Amiga PiStorm - Retro Power on a Budget - Tech Nibble
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A Pi Storm is coming! This Raspberry Pi based retro accelerator for the Commodore Amiga promises to deliver everything you could possibly want. Acceleration, SCSI hard disk emulation, RTG, RAM and a lot more all for the low price of a Pi and the PiStorm PCB. But does it live up to the promises? Here's my first impression of the new project.
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@properjob2311
3 жыл бұрын
You need to check out the Pitrex for the Vectrex - it is using.a pizero in a similar way. It is supporting playing arcade vector games (eg. Star Wars and Asteroids etc) using emulator running on the pi and it is driving the Vectrex's hardware directly..
@bazza5699
3 жыл бұрын
hi mum! lol
@horseradishpower9947
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. As for using a Raspberry Pi 4B, I would suggest they focus on the Compute Module 4. It would have the power, with none of the ports, and be more snug fitting.
@propinki
3 жыл бұрын
@RMC did you know that Monkey Island on stock A500 don't have moving clouds on title screen, but when you change to 020 you get them? MI is running on CPU no hardware acceleration this is bad :/
@horseradishpower9947
3 жыл бұрын
@@vardekpetrovic9716 The USB ports have to be removed, because they get in the way of things fitting properly. Hence the 3A+ being the ideal one. Frankly, I would argue the Comute Module 4 is the best option, as you don't have to unsolder anything, and will fit better.
"Far too many of them"? NEVER can you have too many Raspberry Pis! Never. Yes, this is a hill I am going to die on.
@vresi
3 жыл бұрын
True. I always find use for those things. I have plenty, and just ran out because I built another Pi1541 that I intended to use for a Octoprint server. Have to buy more!
@LordRenegrade
3 жыл бұрын
Uh, I have a confession to make - I don't even know how many Pis I have. I've lost count. It's not a problem though, I could quit any time! I just uhhhh.. choose not to!
Nice to see John Romero still hanging around. Always good to see him speak.
@DavePoo
3 жыл бұрын
And he was right, the Amiga wasn't good enough. I loved the Amiga and still have 2, but I moved to the PC with everyone else because the Amiga had not kept up with the advances in technology.
Imagine if somewone in 1990 would have said that the Amiga not only would be alive and kicking in 2021, but there would be tons of new expansions and wizardry like this for sale for it...
@nekomasteryoutube3232
3 жыл бұрын
HOnestly its probably doing better in modern day even here in North america than when these where being made and sold decades ago XD
@cyrus3055
3 жыл бұрын
I sure am glad I kept my old amigas. 2x500 and 2x600 :D
@falksweden
3 жыл бұрын
@@cyrus3055 For some strange reason I have a whole bunch of them today. I have no idea of how that happened. 🤷
@workingman00
3 жыл бұрын
in 1990 i bet they though that amiga would not have been dead after 4 years...
@wishusknight3009
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine telling them they could get an accelerator for $15 by combining it with a $20 credit card sized computer we all probably have just sitting around.
'Pie Storm' is what they call me at the local chippie.
@jyvben1520
3 жыл бұрын
i hope you run to the shop long way round and short way back home, the calories need defeating.
The Buffy? Gee, I wonder which upgrade that one is looking to... slay, one might say.
@neilreilly3966
3 жыл бұрын
Buffee the Nosferatu Killer
@ThePsychoticWombat
3 жыл бұрын
Buffy the pi eater?
This is the dream, revive my old Amiga 500 with modern parts for less than £100 up to an 020/30 speed, like you I just want to play Frontier the way my brain remembers it not the way it was :) also I'm planning on jazzing up my old beige case with some funky metallic paint scheme, New look exterior with genuine old school engine parts with a bit of modern help. Can't wait to see what the guys behind this come up with next.
wow.. I am just a owner of Amiga 500 without any mod and now i am drooling over this project. it is so fantastic for me because I always have thought about upgrading to get hard drive support for Amiga 500 - I think this is far more cheaper & practical way to do it. Thanks for very good info!!
Frontier intro still gives me shivers.
@stephanemignot100
3 жыл бұрын
I tried the Amiga version, dosbox and a real MT-32 is still the best way to play this masterpiece for me though...
@AlistairBrugsch
3 жыл бұрын
seen the Elite Dangerous remake of the the frontier intro? it's pretty cool. also a making of to go with it...
@Chordonblue
3 жыл бұрын
PC/VGA > Amiga 1200 > Atari ST w/MIDI > Amiga 500 stock IMHO. The initial ST version was FAST and with built-in MIDI, well...
Each time I watch one of your Amiga videos my eBay purchase inhibitors melt away, soon I’ll give in and get me another a500! Awesome video mate
@RMCRetro
3 жыл бұрын
Do it...dooooo it :D
@moonfestmadness
2 жыл бұрын
bloody hell hello winston :) ADV fan and avid retrohead here :)
High quality content created with careful consideration, as usual. Would love to visit the cave someday but I'm a long way away. A man can dream.
Hi Neil from Germany :-) !! Thank you for showing the PiStorm and also thank you for your (always) great content! My PiStorm pcb is currently being created (I seriously just ordered it 3h ago :-)) and the parts are also (hopefully) on their way... I hope to create one of those within the next weeks. Greetings, Nils
@RMCRetro
3 жыл бұрын
Nice one Nils, I hope you have fun with it!
@NilsRetroHobbyRoom
3 жыл бұрын
@@RMCRetro thanks :-)
@NilsRetroHobbyRoom
3 жыл бұрын
@@drphilxr I ordered the pcbs from a pcb manufacturing company and I also ordered the parts. I will assemble it on my own :-) In the discord server, they are right now beyond the 400 orders for an assembled one (or at least they were the last time I had a look). So I thought it is faster to create my own :-)
@dh2032
3 жыл бұрын
@@NilsRetroHobbyRoom what sort of kit are yuo using to make it, do you have links to the part needed to make one or two?
@NilsRetroHobbyRoom
3 жыл бұрын
@@dh2032 You get the gerber files and the bom from the PiStorm GitHub page: github.com/captain-amygdala/pistorm
Fantastic overview Neil. Love the snot green A500! Interesting that Damocles ran slower, I wonder if it runs like that on a real 030. Those disk speed benchmarks are crazy fast.
@saveddijon
3 жыл бұрын
My theory: the 030 has an MMU; the 020 does not. For some reason, Damocles is using the MMU (or it is enabled by a debug tool such as Enforcer) and the Pi is incurring more overhead doing the page table walks.
Neil, given that 700+ MB/sec speed is far greater than what an SD card is capable of, what you're seeing there is the virtue of the Linux VFS caching the hdf file in RAM.
@RMCRetro
3 жыл бұрын
Ah now that makes sense, thank you Linux!
@shadowtheimpure
3 жыл бұрын
That is a great use of the untapped RAM that the OS and emulator aren't using.
@Rocky1138
3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowtheimpure Doesn't the pistorm use the Pi's RAM to make up the 128 MB? Or is there 128 MB soldered onto the pistorm?
@shadowtheimpure
3 жыл бұрын
@@Rocky1138 It uses the Pi's RAM, but that still leaves a lot of memory unused since the OS and emulator are very lightweight.
Fascinating mix of HW and SW interfacing and emulation, shows some of the strengths and weaknesses of different ways of handling it. Really nice to see the A500 vs. Vampire vs. Pi-Storm comparisons side by side, thanks a lot for showcasing it all, Neil!
@wishusknight3009
3 жыл бұрын
I was happy to see this as well. For some odd reason I have never really liked the concept of the vampire accelerators. They seemed inauthentic somehow and just rob too much of the amiga magic. (just my opinion of course). But oddly I can get behind this one. Even though its total emulation, the open source community nature about it is somehow perfectly in line with one of the original principals of the amiga's ability to be adapted and enhanced with all kinds of tweaks. I really like the idea of this one. I also really love what Terrible Fire is doing too.
OMFG! I just realized the Buffy reference!
@AmigaWolf
3 жыл бұрын
I a huge fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but i must that part, because i do not know what your talking about?
@DarenPage
3 жыл бұрын
@@AmigaWolf one of the biggest accelerators for the Amiga is the Vampire...
@AmigaWolf
3 жыл бұрын
@@DarenPage Ok, Vampire, now i get it, thanks.
I discovered Damocles (Mercenary II) one night when checking out disks on an Atari ST my parents bought for me. I'd never seen anything like it and sunk many hours into it. I never did anything successfully but exploring the vast worlds was amazing for 12-year-old me. Mercenary III improved on it in some ways and had living worlds but soon after I moved to a PlayStation and onward to PC gaming. I still look back at the series in awe though. Same with Millenium - the game where Earth is dead and you start on the Moon base.
@RMCRetro
3 жыл бұрын
Likewise I spent so much time exploring. Frustratingly there was a PC and PlayStation version in development and screenshots exist showing lovely texture mapped world's....but it was cancelled
Neil, you are still the genius I remember employing all those years ago (twice) Really enjoyed this episode 👊👊
@RMCRetro
3 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks mate!
Every now and than I see a video where they play around with a Spectrum or an Amiga and run one of the games I remember fondly. And every time I get surprised that the graphics was that rudimentary and the frame rates that low. It's amazing how hard the brain will work to fill in those deficiencies. Talk about a free scan doubler, and I didn't have to mod a thing!
Thank you for this beautiful video, subscribed. I enjoyed this so much, I grew up an 80s baby playing many of the games you have shown here
Pro tip: Put the header pins in the socket, put the pcb on the header pins while in the socket, solder the corners and for something this large a few pins in the middle, then remove the board and solder the rest of the pins outside of the computer. Should work fine then..
That 1081 makes me really nostalgic. Granted my A500 came with a 1084, but the looks are just so iconic. Thank you for all the lovely videos about all the systems!
Great video, great product and finally the video quality is excellent!!!! Good job sir!
Great video.. Nice to see all the uses for the Pi boards.
I can't believe how well that Frontier intro runs on the Pi-Storm. Amazing.
Loving the Snotstorm 500! Looks more like an Amiga-cado to me 😅 The performance boost is awesome to see, particularly in Frontier. Every so often something like this comes along and you can tell it’s going to be a real game changer - if you pardon the pun...
Maybe the best PiStorm video to date, great work!
Nice preview of Stephen's vampire mounting plate for the A1500 mini :D
22:46 - My goodness, Lander.....I played that game a lot on my Acorn 3000 as a child, good memories ❤
Two of my most loved systems combined. Beautiful...
I so appreciate your care and devotion to breathing life into an Amiga 500, a computer I was pleased to own all those years ago. Thanks.
This would be great with a Pi CM4 board. It's tiny, but far more powerful than the Pi 3A+.
@jyvben1520
3 жыл бұрын
yeah, just watch jeff Geering, for cm4 projects in general, does board reviews/tests, Cm4 runs hotter probably, but if the amiga internal shield could be connected what a heatsink. just look at what the pi400 has internally, a big shield and clocks at 1800 mhz
Very good episode. Finally! Something practical that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, haha. :) Good presentation of the device, RMC. Thanks!
Brilliant episode Neil, I've been eagerly awaiting you to review the pistorm! Please stick with the A 500 initially. It's the machine that is the most impressive when given a 'boost'. Would also be really good to do a full install tutorial episode once the development has calmed down a bit. Looks like I have quite a wait for mine, but I do have the the Pi + ready and waiting. Really enjoy all your videos and you have been a godsend through all the lockdowns. Take care and thanks again.
Great presentation. This project looks amazing. I must get one of those :)
Awesome video! Especially love the inclusion of Hunter. Probably one of my all-time favourites. I spent entire summers playing it.
I'd love to see something like this for the Amstrad CPC machines. Maybe not the speed boost. But something that could add a hard drive type capability would be awesome. Or perhaps something that could emulate a DD1 interface for a CPC 464.
@wayland7150
Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how many of these types of things exist for old 1980's home computers. I've been playing with XRoar a Dragon 32 emulator for the PC. There is an FPGA upgrade for the CoCo3, similar to the Dragon.
15 months later and waiting for an update young man!!
There are some interesting possibilities for these modules far beyond gaming. The 68000 series are used in many pieces of test equipment from the era. It would be interesting to try this upgrade out next time I have a repair to do!
These videos are awesome. Thank you !
The green Amiga is a beaut! 😍 amazing that people are still making upgrades to these computers
Oh this looks perfect for me. I've got kids who would love to play with my A500, but the HDD and Floppies make them a bit uneasy. This would be a great drop in setup for them.
@vresi
3 жыл бұрын
@thecouchtripper Do you know how easy it is to wreck an Amiga file system?
@bigd5090
2 жыл бұрын
@@vresi Make Back ups to protect the OS? Use AmiDock to make their favourite games more accessible with a shorcut? Use iGame or similar WHDLoader?
@vresi
2 жыл бұрын
@@bigd5090 Backups won't protect the OS from crashing from improper handling, it just makes a backup of it. And we're talking about kids, here. I know how to handle my OS from crashing but kids are a tiny, itty bit more reckless.
I'd love to see an update on this, I recently purchased the PiStorm and was hoping your video would be a nice setup guide, as a trusted youtuber! :D
For the 68030 slowdown issues, my only idea is that the '030 had a really flexible MMU with multiple page size options, which is a real pain to emulate correctly. The '040 has a simplified MMU, so as far as memory management is concerned, emulation can be much faster. If there's an option to disable the '030 MMU emulation, try that. Even if the MMU isn't being used by the OS, just having it enabled may slow things down a lot.
That's high quality content. Great preview.
It's a two prong Front. the Vampire team and now the Pi Storm team are racing to get Universal HDMI support going. This makes the Amiga enhanced world exciting and on edge.
It's a great time to be an Amiga enthusiast :) Vampire is facing some stiff competition now. It makes more sense to use FPGA to recreate the classic chipset and use a cheap ARM CPU to do the number crunching
@jyvben1520
3 жыл бұрын
and it has hdmi out, saw it working on another channel, nice
It is amazing what developers are coming up with and able to do it at a reasonable price. We have the PiStorm for the Amiga, and Apple II have the Apple II pi, Commodore utilizes a pi as an accurate emulator for the 1541 floppy drive, and over in the microcontroller field the ESP32 is used in the FujiNet that greatly enhances the Atari 8-bit line. I wonder what this could do on a Macintosh.
Awesome stuff! Thanks for the video :-)
Guac-Amiga since it comes with chips 🥑
Great video and a really great device. I am curious what will come next. Greetings, Doc64!
Three months to go for the next pistorm update video!! I installed my pistorm yesterday and cant wait for the next video.
The voice over the 1clickprint advert reminded me so much of Bullseye. “Picnics will never be the same again” etc etc 🤣
I love these amiga videos 👍
7:15 No, it's an Amiga Key Lime Pi!
@RMCRetro
3 жыл бұрын
You win!
That is so Cool, i will test it on my 500 . THX for this video
This is so freaking cool, especially if you're the double whammy of an Amiga fan and a Linux person.
you have nice: show, room, game choice, green
Some of these projects are as amazing as much as also thinking what Amiga owners think authentic - enough. In one hand, a purist says "that is just emulation on PI" but on other hand, that is kinda amazing. Having completely separate computer run emulated parts of the machine while communicating directly with other parts of the machine and being way more affordable than the more "genuine" upgrade kits. Bloke like me would start to ask when will you just emulate the games on your PC and get retro modern vibes by doing amiga on your PC but it was even explained in this video what does it good for RMC.
I remember buying a 030 25 MHZ upgrade for my Amiga back in the day with 4 MB of fast ram on board. It cost me $650 from what I remember (back in the 90's when $650 was a lot of money) . After plugging it in I noticed the substantial speed increase not to mention now having 5 MB of RAM
Nice bit of kit mate looks sick
@kelvin1316
3 жыл бұрын
Well it is green, so your right maybe it isn't feeling that well! 🤣🤣🤣😇
Great episode Neil! I remember back in the day, I had a “turbo” patched version of Stunt Car Racer that made use of my A1200’s 030 accelerator and fast ram. Presumably it would also be effective on the PiStorm?
Nostalgia is strong with this one. Indeed
Such an exciting project!
I saw "Legends Of Valour" in your folder😊 My first 3D game, give it a try! As I remember, the view size had to be reduced a lot to run properly on a stock A500.
Excellent review of an interesting product for those who already own an Amiga. Sadly I don’t, and when I looked at current selling prices I realised I probably never will.
Give us the DIY Episode!!! I love them! Do more then 1 week a month.. Do 1 Month DIY! Love Your Channel
I can tell your channel is truly taking off when you had John-freaking-Romero make a commentary! Gratsz!
@DaveVelociraptor
3 жыл бұрын
Neil interviewed John and Brenda and if you come back next week you'll be able to watch it
Finally a reasonable price for an A500 hdd an accelerator. Been waiting a long time for something like this
The Pi Zero 2W is now supported. The new zero is essentially Pi 3A/B+ recreated in the Zero form factor. It has less RAM (512MB is not an issue for PiStorm) and a lower default clock speed (1GHz).
Nice review 👍👍
Fantastic bit of kit. Lovely that people have another option to accelerate their machine.
This is an excellent little project. Hopefully at some point they'll get it working on a 1200, as that is all I have currently. Looking at it though, at some stage I think a compute 4 version might be a better option than the standard pi, though it would up the pcb cost, but as long as they don't change the pi compute 5 (or later version) format it would make it much more compact potentially.
Very informative, Neil. You touched on several things I've not seen mentioned in other videos. I would be interested in knowing if you ran into any of the issues Dan did on loading game from disk with the PiStorm installed.
@RMCRetro
3 жыл бұрын
I saw that, Dan did a great video. This Amiga has a Gotek in and I didn't run into problems but I haven't tried Lemmings from it specifically, I should go back and try, although I will 99% be using it from the WHDLoad SCSI setup and I did load Lemmings from that with no problems.
Love my tf330 CD32
Awesome! I need to get one of these :)
Great stuff as usual! Could it be the additional instructions on the 30-CPU that slows the Pi down compared to the 20?
The PC laptop for configuration is similar to the 'management console' used by the large IBM mainframes and midrange systems, usually an IBM Thinkpad or a small xSeries is used for. That's what every Amiga needs and deserves.
Besides the WSL addition, Windows 10 already has an SSH client included for the CMD and PowerShell commandline tools (out of the box). There is no need to use Putty anymore. If you want drag&drop file SCP transfer, you can use the free SSH client tool from Bitvise; it has many features, including a SOCKS 5 proxy server for tunneling the internet over the SSH connection.
An impressive review!
@RMCRetro
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brian
HI I miss Amiga 500 and My Amiga CD32 , I remember playing Speedball ,and shadow of the Beast for hours
I can't help but wonder if the reason for the speed decrease when it's set as a 030 over an 020 is a result of it emulating the 030s data cache, while the 020 only has an instruction cache? That certainly would add a level of complexity I'd imagine. I love this project, and I look forward to the day I can get one for my A600!
Soon time for the revisit :)
This is such a cool project. Imagine using a Raspberry Pi to emulate other chips that are impossible to source these days. It bodes well for the future of these devices.
@MarkTheMorose
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, like the TED chip and CPU in the Commodore 264 series.
my day is made when i log into youtube and see a video from the cave.. :) *grabs cuppa and settles in*
I would like to have that right now. I have a couple of amiga 500 I need to upgrade asap!
I still have an old Amiga 1000 with a sidecar expansion (can't remember how much RAM now) but it would be kind of cool to get it working with newer kickstart versions. I do wonder though if it would be better to just emulate the whole experience? I guess I may not miss the nostalgia of the original hardware as others out there...
@maverickbna
Жыл бұрын
Hey I have an A1000 as well, and just am getting ready to order a Parceiro accelerator for it. I'd love to build my software library further, maybe find some other local owners. Greetings from Seattle, USA!
Very cool stuff.
*Still so amazed by this. I really want to get my Amigas back up and working just hope they are OK in the loft!*
@AlistairBrugsch
3 жыл бұрын
depending on the model, maybe not... a A500 plus will need it's battery removing PRONTO. A600 and A1200's capacitors will probably be leaking and wild temperature swings won't be doing any of them any good. Disks will probably be getting mould on the surface (which can be cleaned until it destroys the surface)
@cartayno
3 жыл бұрын
Get them re-capped, batteries out...now! Or they may not survive...
@StayCoolKeto
3 жыл бұрын
@@cartayno I know, mate! it is scaring me to death about that! But im in Thailand and my Amigas are back in England! TT
It is amazing what can be done with modern kit these days. Already having a 030 card and a 040 card not much point but the hard drive and HDMI video output is something to think about. 😜😍
nice video, thanks
If they could get the native graphics out of the HDMI port, that really would be the bees knees!
@FluffyPuppyKasey
2 жыл бұрын
There's a project called the RGBtoHDMI that, combined with a splitter, should do the trick!
Very nice video. About 3D games that seems not to be accelerated, do not forget that only CPU is boosted, so if any operations in the rendering process is done by the blitter, it will be the bottleneck. About 030, the only things that can influence performances is the data cache. News instructions will ne be used (because games seen are designed to run on 68000). There are some programs that can disable data/instruction caches. Instruction cache was introduced with 020 and data cache with 030. Using self modified code can improved performance on stack 68000 or 68010 but be terrible for other members of the m68k family. I do not know how emulation is done but perhaps killing caches can change performances
I really hope that the PiStorm team can sort out those interrupt/chipset timing issues so I can leave it installed for good. Being able to make all future changes by Wifi is such a treat. In the current state however PiStorm is not yet a viable replacement for classic accelerators, at least for me. That'll certainly change once my all time favourite games work ;-)
Looks fantastic ... Now if only I could find something for old COCOs!
THAT LIME AMIGA IS A BEAUT.
Very impressive! I do wonder though, if so much is being emulated on the Pi, what do you need the Amiga for LOL 😆 ♥️
@Daz555Daz
2 жыл бұрын
This is only emulating the CPU.
🎵It's raining Pi hallelujah...🎵
looking forward to that RGB-over-HDMI video output solution