Knowing the time and effort into this video it’s probably one of the most informative videos on KZread. Quality video brother truly the Sig Mechanic

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

No Scott, thank you! I wouldn’t have been able to do this project without you.

Would love to see your data on an excel file in a public facing Google drive so it's easier to compare the data

@wbalcom2974

6 ай бұрын

Ditto

@nemmayol

Ай бұрын

I made a sheet yesterday along with a bar chart displaying the results, I Did not use all the data points, just distance to break, reset and peak force. Maybe @SIGMECHANICS will say that I am not using all of the correct data points to select a trigger and I need to include another data point!

@SIGMECHANICS

Ай бұрын

@nemmayol that’s great! Is it available anywhere?

The time, thought and attention to detail you put into this is amazing. Thank you!!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! This video took a year to make, I’ve been acquiring triggers for this since the channel started. I’ve always wanted to make this video, I’m glad it’s finally out!

You did a very complete analysis of the P320 trigger. I think you need another video explaining how these stats affect the shooter. There is a very large amount of data and many just don't understand how it effect them. Again fantastic job!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! I did start to include something like this in that video but it got a bit too long so I cut it out. I’m right there with you though, I feel that I should do an update video purely for that. Thanks!

This is phenomenal. The first time someone quantified how the triggers behave. This is a great class for engineering! Thanks for all your curiosity and effort!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Fantastic technical deep dive! Your time and effort is greatly appreciated!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Another great video! Excellent precision/detail once again. Keep up the superb work!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

This is great stuff. Really appreciate all the work and effort put into this!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated! Thanks.

Came here from reddit. The data provided here is legendary! Definitely saving this video for future reference.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Great to have you!

So much information cram packed into an excellent video. I love this stuff. Now I feel compelled to try a handful of triggers for my 320build

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Well, I would need to figure out how to do it but, I’m thinking I need to do some trigger giveaways soon because I have way too many triggers!

Where has this been my whole Sig life?!?! Great 3-D animations!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Well, I’ve only just been around for a little over a year, but if you stick with me I promise things we’ll only get better!

I’m loving this channel. Can you do some more coverage on the P365?

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I actually just finished the 3D model for the 365 today! Videos incoming.

@NoProJoJo

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS yasssssss

@computer_carnivore

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS I’ve been waiting so long for this!!!

This was very impressive. Thank you for all that you do for the Sig community.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, it’s truly my pleasure.

Awesome video. Just ordered and empire to try out. Also ordered reduced power sear springs and increased trigger return spring. Can wait to try it out. Thanks

Love this! The amount of work you've done here is incredible and very much appreciated. You've got a subscriber in me!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Glad to have to here! And thank you for the kind words.

WOW!! Incredible video. Thank you for the time and effort that you put into this to help us all out.

@SIGMECHANICS

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

Wow! Very informative! One of the best, if not the best, video pertaining triggers. You've just made a subscriber! Thank you!

@SIGMECHANICS

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad to have you here!!

Thank you so much for making this video. I was so on the fence about all the triggers i was looking at and now i know which one i want to buy. Thanks for the effort. You probably saved me a few hundred in needing to swap out triggers lol

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! I felt the same way before, with so many options out there and more on the way!

Such a thorough and amazing video. Very objective presentation of data. Thank you. 👏

@SIGMECHANICS

3 ай бұрын

Thank you! Thanks for watching!!

Love this analysis!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

That was fascinating!

this video is so great and detailed

@SIGMECHANICS

9 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Wow! My guy really put in the work for all of us on this one

@SIGMECHANICS

10 ай бұрын

It took a whole year to get all the triggers but I’m glad I finally got to test them all for you!

absolutely perfect ive been holding off buying since i simply didnt know what information to look for

Thanks for putting in the time for putting all this together

@SIGMECHANICS

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@roketman600

3 ай бұрын

​@SIGMECHANICS I just bought an x carry but do not want to spend half of what the gun is worth, what do u recommend?

Great video, thanks for all the info. This had to took you a long time to make this video, constantly changing out the trigger shoe.

@SIGMECHANICS

10 ай бұрын

It took about a year to gather all the triggers and a few more weeks to test them all and document the output. I did it because I saw how many people kept asking the question “how does X trigger perform”, and I wanted to give the community the ultimate guide! Thanks for watching!!

I LOVE DATA AND MODELING DATA! Very satisfying video, TY.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thanks again!

Yes YOU ARE the "SIG MECHANIC" well-done, very professionally done and absolute info needed that we'll get nowhere else but from you. Thank you and Kudos!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! That video took a year to make but I am so happy to have it out for the community to use! Some interesting information coming out soon as well inspired by this video (for better or worse) it’s going to help this community understand their guns better.

@designated_hitter_EGA

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS ...Again, thank you sir, for sharing your hard work!

this helps me a lot every time thank you!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad to hear it!

Nice work !👍👍

Amazing video!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

An amazing effort! Thank you.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Hey John, good to hear from you again. Thanks! This was my hardest video to make as it actually took a little over a year to obtain every trigger (those discontinued ones are a pain to find). Now that the video is up and I’m getting such great responses, it all feels worth it.

@johnstewart2011

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS I can only imagine what a task it was to acquire all those triggers.

@Ca11MeBubba

Жыл бұрын

@John Stewart 👈🏼This guy👌🏼

Well done!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Your unbiased review is the most neutral I have ever seen bro. ❤ I love you

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

well done sir.

Awesome video!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@rubyguidry7550

Жыл бұрын

This is why I love Sig products and the Sig people. Thank you.

Amazing content

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! There’s actually a small update coming soon for this video. Stay tuned!

I don't own a 320 but I found this presentation absolutely fascinating. I'll probably refer back to it in the future. Great content.

@SIGMECHANICS

3 ай бұрын

Wow, that’s very nice of you to say! Thank you. Once you get your P320, if you ever have any questions feel free to message me.

Fantastic job. I was however waiting for a grand prize winner at the end, even though I understand there is no such thing because it's subjective, but it's still fun none-the-less.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I know. I generally try to keep the channel strictly to the facts and avoid making it a competitive thing, people like what they like and I want to foster a positive community “vibe”. However, many people have asked me to put something together similar to what you’re asking, and I feel like it is a fantastic idea, as it only promotes the facts in the video. So keep an eye out I will put something out soon!

Remarkable. I was just looking at getting a new trigger today

My man. Wow. You did a fantastic job and quick too. A little too quick lol. Thx for sharing your knowledge

I have the m17 variant of the p230 and its amazing when you say it paints a picture of what I feel. I looked at that chart and Knew that feeling. This was amazing. I loved the ending where you explained the way the fun fires. I can find the Glock styled diagrams but not the sig.

@SIGMECHANICS

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! It took a whole year to make that video, so I’m always happy to hear someone found it useful!

Good work

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

It's pricey but tough to beat that TSA trigger kit. I get pretty close results with AC spring tuning, apex trigger bar, gray guns adjustable trigger, and some DIY sear adjustments and polishing. Thanks to your DIY competition trigger video!

Great Video with great data! It would be interesting to see once you include the complete kits (ie Apex, Grey Guns, Sig Armorer and any others). I do love the videos and the grat content!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ll see what I can do.

Just WOW... lot's of data here. Thank you

@SIGMECHANICS

6 ай бұрын

Thank YOU for watching!

Amazing job. Would love to see a similar video conducted including the use of the Apex trigger bar. As I've read the Apex trigger bar increases the pull weight, with some models, but is overall designed to reduce travel distance.

@SIGMECHANICS

11 ай бұрын

Yes, that is correct. I will try to test all of the trigger assemblies over time.

Thank you for testing trigger of sig It makes me to decision for buying a trigger

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad I could help!

This is a phenomenal video! I would love to see which triggers are compatible with the Apex Trigger Bar, and the trigger bar's effects shown through the tester.

I saw in another comment that you completed a model for the P365. That’s so exciting! I’d love to see a similar dataset for that model

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Yes I did! I’m looking forward to working on the 365. I’ll start making a few simpler videos to start soon, then get into these larger projects.

Your videos are the most informative in a simple way on KZread. I figured out the basic operation of the Sig FCU but your videos helped smooth out my ruff edges. If you don't mind a little creative criticism you might want to use a snap cap to prevent downward motion of the slide that contributes to creep. Just a suggestion.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I’m so glad to hear it. I really do strive to keep it simple but also balance that with bombarding you with data and information. It’s hard sometimes but seems to be working so far! As for the snap cap, each test was done with 10 snap cap cartridges (in order to max out spring tension), therefore, what you are seeing is the natural movement of the sear/striker interacting like in all striker fired pistols.

@garymccausland1272

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS I did a demonstration for some of my club members at the range that said P 320s are prone to discharging with out pulling the trigger. I took my three P 320s in, one factory original, one slightly modified and one heavily modified. With the lower part of the slide cover cut off giving me access to the sear. I then chambered a primed case, no power or projectile. I then pushed down on the sear and released the striker. The primer didn't go off, there wasn't even a mark on the primer. I did this to all three guns proving the striker block did it job in each case and that the Sig Sauer P320 is safe. I'm going to make a video of it to quiet the less informed. But if you beat me to it that's fine with me. I know you can do a better job of it than me. Regards Gary

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

@@garymccausland1272 Thanks! I haven’t gone as far as putting in a primed cartridge in but I have tested this in other videos. Definitely put out a video if you can, this is important for the community and I think it will be appreciated.

Crazy to see the different break-angles. Have heard it's different on different P320 triggers, but never expected some of them to be so far outside the range of others. Some break around 90 and some break far beyond that (give or take)... and some even appear to start at about 90 (or even beyond that). Just never noticed that before not having really ever seen them being compared. Have probably see videos with all of them, but just never together (or in this way).

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

The Dynamic Arms triggers had a break so far back that without a mag inserted, one of them wouldn’t even break! It was interesting to see them all.

I love you thank you 😊

Please do a video on your polishing methods, your parts came out incredible!

@SIGMECHANICS

Ай бұрын

I will!

Incredible work Sir! You are creating high value… Any chance you can test full tricker kit systems for those companies that provide them?

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t heard of a trucker kit, can you send me a link? Also, yes, I have considered this for other parts kits.

@The-BCC

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS lol a little miss spell full “trigger” kit systems.

My favorite measurement of a trigger is RESET. It is my understanding that the distance to reset and overall travel distance is the most important to rapid shooting.

Would of liked to see the apex full kit thrown in there for fun to see how much the bar and accessories change up the stats, thx for the vid anyways

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I know, I need to get that tested, it’s such a common question! Thanks.

Geeking out big time! 🤓 So much data, will there be a pdf available for reference? Thank you for these awesome videos!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I’ll work on something. Let me know if you have input on the method I should display the data in the reference chart.

@mikestilinovich8641

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS Great work, thanks. I'm by no means a stat guy but possibly a breakdown of trigger weight lowest to highest, travel least to most, etc., etc. Yeah I realize 😁 it's a lot of work. Thanks again.

@FionaHurtsFeelings

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICSI’d say an excel file, formatted as a table with headers, so that each viewer can sort the data as they wish. I’d be happy to help put it together! I’ll comment on the SigTalk thread 😉

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Sure that sounds great.

Would love to see the comparison between gray guns and Apex with all the other components installed

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

You could have a channel just for documenting manufactures triggers. I would like to see the P320's competition, such as Rival S and Q5.

One problem I have discovered with the 320 trigger weight is that there is no consistency in trigger pull weight. I have examined over a dozen 320’s (pre and post upgrade) I found that there was a variation from 4.4 to 8.5 pounds. Also, owners of 320’s need to be careful choosing kydex holsters since different trigger designs can cause a conflict with the groove of the trigger used in the mold to make the holster. If a straight trigger is put into a curved trigger molded holster, it can cause trigger movement disengaging the internal safety lock tab as if only needs about 1.35 mm of travel for it to disengage. I would like to see you take 10 stock identical 320’s and use this machine to see what consistency you get.

Amazing video that must have taken a lot of work and time. Before I watched it I was thinking to buy a trigger from agency arms for a better sense of safety. But now I'm wondering if it's worth it.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

It took just over a year to get this video out there. I’m looking to do a follow up as well to break this info down further.

@maybe5883

7 ай бұрын

I own two p320s and was considering doing the same, but like you, think it may be unnecessary.

Can you do a video comparison between the trigger replacement alone and the trigger replacement with additional replacement parts? Like Apex trigger vs Apex trigger and kit?

I would absolutely LOVE to see an excel sheet with this data / a better way to compare this amazing but diverse data! It would greatly greatly help to decide which I want! Secondly I would absolutely absolutely love a video on the apex trigger kit! No just how it works mechanically, but the proformance you get from it. I can't find anyone that isn't just showing it off but actually showing it pros and cons! Especially compared to a stock trigger and a few other respectable trigger jobs! I want it but I can't find any ACTUAL reviews!

@SIGMECHANICS

4 ай бұрын

I wish I had the time to put more content out there! I do intend to re-visit this (hopefully this year) to make an excel for you guys!

@ak_mayhemp8946

4 ай бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS would absolutely absolutely love that!

I also like that you didn’t state good vs bad and only presented the data.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I of course have my own opinions, but when it comes to the content I put out on the Sig Mechanics channel, I want it to be independent of my thoughts. I generally try to just share raw data. Over time, i’m hoping this then can be the go to source for information on the various Sig guns because of this.

@ErikS308

Жыл бұрын

I picked one based on your past videos. My choice is in this video. I wouldn’t point out some of the data doesn’t reflect that some triggers can be tuned via adjusting set screws that dial in the pre/over travel. That is huge.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

@@ErikS308 yeah, in this video I tuned to manufacture specs, but I could have tightened it more if I wasn’t trying to avoid tuning to my own settings. Also, most people don’t know this but you ARE affecting safety when using tu able triggers… video on that coming soon.

@ErikS308

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS Absolutely. Taking up pretravel will affect the drop safety as soon as you get into the sear block getting pushed up by the trigger movement. Plus there is no fudge factor in handling the weapon because you don't have the "prep the trigger" action that is taught by some instructors. Be careful.

Great channel. Port your channel to Rumble also because KZread is going to notice your feed and shut the technical data off. They will scream “construction” and give you strikes.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

You are not the first to warn me about this, and I have looked into it. Just need to get it done in order to protect the future of this channel.

Excellent analysis 👍👍 BUT consider Lubrication The type of lubricant VS dry, dirty condition. Temperature?

I love this level of detail! Any chance you’d consider sharing this information in a shared Google sheet or similar?

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I can do that. I’m just trying to think about what’s the best way to create the chart with everything on it.

@NoProJoJo

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS I think I love you

@NoProJoJo

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS I would honestly love if you just threw all the data in a sheet with each row being a different trigger. Then we can sort, filter, make charts, etc to our hearts’ content. Plus less work for you lol

@ErikS308

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS A poster above did it for us and put it on google.docs great chart too

could you do a best-tune trigger video

So basically Armory Craft wins again😂👌🔥 great video bud.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Depending on what your trying to get out of your FCU. There’s no doubt that adjustable triggers have the advantage. (If you’re not considering lock lever engagement).

@CycloneGunworks

Жыл бұрын

@SIGMECHANICS absolutely, I was just kidding anyways but I put the AC adj on my Gucci flush comp build. Installed all the parts by my self thanks to you bro.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

@@CycloneGunworks Ha! Of course! You know I try to keep it neutral, (but I too have my preferences on my builds). The AC is popular for a reason…it’s just simply a great trigger!

This information is nurotic in nature! I love it you are crazy! It's awesome....👍💯

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Not sure what to say to that… I guess I’ll just lean into my insanity and make more videos. Thanks!

@hopewilliams6705

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS Exactly... I meant that as a compliment... I apologize I truly meant that as praise thinking of all the time and preparation it took and man hours involved!

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

@@hopewilliams6705 lol, I know what you meant. I was trying to be funny too, but it’s hard to convey tone on text. This video really was the hardest one to make yet…took a whole year!

@hopewilliams6705

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS I understand it did make me laugh I was just clarifying because some people don't get my dark humor

Would be nice to have a list of lightest pull, shortest distance traveled, etc. Maybe a top 5 of each in a pinned comment to compare more easily?

@SIGMECHANICS

11 ай бұрын

I have been putting something together to share with the community. Thanks for watching!

I’d love to see how a trigger changes with round count

@bhief473

Жыл бұрын

Yes, 500,1000 and 5000 would be interesting

First of what an incredible video. Thank you so much for all that effort! I was wondering if there was any chance you might know or could test to find out how much a trigger can weigh and still be drop safe? In other words, are you able to find out at what weight triggers fail drop test? Like the Empire Stiletto seems to be too heavy to pass drop safe unless you remove curved part, then again, I could be completely wrong and both could be safe.

@SIGMECHANICS

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! That’s an interesting thought, I assume the current design is the absolute max weight needed to guarantee fixing the problem, I wonder what the absolute minimum is! I’ll add it to my list of future video ideas!!

Where did you get your internal animation? The reason I ask is that the sear face on the upgraded version isn’t that tall shown in your animation compared to the striker foot contact surface. It is however taller on the non upgraded one.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I made the parts based off the original factory components. The sizes are all exact 1:1 however it could be that the camera perspective makes it look bigger than it is.

On the armory craft adjustable, was the trigger adjusted so you removed as much take up as possible?

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I adjusted per the manufacture specs (I called them for the walkthrough in order to make sure it was as close to how they recommend as possible). This was done for all adjustable triggers.

I watched your video about all triggers for the sig p320. I didn't realize there were that many. I have a sig 320 compact, that I have modified with a threaded barrel, compensator, custom recoil springs, holographic sights, and rubber slide on grips. I do not carry it very often, it's mainly used for going to the range and home security. And of course, trying to outdo my big brother. Which trigger do you think would be the best for this scenario? Small info background, I have a lot of experience with very accurate rifles and standard handguns, military background. Just trying to cut to the chase so I don't have to buy a handful of triggers to find something I like. I do have a sensitive finger. Would love to know your feedback. Thank you for input in advance.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I think if you sometimes carry, and not exclusively use it for fun, you should stick to stock or non adjustable triggers. Curved and skeletonized factory are my favourites. If you want to tune, I found Keres (Centurion) to be really great, but if you want a bit of “best of both” I’d go with a Grayguns trigger, which can be tuned for over travel but will not do anything for take up. (Which is good for carry). Of course there’s no one “right” answer as it’s ultimately personal preference.

@martyf8484

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS excellent information. I will do some research on the triggers you suggested.

Can you share excel file with this results?

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I will see about making one. Any suggestions for how the data should be shared/displayed?

Which combo would have the lowest peak force, fastest creep/brake and least over travel and least pretravel all together? Ie armory craft adjustable trigger with Apex trigger bar and changing out sear spring for a -20?

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I’d have to test triggers with the various “kits” but I also plan on doing a follow up video with additional information that might answer your question.

Not sure if I missed it, but is there a spreadsheet/list that lines them up or lists them from best to worst in their respective attributes?

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

No, but I can do that. I just wouldn’t know where to share it.

@PrestleyPlays

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS Maybe as an imgur link/album, then adding as a link in the description, and pinning a comment mentioning additional info.?

@Teabagz4fun

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS Either a “Part 2” video breaking it down, or even as a page with images/downloadable pdf files? I do apologize if I added more work. 😓

@NoProJoJo

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS I vote Google Sheets. Then we can sort the data ourselves, but you can keep it up to date and lock us from making changes

This might be an area you dont want to touch, because you dont want to be seen as saying parts are safe to use together, but id love to see info that on parts compatability. Like using the grayguns trigger and sear, with the apex bar and /or sig armorer parts.

@SIGMECHANICS

Ай бұрын

I did want to do something like that, but the logistics of trying to pair so many combinations makes it unlikely. I might have to do something where I will test specific combinations or parts per subscriber requests just for fun on the side.

@LyleH-13

Ай бұрын

@SIGMECHANICS I try to avoid posting the drama and rivalries and things manufacturers have posted , but I specifically have thought about using the Grayguns trigger and sear, with the striker and trigger bar from The Sig Armorer. I'd love to see the safety values and benefits of such a choice because the Grayguns sear is a superior material and its been said that the 17-4 is not a prime material for a sear.

@LyleH-13

Ай бұрын

It seems like a very niche choice, but such a video would be a premium choice when trying to benefit the pitfalls of mixing manufacturers because it seems like an extreme case. The sig armorer doesn't list it, but they will sell individual parts.

I'm waiting/ Hoping someone can make something that gets rid of the "thunk" or "thud" feeling the p320 has when the trigger breaks. I wish it had more of a "Click" or "Snap" like the VP9

Could you do a video on difference on sear housing differences

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Which sear houses would you like to know about?

@josesalceda9503

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS how they are different ones and which one is better or are there any differences Sig Sauer P320 Sear Housing w/Safety Lever Cut has a stamped number 981 Sig Sauer P320 Sear Housing stamped number 2733

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Oh, I see. The sear houses have changed, over time, but they are not going to make a difference. The standings you see on the different housing are only an internal reference to which supplier or batch was used (parts are not all made in the same places). Therefore the numbers don’t mean anything to the general public.

Dang, that's a ton of triggers!

Does the Agency Arms trigger shoe actually work and make the Sig p320 safer? Do you have a video testing Agency Arms claims?

@SIGMECHANICS

10 ай бұрын

It does work, the design is pretty good for the problem it’s trying to solve (which is for the market that likes to have the added degree of safety on the trigger). The overall design however does not give it a great performance output however as you can see in the results.

@JW02828

10 ай бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS I'm not too interested in added performance, just another layer of safety since I have a model without a manual safety.

oh man. the results are not what I wanted to believe. Any chance youll do the same with the few available aftermarket internal kits, like facing the GG sear vs TSA sear, without any of the other parts that the kit includes.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I have considered the kits too. I just need to find them all.

Have you figured out how to make the “switch” that we hear in the news about with that Austrian gun? Asking for a friend.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Never heard of it… stay tuned.

Hi. Great material. Fast question - is upgrade the oem skeletonized flat trigger in x5 legion to apex flat (without trigger bar upgrade) changes anything for better? Especially reset? Thx 🙏

@SIGMECHANICS

6 ай бұрын

Reset with the Apex would probably be better if you use the stop tube, however, if you installed the tube with the Sig skeletonized trigger you would also get an improvement, if you have both I would test to see which one works best for you.

@krzysztofflorczak161

6 ай бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS Thank U for your answer. One more question if U can help. Could U tell me a dimensions of this stop tube? In my country I can’t buy this set… maybe I can find wright tube (Alu or steel) elsewhere. Thank U so much.☺️

@SIGMECHANICS

6 ай бұрын

@krzysztofflorczak161 I don’t have that information on hand but I remember giving it in detail on my video about the “Secrets of the Apex Forward Set Trigger Bar”, you’ll find that dimension in there for sure,

@krzysztofflorczak161

6 ай бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICSThank U ❤

@krzysztofflorczak161

6 ай бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS sorry for my question, but i don’t know what purpose this spring from original set have? Can I use a longer tube without this spring?

Is the skeletonized trigger tested in the video the same trigger on the Legion? If so, this test shows it’s much heavier than what most people report the trigger weight to be.

@SIGMECHANICS

11 ай бұрын

Yes it’s the exact same. The one in the video is from a custom works FCU, so the colour is different but the part is the same.

@Heygujvff

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the reply, do you have any idea why most report a 3-4lb pull weight? I’m curious as to why the vertical axis skips around from 2 to 3lb increments. Does the device output the data this way automatically?

@SIGMECHANICS

11 ай бұрын

The only thing I could think of would be that almost all the tests that you see are done by human hands, using a handheld device, whereas in this video, everything was done mechanically with a computer with no input from a human. Meaning, the pulls are extremely consistent and there is no jerking motion. The direction of travel is the same throughout the entire trigger pull. All that to say, there’s a likelihood that the trigger scan will output substantially more accurate results and the difference you are seeing is actually the real outputs. I of course did not show this but I actually ran 3 tests for each trigger to assure the pulls were consistent all the way through. So what you see is truly what you are getting.

@Heygujvff

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@SIGMECHANICS I did a little research on Sigs website. They claim the skeletonized trigger provides a 30% reduction in pull weight vs the stock flat trigger. Yet your test seems to show the opposite effect. 4.8lbs for the regular flat triggers vs 6.1lbs for the skeleton version (the graph shows 5lbs but the results are reported at over 6lbs). Could this be an instal or calibration error in your testing? I have a legion and although I don’t have any equipment to test things and can definitely feel a reduction in trigger pull weight vs the other sig triggers tested here.

@SIGMECHANICS

11 ай бұрын

Ah, thank you! That looks to be an error in the chart!! I looked at the graph and I can see it was closer to 5lbs (maybe just below that even), but it looks like that 6lb was brought forward from the trigger before it. I will have to see if I can fix that in the video or provide a note in there. That was an excellent catch! I’m surprised this is the first time anyone had mentioned this in over 11 thousand views!

But which is the best one

@SIGMECHANICS

3 ай бұрын

Honestly, it’s very subjective. My preference is the skeletonized Sig trigger but ultimately it’s “what you like”. However I would recommend you watch my video about how adjustable triggers remove ~50% of the internal safety of not tuned properly!

I have a flat trigger how do u know what u have they all look the same

@SIGMECHANICS

8 ай бұрын

I tried to use pictures that can help show you the defining characteristics, though there are LOTS of flat triggers, so it’s hard to tell without seeing them up clad sometimes.

I just need to know what’s the best trigger.

@SIGMECHANICS

Ай бұрын

It’s very hard to tell you one. As you can see the adjustable ones are “best”, but considering that they remove 50% of your striker safety, I would choose the stock skeletal trigger (personally).

@Ruby_Sterling

Ай бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS thank you!

I haven't watched the entire video to see all triggers tested. From what i can tell from the intro scene with all the triggers staged, i couldn't identify the trigger from keres dynamics llc which is dual adjustable. The triggers are hard to come by.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

I have three Keres triggers in the video. Take a quick look at the video description and I’ve cataloged each on with time stamps so you can jump to whichever one you want to look at.

@ebms1116

Жыл бұрын

​@@SIGMECHANICSmy apologies, you sir are extremely thorough. I'll definitely watch the entire video and the other content on your channel. You have a new subscriber.

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

No worries! It’s a lot of information so I understand when things get buried. Thanks for subscribing, glad to have you in the community!

So im new to sig I got a sig p320 carry and the trigger I hated it I like a real crisp candy cane break ,no creep I've always been a glock guy and not their stock triggers but upgrade apex so I put in the apex forward reset trigger straight I can feel less creep and little more break but I'm not impressed what is a good trigger to upgrade for sig p320 carry

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

While there’s no way to truly get a 1911 break on a striker fired pistol, there are modifications that can be done to the internals that can greatly increase the general feel. It would be difficult to describe it in text, but I will make a video showing those mods which can technically be done alongside any of the trigger choices you make. However, I just want to add that I would never advocate mods to a carry.

@forgodandcountry222

Жыл бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS thats what my 1911 is for or my glock 19 ,or g43 ,sig 365 list goes on for days ,it's just the sig p320 I bought is called carry version that's why I put that,what do you mean, never carry mods for carry I think you dais ?thanks for response love your videos man

@forgodandcountry222

Жыл бұрын

It's the 3.9 version barrel I originally had a medium modular frame went to a small much better fit for Me

@forgodandcountry222

Жыл бұрын

Pew,pew pew Colin says the Opposite on mod's to carry but ,I quess it all matter if you trust your work all my glocks have upgraded triggers and in 10 year never have had a fail to fire ever I just want to know best trigger upgrade for the p320 or your opion on best trigger you seemed to ve very well educated in the sig very detailed as a Amateur gunsmith Smith even I have to pause and look up part of what your saying lol definitely got it down im not computer savy so if I misunderstood your question I apologize

@SIGMECHANICS

Жыл бұрын

Oh I see. I thought you were using it as a EDC. I understand now.

So what’s the best trigger?

@SIGMECHANICS

6 ай бұрын

I know it’s not a definitive answer, but it all ends up coming down to preference. I personally like the stock triggers and use the skeletonized one on my P320s but each one had a pro and con comparatively. (Maybe with exception to the Dynamic Arms trigger, it felt truly awful and might have been engineered for pre-upgrade P320s).

@darknightbegins85

6 ай бұрын

@@SIGMECHANICS have you ever had work done by Robert Burke on these? I hear great things.

@SIGMECHANICS

6 ай бұрын

@darknightbegins85 Robert and I are good friends, I even helped him re-design his armorers block V2! I have played with his designs and if you’re interested, he has a kit that basically contains all the parts (pre-finished by Robert) you need to get your gun to his specs, it’s a great way to get his trigger job without having to ship your gun to him.

AC

Mcarbo.trigger looks amazing