forget ammo count, im afraid of the absolute shitshow that immediately follows a shooting. being potentially jailed, paying for a good lawyer, hoping and praying im not a victim of the justice system...thats what truly scares me

@rbm6184

14 күн бұрын

Exactly.

@williamhoppe4500

14 күн бұрын

Just don't let that mindset paralyze your response should you need to protect yourself. A couple of my friends have said that they would rather take the chance of being killed than face possible legal ramifications.

@roykiefer7713

14 күн бұрын

Yes, sir, in many venues the hassles, expenses and legal jeopardy is likely to be significant. Soros-funded DAs in places like Philadelphia, Portland, Chicago, and many other venues will near-certainly put the lawful defensive citizen “through the ringer,” simply to enhance their leftist, elitist, anti-2A credentials . . . regardless of the facts or the eventual outcome.

@alwaysfaithfulholsters721

14 күн бұрын

Get insurance. US Lawshield, USCCA, and many more. It will help ease the anxiety a bit.

@18wheeler77

14 күн бұрын

NO!!!! Don’t go with USCCA! May I recommend Attorneys On Retainer!!!

I'd rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them.

I was an urban street cop for about 20 years. Dealt with many armed suspects during that time. Carried a J frame off duty.. I still frequently carry a J frame. Solid performer. Let me add, the great Paul Harrell listed J frames as one of his most carried guns.

@justusbryant7366

11 күн бұрын

Idk why anybody would carry that. This isnt the 70s

Great video! I'm a retired cop. When I started in 1978, I had to provide my own equipment, so I carried a used S&W Model 28 (.357 mag. w/6 inch barrel), with 6 in the weapon and 12 in loops on my belt. A few years later, i decided that bigger was better, and had the weapon re-chambered and barreled to .45 Colt. At that time I also invested in speed loaders. I carried 4 on my belt, and most of the local cops in the very early 1980's thought I was a nut for carrying 24 rounds on my belt and 6 in the weapon. I carried even larger amounts of ammo when I switched to 9 mm and later 10 mm. Now in retirement, I'm good to go with a .357 mag w/3 inch barrel and two speed loaders in the front right pocket of my jeans. You see, I am not duty bound to go into dangerous places, nor to assist people who provoke trouble anymore. I watch out for me and my family, and we don't go places that are dangerous, nor do we instigate trouble. I am prepared to defend myself and my family with at least 18 rounds, until I can call in an air strike by phone, or at least summon the local cops. GRIN. If I have to make a run into downtown Houston for some reason, I upgrade what I carry. In other words, I have a very similar strategy to what this video describes.

That squirrel over your right shoulder is pretty busy.

Cool take. I have had 2 unfortunate interactions and I had rounds left in my 1911 after each time. Patience & thought.

HR, I had two coworkers from my department that got into off duty shootings when we were young. Each case they carried a j-frame off duty. The first one was the off duty cop got out of his car in front of his girl friend’s house and immediately got bum rushed in the dark by two thugs, pointing a Colt 1911 at his chest and demanding money. He complied and told the bad guys he was reaching for his wallet in his back pocket. Instead he pulled out his .38 j-frame and filled the armed suspect with 3 rounds into the 10-ring at point blank range and lightening fast. The second suspect ran behind him while shooting and the off duty cop being afraid, fired his last two rounds at that suspect, but missed. The suspect was moving (running) laterally. The cop was now quickly out of ammo. The second suspect ran away. The officer duty cop began first aid on the first suspect and neighbors came out. A crowd grew. The second suspect wound up coming came BACK!!!! Fortunately he was NOT armed, but the point is, 5-shots wasn’t enough. We could say the off duty cop could have had a speedy loader or two, but then one might as well carry a small semi auto as they’re way faster for reloading under stress and for more than one suspect. Plus, they’re more accurate in general. The second example was another off duty cop partner of mine who was at a house warming party when thugs showed up to crash it. Long story condensed here, but the off duty cop got a wine bottle smashed over his head. The cop being way outnumbered and outgunned (he believed) ran out of the house and was chased by 6-7 thugs in the middle of the street at night. The cop continued to retreat and pulled out his 5-shot, identified himself and told the thugs to back off, all while walking backwards with an advancing and taunting gang closing the gap. The self-made “leader” of this group who was also the “mouth,” said that the cop had better use the gun, because they were going to kill him with it otherwise. After retreating backwards for so long, the cop stopped and drew the “line in the sand” in his mind. He warned them that he would start shooting if they didn’t back off. He felt like he was going to black out and had blood draining off his head wound and down on his face, eyes and chest. The “mouth” closed the gap to within 10 feet so the cop double tapped him in the 10-ring with his j-frame. Bad guy down. The rest of the crowd halted their advance. Some ran away while a few stayed put. The cop only had three rounds left but knew it wasn’t enough should the others engage or perhaps pulled out guns themselves. Another off duty cop neighbor hearing all the commotion came out of his house with an AR-15 and scared the rest of the bad guys away. So yes you could say that the 5 shot worked this time, but only because an AR-15 in the hands of a good guy saved him. The off duty cop told me that he would NEVER EVER carry just a 5 shot again. 5 shots was not enough and the only reason he didn’t shoot more was because the Good Samaritan neighbor saved him with a much more capable and intimidating “Central Nervous System particle separator.” My point is, if one is going to go through the process of carrying a concealed weapon, one might as well level the playing field and go all the way. Get a small semi auto that holds a few more rounds and maybe a slim line single stack magazine to go with it. A nice .380 or 9mm fits that bill these days without any additional hassle. Look at how many “crews” are victimizing people these days. It’s usually 2 or more against YOU. So 5-shots may not be enough and I sure will never want to test my own hypothesis either. I surely don’t want to have to reload after 5 shots either. I like at least 8-10 shots being readily available before a necessary reload.

@DinoNucci

14 күн бұрын

This channel and conversation are for civilians bruh

@colt10mmsecurity68

14 күн бұрын

@@DinoNucci With the right discernment skills, one can easily figure out that the two related incidents pertains to armed civilians as well. Did you catch the term “off duty” as cited multiple times throughout the stories?? C’MON MAN!

@DinoNucci

14 күн бұрын

@colt10mmsecurity68 urgh you're really unable to use critical thinking so I'm leaving

@colt10mmsecurity68

14 күн бұрын

@@DinoNucci Yeah this conversation is for adults, so I’ll agree with to move elsewhere.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

As I mentioned during the video, everyone has to make their own threat assessment. I’m going to take a wild guess and say that neither of the incidents you recounted occurred in rural America.

I like to quote Stephen A. Camp who practiced extensively with a J-frame. He said: "I believe that we are more likely to run out of time than ammunition, but that does not make it some sort of universal truth. Nor does it mean that other shooters feel comfortable with this concept."

@rbm6184

14 күн бұрын

True. Comfort level capacity rather than what they know to be realistic in a five second gunfight.

@roykiefer7713

13 күн бұрын

Mr. Camp was a truly decent man and a legitimate firearms expert (imho).

Belt Fed from your suit jacket.

@BenMaviyiSeverim

14 күн бұрын

When the belt runs out, you'll be caught with your pants dawn. Yes, my attempt at making a dad joke...and I am kinda proud of it 😊

The amount of people in this comment section that missed the entire point is baffling

I've stopped worrying about the capacity craze and carrying my smaller capacity micro 9's. I think the single most important thing is having something on you regardless of rounds.

I tried playing that game with myself for years. When you said “Do your own threat assessment” it was spot on. I live in a rural area where it’s not uncommon to see people at the grocery store, feed store, gas station etc…open carrying. I have “City” guns and “Country” guns for different purposes. City gun is a Glock 19 and 1 reload. Country gun is my Dads old S&W Chief Special and maybe a speed strip reload, maybe not. And I try to avoid places that look like it might turn into the OK Coral. 😎

@Sanguivore

13 күн бұрын

Very well-said, bud!

There's a little cutie of the four legged kind running around behind you HR.😊

One of the problems is citizens attempting to copy law enforcement, who most don't need 15 plus capacity, and they ignorantly believe they need a ton of capacity. Another problem is LEOs basically mag dumping perps, which is the result of the poor, garbage 9mm round, and horrendously poor LEO training of the last 20ish years. I walked a foot post in one of the top five highest crime precincts in NYC and we carried 6 shot 38Special revolvers and after 1993 15+1 9mm which was a failure out of the gate. Off duty most guys carried a 5 shot "hammerless" J-frame ....and 99% of MOS' from the NYPD, NYC Housing and NYC Transit police did just fine and are still enjoying retirement many years later. Ammo selection is equally as important as firearm choice and of course competent training completes the trifecta. Just one example of my experience, we received a job/call of an off duty MOS surrounded by "twenty plus" youth. When we arrived there were indeed twenty plus people surrounding this off duty MOS and he held them off with his "hammerless" 5shot J frame...none of those perps wanted to be the first one to take a 38 to the chest. Of course there are the exceptions however those exceptions are extremely rare.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

Thanks! I've got to ask, what is MOS?

@joesheetstheragman7737

14 күн бұрын

@@hrfunk Member of the Service.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

@@joesheetstheragman7737 Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before.

@nicholasroberts9618

14 күн бұрын

@hrfunk Yes, sorry, in the NYPD MOS means Member Of the Service....when we call for a "bus" it means EMS/Ambulance! 🤣

@burnyburnoutze2nd

14 күн бұрын

Didn't the NYPD for a long time also mandate 8 to 12lb triggers on all semi auto pistols after they went to them? There's a reason glock made a seperate "new york trigger" exclusively for NYPD use. I would argue that excessive mandated trigger weight combined with very poor training is why 9mm seems "ineffective" in NYPD use vs 9mm. Plenty of police bodycam footage out there with perps beong stopped by 9mm is more than sufficient proof that 9mm will get the job done.

Good video! Too many of us seem to think they need a portable armory and dozens of rounds at all times. Risk assessment and risk management can keep you out of those situations where you might actually need more than a few shots. I also carry a snubby from time to time, but mine is a .38 Taurus with a whopping 6 pills in the rolodex. I just pray each time I take it that I don't ever need to use it.

@18wheeler77

14 күн бұрын

I could imagine the immense amount of ammo someone might carry might go against them in court. Making it seem as if they might be trigger happy or something. Anything can happen.

I completely agree on the S&W 642. It’s my main off duty carry. I also agree on the importance of having a realistic mindset. My agency would much rather have a good witness than a want-a-be hero who causes a bad PR problem.

I appreciate the common sense attitude regarding the legality of a firearm in a defense case. This is one of your better videos

@hrfunk

13 күн бұрын

Thank you!

One thing I’ve never read after a civilian self defense shooting: “I wish I had less ammo.” Or: “The most significant thing I noticed during the shooting was just how cumbersome the extra weight of 15+ rounds of ammunition actually is.” Making our own threat assessment is key. I live in an area where the dynamic has changed over the course of 20 years. Because of the manufactured housing industry in our area it has caused an influx of illegal immigrants. Along with them has come competing Hispanic gangs. These rivalries have caused shootings and killings on a much greater scale. Most drive by shootings are in excess of 50 rounds, usually one firearms is used. With those details as contributing factors to my threat assessment it has caused me to make the determination that a CCW pistol with a capacity of 15+ rounds and a double mag pouch with full length mags of 17-19 rounds each. So……FWIW We don’t know what situation we may stumble into. Life is random and, preparing for the worst case scenario seems smart to me.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

Agreed. That's why I tried to stress that everyone needs to assess their own threat level and then proceed accordingly.

@DinoNucci

14 күн бұрын

You missed the point

This is the kind of information that keeps me coming back. Great work Howard. Semper Fi

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

Semper Fi and thank you!

Going to the corner store in Kentucky- carry the Jframe. Going to the corner store in Chicago- gear up like Rambo..

The 5-round gun you are actually carrying beats the 22-round gun you left in the car or back home because it was too large to conceal-carry.

If you are facing multiple attackers, willing to face gunfire and continue to fight, you're kind of screwed anyway. Believe it or not, your not John Wick.

@tbjtbj4786

14 күн бұрын

It does happen though. And at least in this part of fl. Multiple attackers are getting more common.

@alexh4436

14 күн бұрын

@@tbjtbj4786 It all really depends on context which is why we need a strong 2A that people can chose what fits them the best. I personally have the option to avoid places that I deem to be dangerous so I don't think to much about ammo capacity but your situation might be different.

@tbjtbj4786

13 күн бұрын

@@alexh4436 thats the thing. I agree stay out of crazy places should not need crazy amounts of ammo. Hell I normally carry a 5 shot snubbey in 44. But a friend kid got shot 4 times stopped at a gas station at lunch 3 attackers and it was the good part of town. No one would have thought that would be a problem places. But in this new world. Where the crazy and homeless don't get picked up any more. I don't think you can rely on this is a nice place should not need x anymore. Not in the new America. Around the house/ farm I still carry the 44 more chance of needing it for a animal than a person. Town now its a 45 and extra mags.

@MrSmith-zy2bp

13 күн бұрын

*you're not And no, I'm not John Wick. I'm fine carrying my 10 rd + 1 HK45 with extra 10 rd mag.

@tbjtbj4786

13 күн бұрын

@@MrSmith-zy2bp if that was for me. I agree with you 100% I was no where near John w. In my prime at that was over 20 years ago. I really hope I never really need one again.

I think you made your point. With a topic like this, i always think back about 50 or so years, when 6 (or 5) was normal. Speed loaders appeared and were considered necessary. The auto fans usually had 6, 7 or even 8. And you might have a spare mag. I am extremely happy not to have experienced the need to "find out". And that mention of not going to a place where you might need much more ammo, reminded me again I need to find another place to live.

Good notes. Carrying a small thing of pepper spray along with the gun might handle some situations, particularly situations that might get you into sticky investigations and court cases. Don't risk your life deploying it though... It is particularly good for mean dogs.

Excellent video. You mention to not go to an area if possible multipal threats and that point was spot on. The best advice is to escape and evade any threat first. I carry 95% of the time a S&W 351PD 7 shot 22WMR. Folks under estimate the power of modern 22 rimfire. People do not train enough to get proper shot placement on target. I also bet you have some comments as to why no head shot? No one talks about over penetration of pass through? Every bullet that leaves the muzzel has a DA and Judge attached to it. The more hits on target to stop the threat the more ammunition for a DA to present excessive use of force. I know this because I had to use my firearm to stop a threat. Yes, I was arrested! Yes, I had to hire a lawyer. Yes, the trial was hell. I did win by a jury of peers. The victumes family then sued me in civil court. Yes, had to hire a lawyer. By this time I lost my job, and was broke from all the legal fees. I did win the civil case. If any of my three shots and yes only three went through my threat and hit an innocent person that is another issue you do not want. ESCAPE and do not engage unless you have no escape the total threat to life.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

Thank you for relating this personal account. This is exactly what I meant when I said bad things can happen to you even if you don't sustain any physical injuries.

@Bob-lt5hf

14 күн бұрын

@@hrfunk Thank you for your knowledge and presenting a video on a what doesn't get enough attention. Awesome channel!

@roykiefer7713

14 күн бұрын

@@Bob-lt5hf Most importantly, you have my sympathy for being put through such hell, expenses and turmoil when you were the victim.

Thank You in sharing your perspective.

One thought that I forgot....... An auto loader can be reloaded with one round left in the chamber so you get that emergency shot capability while reloading. Once you open up a revolver's cylinder all you have in your hands is a paperweight until the cylinder is reloaded and closed.

@JJ_SDWR

14 күн бұрын

Assuming of course the semi-auto in question doesn't have a magazine-disconnect safety mechanism, but that's a great point.

Excellent point,I deal in probabilities,not possibilities.

Good video HR. I agree with you, a lot of gun-owners envision themselves being the hero in some John Wick scenario, but the overwhelming data shows that this isn't how real-world defensive gun uses go. People can what-if until the cows come home, what if you get attacked by a platoon-sized element wearing head to toe homemade body armor ala North Hollywood bank robbery? Having 50 rounds of 10mm on you wouldn't make a difference. A guy at my local gunstore showed someone he was CCWing a full-size pistol as well as TWO back-up mags under his shirt. He literally said "what if I get attacked by a gang of Kia Boys?" It took me a second to realize he wasn't trying to be funny.

Thank you for another realistic training scenario👍

Very well done Chief!! Thanks again for your insight. I agree, always do a self assessment. Have a great week.

@hrfunk

13 күн бұрын

Thanks Todd. Same to you!

I always enjoy your videos and appreciate your insights.

@hrfunk

10 күн бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks

Good Video ! Some really good things to think about, when making your choices.

@algoneby

14 күн бұрын

For me, a lot of testing what gun to carry. Have tubs full of holsters. Finally pocket carry won. Lots of money experimenting Holsters galore. One solution always prevailed. Like "they" say, if it's in the glove compartment, or the console, or left at home, then ???

Well-said as always, HR!

@hrfunk

13 күн бұрын

Thank you!

I totally agree with you. More is probably better, but a small, handy weapon, which you have also trained with, is easier to carry around with you all day. And most of the time you are in a familiar environment, so that is sufficient in my opinion

Excellent excellent presentation HR. This is what I have thought of as well.

Well thought out and presented and just what I would expect from you. Good shooting as a credit to your training. I suspect the key is carry what you shoot well and train as you expect to use.

This is a great video on a topic that seems to cause myopia for a lot of concealed carriers (myself included). The vast majority of us have never been in a gunfight and have no idea what to expect. I'm probably not alone in wondering whether my training is up to par. It's not like we can sign up for a test. So it's easy to take the "New Air Conditioner Approach" where you get the HVAC installer out who does an assessment of what size unit you need, and you decide, nah, lets upsize it - I wanna KNOW my house is going to be cool enough in the summer." The crux is that assessment and the ability to perform it and trust it. I'm not sure how to accurately go about it for self defense and I'm sure others feel the same way, so it seems like a no-brainer to go with volume. On the other hand, I think about the fact that I didn't carry a gun for the first 50+ years of my life and never had an issue, but then I find out that a few days ago three idiots ordered a pizza to one of the houses on my block here in the historic district of Lancaster, one of them sat out on the front steps and waited for the delivery driver, held her at gunpoint, the other two stole her car, got the one with the gun and led the cops on a high speed chase from here to the next town over with the car literally in flames from hitting things along the way. That incident brings me right back to "Oh man, I need as much as I can carry to deal with multiple attackers." It seems the best I can do reasonably is carry something decent, with a spare mag, train with it, and do my best to avoid bad situations.

My deep conceal is a J-frame, normal conceal is a Colt Commander, winter carry is either a SIG P226 or a Staccato P. I practice with all of them, because hits are better than misses no matter how many rounds you're carrying.

Excellent presentation HR. Choose the tool for the task, train with it, and carry it; whatever that tool is.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

Thanks Greg.

excellent demonstration! thank you for all the insights and rationale surrounding the overzealous magazine capacity. "cool kids" these days try too hard to justify their thirst for higher capacity magazines. If one goes looking for trouble, he'll find it. Finally, a wise man once said "if you can't do it with 6, you can't do it at all"

Very good video as usual!

Great video. I agree. For years I have carried mostly a 1911 but also carry revolvers. I have never felt like I need more because I try hard not to be put in a situation that warrants carrying more capacity. For that rare occasion I have a Glock 31

Situational awareness is the key and you covered that quite handsomely at the start. The chances of needing a weapon at all at the grocery store is like being struck by lightning twice when buying a winning lottery ticket. Could it happen, yeah but probably won't. Just be careful where you go and keep you head on a swivel and you will find that trouble usually stays away. The odd outlier of a crazy person walking into someplace that is just a normal peaceful location is statistically low. I guess the bottom line is, do what you want, but use some common sense in not carrying 50+ rounds to get a gallon of milk.

@DinoNucci

14 күн бұрын

Correct

Chief, Here is the point...... One NEVER EVER knows when trouble will raise its ugly head! That is WHY it is ALWAYS prudent to carry an adequate amount of firepower. Bad things happen in good places and in good areas too. If I truly expected trouble somewhere I'd just not go there. I carried a 5 shot J Frame for 40 years - I no longer do. For almost 5 years now I carry a Sig P365 and an extra magazine no matter where I go. I am also one who does not believe in carry rotation. I carry the same P365 with the same ammo and the same extra magazine every single day. OK - I may be boring however I know exactly what I have, where I have it and how to use it. In a high stress situation the last think you need to think about is what gun you have, how many rounds it holds, etc. BTW, my P365 has just over 7,000 rounds through it - not one failure to fire - ever! Just recently changed all the springs, striker assy. and recoil assy. as Sig does recommend. IMHO the 11 rounds onboard and 10 in the spare magazine (total 21 rounds) is a whole lot better than a 5 shot - slow to reload J frame or similar. Today's Micro 9's are pretty darn reliable, easier to shoot, more accurate, have better sights, much faster to reload with high capacity, and actually smaller, flatter and lighter. Something like the 124 grain Federal HST performs better than just about any 38 special out of a 1 7/8" barrel. As much as I love my revolvers, I truly believe in today's world they are fairly obsolete for SD. Yes, they could still protect you life, but with the gang style crime and blatant disregard for law and order, 5 shots no longer makes me feel warm and fuzzy!! BTW - good subject.

@roykiefer7713

14 күн бұрын

You stated, “an adequate amount of firepower.” I suspect many - or all - of us would agree, BUT how does one determine what is “adequate?” My equivalent for your Sig P365 is a CZ P-07 (15+1 9mm capacity, DA/SA design, and a longer - 3.75 inch - barrel for improved sight radius and velocity). However, the P-07 is not my universal EDC; “adequacy” is situationally dependent, what’s ideal in circumstance A, may very well be too little or too much in circumstance B.

@bobbyw9046

14 күн бұрын

@@roykiefer7713 I gotcha. There is always a happy medium between very high capacity, high capacity, low capacity and concealment. I also have a 17 round spare magazine for the Sig P365. That is no more difficult to conceal than a 10 or 12 round magazine in a good belt mag pouch. IMHO, the most important thing is to always have Roscoe on your person and to be prepared. In order for me to accomplish that, a defensive gun has to be small, light and very concealable - enough to always have it with me. For me, that bill is satisfied by the standard micro P365. There are also other excellent choices such as the Hellcat, Reflex, Shield+ and others. Enough capacity to feel comfortable but still always carry. Life is always a compromise!

@papimaximus95

14 күн бұрын

"That is WHY it is ALWAYS prudent to carry an adequate amount of firepower." Define "adequate". For me, that is my S&W model 66 combat magnum. Six shots gives me 2 shots each on 3 bad guys. I like my odds. In certain circumstances I may grab a speed loader but generally not.

@bobbyw9046

14 күн бұрын

@@papimaximus95 Adequate is only to be determined AFTER the incident so the truth is no one can define adequate in this instance. I hope no one is ever attacked by more bad guys than their revolver holds. I also hope that each of your shots goes exactly where you want them to (wishful and hopeful thinking) and that they perform as intended. That however is never a guarantee - no matter how much we practice! Therefor, I personally no longer feel comfortable with a 5 or 6 shot revolver. I guess we all have our different comfort levels and if a revolver works for you - great. They no longer work for me.

@papimaximus95

14 күн бұрын

@@bobbyw9046 "Adequate is only to be determined AFTER the incident" Technically, true...HOWEVER, we can estimate based on past encounters what the likelihood of an event is. From THOUSANDS of videos, news stories, police reports and investigations, I can conclude the following: 1) Bad guys do not stick around once gun shots start flying the other way 2) In America, the average bad guy count is 1-2. We have seen an uptick to about 3 active participants. Why?...most cars comfortably hold 4 adults. The driver NEVER leaves the vehicle which leaves at best 3 bad guys. 3) I personally have the utmost confidence in my ability to draw and put 2 rounds on a target on command. You must train to a point of unconscious competence. 4) Situational Awareness buys you time and time buys you options. 5) The "expected" gunfight is 3-5 seconds @ 3-5yards and 3-5 rounds (checkout Lucky Gunner). But hey, do you. I will NOT be at your gunfight.

I like the HI Cap Mags and I carry 4 spare mags always . Outstanding Again Howard

in the context of a private citizen just defending and not chasing you run out of time before you run out of ammo, most gun fights are won or lost in 3 to 6 seconds, mostly its the defending private citizen that wins and most the time incapacitation was not needed to stop a threat, usually its seeing the gun or first shot the threat runs, so things happen so fast the threat doesnt know even what kind of gun you have or capacity, they are not interested in math counting your shots, the tunnel vision and insticts to run from gun fire is their ony thought not focused on the fact you only have a 5 shot revolver and a couple reloads, if the context is law enforcement or military you have to chase and capture wich means additional gun fights and more resources then just ammo, a private citizen only has to defend, take cover or extract meaning a private citizen needs less resources, they are not going to the gun fight but avoiding them, even if a gun fight finds them they only need to defend, take cover and extract. so before any thought on defense with a firearm we have to set the context of if its police, military or private citizens. with private citizens its more about how they use that ammo in the average 3 to 6 second gun fight, revolvers even with 5 or 6 shots show no more lost defense situations then semi autos in private citizen defense incidences and not including police, military or gangs, its how you use the ammo and your tactics that determin the final outcome, having a couple reloads on you is easy to carry, so your not doomed with any gun, just have a little spare ammo or magazines. we know that poor tactics even with 30 round magazines in the first 6 seconds you could lose your gun fight, so it comes down to in that short time how well you do as the operator of the gun, 2 shot derringes even have won gun fights just based on the fact bad guys run despite what gun or capacity, however a few extra rounds in pocket most guys have and knowing a reload is a long time for those, so make those shots count, most people a 5 shot revolver is minum and maybe a reload or two if a servey on revolver carriers, capacity is only one variable, correlation doesnt mean causation because of the other variables that depend on the situational awareness, tactical responses of the operator of the gun despite low or high capacity

Normal carry is a 1911 in 45acp, so i do carry a spare magazine. I do change that up when im out at my fishing holes because feral pigs are a problem, lugging a rifle bit of an issue when fishing so go for higher round count.

There is no every defensive scenario you could answer here now ,the gun and ammo industry try ,god gave us the discernment to choose ,the big problem is most ppl can not spend time to learn important stuff .Peace !

Excellent pic sir,spot on when you get right down to it it's hits that matter.The most important round is the first one.

Outstanding! I agree 100%... especially with the "don't go there" advice. :) I carry a Smith & Wesson 642 with a speed strip on my pocket most of the time. If I'm going into an area where I think there might be trouble, a short AR or AR pistol would be my preference.

An excellent discussion on Situation, Tactics, and Capacity! My current EDC has a 12 round Capacity Magazine, which I consider adequate for anything bad that might come my way. In the past, I've carried Pistols that had more and less capacity. I can remember when 8 rounds was considered enough for most defensive scenarios. Also, I inherited an older Blued J-Frame some years ago, and I could see carrying it, but have not, so far.

Always great common-sense advice and the information to make good choices.

Hi Howard, hope all is well. I really enjoyed today’s video. Love your arms selections for the drills that you did. I’m glad you mentioned situational awareness! That’s the key, well for survival at least. Anything carried is better than the gun you left at home ,but smart to evaluate the situation before ya dive in. Say hi to private chewie, I think he’s due for a little double time ,he went m.i.a. During the livestream ha!

Easy to carry, good comment.

I better not miss this...

No question more ammo is better but there are practical considerations. My back & hip problems mean my EDC in warm weather is usually an old LCP w/a 7 round mag & one in the chamber, plus a spare mag for a total of 15 rounds. I do shoot this little gun often and have confidence in it’s ability. My daily travels are pretty tame & I no longer go after bad guys.

Excellent presentation HR. Keep your head on a swivel & maintain SA. Simper Fi.

Your best advice, by far, was to avoid situations that may require an act of self defense. If a situation presents otself and you can avoid confrontation, do so. If the threat can't be avoided then hopefully you have enough ammunition to deal with the situation. The handguns I carry have either 9 or 13 rounds. I do carry a spare mag. If I need more than that then I'm in deep kimchi. My sincere hope is that I NEVER have to resort to using my handgun to defend myself.

Some years ago I read an article, "Why I carry 145 rounds ..." (something like that). It raised some definite warnings about being under-prepared, but also it was written from the perspective of an active LE officer. My takeaway from it was: 1) Fatal shots aren't necessarily going to stop the fight before the bad guy returns with fatal shots of his own (perp sustained multiple hits that would have proved fatal in time); 2) I'm not LE and I don't have to run into danger (though if the very unlikely gunfight occurs, I might still have to deal with sustained fire). TLDR - unlikely scenario I'll probably never have to deal with, but I wrestle with it anyway.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

There are no guarantees in a gunfight.

Excellent discussion. I used to normally carry a 5 shot J frame. I still carry it in situations like you do-short trips to "safe" locations. However when I go to other locations (ones where there is more likely a chance for an encounter), I carry a Commander sized 1911 style in 9mm. Since I live in NY, I am limited to 10+1, so any gun with larger capacity is of no use to me. My main "fear" is car hijacking. In my area this involves multiple attackers with guns. So carrying more than 5 rounds makes more sense to me. Again, a very good video. Thanks!

👍👍 Thanks HR, some good stuff. For me I learned a long time ago that if my carry gun was to bulky or heavy that I ended up leaving it at home half the time. My carry gun has to be light and easily concealable. I carry either my s&w original shield or my s&w j frame. I do carry an extra mag or a speed loader most of the time depending on what I’m doing.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

I have a suspicion that many (or at least a fair number) of the high-capacity/multiple magazine crowd do not carry 24/7.

Great video HR! Great food for thought. Common sense goes a long way in personal safety. As far as I am concerned no single right or wrong scenario would be too far fetched. Situational awareness is your best tool for self defence! In most active shooting situations 2-3 rounds would be the most rounds expended. Hitting what you are shooting at is by far your best defence! Spray and pray will certainly get you killed if the "perp" is at all accurate. Situational awareness will keep you alive and avoid conflict at all cost!

There’s no way to know what you’ll need. I basically carry whatever I feel most comfortable with and hope it lays down enough to get me back to the real deal. And yes, I’ve learned to pick and choose where I’m willing to go. My normal carry is a 380 in pocket. A low capacity 9 mm somewhere else on me and a rifle real close by. I try and be in places that I think I’ll not need any.

Yes Howard I agree with you on the 642. That is also my most carried handgun unless it’s cool weather. Then with jacket on I carry a Glock 48 in a IWB holster, or I’ll also pack ( depending on my mood haha ) a Ruger 57, also IWB. But mostly it’s the Smith. I mounted a LG305 laser sight which enhances my aiming capability.

I carry micro to 1911s with a spare mag. It varies based on dress or how I feel, when I started carrying in an urban environment I was about capacity followed too many times using a cane. Bad actors profile , now that I moved to a rural setting I still carry but it’s less about how many rds I can stuff in my wranglers . My point is there’s a diminishing return on comfort for me if I’m just getting milk and carrying a cane. I’m a civil servant not a leo sworn to protect . My only hope is to increase odds of my survival.

Excellent topic, Howard; I really look forward to this video. I may be entirely wrong, but I don’t see how there can be any “universal” or “arbitrary” capacity standards for lawful civilian defense. Realistic threats differ, times of day differ, homes differ from city streets, town or neighborhood A can be comparatively safe, while town or neighboring town B isn’t, and so forth. Of course, some individuals believe “no one ever has too much ammunition,” however, inconvenient carry often becomes program noncompliance AND zealous anti-2A prosecutors might tell a jury that thee 17 round magazines indicates the defendant was hoping for a fight.

You can NEVER have too much Ammo or Capacity for Ammo ever. You never know what EVIL lurks around any corner or in Congress. Stay ARMED TO THE MAX is my motto.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

May I ask what you typically carry as you go about your day?

@roykiefer7713

14 күн бұрын

Hell, yes, and therefore I presume you’ll bring a .50 caliber Browning M2 machine gun, with several ammunition belts, to your daughter’s wedding.

@davidkachel

14 күн бұрын

When your pants fall to the floor, you're carrying too much stuff!

@charlesmullins3238

14 күн бұрын

@@davidkachel I just tighten up another notch and grab 2 more mags…too risky

@AgainstTheWindMO

13 күн бұрын

Unless you’re swimming lol

I have always carried more ammo long time fear of running out but do pack a variety including 5 shot S&W .38 Specials and PPK .380 pistols in our hot and humid summers. I've changed things for my 37 year law enforcement gut has been telling me since last August that we are going to experience a coordinated terror attack. I used 1911 pistols and other single stack guns but also high capacity firearms. The key is being vigilant as to your environment I do believe and carrying a reasonable defensive handgun which could be a 5 shot .38 Special or a high capacity 10mm it's about what makes you comfortable and the weapons your competent in using. Good review. Your right on with respect to the average dude or dudes trying to rob you. Terrorist are different and will keep coming.

Great video to make people think about their surroundings. Personally I carry P365 (10+1) and spare 12 round mag (for potential mag issues). No carry rotation so I don't have to think about what I am using for consistency in use. Practice with it monthly (50 rounds) and always looking for classes to increase my skills.

BRAVO ZULU, Howard; I entirely agree with your positions in this presentation, especially your realism and your emphasis on common sense situational awareness. In fact, I was unable to watch this video at 0800 because (once again) I was on my way to (ugh) a dental appointment. On my right side I had a Ruger, 2.25 inch barrel, SP-101, loaded with five very potent Buffalo Bore .38 Special +P’s (okay, it’s not a Smith J Frame, but the governing principle is identical) and two unobtrusive speed strips. Why was I so armed? Because it’s morning in very nice, very low crime, Fairfax County, Virginia, and my threat evaluation - based on 40+ years as a resident of this area - is an EXTREMELY LOW probability of requiring a firearm for lawful self defense. Yet, the possibility is not zero, and that is precisely why I am armed adequately . . . but not absurdly. In thinking about HR’s video, I was reminded of Jim Cirillo, the famous NYPD Stakeout Squad detective whose job was apprehending the most vicious felons. He was compelled to kill ten criminals and he arrested many others . . . and his primary weapon was a six round, S&W K Frame, loaded with .38 Specials. Detective Cirillo wasn’t running local errands or driving from one nice community to another . . . no, he was frequently in New York’s worst venues awaiting the arrival of some truly dangerous and desperate individuals. So, I respectfully suggest we allow the task to largely define the tools . . . a sledgehammer isn’t needed to mount a picture-hook on a wall and an upholstery hammer isn’t ideal for building an outdoor deck. In sum, one size does not fit all.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

Precisely.

For me... Minimum defensive caliber is 9mm. Minimum capacity is 10. Minimum barrel length is 4". Minimum size is enough real estate for full two-handed grip. In other words, small enough to carry concealed, but big enough to fight with. Revolver? No... Low capacity, slow to reload, hard to shoot, not fun to train with, so I won't train with it enough. Not that much easier to carry. Personally, I carry a Sig P-320C in .45 ACP and a spare magazine. It meets the above criteria and I shoot it really well, so that's what I grab most of the time. I'm in SC right now and it's hot. Shorts and a T-shirt is the attire and no problem concealing the Sig. My confidence is high that I am well armed.

Cool place to film a talk video. Sorry I missed the livestream still busting out these rain gutters on the gulf coast in these crazy sporadic thunderstorms. 😂❤ much love and stay safe

Good evening, HRFUNK and family. Yes, sir. I see your point on the ammo amount and pistol capacity. Like describe in one of your post on this. I do carry around 70 rounds total when i carry my two pistols on me. Like you said. Depending on the local, how we should adjust our EDC method

You absolutely CAN NOT PREDICT what scenario you would encounter at any particular situation. That's why I carry 15 rounds vs 5 rounds, I'd rather have the extra 10 and not need them than need the extra 10 and not have them. It's all insurance and probability.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

What if you need 16 rounds?

@moreme40

14 күн бұрын

@@hrfunk, Glock 17 😊

@roykiefer7713

14 күн бұрын

@petervoy124: I fundamentally disagree . . . predict with absolute CERTAINTY, of course not . . . but predict with a very high probability of being correct, yes one can near-always do so. When I go to my local supermarket to purchase a few groceries this afternoon, I’ll likely carry either my Ruger SP-101 (loaded with .38 Specials) or my CZ P-07 (loaded with 9x19mm’s). Is it conceivable a major firefight will erupt, as I walk through the strip mall’s parking lot? Yes (think of the 1997 North Hollywood bank shootout), but it is about as likely as my being struck by lightning in that parking lot. What is FAR more likely, however, is that little Olivia - a six year old - may see a duty (or even a compact) size autoloader and yell, “Mommy, that man has a gun,” which will immediately result in chaos in the supermarket, in the arrival of several police cruisers, and in one being extensively questioned by the responding officers. I suspect that eventually the police will identify the individual as a lawful citizen (presuming no statutes have been violated) and he’ll be released . . . but who needs such hassles? The FACTS - documented by countless experts - are: 1. that “psychological stops” (the mere appearance of a firearm) are very common and effective in successfully resolving a confrontation, without a shot being fired AND 2. that in most lawful defensive shootings, four or fewer rounds are fired, and the situation is successfully resolved.

@alwaysfaithfulholsters721

14 күн бұрын

15+1 in my carry (sometimes 17+1), two mags of at least 17 each, sometimes 19 each. 50 rounds to 56 rounds when I go out from the house. That many bullets should get me to my rifle….. ;)

@18wheeler77

14 күн бұрын

@@roykiefer7713best solution is always be aware and follow your instincts.

Well trained and good use of common sense helps you a lot! I prefer semi auto 9mm and my snubbie s&w 64 as back up.

I agree

I daily carry a sp101 in 327, so 6 rounds. I carry a speed strip with 6 more, which is so easy to carry. I'm OK with the capacity. Now, I'm a bit better trained so I'm comfortable with the revolver. If I'm in a protracted gun fight, something is seriously wrong. One huge advantage: most likely in CCW land, my fight will be hands on. I like the ability to do contact shots without failure due to the revolver. To each their own. Carry something, anything. Do it everyday. Carry a 22 LR if you must. Just be armed.

No, sir..Walmart in El Paso taught us that evil never rests. I will never carry a small capacity gun. BETTER HAVE IT AND NOT NEED IT, THAN NEED IT AND NOT HAVE IT.

When engaged in protecting our Church as part of our Safe Team, I carry a high capacity 9mm and an extra mag. During everyday life I carry an LCP 380. I practice monthly with all my pistols so I know that they work. Thanks

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

What do you foresee as the most likely threat that might confront your church? Serious question, I'm just curious.

For me and me only, the confort factor is related to weight. I absolutely love light snubbies, but my eyes are not wat they use to be and I have a real hard time picking up the sights. A year ago, I decided to try the ruger LCR 38 with 3" barrel that come with adjustable sights and changed the front blade for fiber optic. Now I have a package of 22 oz total with 2 reloads, 15 rounds total, light enough to carry all day, every day in a sticky holstereven in gym shirts. In exchange I'm giving up pocket carry. Granted I leave a very lay back live style.

My philosophy is to carry as much as you can but no more. In my case, I’m young and have a way overbuilt 2” gun belt, so carrying a full size double stack 1911 with a 15+1 capacity of .45ACP is no big deal. And I get a lot of firepower with that. But if someone else can only carry a J-frame air weight revolver, that’s still better than the full size .45 you left at home because it was too much of a pain to carry.

Two is one! I prefer one near-full size service weapon and one small backup. But if you want to go light, two small guns are almost as good. Never depend on a timely reload when you can just start using a second gun.

I am very comfortable with my IWI Masada S or S&W Shield Plus on my hip. I'm in Florida, so size matters when carrying concealed. I can dress comfortably and still have adequate capacity for any realistic scenario I might find myself in. Good video.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

Thank you!

I used to carry a gen 1 PPS for years and occasionally a Taurus 85. When the 365 came out I was interested in upgrading and eventually bought the Hellcat. Capacity is unlikely to ever be an issue, however, if I can carry more bullets in the same size package I will. Currently I have a Beretta 84bb because I felt like switching it up. Having a gun is most always going to be better than not having one, but assuming you can get to the gun and shoot it decently you're probably fine.

We never know but I rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

That's a great sentiment, but where does it end? Do you go about your day in full battle dress?

@mma709

14 күн бұрын

@@hrfunk yes I am in Southern Arizona I have fentanyl zombies and illegals and cartels

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

@@mma709 You have my sympathy. Is relocating an option?

@mma709

14 күн бұрын

@@hrfunk unfortunately not for a few years

I used to be of the same school of thought but I have learned that no matter where you go in this country people have just gotten crazy. I carry a S&W M&P SHIELD PLUS in .30SC, a round you need to reconsider. Very easy to carry and more than up to the challenge.

And here I am not being able to carry any handgun in my civilian life because CANADA. And we would be stuck to 10 rounds regardless due to our rediculous magazine limits. At least the C22 pistol we just got issued to my unit has a 18 round magazine. Every police officer here minus the real old timers carry striker fired handguns with 15 - 18 round capacities plus an AR 15 pattern rifle in every squad car, and our police have a supposedly higher standard of training vs many police agencies in the USA. Even in a relatively low crime, rural area like I live in that's still the case. Criminals here use smuggled handguns with magazines well above the 10 round legal limit, and that alone would be my justification on my carrying a handgun with minimum 15 round mag + 1 spare if it was legal to do so. Having said all that, I do believe training and shot placement is the most important factor on this topic. Certainly more than just capacity alone.

Good food for thought. My personal carry gun is a j frame in the pocket. The reason is I’m just not going to carry all of that chit around on my body anymore. 20 years of carry a duty rig with radio, baton, cuffs, and everything else got very old and caused lower back issues. And, I agree with the late, great Stephen Camp about running out of time before ammo. What most people fail to understand is that if you are confronted by even one armed criminal, he most likely has the drop on you; you are going to receive incoming while you are trying to fish that gun with all its gadgets on it out of your pants. If it’s multiple attackers, you can double your chances of taking rounds before you get thru the top 2 or three rounds of your 17 round magazine. Some people have ideations that are to the extreme to fantasy.

It only takes one accurate hit with the right ammo. That works in your handgun .

Revolvers have the added edge that if you are jumped you can fire them even if your gun us pressed up against the assailant. Being in a very close quarters fight if probably a more likely scenario than being confronted by multiple assailants who actually want to stick around once a gun is drawn.

@tomcurran8470

7 күн бұрын

A 1911 will also still be in battery if you press it against the target, as opposed to Glocks, for example.

Train,train and train!

Yes sir, absolutely correct, if the location is that skanky just don't go there! My EDC holds 10+1, with a spare mag because mags fail. If I need more than that, then the situation is more dire than I want to imagine.

My firearms instructor always said that if I needed more than the capacity my weapon has(in California we get ten! 🤬), that’s a big threat and that I’d go find someone better equipped for the job. I used to be one of those kids who thought, “Nah I need more rounds”, but after the soar in ammo prices and the red tape they make us go through here, I learned that I gotta make those shots count. Now thankfully in the armed security sector I never had to go through the OK Corral with anyone. SIDE NOTE: I always get a kick seeing your 342 and I always find myself kicking myself for NOT getting a J-Frame. LE UPDATE: Background Investigator has been delayed to AUGUST.. So I’ve been waiting a year and one month when that happens.

@hrfunk

12 күн бұрын

Unbelievable. I guess at least you have a (sort-of) timeframe for it to start.

A gun in hand beats a cell phone, on your person is better than in the vehicle glove box or a vault at home. Carry ammo too. Whatever selected be aware of its features and benefits versus advantages and disadvantages, train as often as you can, and be prepared for the aftermath ordeal of immersion into the system. As awful as that is it beats being snuffed or maimed. We don't know but the assailants do. They plan we react.

A S&W Shield+, or (my pick) a S&W Equalizer with 10, 13, or 15-round magazines makes more sense for me. One spare mag because most semi-auto malfunctions are magazine malfunctions. Small enough to carry, big enough to fight with. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. The fire extinguisher principle.

@hrfunk

14 күн бұрын

Or the cliche’ principle?

On the job for 36 years but never carried a J frame until after I retired and then only with a 3" barrel (unpleasant experience with a 2 1/2" model 19). Most of my off duty carry was a 1911A1. I even had impressive commentary from arrested suspects; "that is a big gun." My usual back up pistols were .380s. I used my custom 1911s in SWAT and as a serious social situations gun and obviously wasn't too concerned with number of rounds (but eventually had a Paraordinance P14 custom built that now acts as my night time go to gun). I now don't have an issue with slipping a 5-shot J frame in my pocket (with extra ammo) for a low risk run around town. If I have to go to areas I consider more risk than I am comfortable with (like our main courthouse area), I can carry an "adequate " pistol AND add a semi auto rifle to my truck if desired. Good topic.

I am greatly enjoying the diversity of opinions this video has generated; it’s a fine and worthwhile discussion, and I thank HR for initiating it. Lieutenant Colonel Jeff Cooper was a luminary thinker in the use of small arms for lawful, defensive purposes. The following is a relevant Cooper quotation: “It has never been clear to me why increased magazine capacity in a defensive pistol is particularly choice. The bigger the magazine the bigger the gun, and the bigger the gun the harder it is to get hold of for people with small hands. And what, pray, does one need all those rounds for? How many lethal antagonists do you think you are going to be able to handle? Once when Bruce Nelson was asked by a suspect if the thirteen-round magazine in the P35 was not a big advantage, Bruce’s answer was, ‘Well, yes, if you plan to miss a lot’.” Okay, a few things have changed since Cooper promulgated foregoing advice. BUT, despite some armed home invasions, some multiple felon car jacking, some anarchy, and so forth, the VAST majority of violent felonies remains one or two criminals preying on a single innocent or a family. I don’t “plan to miss a lot,” and for most of my likely threats mega-capacity is not required.

I always have 2 or 3 spare magazine!

@DARTHDANSAN

14 күн бұрын

And truck gun

@hrfunk

13 күн бұрын

I suspect you don't spend a lot of time in shorts & T-shirt.