll give them a commendation as a way of letting em know I appreciate their effort (as well as tell them it’s no big deal in chat, it’s fine) For me, commendation is “you respected the party and everyone’s time”, avoided mechanics instead of relying on gear and healing to tank it, asking for help if you need it, being friendly and polite. It’s difficult to generally tell if DPS is doing their rotation exactly right as a healer, but I do keep on eye on dots and debuffs on the bosses. I appreciate your guides being detailed and helpful by assuming the viewer doesn’t immediately know things. Gathering and crafting guides that are basically like “reach level 20 then go to the diadem/firmament for the next 60 levels there you go you learned how to craft”, with no explanation of what skills are used for or why to go there in the first place. “How to play (class) guides” generally never actually explain when you should or shouldn’t use certain skills, or leave out things like how close you should follow the tank as a healer or how enmity generation works, or why you should use AOE in groups of three or more even if your other fancy buttons have higher potency. For me, helpful advice should aim from the perspective of the player they are aimed at. The new tank who doesn’t understand why his party keeps getting hit maybe doesn’t know that they need to hit the enemies first to draw their attention. Letting a tank know “you need to have your stance skill on and hit the enemy at least once to provoke them, using AOE attacks makes this easier in groups”, is more useful and actionable than “you need to generate enmity when pulling, or they attack your party”, which is meaningless to someone who doesn’t know what enmity is or how to generate it or why you need to do that to prevent them from attacking. Expanding on that with “healers healing you draws enemy’s attention even when they are not attacking, so keep an eye on enemies near them and see which enemies are indicated as “green” on the enemy list, that means they are targeting your party”, gives them actionable information, and also clears up some misconceptions they might have (“why is my healer pulling instead of letting me do it?”) and let’s them know what they can do to solve the problem they might encounter frequently when first learning. Sprouts sometimes need better advice (but also to take the advice they are given, because I have definitely encountered players who just wanted someone else to blame). I especially agree with the idea that a variety of mentors are needed, you need a variety of experiences. I leveled dragoon to around 53 before deciding I didn’t really like the rotation and play style, and if a newbie asked me what I thought of the class, I would probably say that the rotation is very involved and might not be new player friendly, while my buddy who leveled it to 80 might say instead that the Dragoon feels really strong in single target combat and let’s you feel like you’re doing something active instead of pressing the same couple buttons consistently. Both of us are right in our experience, but we’d give very different ideas of the class. Having both of our viewpoints could help someone new decide if they wanted to play dragoon, maybe they want a complicated class that feels active, maybe they want to just press the same two buttons, but now they know what to expect going in. Either of our views on their own might turn someone off of the class before they even tried it, or might give them the wrong idea of how the class plays. I don’t have any experience with Novice Network since I wasn’t invited when in early levels, and because I have a lot of friends who play, and I’m the kind of person who does a lot of my own research, even on classes I don’t plan on playing in case I need to understand how their class works. So in general I’ve learned a lot second hand. From my experience with other MMO’s, I think any system would benefit from having a public forum rather than (or maybe in addition to) a public chat. (Perhaps there is a forum?) socializing is good, but I would really love a searchable, persistent area where frequent questions can be looked up, and helpful threads compiled. There’s a lot of stuff in this game that you might not ever know about without specifically being told. Easily searchable public threads (no signing in!) are a great way to make information accessible. As much as I enjoy video guides as something to listen to while doing something else, having a clear concise post somewhere is a preferable tool for me. I’d rather have a post that lists the bosses in the dungeon and the mechanics in simple terms (stand on the glowing red platform to avoid dying from the Doom condition the boss puts on you) instead of having to scroll through a 20 minute dungeon guide video that says “pick up the ads and don’t stand in the AOE” for 75% of it. Clear and concise is what I want when I look for specifics (when should I use Repose in dungeons?) vs long and involved is great for getting a general feel (how does a spell casters role actions come into play?). Searchable forums do a lot to let you have both, without getting bogged down. You’ll see this a lot with “class handbooks” for dnd/pathfinder classes. Want to know how to build a cleric from the ground up? Want spell suggestions? Or do you want to know what kind of magic items you should buy for one? Press control-F and there you go. I’m sure discords exist for this, but having to join a discord just for a single question is a pain, and the discords generally not being moderated consistently is generally unpleasant in my experience. Having to search several channels just to find a bunch of posts with people asking the same question and being told to go to a specific channel that has a link to a google doc with a broken link to a video that was removed for being out of date, is not a great experience in any game. So, there’s my two cents from the perspective of someone who has had no experience with it. That’s what I’d want from a novice network, and how I personally prefer to learn.

OMG...Thank you! Thank you so much for this video. I am so glad that I am not the only person with these thoughts. I appreciate this video

Wow, you had some genius suggestions and incredible insight, this is an amazing video. I wasn't gonna watch it all but your thoughts are all engaging and, I guess epiphany-giving lol. Stay amazing.

I was playing on my alt on Midgardsormr the other day when I got an invite to NN. I immediately thought "oh I'm not the sort of 🌱 they are looking for here" and declined the invite. Especially after watching this video, I wish I had just accepted it. My previous experiences with the NN on Gilgamesh revolved around rude sprouts and mentors with a short fuse but I didn't really give it a good chance. Being where I am with my main (about halfway through Stormblood) I am beginning to realize how far behind the curve I am in terms of game knowledge and skill and in no way, shape, or form does having an alternate character on another world absolve me of my inadequacies in this game. There is always room for improvement and, particularly in the case of those mentors who go out of their way to invite new adventurers, there are players out there who have much they could teach me.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

Even I have plenty to learn. I get the nickname "weskipedia" sometimes due to my deep knowledge of the game... but I'm still wrong sometimes. We all have room to learn. And all sprouts are welcome, even alts. Can act as a mini-mentor if you're so learned you don't need NN.

@apdj94

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeskAlber that's sort of what I've done in my alt's FC for some people. Since Midgardsormr has the RT70 buff right now there are a lot of brand new players and some new alts. The FC I am in is comprised entirely of brand new players except for myself and two others. I have tried to teach some of them the skills that I have but I know I can only bring them so far. After watching this video I will be sure to recommend them to the Novice Network if they think it will help them but I will also try to make sure they go into objectively if at all possible.

I remember playing as a BLM in level 80 roulette, and we managed to have a PLD who didn't know how to tank, not even the bare basics such as mitigation. Tried giving advice as I've been tank main for a very long time till recently, and the guy got pretty offended from what I could tell, by being pretty sarcastic in his tones with comments like "okay mister expert", bare in mind I'm not even a mentor. I would go into the mentor thing, but I can't play all roles well, not even in theory (healer is my kryptonite); so I don't wanna drag myself in because of that. I can only imagine how many scenarios like this you mentors have to put up with, alongside other players throwing insults at you all. All of my sympathies go out to you lot

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

That's the big issue. Bad players are blamed on mentors all the time on places like reddit. But take Mentors out of the equation.. bad players still exist. They still refuse advice. There are bad mentors, but every bad player wasn't due to mentors. These people exist and will always exist even if mentors never did. We can't do anything if nobody will listen.

@andrewan1225

3 жыл бұрын

The number of burger king tanks who dont know you should do NOTHING but spam AOEs in pulls and dont use even Reprisal is simply staggering. Like if you're a Sastasha lv15 newbie fine w/e but if you're over like Brayflox level and INDIVIDUALLY attack enemies you're going to give people coronaries.

@cptmudcrabiii5511

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewan1225 I've never seen mentors like that tbh, but they do exist. Wesk Alber does mention things like this in the video, and the system to how you get recruited should be change if you ask me. In my case, I usually just see mentor tanks that are just, okay, which I'm fine with. Maybe they're more better/comfy with healer or DPS.

@chelsthegameruiner8669

3 жыл бұрын

I wholeheartedly welcome all advice without question. I had the whole mitigation situation happen to me as my Gunbreaker and a player kindly asked me if I had those so I said no. They then told me which skills to use and I quickly set up my hotbar with the mitigation skills included. I'm now a great tank thanks to that one player and I genuinely hope they're doing well now

Hey Wesk, I really like this video! I think it's what got me to get into mentoring. You know, be the change you want to see in the world. Exodus NN is very nice and it feels good to give back to the community that helped me along the way when I was new. I really don't get it when people say NN or mentors are bad because I've never really experienced any of that. Not even sprouts, really. It's usually returners with an ego who treat everyone like dirt that end up being the issue.

I only knew you are a mentor in this video. Your my 1st day video series is a very good guide that really made for novices’ point of view. I followed most of it and now gone to Heavensward in a comfortable position. In non English data center like Kujata, novice network is kinda like a general chat room for English speaking players and players mostly enjoy the discussion and talk. We can even get help for some content like Bahamut. There are players who “graduated” but returned as mentor just for the chat room alone. Personally I had a game in the lost city of Amdapor where we got wiped many times because of not knowing how to mark the door in Dioboloss fight. Then there was a mentor who didn’t give up on us and coached us to victory. It’s good to know that there’s mentors who give their best. I hope you continue your efforts with the same enthusiasm.

Comms are tricky sometimes anyway because your teammates will often peace out ASAP, so it's easier to just pick someone at random and throw a comm their way. I've been picking dps specifically for a while purely because they don't often get comms unless they were a troll or something, at least that way they get a few here and there.

I started on Siren about a year ago and kinda ignored the Novice Network while I was leveling but I would look at it from time to time and have only seen people being helpful or using it for casual conversation. I would say that it's a good system but it definitely needs more structure. On the note of commendations, if I'm a healer or tank, I give it to the other healer or tank. When i play dps, i give my commendation to another dps. I only started doing this when i started playing all the roles and began to figure out that most people were doing this too. The only exception is when one person saves the whole run.

@thekaxmax

3 жыл бұрын

that would really need SE to pay for moderators, at least 2 per server. Ain't happening.

I'm surprised but really happy to hear that Siren's NN experiences were mostly positive now. Siren is my home server and when I was using the NN mentors were incredibly rude and unhelpful. This was back in 2015-2016 however so I'm glad to hear things have changed for the better!

Omg, that interjection dude, all serious until that point inteh video, now its' just hilarious, i can't stop laughing, tyvm for at least trying to make it light hearted LMAO

The only reason I got 7 commendations, is because I ran into a random 7-man party in DF. I also didn't use the novice network, but so far I haven't had any bad encounters with people who have the mentor icon.

started playing for the first time 2 weeks ago and been enjoying leveling slowly in literally all classes lol. I wish I knew how to join the novice network, I was given the option to join it at one point but failed to officially do so. I have been thoroughly enjoying all your 1 to 80 ability guides and has helped me figure out what dps I would off spec as when not wanting to tank. I appreciate the effort you put into the videos and will learn as I go

When you walk away for a couple minutes to check on dinner and you come back to "dancer, dancer, dancer, dancer, dancer, dancer"

hey man love your videos, no one even needs a mentor if they just watch your content :P I admire people like you who are passionate about helping others learn! keep up the good work.

After watching this, you've convinced me to join the novice network (and I'm on midgardsormr!). I've only heard the stereotypes so thank you for the counterpoints.

@phillipg3036

6 ай бұрын

Same here, thought it was a meme chat where no actual advice was being shared. Let's see how it goes.

After this hearing this, the word “dancer” doesn’t sound like a word anymore lmao

The balance in this game is amazing in comparison to any other game I've played in remembrance

i dont even wanna use the crown because then i get harassed whenever i do anything people dont think is optimal or whatever lol

I just cant agree with the commendation for tank or healer. They are in shortage which causes longer queue for dps. If they decide to become a tank or healer, they deserve a commendation. But if they are very bad and unwilling to take advice then absolutely give commendation to a good dps player.

There has only ever been one guy who took time at a random roulette dungeon to give me pointers, and my initial reaction was genuine anger. If he didn't like how I was tanking then he could go tank, was what I thought. But then I mulled it over for a while and knew he was right. The message was to learn when to use damage mitigation, and I didn't know when, then to always have mitigation on whenever possible. I usually consider myself a patient man, so me flaring up with that much anger for something I was wrong about startled me. He literally popped the advice in chat and left. Didn't even wait for a reply. Now I understand why. I may have been angry with him for a moment, but I'm truly grateful to that mysterious person the most now. I hope people get past that anger and take in the advice that weskalber and the rest of the mentors give, even if it's after the initial encounter.

I'm still fairly new to the game, but I never joined the novice network because I tend to just google/youtube my questions and hope there's good answers out on the internet. So far i found the solution to most of my problems this way, but hearing you passionately talk about the mentor system really makes me want to try joining the NN. Thanks for the great video

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

An in-game source of info is very convenient for many, especially PS4/5 players. But glad to have another person aboard. Hope your local NN isn't too hard to make a good place

this is a fantastic video discussing a very important topic but I NEED TO KNOW how to you made other players flashy abilities not come up on the screen i keep dying in my dungeons because i cant see mechanics

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

Char config > character > effects secton

@kevinlandrini6799

3 жыл бұрын

just make it limited pls ahaha so you can see your healer's bubbles of love and friendship (in which you should definitely stand in)

One thing I think could help would be to try to enable ways to give specific advice. Maybe have mentors for specific jobs for people who want to learn something more than what usually gets asked in NN, the system does sometimes provide good advice (for me the biggest help was an explanation of endgame gear lockouts on midgard) but with so much happening at once in NN asking some questions sometimes I felt nervous like I was interrupting something else. While job guides are a way to help players who are actively looking for help, so is a google search for how to unlock mounts, but novice network presents a way to get that information in game, so many people complain about bad players and if we cant have job guides to properly teach ideas like burst windows and general rotation logic, then mentors for a specific job could help a lot. I dont know what the requirements should be, but that’s an issue for mentorship as a whole. (Edit: yes I know this is ironically all very general, but to use a job I know well as an example, having someone explain how to prioritise using dancer procs and cooldowns, or avoid rotation drift with flourish.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

Super high end advice would be nice to have but also, a topic I didn't bother with in the video, is the Balance. There seems to be this attitude in the corners of the playerbase that "NN is trying to be the Balance" which isn't even close. Some of us in NN think elitism and being a dick on purpose isn't good and I've seen no small amount of Balance mentors act like they are too good for NN. Those who aren't in that group, I am glad for. So best you're gonna get are people like me, who are pretty good but aren't gonna be able to give you every little optimization possible. Plus, that level of optimization is too much for novices typically. You're not even in ShB when you get kicked out. Any level cap novice, used a level skip. Often novices get confused at even basic talks about savage content, let alone high end optimization. And that's ok I'd say. Most the playerbase doesn't raid at all, even if I encourage trying it out.

@Cassapphic

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeskAlber yeah that’s understandable, it may be that the jobs I’m most used to are jobs that start at high levels s I’m kinda naturally focusing on that but I feel like some way to help at least learn generally what a player should be doing, even something simpler like song order for bard (which matters from 52) could definitely be a way for early players who aren’t sure where to look for advice on how to improve may go. But I do see your poi my about keeping NN focused on new players rather than those looking to fully grasp a rotation or hyper-optimise

I was once making jokes about ffxiv or job stereotypes durring MSQ roulette. Got 5 or 6 coms just for that ;)

Thanks for putting into words some of my thoughts regarding the subject but most importantly.. thank you for personifying my internal screaming when I have certain discussions with some people of this community (45:46)

As much as I would like to be a mentor I know it's not for me because I know I'm really bad at explaining things and tend to be quiet. I'm also still learning things myself and I've been playing on and off since 1.0.

I had a thought regarding the new player novice network thing. Would it help if a new player on their first character got a dialogue box before starting the game proper asking if they wish to join the network. This will help with the having to manually invite people. Would that be a good idea?

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

As I said, that's too simple without locking free trial players out and making inviting them still needed because bots. But idk if there is a true way to circumvent that issue without potentially letting in all the spambots for free

Yo, I remember clutching hard in a Shadowbringers dungeon while leveling up my Summoner. The healer kept dying so it fell to me to usually heal. Final boss, the tank died so I raised them, then the healer died (no surprise there) and I raised them quickly. Once we finally beat the boss, I got zero commendations for saving the run which upset me a bit but what really got me was how the healer who was a toxic asshole to me got the commendations because of their glam. I'd love to help new players, I got every requirements but the commendation requirements are what's holding me back greatly because I don't really focus on glamour. Only time I got a full team commendation was when I beat the final boss as the last standing player as my Machinist (this wasn't my main character either. My main is on Goblin and has a total of eight classes maxed out I believe).

I wasn't expecting a musical but I really liked the Dancer song 😀👍

35:12 I never knew this was where you could report this kind of stuff! I thought you could only ever report RMT activity since that's the only option given under Report when you select someone. While I hope I never need to use this functionality, thank you for showing me where it is!

I wholeheartedly 100% agree with you on the aspect of engagement. Everyone believes there gonna be great at something without realizing the responsibility and process at which to actually be great. And they become the very thing that they railed against. I'm not a mentor but I try to do my part in helping new people because I love ffxiv and I want the community to continue to grow and be successful.

All those Dancer's had me feeling like I was stuck in the twilight zone.

The bit where you mentioned healers who wouldn't do dps being mostly negative hit a little hard. When I was trying to go for my first Shiva EX clear, I was healing as WHM and my co healer was doing nothing but spamming Medica and Medica 2. We failed that instance and voted to abandon with about 5 minutes left of the hour. The second attempt I actually had a competent co healer, except they didn't have LB on their bar. Found that out as Shiva was at 10 percent, and the only standing members were them and one tank, I'm calling for Healer LB3 and after we wiped they said "I didn't put it on my bar, it's there now though." We cleared it the next attempt. Moral of the story, everyone makes mistakes, but healers making mistakes is the most noticeable.

A sort of, alternate yet really minor band-aid fix I thought of in regards to the mentor icon was rather than limiting when the icon is displayed, why not add more for say, pure cosmetic or another way to flex certain achievements. The way I see it, many newer players at first glance who don't know anything about the novice network, much less about player search will see the crown and assume it's some sort of cosmetic to add on top of your title that's displayed around your name. The icon itself doesn't even need to be associated with player search. Like titles, they can just equip these icons to show off something they did, or something they wanna show off to people. This of course will not completely deter everyone from getting the crown as there will still be people who want it just for the looks, nor fix the inherent problems and bias associated with it, but at least adding more options would probably thin the herd, even a little bit? Icons associated with certain achievements, milestones, or other activities that display what that person did or accomplished, even if that icon itself has no intrinsic value, could be a start in trying to give the mentor icon less of a negative connotation, and mentors can still display that icon if they wish to truly use it as a means to reach out and help others in need. There might be some caveats I overlooked so feel free to discuss with me this band-aid fix I proposed.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

No time to go into detail but I like the concept

You have been my mentor, I have watched you job guide videos since my return to ff14 (of which I left b4 HW dropped) my toon was still on wold of darkness. Basically I forgot how to play the game, so I went to a new server and made a new tool and started from scratch. That would not have been possible without your videos (especially the tank class vids) your drk vid, gave me the confidence to take on tanking again.

There is one issue that I did notice with the reddit post you used: did the OP notice any gameplay changes after he gave advice? Some of those 'no response' results could have actually taken the advice, like the DRK player starting to use unmend to pull after the OP gave out the advice for example.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

I discussed that. That's what the last section was. Almost all unresponsive were unresolved

I literally got the two sides of the coin back to back. I was emptying my journal and just needed to do Shiva and Ramuh extremes. Both times it was party full of sprouts and one mentor. With shiva the mentor didn't say a word and dropped after the second wipe so we needed to look for a new tank character (I was the other tank and had no idea what to look out for) and the new tank was able to guide us to beat it. With the Ramuh even before we started the mentor opened with Q&A about the boss mechanics for all roles and the whole fight they kept shouting out mechanics and their explanation was easy to follow so we were able to beat it on the second try.

@WeskAlber

2 жыл бұрын

The fact your group was willing to listen is a major part of the picture too. This predates the asmon rush so I think that nowadays more people are willing to listen to directions on average. People see it is hard, want to win and will listen to win

@wild_wyoming6392

Жыл бұрын

I had a run of ifrit extreme through the DF as a sprout. Thought I'd try these "extreme" things, lol. We got two mentors and the rest first timers. One was fine and told us about mechanics, even though you could tell they didn't really want to be there, they sucked it up and and helped us out to clear it the third or fourth run. The second mentor was awful. They just degraded everyone for getting hit by mechanics, called us trash, and told us to watch videos and never que for extremes in DF again. The bad mentor was so bad, that I DID indeed never que for a duty finder extreme again because my experience was so soured. It's hard not to let that one bad mentor dictate how I feel about queing for content and the system. But the bad apple really did overshadow the better mentor. And I say "better" rather than good, because they were still a bit rude even though they were giving sound advice about mechanics. I should have reported them for being so toxic but didn't even know I could do that. Having played for a while, I started giving advice to other players, even while not a mentor, on content I was confident on and have seen first hand how awful some folks can be when you say anything. I've seen tanks deliberately not put on their stance because you reminded them they forgot, lol. I want to do the mentor thing, but both of these types of experiences have kind of soured me to the idea if I'm being honest. I haven't met the requirements yet to join it. Many good points in ths video. I will add one thing I think is important for mentors. Patience. And it's certainly not mentor specific, but mentors shoild have it. Too often I see it where new players are learning content, wipe, and half the party dips out instead of taking the time to go through and allow the learning. We were all new players once.

i picked up white mage like a month ago and i literally gotten over a 1000 comms just in the time i was leveling it its crazy and a little sad bc whm isnt usually a hard class to play in casual stuff but im also a decent dragoon and thats my main and it never gets recognized lol

@arielcerecer142

3 жыл бұрын

Ow Im a newbie and my first job is WHM and I have like 60 coms but I thought I earned them but they probably just auto commed the healer u.u

Dancers, dancer dancer, bard, dancer dancer dancer. Lol. And me who decided to not lvl dancer and bard. Cool video btw. Keep it up. Make more content. Love to see your Sage guid when it comes out. Gonna be my new main for shure.

Wesk will/can you update the guide videos to 90 or are you going to make new lvl 80 - 90 vids for all the jobs when the new expansion comes out?

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

ShB guides will be completely irrelevant in 6.0. New guides will come

@mefoo263

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeskAlber Ok thank you.

I think a reward system for mentors that are active mentors (maybe some current badges that arent counted toward the weekly cap , maybe?) would be a good incentive to be a mentor and actually be useful. I remember when in EQ i got invited to be an assist gm , i sometimes would get random tell ( that were redirected from an already busy gm to me) and would help the player with his issues (usually camp related or bugs aka stuck) and i would get rated for it. In exchange i could teleport for free (a big deal not being a wiz or druid pre planes) and there would be a reduced fee for my monthly charge. I dont know just putting ideas in here.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if the assist GM stuff would work here but maybe it's worth a shot for them to try it. But as it is, I think the lack of rewards is fine beyond Mentor Roulette.

We don’t need the mentor system with creators such as you around, thanks for all the guides you make. Been playing off and on for a couple years now and I’m still not a great player but that’s due to my own faults, and physical ability (have really bad arthritis in my hands) but you have definitely helped me and others get that extra leg up in our gameplay.

@TheFreeshooter

2 жыл бұрын

The issue is that while content creators like Wesker make amazing guides, they aren't in game and therefore new players have to seek this information out of their own motivation.

@kohtas

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFreeshooter you just described every MMO in existence.

This is my first ever comment on youtube. I never really cared about youtube comments because they're often just spammy stuff, or just random people trying to push their own agenda. I'm pleasantly surprised that your channel has quality comments; must be because your videos are so helpful- so severely underrated and underwatched ;) Hope your channel grows, and the community grows positively around it. I think one of the issue about commendation is we're given the ability to commend anyone too early. As a beginner, it's incredibly hard to tell who is good and who is not (because you're just busy trying to learn...). So I naturally just gravitate towards cool looking people, friendly people, or just funny people. Even when I get better, that habit doesn't change :/

@WeskAlber

2 жыл бұрын

It's not any easier to tell who's good or not at higher levels unless you're a very experienced player who knows how to play all jobs. Which, expecting everyone to be good with every job is a bit rough an ask.

Regarding your point in the One Player is not All Players paragraph: there is plenty of people who say that novices who run around like headless chicken are the bane of this game. This doesn't make flaming mentors right, of course, but it's a behaviour I've seen a lot, at least on Chaos, especially when it comes down to alliance raids. My view on the matter is clearly biased, since I only lost my sprout status in December. However, I doubt that having to download ACT just to make sure I'm not sandbagging an entire instance like I've been told time and time again was part of the intended learning curve for this game. I guess my point is: people will attack other players based on their icon no matter what it is. At least the sprout icon can tell other players: "I'm new to the game, please be patient"; is there really a need for an icon that says, mid instance: "I'm an experienced player, you can ask me anything"? Especially if, as you said, some people's experience far surpasses their execution. [And before anyone assumes I'm flaming and/or boasting: I fall into this category as well: I know by heart the MSQ dungeons up to HW thanks to the time spent as a free trialer, but still clip my rotations big time when tackling content I don't know well. I doubt I'd be a good mentor.] I think I said this in the poll's comment section, but in my opinion the Crown icon shouldn't be shown at all times, like dungeons, trials, raids etc., but just when in the Novice Network or, idk, overworld.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

That's my point though. One person is not all people. Plenty of novices learn just fine. The ones that refuse to learn are their own section of people.

@petrus9067

3 жыл бұрын

People insulting or bickering novices in normal content are truly stupid, especially if they don't even try to explain the mechanics in a comprehensive manner. Just saying "A adds B belly C chains" for someone who started playing last week and reached WoD is not gonna be very helpful is it

Thanks for the videos. I am a newbie on gilgamesh, how do I find a mentor?

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

Look for the crown in towns, or use Player Search

Wesker sent me back here to watch this after a little back and forth in the comments of a mentor roulette video. I gotta say that I now understand why comms aren't a great requirement for mentors. And honestly, as a player who joined just before Endwalker, I had no idea the Novice Network was a manual invite. I'll have to start taking time to invite sprouts.

Could you put your "interjection track" up on Spotify? All jests aside, well said. The mentor system needs some work, but I propose no solution other than the sociatle issues you brought up.

Ok question: what if there was Two kinds of coms? The first are the normal coms, given by players, and then the second are coms given by the game itself? A good example of this can be taken from overwatch where the game gives medals , bronze - gold, depending on how well you did while the players can also give props to other players. I think this system can apply well to FF, where the game gives coms based on, for example DPS: Parc, max dps or even uptime Healer: Amount of healing/shielding Tank: Damage mitigation I don’t know what would be used for giving gameplay coms but those are some examples.

Man that interjection has me pissing myself laughing thank you Wesk

Ive blacklisted two healers with burger king crowns now bc they refused to use aoe heals and one of them had the audacity to tell the tank to pull more when she wasnt using Lilies, holy, or putting Aero on anything

I kinda forgot most of the stuff i was gonna say because i got sick and didn't feel like writing :') but i 100% agree with the fact that people take 1 or 2 bad experiences with mentors and apply it to all of them (or bad experiences in NN) and forget all the times that mentors act just like anyone else, or mentors who are not displaying the crown and are chill and helpful. And i think that indeed a wide variety in mentors is what makes the system good. A single person will not know everything about the game or how to explain it, that's why there can be 100 mentors in NN at a time. Also thanks for making your points about how it's hard to invite people to join, since i joined with a mentor friend and didn't even know you can invite by player search! Also in the original poll i was one of those who mentioned world name and how positive NN was x) i definitely liked the company, having random discussions and questions was nice, i would ask if SCH has any ogcd shields because i was curious, or how to unlock Ishgard restoration and people helped me find the quests necessary (just by writing and showing locations), and even tho being a novice i would occasionally answer stuff that i was confident in the answer. I met with someone to play triple tried for the first time by NN, i helped someone trhu Aurum Vale, etc. It was just a pretty chill place that i didn't mind seeing mostly the same active people and sometimes talk about random stuff. I did feel sad leaving it even ksjfkd either way i know, not every world is like that, sometimes there are really bad situations sadly :/ but that's why report is there! And this comment is already super long but i also find it funny you didn't even mention PVP mentorship and how it doesn't mean anything xD except that's a interesting situation about the symbols. Since there are so few pvp focused people, seeing someone with the pvp flag/crown at least identifies most of the time that this person is "one of us" lol. Idk how they could make pvp mentor an actual useful thing since there's almost no pvp in the game, besides including feat training and the other modes in Mentor roulette. That would be fun. And brings me to a question, do you plan on making a video about pvp even if it's the most basic stuff? Or do you feel like "nah there's probably better people to talk about this"? I would love to see your opinions on pvp :)

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

I.... forgot PVP mentor is a thing. And I don't PVP so I don't even know much of it

@petrus9067

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeskAlber probably forgot because it's like the same requirements for a PvE mentor.. and it doesn't mean much at all And i see! That's totally fine lol

I like the icon idea, I would make a good mentor but only for Black Mage as that's been my main from the get go, I know it inside and out and would happily help others become a good black mage. Stick me on any other job and I have to look up guides to make sure I'm doing the job properly >.

Is there any way to stop being a mentor after signing up?

Hello! I was considering becoming a mentor as I’ve had the ability too for a while, but honestly I was nervous about the responsibility that would befall me. I actually didn’t even know the novice network existed I have never seen anything about it before and I’ve been playing for a good couple of months at this point. I think I realize however that being a mentor doesn’t mean I’m the best of the best that can help everyone. I can still learn even as a mentor, I shouldn’t be afraid and I should realize that my knowledge can help other people even if not as much as fellow mentors. I have more to consider however and I probably won’t become a mentor right away. I want to ensure I’m properly able to help people before putting myself in a position to do so, but I definitely will be a lot more open in chats with mentors. If I can make them feel more comfortable with talking to me and thus other players, they may not feel so afraid to help us lol. Very informative video and I appreciate your feedback

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

That's the important bit. Help where you can, but continue to learn. Talk to people and become acquainted, and get novices wanting to join in too

I have a good experience with the novice network and mentors. I don't use it often, but when I did ask for help, I got it. I was carried through coils, guided through deep dungeons, and my UI questions were answered. Though there is drama in the NN, that is attributed to a troublesome few. When so many people gather in one place, of course there will be trolls and annoying people. That's how it is everywhere.

Ah man there is so much I want to say with regards to this video but honestly a KZread comment doesn't do it justice. As someone who actually has tutored and taught a class I agree with basically all of your points. And I feel like I could make my own 1 hour video providing my own experience to back up your claims. Also I feel like Wesk saw my point about the racism in NN and actually made a point to talk about it in the video and I appreciate that. Great video all around.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

Like I said, we had a flat-earther Nazi. We have our own experiences with racism lol...

Man the whole having to be invited to the network is really frustrating, heck I didn't even know about it before I got returner status. When you talk to the smith in hall of the novice the 3 subtopics about mentors and new adventurers should really be swapped. I remember talking to him seeing the options and going I can think about being a mentor after I do a dungeon bye.

A lot of the problems you mentioned, like crown-hate and daily abuse in the NN... doesn't seem to happen on Moogle, or on the rest of Chaos from what little I see when server-hopping. That might be down to a culture difference between the NA and EU servers, though. Not that we have no drama, but it's more of a monthly thing than daily.

Logged on today to see the network was currently full and was genuinely sad. On Marlboro I get nothing but a positive experience from the novice network playing as a returning player with a year off trying to relearn the game and onwards.

Well, now I know there’s a novice network! As a novice, I really wish the game would have put me in there automatically.

I was invited once 4 years ago had to make a new account never got invite ever again don't exist to me and seen 2 whole people with the icon just 2 in months of play they exist?

im not a mentor, but there was this one astro in World of Darkness, where they absolutely ignored me. i asked them to switch of noct sect since i was playing SCH. they were only using aspected benefic and and always out of mana, refused to listen to any advice i gave. im pretty sure they didnt even look at the chat. What hurts though is when i had looked at their search info. they had over 13 jobs at level 70 (me and my friends assumed they bought the level skips + story skip). and this was their first time in WoD. they got lost in the first boss arena for at least 3 minutes too. i wanted to help but they completely ignored me. just. aughh. it was by far the worst WoD ever.

@klopfer14000

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a experience I had a few weeks ago. Just replace World of Darkness with Puppets Bunker. And I wasn't the healer. We had two astros as healer, one astro asked the other about which sect they want to use so that the first one could change acordingly. But the bad astro never replied and didn't even use a sect apparently. I never played astro so I don't exactly know what refusing to choose a sect does for your toolkit, but according to the good astro in this group you just gimp yourself without any reason. And the dumbest thing about this raid was: at the very beginning the bad astro even admitted that he hasn't played as astro for a long time and he still refused to take the advice from another player.

play on elemental lol. I'm on Typhon. NN is pretty quiet. Tonberry and Kujata on the other hand is chatty but the good kind. Unicorn is pretty chatty with Japanese.

I'm a trade mentor, not because I'm that good at the game,but because I want to help people or even craft some stuff for some sprouts that are willing to accept help. I only turn the crown in closed parties tho, ppl tend to talk down on me when I have it on and even being resurrected/commended gets harder. In duty finder or random teams is like asking to play in hard mode. I recognise I'm not that good at fighting, that's why I prefer the trade icon, but to avoid a harder time I help without making use of the crown. .. I'm happy that a couple of sprout groups wanted to be my friends and invited me to the discord server, I believe that anyone can appreciate a helping hand, just if you're willing to give it or take it

I started the game not that long ago and I just closed all the stuff that came up going on about mentor this mentor that. I didn't want to join the novice chat or whatever it is because typing on PS4 is shit, so I gave that a miss. Don't feel like I've missed out on anything.

Love the mental breakdown from the contradiction of players making bad arguments, keep them coming 45:50 hahaha I love it

my only problem with novice network is that when I join a dungeon group, my chat defaults into the novice network instead of party chat. wtf?

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

It defaulted to NN when you logged in. You can also change the default chat anytime after you log in

Me lvl73 novice doing lvl63 Stormblood MSQ: "Wait... There is a novice network?" I mean, I knew there were mentors and they have own roulette, but I never knew about novice network. Maybe I didn't actively looked for it, since I play on a Japanese data center and my knowledge of Japanese is just enough to casually talk with members of my FC, but I'm not sure about actually taking advices ^_^.

Commenting mostly for the algorithm, but I fully agree that the mentor is currently a your mileage my very kind of system. I’ve had mentors in duty roulette who were healers who refused to DPS and yelled at me in party chat for making them do all the work as their cohealer. Even though the issue was I was using near entirely OGCD healing as Astro or Scholar, and so all they could see was me “Spamming Malefic/Broil.” Apparently if it’s not on my cast bar, I’m not actually healing. But I’ve also had extremely helpful, really skilled players as a mentor too. Who take the time to explain mechanics when asked and also just doing really well in their role. It’s unfortunate that the many bad experiences with mentors I’ve had stand out in my mind more. But… that’s the price of the unique icon I suppose

This reminds me when I tried to tell someone that peloton was an out of combat movement skill in the nicest way possible bc they kept using it *exclusively* in combat and never out, thus nullifying it's effect. When I pointed it out, they just said "I don't care" they were definitely not someone I would consider positive after that

Just started playing a few weeks ago, always wanted to join the novice network but I didn't know how to join LOL? I got most of my information watching your videos and google, but it feels pr artificial. I'd rather talk to a human about my questions :(

@Some__Guy

3 жыл бұрын

I think you talk to those npcs with the sprout banner above their head. I know there's one in the top floor of the Gridania airport place. Either that, or get invited by a mentor. Though to be fair, I never joined the NN, so I don't remember for sure.

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

@@Some__Guy to answer you both I showed it in the video in the my fixes section. Only way is for mentors to invite

@dantelundell9386

3 жыл бұрын

Shout in any capital city :)

I cant do savage at all, even if i feel at least to be starting to learn the game, the ping of where i live is really high, and i dont plan on entering a raid to mess up everyone

nice vid. will say 1 thing: reporting is good, but make sure to time the report so the GM doesn’t get in contact with you mid raid. you ever wipe the party during F14 2 because of the tell sound effect startling you? good times.

You literally taught me everything I know about jobs in this game from when I started in level 1 last year septmember, to me being level 80, now to me having dps , tank and healer at level 80. So I guess I'll listen to you talk for over an hour ,lmao

Mentors are just players too. And like anyone else, nobody knows everything. The trick is just recognizing that and sticking to your strengths. Help people on stuff you know and don't spew BS on stuff you don't know. In a sensible world, you'd think that ought to be pretty easy. For example, you mention macros early on in the video. Macros are generally not good for combat because of their non-queueing nature, but there's so much more nuance that people will benefit from knowing. A mentor (or anyone) being immediately dismissive doesn't provide any value. - Macros make non-queueing skills (sprint, LB) *more* responsive. You should be macroing these. - Macros are used extensively in high level feast for accurate targeting (silence the healer for 2s because you're trying to burst someone within the next gcd), and to avoid telegraphing target selection - Macros can often complement ground target skills, or skills that benefit from callouts (res, invuln, etc.) - Macros let you do a LOT of things you can't otherwise do; e.g., "/mk attack " gives you an auto incrementing target marker that automatically puts 1, 2, 3, etc. depending on what's available; "/c " lets you pull up peoples' profiles without clicking on them; and the list goes on... (I can honestly list like 20+ things)

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

Dismissiveness wasn't even mentioned. Being wary, was. And being wary is a good thing, because most newbies are asking about macros to macro skills together, which should never happen. - Macros would be value neutral for Sprint/LB in that case. Macros have no queueing either so I'm not seeing the point for that one. - I don't quite know how high level PVP is played but I feel like that's doable with the same effect as non-macro? How does that work. - Ground target skills become less responsive but it is a macro I do use. Raise macros 9/10 times are trash because they aren't "Raising " Any raise macro besides this, is bad. Further, half the time, both healers already used raised before the macro went off. Invulns you should tell the healer pre-pull if it's a dungeon but it could help inattentive healers if you need to in a Trial. - Marking stuff is useful in all of like, 1 trial. Kill orders aren't a thing outside Mog and you can type those commands without a macro. Macros aren't doing anything special. They're typing text.

@lr6891

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeskAlber I agree being wary is good. But in your example at 5:20, "why would you even want to know how to do that?" doesn't set things up for a nuanced discussion. I mostly see this kind of phrasing from people who just remember "macros=bad" at a very shallow level. The point is, macros are a great QoL tool. And like any other tool, you want to make the most of it when it makes sense (and avoid it when it doesn't). But the pre requisite to that is knowing how it works. - Macros are evaluated one line per frame. So when you repeat the thing you want to run 14-15 times, it gives you a mini queueing window of maybe 100~150ms depending on your fps, vs. nothing for pressing the button directly. - It's doable without macros too, in this case it's more of a preference that most people prefer. There are special placeholders for feast enemy targets - Marking is more about not overwriting existing markers. You can type them, but you can't compare pressing a button vs. stopping to type mid-combat. It's the difference between something viable and something not. Maybe I see things differently since I come from a software engineering background, but it reads like the less extreme version of saying code is nothing special because you can reproduce all the calculations by hand. Maybe I'm just personally wary of generalizations. For example when people ask about "what's the best stat for xxx" I make sure to briefly mention a lot of these recommendations are rough rules of thumb because of things like stat tiering, which they can search up if they're interested. I wouldn't want another mentor to say "why do you care about formulas? just meld in this order"

@WeskAlber

3 жыл бұрын

@@lr6891 I think you're looking too deep into my example, since I didn't want to spend forever talking about macros in a Mentor based video. but I also think that you have to give examples... proves my point.

@johannesmuller6237

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeskAlber So basically: Macros have their use, but not in a Rotation. Use them to do things like Prep the Arena, Trigger Pull-Timers, Post the most important Mechanics into Chat or run a Crafting-Session.

I have no issues with the requirements other than the commendations needed. I personally love the mentor roulette. It's the only roulette besides trials that doesn't bore me.

I'm a (trade) mentor that don't usually use the NN to chat, and I only answer the occasional question when I'm sure of the answer and/or when no one answers it first. I do feel like trade mentors are not taken as seriously as "real" mentors, since it's so easy to get, so I honestly don't feel confident enough to answer complex questions or help people with a lot of content...you didn't talk about it in the video, but I do wish the requirements for trade mentors were higher, not only because it's so easy and there's a lot of sprouts that are able to get it before even losing the sprout, but also because being a little more time consuming would make trade mentors be taken more seriously. Even though I love crafting, it's one of the main things I do in game, I feel like it doesn't mean anything. People don't look at it and think "oh, she's a crafter, maybe she could help me!", they probably think "easiest way to get to NN huh". So it feels embarassing to leave the icon on. Like I'm bragging over nothing. Other than that, I love the system. Mentors helped me a lot when I was just starting out, and it's fun to read the NN, get to know how people are in that server and feel like a part of the community.

While, I do think there are a handful of issues, the biggest issue I have is the separation of mentor ships, or rather the lack there of. Some people probably think splitting the Crafting/Gathering mentorships from Battle mentorships is enough, but I personally feel like PvP should be split off into it’s own separate mentorship, because PvP is VERY different PvE in XIV. And there are a lot of knowledgeable and helpful people in PvP who don’t meet the requirements for mentorship as is. As for current mentors, there are certainly bad apples, that much is true in every group of people over a certain size, what that size is, I couldn’t tell you, unless mentors are curated to a very specific degree. I think there is no perfect mentor system, and I think XIV has one of the better ones, people who wear the crown put themselves out there for all kinds of shit, but that’s hopefully because they want people to come to them for betterment. I personally don’t make the cut for mentorship but I still do my best to help, because once I can make the cut, I can set myself as an example