Updated information will go here as they come, in the meantime, thank you all for 50k

@TheManOfMyriad

Ай бұрын

Thanks lad. Watched the first video a month ago, and this is a welcome upgrade now that I'm on another "War thunder" interest phase

@jamesdziegiel1041

Ай бұрын

Great video but you’ve forgotten about the short fin stabilised sabot found primarily on Soviet tanks

@anrw886

Ай бұрын

You forgot the PELE-T round on the gripen AHHHHH

@anrw886

Ай бұрын

Gripen is a tank!!

@6489Tankman

Ай бұрын

My left ear liked it

Only OGs now he already made one 4 years ago

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

Gaijoob decided to add a bunch of new shells, so you know I had to make a reloaded version 😎

@TheBingusZone

Ай бұрын

“Only ogs now”

@23falloutgodofwar

Ай бұрын

@@skDoger I remember watching your OG ones. (If I remember correctly, there were 2.) And now the rounds have honestly changed quite a bit like the HESH.

@hansiminator69

Ай бұрын

I remember…! These memories when I didn’t know how the game worked :)

@user-rb1ck6ox8i

Ай бұрын

I remember it

Im just glad its a legit high quality and informative video posted on today, the day of clickbait and lies

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

Only the best for my viewers

@dylanking-1036

Ай бұрын

Am I a viewer?​@@skDoger

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

@@dylanking-1036 Absolutely

@r7asj

Ай бұрын

@@dylanking-1036 no

@insertcringe2220

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately, a lot of the information is very inaccurate, sometimes borderline incorrect

visuals improved seriously

I was expecting this to be some sorta April fools thing with whacky info but instead it's just a very well put together guide. My expectations have been pranked.

Even though SAM is not explained here, I think it's worth noting the Starstreak is probably the only APHEFSDS missile in the entire game, since it launches 3 guided darts with around 450 grams of explosive material inside them.

@lemons1559

Ай бұрын

Sabot sold separately (does not exist)

I literally just watched your previous shell guides 30 mins ago, this is crazy

German 128mm be like: 128mm aphecbc-ds

@Ivanushka9937

18 күн бұрын

FS AP CR HESH I C BC SC DS shell

@user-Nerd72ekd82kw

6 күн бұрын

Apheshcbcfsdsrcrac Or... Armor piercing high explosive squash head fin stabilized discarding sabot rocket composite-rigid anti concrete

Used this video to write a essay for my friend to learn war thunder (he doesnt learn visually so the video wouldnt have stuck). So happy to see a new version released since its also good background noise

So quick thing, APC shells do NOT normalize, this is a myth. The purpose of the cap is to slow the round down on impact to prevent the shell shattering at high speeds.

@fabians7751

Ай бұрын

Youre correct. However, skdoger is also correct. There are different types of those caps with different effects. In terms of gameplay however, it's not wrong to assume that all APC shells normalize, as the shatter protection caps fell out of favor soon after WW1 due to needing low armor angles to have any impact, as well as improved metallurgy negating the effect of those shatter protection caps with tougher armor.

@flipallthetables793

Ай бұрын

@@fabians7751 "In terms of gameplay however, it's not wrong to assume that all APC shells normalize" It is wrong though. Out of all the basic AP types (uncapped sharp nose, capped sharp nose, uncapped blunt nose), capped rounds have generally the worse slope modifiers at higher angles.

@ch4z_bucks

7 күн бұрын

​@@fabians7751Unfortunately this is not true, the APC shells in the game do not normalise against armour. They actually dig in and travel with the angle of the armour, not against it like you would to normalise. This is typical of a lot of APC shells

This is a Yakuza moment of all time

I sent the old one to all of my friends, but now, i need to send them that. Thx for the video, it made my life way easier to explain to my friends who just started playing. 😊

@bensundermann6553

Ай бұрын

Yes. Trying to teach a friend

i watched this for over 10 minutes before i realized it was an april fool's joke lmao

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

Very elaborate April Fool's joke hehe

@jpppe

Ай бұрын

@@skDogerwas the joke you never upload I don’t get it :/

@hector_salamander

29 күн бұрын

​@@skDogerwhat is the joke

@Taijitu527

26 күн бұрын

Even if this was a Jk, its Useful to Know how new shells works

The thing is is that this is stuff I already know, but it gets my nerdy little tank brain all exited to see it all explained and laid out perfectly in a video.

The VOG on the bmp 2 m has so little explosive filler that it doesn't actually break terrain objects like fences or trees It also doesn't do any damage to tracks at all or very very little. It's practically useless other than using it for blinding the enemy if you shoot them so the gernade detonates and makes a very small dust cloud

my gf just started playing this game, love you man like literally the day you uploaded it

man i remember watching your video 4 years ago when i was so into war thunder, recently got back into it and im glad youre still doing well!!

A cap doesn't improve the angled penetration at high angles compared to an uncapped round. It's the opposite, actually, since when hitting angled armor the nose of the uncapped round has a higher tendency to break off and effectively make the round slightly blunt. This is very clear with rounds like 90 mm T33 having 175 mm of penetration at 0 degrees but 67 mm at 60 degrees, while 90 mm M82 has 185 mm at 0 degrees and 65 mm at 60 degrees.

Great job man,you’ve perfectly mixed realism with WT.

Small corections 1 only the american APFSDS and some other AP rounds are generally made out of DU. Other nations pretty much never used DU. The USA is also moving away from DU penetrators as far as im aware. Problem is that its still radioactive. It does not have huge effects on the crew but the same can't be said when it hits a target where it realeases significant amounts of radiation through the heating. Enough that it is not recomended to go near a vehicle thaf is destroyed with DU. 2 HE shells have 2 penetration values. The value of the shell and the value of the explosion. The value of the shell changes over distance. 3 Im not sure about the implementation in warthunder but HE does have a fuze sensitivity. Which would be 2cm of plywood for the 2cm Minengeshoss.

Feels great to catch this one 4 years later. 🎉 Big improvement too man! Good job!

The sequel we all needed, thank you

Bro I got Into war Thunder a couple months ago and watched your old video. It was really informative and helpful, but I'm glad you remastered it because my brother just got into and I can show him this. Thanks, bro much appreciated

I was fr waiting for this to come out. Like no joke, I watched your previous video about ammo and wondered why there are no new ammo types in it

I subscribed because of your first ammo guide a few years ago, good work.

I was actually looking for a new amo guide from you yesterday bit couldn't find one. Just woke up to one.

Thank you so much the old video has helped me improve drastically . But i was left wondering if there were any changes ❤❤ true goat

I've been playing for some time now and I know pretty much a lot about shell types but it's good to see more informative vids like this one ❤

Ayyyy, its nice to see you remake your old but gold video!

im glad you remade the visuals great video 👌👌

Thanks dude. Your old guide really helped me when I started war thunder and I wanted to say thanks!

Very nice to see this great video updated. As a small addition, smoke shells can kill open topped vehicles in-game with the low amount of HE filler contained in them, and I suppose the smoke wouldn't be very healthy for the crew in real life either (on top of the disorienting explosion, even if it didn't do much physical harm).

Great vid, only thing I would add is APHE rounds have a fuse which will only activate on sufficiently thick armour, so especialy new players won't get confused why their round did pretty much nothing while shooting something lightly armored.

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

True, forgot to mention that

Your animation skills improved so much from the first vid. I'm impressed!

Very informative and amazing video! Thanks dude :D

The myth of shell normalization of APC round persists… The cap serves a single purpose: Distributed the impact force on the nose of the shell to keep it from breaking or shattering on impact. This is most likely to occur at 30° impact angle or against face hardened armor. It serves no point after impacting armor at greater angles than 45°, at which the nose shape becomes pretty much meaningless.

not all apfsds are made of DU. in fact very few are. early ones were just steel and later ones are tungsten.

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

True, I just simplified it so the wall of text didn't get any longer

man this video is even better than the first one. well done mate and keep it up. (sorry if there is any grammatical error, I'm spanish)

I love the 37mm SAP on the M22 Locust, it's so good against open tops and poorly armoured tanks that your solid shot just goes straight through.

Fun fact: a guided rocket is technically a missile

@deca0

Ай бұрын

Not entirely. A guided rocket is a usually conventional unguided rocket that has guidance package fitted to it. Yes by definition it’s now a missile, but they were built with and around rocket hardware.

This is very helpful for new players. Thanks!

I have been playing for years but I always like videos like this

Yeepie, best guide about shells is remade, prob still the best around here :D

I find your video interesting and helpful especially with the animation.

I’m a US main. Your videos saved me from punching a hole in my monitor. I didn’t understand any of the rounds until I watched your videos. With the snails really bad match making I’m now able to take out German tanks with a 75mm Sherman

A part 2 we’ve all been waiting a while now

Look! he made a part 4! Im all seriousness though, the mic quality is golden compared to the last time you did a video likr this ;)

6:05 I think that's another reason. With HEATFS projectiles, rotation reduces efficiency, that's why they are stabilized by fins and why APDSF projectiles have them because the barrel has no grooves

Its the same video but updated! I love it in every single way!

Nice work!!

All of my friends who starts playing warthunder have to watch each of your videos about the tank shells. Its the law!

The smoke rounds are under appreciated, I've spammed them on some maps with wide open areas. Was able to get most of our team into the first objective without being hit.

In-game, APBC outperforms APCBC (assuming equal mass and velocity) for angles around 25-50 degrees, which are some of the most common target angles you will encounter. The exact angle range where this happens increases with the overmatch ratio, Gaijin made public the exact formula they use a few years ago so I wrote a little python code to test it out. It's questionnable whether this is realistic or not, but the result is that large-caliber APBC shells (such as soviet 122mm ww2 shells) have unreasonably good performance versus thin sloped armor. As a result, they are actually a better choice than APCBC for most scenarios

W updated ammo video

Thanks for the update

It's sad that you didn't mention that (some) APFSDS rounds DO experience normalization, you can very clearly see it in game. Their penetration at 60° will be more than half of that at 0°.

nice video bro, keep it up

Sub caliber shells are typically also better at pen because they can achieve higher velocity than a larger shell with the same amount of propellant because KE=m*v^2

He returns when we needed him the most

Thank you for the update!

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

My pleasure

a rally good guide. i really like thet all the info was compressed to only 15 minutes but i found a small misstake which a huge amount of people get wrong so its no wonder that you did reserch and still put it there. shells that have normalization caps dont dotate towards the armour. the cap just sticks to the armour and holds the shell from slipping or rocicheting completely.

12:55 it is noteworthy that ATGM OTA has 2 types of systems to do this, For example the spike-LR/MR found on KF41 and vilkas will do exactly what the video said, and usually just fire and forget, meant that the target needs to be locked before launching. Meanwhile there's ATGM that will do OTA without the atgm itself has to dive like in the video. Namely the BILL ATGM (sweden: Pbv 302 BILL II and strf9040 BILL) and the TOW2B found on bradleys. These type of ATGMs need SACLOS guidance till it reach the target, and has to be aimed slightly in the target's top (preferably at the turret's top) . This is because the warhead is designed to be launched to the bottom, not to the front (CMIIW).

The return of the king

Man remastered an older video, major w

I have the sabot from an M829A2 trainer round that I glued back together and use as a desk ornament. One of my most prized possessions.

The French OCC 105 F1 HEAT round you get in all the amx30’s differs to a standard heat round. As the CN-105-F1 was a rifled cannon, the shell has an outer casing separated from the inner shell by ball bearings, allowing the outer casing to rotate and stabilize the shell without spinning the liner and jet.

So essentially the more letters it has the better.

a small comment on APDS. there are 3 generations of it in game. or rater 2.5. the first gen is the usual early APDS. it has bad angle pen but very high flat pen (which is just useless), shatters very often, and has bad damage. these are the 17pdr, 83mm, british 120mm (only on the Conqueror, but NOT on the Chieftain), swedish 37, 57, 75mm, and the US 75, 105mm (but only on the T54E1 and E2, not on the M60). second gen has less flat pen but much more angle pen, postpen damage, and shatters waaay less. they are the 350mm flat pen APDS shells for the 105mm L7 guy (basically every 105mm guns with APDS except the US guns on the T54E1 and E2), and the soviet 100,122mm APDS. however, there is a catch. the L7 APDS acts more like gen 3, and the soviet ones act more like gen 1. not exactly, but between them. regardless, they are both very usable and good. the gen 3 are the best. does not shatter, has a lot of angle pen (outperforming even some APFSDS) good damage, but less flat pen (which is useless anyway). they are found in the lower pen L7 APDS (like on the Vickers Mk 3, and Strv 103), and the Chieftains.

I'm not even a new player anymore, but I'd like this video!

HE CAME BACK

God the first one was already good but this is just amazing!!

One of my fav WT videos, now better 😌

finally I was watiting for this viedeo since over a year now I guess

You forgot to mention that there are two types of APHEBC. The regular (can be seen in rank 1 italy) and the funny soviet bias one which has a more blunt nose under the cap that often penetrates more armor than it says it does under ridiculous angles

Finally a new one, how many times will he say “sends metal all around the place”

What a Perfect Video

Way better graphics than last time!

Been waiting for this video for a long time ! The first one was fucking awesome ! Love the vids man ! 🤩

FANTASTIC

Sabot explained: Sabot or APDS is a shell that shatters upon impacting anything in war thunder. 500mm of penetration? Think again, you actually only get 100mm. The more you know

I believe the LOSAT’s missile contains a kinetic penetrator rod within in it rather than the whole missile being the penetrator.

@vollp

28 күн бұрын

nope, just a giant piece of tungsten

@ZGD-yy9oy

28 күн бұрын

@@vollp from what little I could find on the internet is that kinetic penetrator missiles all use rod penetrators within the missiles.

@vollp

28 күн бұрын

@@ZGD-yy9oy Well, like you said, there's really no information on it whatsoever. I'm not gonna argue that it's one way or the other because I have no idea. I briefly looked KEMs up and didn't find any information about a rod penetrator, but if you found some, I'd believe it. Both is possible, although the rod is probably more likely

I think it would be important to mention hesh has received quite a significant buff to penetration on solid, homogeneous armors (such as late war German vehicles). Now it will be much more effective against these armor while still being mostly useless against composite, multi layered, spaced or reactive armor were it will rely solely on the overpressure mechanic to kill

Great video, thanks man 👍

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Love the new visuals

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

Glad you like em

i watched the original guide like 2 months ago. this showed up in my recommended just now, a mere 15 hours after it was uploaded. i did not search for this, i am not subscribed, i have not watched any videos since that first guide a few months ago. i went from watching that when i started off with reserves to now being at like 5.3 or so. the youtube algorithm works in mysterious ways

New one, nice

Good you included the one I commented about a while ago

Full caliber shells don't normalize like that with ballistic caps. It just helps reduce the effective angle of a plate by reducing ricochet chance. It's easier to think of it like this, the plate is at 60 degree, the cap would technically effectively reduce it but roughly 5 degrees Increasing penetration at angles

Nice work

2min in and already learned something , thanks man

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

Glad to help

I'm not sure if anyone else has commented about it, but HE-VT isn't modern at all, the US Navy used it in WW2 in the pacific theater against the Japanese. It was something that really caught me off guard the first time I learned about how old HE-VT really is

I, for one, saw the old one, and for two I have way more knowledge about these now. But it seems like there may be some shell types that I may never see

Great job

Small thing, in the missiles you didn't talk about the missiles that fly straight above the target, then when the time is right a HEAT charge on the side of the missile fires downward to kill the target (Tow-2B, and the other swedish one)

@vizender

Ай бұрын

The BILL :)

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

Dammit, knew I forgot something. Thanks for letting me know

Nice with the extra effort on the animations.

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

Glad you like em

dude compared to the last video it was amazing but just a suggestion use mark sharp when shade smoothing and modeling flat surfaces so it looks better congrats on 50k

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

I'll keep it in mind for next time, thanks

@noobynoober887

Ай бұрын

you're the G thanks for replying@@skDoger

nice visuals man

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

Glad you like em

Ahhh finally an updated version

The French found a fairly novel but pricey way to get around spin reducing the effectiveness of heat. They put it on ball bearings. It's the reason why it has about 400mm of pen The M51 gets this round too.

would be very cool if you showed clips of the game alongside the animations. I know you worked hard on them, but the game's damage viewing screens can be very informative about the spalling and what the round does

@skDoger

Ай бұрын

In my videos I usually only show things I made myself, because stuff like in-game footage is readily available