The reason the police don't give any details, is because it gives people time to come up with an excuse, and discuss the details with other potential suspects. If you're going to interview witnesses, you need honest answers. The less people know, the more reliable the answers will be.

"Are you illegally detaining us?" "Not illegally." He completely misses the point that he's being LEGALLY detained.

@kezlana6907

4 ай бұрын

Not surprising he missed it, his arrogance will cloud all thinking.

@raphaelperry8159

4 ай бұрын

That's a rather polite way of putting it.

@renatewest6366

4 ай бұрын

The worst of it I wish he would just be quiet and let the Police Officer finish speaking.Talking and interrupting. I am Australian by the way

@lloydcollins6337

4 ай бұрын

He missed it on purpose because it helps his aims. He sees it as either he's being illegally detained, or he's free to go. There's no third option in his head.

@insanebe1

4 ай бұрын

Actually, UK police don't have the power to detain people without arresting them (with a few exceptions, for example, if they believe someone is about to commit acts of terrorism, if a property is being searched, to prevent a breach of the peace or in a "Stop and Search"). In this specific case the suspect hasn't actually been detained, it is a trick to make him stay voluntarily. The point at which he has been detained is when the police physically stop him from leaving, and at that point, the police will be guilty of false imprisonment. But they don't stop him from leaving so they are not guilty of false imprisonment. Telling someone they are being detained is not the same as actually detaining them, it was simply a trick.

This sort of thing shows why British people talk about arrogant Americans.

@lindylou7853

2 ай бұрын

Just because he’s an American doesn’t mean he can ignore our law … although your military get away with running people down in cars by claiming diplomatic immunity … oh no, that was a military wife driving on the wrong side of the road in this country and killing a lad on a motorcycle and immediately fleeing to America to avoid charges and a court case … and although we have to send Brits to America upon request for anything, someone charged with manslaughter here gets away with it because it’s an American just killing a British citizen because of dangerous driving. 10 Americans have just been detained because they brought in live ammunition and guns into the Turks and Caicos islands against local and British law … of course the Americans lawyer up snd there’s a diplomatic incident … Americans have no fight to bear arms anywhere British or in any of our territories or tourist spots …

Guys I'm genuinely surprised that you seem to think that if a witness/suspect tells a police officer they don't know or haven't seen anything that the police should just accept that. Are you unaware of a thing called lying?

@rosa32

4 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly.

@EmilyCheetham

4 ай бұрын

Yep. Anyone can say “I don’t know”, “I didn’t see anything”, “I’m not involved”. Doesn’t mean it is true.

@alecleamus3280

4 ай бұрын

Excellent point 👍

@kezlana6907

4 ай бұрын

I know right. I'm surprised that wasn't obvious tbh

@lauralee98

3 ай бұрын

Even then they may not yet be aware they've seen something that turns out to be really important that noone realises yet. They are soooo stupid.

The police woman said at the start it was a serious assault and that the reason he couldn't use the bathroom is that it was currently a crime scene. They have to keep anyone who was in the property, or just outside it there until they have worked out exactly what has occurred. They might think they haven't witnessed anything, but maybe the perpetrator walked past them and they saw him without knowing what he'd done. It makes sense to get a full description, then question people. Also they could have been involved. Criminals aren't famous for their honesty to police so them saying they haven't done or seen anything doesn't mean much while the situation is unfolding. I thought the police were very patient.

He seems to think being American gives him a free pass to disrespect the police. He is being is quite rude. He is being arrogant and trying to provoke a reaction. The police officer has requested he remain politely and she has tried to explain why.

@meme4013

4 ай бұрын

A request and an order are two different things

@CarolWoosey-ck2rg

4 ай бұрын

He justified the stereotype that lots of people have of Americans whether justified or not ; he brings up race the usual caveat - arrogant and provocative - can't see him getting away with this crap on America

@sallyannwheeler6327

4 ай бұрын

@@CarolWoosey-ck2rgExactly! Is taking advantage of the politeness of the police.

@stephensmith4480

4 ай бұрын

@@sallyannwheeler6327 I thought the Police were being more than reasonable with this Arrogant Muppet. A lot of City's in this country, mine included, he would have been in the back of a van, long before all that drawn out saga.

@jules.8443

4 ай бұрын

I also think he thinks they are holding him because he is black. And to protect themselves, they are holding the white guy too. I think they were both in the building behind them where the incident happened & that's why they are being detained.

The "best" part about this is that he is the one who uploaded the video, thinking it made him look clever and he taught them a lesson. Literally every comment on the video is people telling him what an absolute berk he is.

@hellsbells8689

4 ай бұрын

I'm applauding your use of the Cockney Rhyming Slang word Berk. Berkeley Hunt. 👏 He truly was a berk.

@TheOrlandoTrustfull

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I am a cockney, for my sins

@hellsbells8689

4 ай бұрын

@@TheOrlandoTrustfull I'm not but grew up in the East Midlands in the late 1960s. For some reason I seemed to hear it a lot. It may have been on the TV but I remember asking my Dad what so n so meant and he'd tell me what it meant and how the rhyming worked. I loved it. I have an American fiance and he uses it now and then too. Which is amazing to hear in his Mid West US accent. lol I'm that old I remember the term a Jodrell before it was changed to Thomas. 🤣🤣🤣

@OEDODRAGON

4 ай бұрын

@@hellsbells8689 I didn't know 'berk'/'burk' was cockney rhyming slang.

@hellsbells8689

4 ай бұрын

@@OEDODRAGON Yeah, Berkeley Hunt. It became a much used word, even the TV shows allowed it. You can say what you really mean by using that word and to recipient will think you called them a bit of an idiot, at worst.🤣🤭

I hate this guy haha. It’s obvious you can’t use the bathroom cause that’s somewhere you can get rid of a weapon or drugs before you are arrested, of course the guy can’t use his phone the police don’t know if he’s contacting someone who was involved in the assault. Just stand there allow the police to do their job and then enjoy the rest of your day

@jacklomas7773

4 ай бұрын

I thought of course let him put drugs down the toilet.

@FreezingFx

3 ай бұрын

IT'S THE CRIME SCENE for gods sake how often does this have to be said. Its not even about possibly destroing evidence. it's about not letting ppl piss all over your crime scene.

@Cleow33

2 ай бұрын

Also DNA evidence could be destroyed/ washed away if they let a suspect use the bathroom.

They’re not “being selective” guys - clearly a crime has taken place inside a premises as they said. These guys were in there. Therefore until they know what’s gone on they will be detained. People walking by on the other side of the street are clearly nothing to do with it. If I was the police officer this guy’s behaviour would make me suspicious quite honestly

The police here have the right to detain you if they think you are part of a crime or have witnessed one. This is to prevent witnesses walking off and never being found again. There are time limits on how long they can hold you. The law is the law. It doesn't matter if you're annoyed or bored. It is what it is.

@I_Never_Read_Comment_Replies

4 ай бұрын

Only if you are under arrest. No charge means you are legally free to go. If they physically detain you they are guilty of kidnapping and assault, and you are legally allowed to defend yourself.

@RyanSmith-on1hq

4 ай бұрын

@@I_Never_Read_Comment_Replies You're 100% wrong. You can be place in detention, this is different from arrest. Detaining you isn't kidnapping and 'defending' yourself against the police will get you remanded. There's very strict criteria for self-defence here. If somebody walks up and punches you, fighting them back isn't even self-defence. You should be trying to escape and only fighting back if you can't escape. This is how the law works.

@meme4013

4 ай бұрын

Why could they not answer are we being detained then. "Were asking you to stay sir" what law is that?

@RyanSmith-on1hq

4 ай бұрын

@@meme4013 Within a couple of seconds she says he's being detained, didn't you watch the video? Go to 2:22 . "Are we being detained?", "Yes, you're being detained". She doesn't need to keep telling him this. His inability to retain information is not her problem.

@muchsake

4 ай бұрын

They would have finished explaining if he had ever bothered to listen rather than constantly interrupting. @@meme4013

Context means nothing; the American is in the UK. If the police order you to do something, you do it simple

What it doesn't show in this video the American guy was arrested for obstructing the police.

@Rachel_M_

4 ай бұрын

Jolly kind of the police to give him complimentary bed and breakfast in the custody suite.

@richardhicks222

4 ай бұрын

just said that thought he would talked him self right in it pmsl

@thomasmumw8435

4 ай бұрын

🤣

@Jeni10

4 ай бұрын

Yes, because the original of this video is from the American guy’s own channel! An arrest proves he wasn’t as knowledgeable as he assumed.

@terrystewart1973

4 ай бұрын

Good

The guys allegedly assaulted a woman kn a hotel bar. The Black guy allegedly headbutted a woman. They were later arrested. He was let out the next day on bail and the case was eventually dropped due to her not wishing to press charges.

@InConsulting

4 ай бұрын

I'd have pressed charges on principal.

@MrsLynB

4 ай бұрын

Wow I actually didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing.

@lloydcollins6337

4 ай бұрын

@@InConsulting In the UK you don't get a choice - the Crown presses charges because someone has broken the King's Peace. Cases often do collapse however because the main witness/victim refuses to give a statement or give evidence in court, without which evidence the defendant won't be found guilty.

@Flappatackle

4 ай бұрын

And you know this, how exactly?

@acroydon

4 ай бұрын

@reactingtomyroots

I have seen this before and this guy thinks US laws apply in the UK and is just being an arrogant idiot. I just love it when the idiot says “I’m American so I know” 😂😂😂 you have to admire these two policewoman for not loosing it Steve they were asking everyone in the building for a statement I am so pleased he was arrested

@renatewest6366

4 ай бұрын

Imo.You need the patience of a Saint on that situation on behalf of the Police women.I would have had to bite my tongue and" could you just be quiet for a moment.( Shut up). I believe she did ask him to listen bur he arrogantly kept talking over her

@som6771

Ай бұрын

I'm sorry, I can't help it but it's losing.

That dude is being a jerk to the police officers

@Lynnwoody1

4 ай бұрын

I'm from West Brom.

@gtaylor331

4 ай бұрын

You appear to be a highly educated and magnificent individual. COYB

@sallyannwheeler6327

4 ай бұрын

The policewomen were far too soft!

@101steel4

4 ай бұрын

​@@sallyannwheeler6327that's the problem with box ticking.

@jeffwhite-ri5th

4 ай бұрын

You have an Eastern European & an American mouthing off a crime took place & these two were there I would just say 70% of street robberies in Britain are by blacks & they play the victim & shout racism

Un educated is the word I would use here. Unbelievably rude to the officers. It’s obvious that what ever happened, happened in the building that they’re both coming out of. Simple it’s not hard to understand. The guy is a a idiot

@DermotKieran1

4 ай бұрын

I'd say wilfully ignorant rather than uneducated. Someone uneducated can be educated, but it's impossible to educate the wilfully ignorant.

@CuriosityKilledTC

4 ай бұрын

@@DermotKieran1 that your right but in this case the man in question is very ignorant and in a country which he should respect the law of the land. and I don’t think if given the chance would want to be educated. I’m English and I would never talk to the police like that. Granted there are some that will but then again they will.

At the beginning of the video the police inform them that a serious assault had occurred.

The Bathroom was the scene of the alleged crime , they were currently asking for details from the the person alleging the crime . The asked the people to stay while they sorted that out …..these people could be involved , that has not been confirmed yet ……the video guy tried to use US law ! They also do not want to give the guy too many details so he has less of a chance of making a story until he has been questioned . These are not US police !

From what I've gleaned over time, this is outside a pub where a violent assault took place, involving a number of men. The whole pub is a crime scene and those who were present are held there while investigations are ongoing. It seems that one of the men involved in the ruckus was black, therefore as the guy filming is black, he is considered a person of interest until cleared. People in the street walking by are nothing to do with the event, that is why they are not being stopped by the police here.

Watching this I understand why so many police shoot people in the USA it's exasperation. Okay, joking aside I was in the police for 20 years and most of my time was spent as a specialist firearms officer although I was originally a normal constable dealing with the public. Ironically after I'd taken early retirement and moved back to my hometown I was detained by a couple of Glasgow coppers who asked me to accompany them. My clothing matched that of a suspect who attempted to rob the bookmakers and the staff saw me and said "not him." Just be calm and patient most of us are just trying to do our jobs. The more someone argues the longer it takes to do things and the more suspicious we become of you.

@DermotKieran1

4 ай бұрын

Yup, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that being belligerent and confrontationally evasive just makes you appear very suspicious.

UK police will not detain someone for no reason. They could be required to give a witness statement irrespective of whether they say that they haven't seen anything. Interviewing witnesses is a major way of producing evidence that a particular witness wouldn't have thought relevant. If he wanted to leave he should have just tried to leave and then he would have seen what would happen after that. It would not have been good for him.

they sexually assaulted a woman but she didnt want to press charges as most sexual assault victims in the uk drop charges

@MGX93dot

2 ай бұрын

thats not how it works in the UK. you cannot "press charges", that is an american term. if you report a crime, it is up to the police to decide to press charges or not (evidence dependant, etc)

In the UK, it’s policing by consent so being told to stay put is being actually ordered politely to stay put.

They said at the start a serious assault.

In the description of the original video, by the American, the police kindly gave him a complimentary bed and breakfast in the custody suite. Jolly kind of them ☺

@EmilyCheetham

4 ай бұрын

😆

@bdi8541

4 ай бұрын

I wonder if he was chanting USA USA as he was being marched off to the station 😂

We don’t have a single constitution, we have the Magna Carta and bill of rights which invented the very concepts

@alanmon2690

4 ай бұрын

The first Magna Carta was annulled by tthe Pope in Rome...

@peterjackson4763

4 ай бұрын

@@alanmon2690 It was reissued several times, but no part is current law in the UK.

Guys! If a criminal offence has been committed and the police arrive they do not get a written synopsis of what happened and how it happened and who was involved on their arrival!!! They have to ask questions, detain people, investigate evidence, FIND OUT what happened. They can't just let everyone go in case the guilty person is amongst the "bystanders". If you are not guilty then what's the problem?? Why not just wait with good grace and let them do their jobs?

You would be a terrible judge, they were most likely guilty, being held through conversation until they could build a case against them. UK police do not hold you without due cause.

@waynelowe3329

4 ай бұрын

From reading the comments it seems they was guilty and they were arrested.

If you do get arrested here the police caution is different to the US. "You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence." There is no 5th amendment right here. You are required to cooperate and if you dont then there could be consequences. Perverting the course of justice is taken seriously. This guy was being a jerk and trying to be clever when he was only showing ignorance.

@sirderam1

4 ай бұрын

In Scotland the old caution is still used. It does not require a person to "mention when questioned something they later rely on in court". You don't have to say anything if you don't want to and no inference may be drawn from that.

@sirderam1

4 ай бұрын

@scottneil1187 So how were you cautioned? Were you cautioned? The Scottish version is; You do not have to say anything, but anything you do say may be written down and given in evidence. (Or words to that effect.) There is no requirement to mention something that you later rely on in court. Also, the prosecutor cannot imply that your silence during police questioning is in any way suspicious or indicative of guilt. I know someone who has powers of arrest in both the Scottish and English jurisdictions and they have to be careful to use the correct form of caution depending on which jurisdiction they happen to be in.

@jacquieclapperton9758

4 ай бұрын

​@@sirderam1When G7/8 or whatever was held at Gleneagles, there were a load of English police up here 'helping'. I heard that a few of the demonstrators arrested had to be let go by the sheriff because the English charge had been used despite the officers being given the Scottish charge. Interestingly, a bunch of Met officers were held back because the guy in overall charge thought that they were "too confrontational".

@sirderam1

2 ай бұрын

@@jacquieclapperton9758 Only just noticed your comment a couple of months later. English police officers have no special powers of arrest (other than citizens arrest, which we all have) in Scotland unless they have been sworn and warranted by a Scottish court. The same applies in reverse to Scottish police officers in England. So it may have been that the English officers had attempted to exercise powers of arrest which they simply did not have in Scotland, in addition to the improper caution.

@jacquieclapperton9758

2 ай бұрын

@@sirderam1 They were certainly issued with copies of the Scottish charge and arrested people who went in front of the sheriff so nothing was contested until the question of the charge was brought up. It's possible that they were temporarily warranted en masse on a list of names or similar.

If you're confrontational then things are going to escalate pretty quickly, no matter which country you're in.

@ire923

3 ай бұрын

that's Americans are involved in so many wars.

Lindsay misheard the P.C's and thought they said Casey. The officers said P.C. which stands for police constable. A rank in british policing.

His behaviour alone is grounds for suspicion that he is somehow involved. If he keeps mouthing off, he'll find himself arrested for obstruction.

@siloPIRATE

4 ай бұрын

Comments tell me that he was arrested

@foreverlv311

3 ай бұрын

Yeah he got nicked 😂

The case is none of 'your' business. It's a private matter. It's crazy to me that during an investigation that the police would tell you details of a crime.

"Going to the bathroom" also known as "flushing the evidence down the toilet" or "Hiding a weapon". Their behaviour was suspicious and these police were more polite than I would have been.

So where they are standing there is a hotel behind them. A sexual assault took place by a couple of men. Here in the uk you can be detained for 24 hrs . These two men were detained for 24 hrs! They were not involved but the American became more verbally aggressive. Tried to go back into the hotel. This was filmed in real time.

@MrsLynB

4 ай бұрын

@@scottneil1187 not as far as I’m aware tbh

@MrsLynB

4 ай бұрын

@@scottneil1187 just read further down the guy was involved my apologies.

@mehallica666

4 ай бұрын

One of them was involved... and guilty. The victim didn't want to press charges. Edit: My apologies, I should have read the replies first.

@MrsLynB

4 ай бұрын

@@mehallica666 ahh no worries. I actually didn’t realise he actually did anything

He's a grown man, he can hold his bladder for a few minutes, he's not a 2 year old. If he really needed the toilet, he'd cooperate to get it over with and he'd be on his way. He was just desperate to be a victim.

@meme4013

4 ай бұрын

How do you know it was only a few minutes

@renatewest6366

4 ай бұрын

In certain circumstances in Australia, the Police accompany you and wait outside toilet.

"Educated American" Two words you don't often see together 😁

You are doing exactly what this guy was doing by interpreting things as you understand them with all this if they are singled out or if they have a description etc. The fact is that in the UK if a crime has been committed then an Officer can detain anyone at the scene for a reasonable time whilst they make their enquiries. The reason for the trash is that this took place during the Notting Hill Carnival event.

@vaudevillian7

4 ай бұрын

100%

It was a sexual assault in the bathroom. One of them was eventually arrested. They could not allow access to bathroom as it was the scene of the crime. The assailant was released the following day as the lady concern didn’t want the drama of pressing charges.

@Millennial_Manc

4 ай бұрын

Source?

@ruthletts9752

4 ай бұрын

@@Millennial_Manc my cousin on duty that day!

@reactingtomyroots

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. That definitely helps to paint the full picture of what was going on.

If he's innocent, it's costs nothing to comply and wait for the police to do their work.

The more confrontational you are the more police show up, the police won't let you leave the scene in case you get rid of any evidence, they would rather take you to the police station and search you ( depending on the crime ) Be polite and cooperative and it will be over quicker. Our police will try to talk you through procedures and what's happening but if someone isn't listening it will take longer Nobody is above the law. If police get attacked ( and they do ) they have a red emergency button they press and every police officer in the area will go to the scene to help the officer

The mental gymnastics that went into trying to defend this guy are crazy 😂 imagine if I went over to America and said "I'm from Britain, I know" and tried to leave, I would have a firearm pulled on me.

There was a "vague" description. That could also mean no skin colour was given. It could just be "two young adult males", or even "two men with American accents".

@EmilyCheetham

4 ай бұрын

Agreed or a man of …… height or men of …… age?

Her saying he fits the vague description and him saying he fits the description are not conflicting statements

@Phiyedough

4 ай бұрын

Yes, if he is of a higher rank he will probably know more of the details.

Watched this before from the original uploader and a few comments said that one of them WAS arrested,and the other one was held but released. These comments said the offence was sexual assault.

I have to say, You were right on some points, but very very off on others. I love your channel - But I also highly disagree you would be a "good judge" (Almost anyone who touts they would be a good judge, would not be a good judge....). Someone matches the description, they are clearly together, so if one is the perpetrator, the other could be an accomplice. I would also like to say, if this man didn't pull out a camera straight away and simply answered the questions, he would have been allowed to leave. Honestly. He's acting weird - That in itself is a reason to hold someone. They haven't helped themselves with the "need the bathroom" thing. Is he going to dump drugs? Dump weapons? They are fixated on this, The police think it's weird. That's a good reason to hold someone.

I have seeen enough US police body cam videos to know that by now this guy would have been i handcuffs and in the back of car while the police continue to investigate. The calm and politness of these officers is beyond professional. Also notice how although still argumentative is attitude changes a bit when it is a male officer, he thinks he can bully the females officers more easily. The British police attitude is very much you show us respect and co-operate and we will do the same. This guy showed no repect so how could he think he was entitled to the same.

I believe this was filmed during Notting Hill Carnival. The biggest street Carnival outside of Brazil with over a million people attending each day. There was a serious assault within one of the pubs within the route. The police stopped everyone that was in the pub or drinking outside.

A typical American attitude as seen and heard from most countries outside of their own. Then wonder why they're not thought of in a good light.

@KSmeaton1

4 ай бұрын

Thankfully Steve and Linds aren't all entitled like this.

This guy thinks that his laws from America can be used which ever country he visits. He needs to be educated on different country laws.

@mehallica666

4 ай бұрын

The majority of Americans think this. They also think every country accepts US dollars as payment.

He's plain old rude and arrogant 😡😡

I've seen this interaction before a couple of times,and really can't bear to watch it again. This version has narration, which I haven't heard before. (BTW the police officers introduced themselves as 'PC Hawkins' and 'PC Jones' - not 'Kasey'. PC is Police Constable) The police officers are so patient for so long. I'd have lost it with the guy.

@steveselby6201

4 ай бұрын

Same here I can’t watch that moron again.

They have said several times, it’s an assault. This guy has been told that. It’s not a case of calm down, he’s not angry, he’s just an arrogant idiot.

The American sounds a bit like a "Karen" different Countries have different Rules. Would he expect to be able to drive on the American side of a UK Road?

@user-TonyUK

4 ай бұрын

He definatly sounds like one of the Sov Citizens idiots

@cornwallcrafter8410

4 ай бұрын

No, that's Anne Sacoolas

@meme4013

4 ай бұрын

Very vague, what rules did they break. Give them an inch they'll take a mile.

@meme4013

4 ай бұрын

@scottneil1187 oh really... and there was me thinking I heard her say they weren't allowed to leave because "you might be a witness" must have imagined it pal.

@meme4013

4 ай бұрын

@scottneil1187 am I free to leave said the man? Err um err it's been explained enough times replied the PC. am I free to leave repeated the man, if you just bare with me, interjected her colleague. Wonder why they couldn't say yes or no.

A policeman used to be referred to as a "bobby" because it was Sir Robert Peel who founded the Metropolitan Police Service in the 1800s. And yes, the American in this video was being a complete jerk.

@rachelrice9266

2 ай бұрын

I came here to say why they are called 'Bobby's' too 😊

Reasonable suspicion is all that's needed to detain him based on a description given of suspects involved

They would have to tell him the crime if they were arresting him but not when temporary detaining him

Haha, so good to see Americans also cringe at the, “I’m American so I know.” That phrase is basically the international equivalent of The Karen’s, “I demand to see the manager.” Lol

The original video was shared by the arrogant bloke to show how smart he is. As I understand it, and somewhat ironically, his obstructive attitude eventually landed him in jail for the night for hampering the investigation. At that point the police were trying to unravel what happened, who was involved, who were witnesses, etc.. This guy says he isn’t a witness but he is ignorant. He doesn’t know that what he has seen or heard might conceivably be a vital piece of information. (Did you notice that he was slightly more accepting of the male officer’s words than the female ones?)

The officer said the incident happened in the building, so I don't think they're stopping random people. I think the 2 guys were also in the building. That's why they are the main subjects at the moment. That's also why the guy walking on the road was was free to do so.

Let’s face it…the police will not detain you unless they SUSPECT that person of a crime. End off! 👏👏👏 Reminder to you two…UK laws are different from US Laws. US laws have been adapted due to the horrendous events and police abuse that has occurred in the US. These laws do NOT apply here in the U.K.

@KSmeaton1

4 ай бұрын

They know our laws are different. They just haven't learned about them yet.

The is no excuse to be a knob-head in your own country let alone anywhere else. If you have travelled thousands of miles by plane and undergone rigorous security checks and made your way to a foreign country then you have enough sense to respect the Laws of the Land, even if you do not know them.

It's because the crime happened directly behind them

They were later arrested for assaulting a woman, but were released the following day as she refused to press charges,

Erm. how did you both miss the point that these two guys are actually standing at the front door of the premises at which the serious assault had occurred?

I’m a brit, I was once falsely accused of theft. Someone forged my signature. I wasn’t told at first what I was being accused of. It wasn’t till I went down the police station that I was told why I was needing to be detained and questioned. I spent a day in a cell at my local police station, was let out on bail for the night because they couldn’t get any lawyers & had to come back the next day. Again locked up & was finally questioned the next day. On first day I had my finger prints takes, DNA swab taken, picture taken. I was eventually sent home where when I got home my parents said police and been around and searched my room thinking I’d stolen money. I eventually got a no further action letter but I never got an apology as they don’t even if your are falsely accused by a third party. The real culprit was never found & I lost my job because of being falsely accused. I was working in a charity shop doing an apprenticeship training to do cashing up. The area manager told me I was never to work in any shop under his command again. I decided I was never going to even step foot inside any of the stores again & have never given money to said charity again.

@camriley

4 ай бұрын

That is an appalling response from the manager. You were not charged but he decided you were guilty. Very 'charitable' of him.

@LittleBallOfPurr

4 ай бұрын

I think it says a lot about your character that even after what the manager put you through, you didn't choose to name and shame the particular charity, presumably so as to not punish others for the actions of one man. Sorry you went through that, hope you have a great day.

@EmilyCheetham

4 ай бұрын

@@LittleBallOfPurr I don’t name the place because I don’t know who did the crime. although I have suspicions as I know - although not personally- some others who were fired from the shop just days before I was. One being the shop manager who had given me grief earlier that year. I also don’t name because it would be wrong to label a whole charity on the actions of one store. The charity’s punishment is I will never shop or give money to them ever again. Although I’m still very angry with the area manager who when they fired me I asked why and he just said “you know what you did”. Thankfully the company I was doing the apprenticeship through (the shop was a work placement) backed me and kept me on even after the shops area manager asked them to fire me. They knew me well and had for years and I was even dating one of the colleagues at my apprenticeship. So they trusted me thankfully.

There was a incident in the building they were coming out of that’s why they were stopped

in the UK you can be detained up to 48hrs before release, this is to allow the police to do a full investigation. the next step is an arrest once they have evidence against you for said crime. in a case like this one, they are being held until the full description of the suspect/s has been made clear. either through eye witnesses or via CCTV in the area. many homes in the UK have private CCTV and the majority of streets have police CCTV near road junctions. the reason that they are not being allowed to use a toilet is simple. a police officer/s would have to escort that person to the nearest public toilet. this might just be a trick to give the suspect the chance to overpower the officer and run or get rid of drugs in the toilet. the police would not be holding these guys unless it was a serious crime involving violence. if it was a robbery or drugs, the police would have done a "stop and search".

They were at the scene of the crime, would you want the police letting a possible suspect go by just taking his word?

The female officer did say at the beginning there was "a serious assault", plus they were told that one of these guys fits the description. That means the other could be an accomplice or a witness (something they were also told).

English common law was adopted in your country after 1776, that is why we are so close.

When the officers I.D. themselves as P.C. Hawkins and Jones, the P.C. stands for police officer.

@andybaker2456

4 ай бұрын

Police Constable. If it stood for Police Officer, it would be P.O.!

@140cabins

4 ай бұрын

@@andybaker2456 And that would make them a Post Office.

I don't think the police have just stopped these guys in the street... I presumed that they were vacating the building where the alleged assault had taken place 😘🇬🇧

Stop. The police can detain you for up to 24 hrs. They were gathering information so that they can then explain more and if arrested, what you’ve been arrested for. If you’re told not to go to the toilet, understand that they may require bodily fluids to determine if the individual has been the assailant. American police do have a bad reputation in Europe, whilst you can have a chat with a British Bobby, ask questions and get advice. Mind you, we too have some bad apples in the police forces around the UK.

These two (his poor friend!) were ultimately detained for 24 hours for obstruction in carrying out police work. The American posting this thought it was a thumbs-up for him and 'freedom', whereas reactions have shown that he was simply being an arsehole. I don't think the voice-over (excised in another video) was necessary; enough was shown to describe the situation. Robert, uk.

UK police do not need a reason to stop anyone whether on foot or in a vehicle. They can take your camera or dashcam for evidence without your permission too. The UK laws are very different to the USA.

I can tell how bad the American police must be by the fact Lindsey seems so hostile to the situation. In Britain 99% of the police are great and the only people who are anti police are criminals. Maybe watch some more footage with police…

If a police officer tells you to stay where you are in the UK you shush, stay and hold it. You're not a toddler you can go to the toilet later. All police officers have been very calm and polite. He's having a tantrum and wasting their time whilst they could be doing their job.

I always act as though I am an ambassdor of my country when I travel to another country and I respect the people their customs and laws, He is a guest of that country and should remember that. that guy was being really rude, kudos to the cops for being calm and trying to explain what was happening.

You also need to look at the language used detained in the US means a lot different than here in the UK, detained in the US means arrested here it means lawfully prevented from going about your day then if they want to arrest you they will then state your being arrested for. Also they aren’t both KC they are PC which stands for Police Constable. The Bobbie is a term that is a term of endearment for our coppers, Rozzers, etc Less flattering is 🐖 or the filth and whole host of nasty slurs.

@thomasmumw8435

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, 🤣 and you can normally tell what a person's relationship with the police is by which name they address them!! 😉

@geoffpoole483

4 ай бұрын

Detain and arrest have the same meanings in the US and the UK.

You can be detained before formally arrested for a crime. The sergeant clearly knows more about the context. The Police Constables will have simply been placed on “guard duty” at the scene without needing to know more. Preserving the scene, which includes witnesses, etc is standard protocol.

This is thoroughly cringeworthy and right up there with 'the UK violates my 2nd Amendment rights as they won't let me bring my gun on vacation'

@DarkStorm2711

4 ай бұрын

We don't have guns in the UK... Respect our laws... if you don't like it then simply just don't come to the UK Simples... You do not need a gun here.... You will find the same laws apply to the rest of Europe x

@clementsphil

4 ай бұрын

@@DarkStorm2711 Which is exactly what I said?

police literally told him the bathroom is the crime scene no that bathroom isn't a bathroom anymore edit: and i can tell you haven't being paying attention there was an assault the bathroom was a crime scene the 2 initial police officers clearly got fed up and started saying the bare minimum

It's a situation where something has happened and the police are trying to work out what has happened, they don't want people to leave in case they are involved in whatever the incident is, it's a point where you are not arrested but they don't want you to leave, if there is an incident where you are not involved the police will actively encourage you to leave the scene here.

@I_Never_Read_Comment_Replies

4 ай бұрын

Irrelevant. If you aren't under arrest then you are free to leave. FACT. It is illegal to physically detain someone for the pupose of "investigation" unless they are being charged. I understand the officers involved in this incident were forced to apologise to the American lad for their behaviour, which is good.

@RushfanUK

4 ай бұрын

@@I_Never_Read_Comment_Replies watch some tv when police handcuff people to search them or detain them for a search or investigation, they are not arrested then, posting FACT means nothing nugget.

@Gambit771

4 ай бұрын

​@@I_Never_Read_Comment_RepliesI wish I had never read your comment. You can't just leave a crime scene.

@susansmiles2242

4 ай бұрын

@@Gambit771 this guy is obviously an American “so he knows” 😂😂😂

those two are sat drinking. where a crime was commited. the guy walking by wasnt there hes just passing by

The police are allowed to detain somebody without arresting them under something called 'Stop and search' which ordinarily requires reasonable suspicion (basically the same as probable cause) that somebody has committed a crime or is in possession of something illegal. Otherwise, the police can use 'stop and account' where they can stop somebody and ask them what they are doing and who they are, but they don't legally have to answer questions and are *not* being detained and are free to go.

Culturally Brits are cooperative with the Police who are conducting an investigation. Given that an assault took place in the toilet and one of them fits the description it is appropriate to detain both men, because they are both together and may have relevant information for the investigation.

The crime in question has occurred in the building where the Americans are. They were not being detained, they were asked to remain while the investigation was ongoing. On arrest or actual detention their rights would have been read to them in a manner similar to that in the US.

Not both Casey’s. They said PC Hawkins and PC Jones. Police Constable

Hi Steve, judging by what you said, you seem to think these two guys were just walking past on the pavement. They were sat in front of the premises which is a hotel or guest house, so they were probably staying there, which makes it far more likely they at least knew what had happened.

The context is rarely complete with these type of videos. It starts with the American being detained at the scene of a possible crime, but we don't know what was said or done before that. But that aside, the police can hardly let everyone go at such incidents if they say they are innocent! There would be no point for the police to turn up.

It’s disgusting that all these police personnel are being held up because of him. I think eventually he was arrested but I’m not sure of the charge. Basically he’s a dick!

You didn't need more context but you did need to listen carefully to what the police were saying.

They're at a venue or say block of apartments, a crime has taken place within the premises. The guys are from the premises, hence being detained outside and asking to use the toilet, anybody being detained would only be from the time of the incident. Why would the police stop random passers by??? The police explain at this moment in time, they don't have enough details, so these guys could be an accomplice to the crime. Imagine letting accomplices go purely because holding them for 10 to 20 minutes is an hinderance. In fact, the more he attempts to leave the scene, the higher the suspicion he's arousing of being connected to the crime. They claim they didn't see anything or wasn't privvy to the crime, do any criminals admit guilt when not under arrest? They couldn't use a toilet because they could've tampered with the crime scene.

In the UK police can detain you on suspicion of committing a crime for up to 24 hours whilst they gather evidence and interview witnesses. Arguing with them makes you look even more suspicious

It seems these two men are on the property where an alleged crime has taken place, they are within the boundary of property, they could be accomplices even though they might not match the description of the offender. The request to use bathroom facilities, they could have on their person something which could incriminate them, and be disposed of down the toilet.

Even if only one of them fitted the description, the other one is clearly with them and could be an accomplice. Imagine if they just hear someone at the scene of a crime say I didn't see anything and just let them go 😂

He can't use the bathroom because it's where the crime took place so no one can use it until it's been forensically examined. They won't have been there for an hour

They're trying to leave the scene of a crime. They are not on the street. You can see that they are behind the gate posts of the front garden not on the pavement(sidewalk) and the police women repeatedly point behind him to the premises and say that the crime is alleged to have happened there. They won't be letting that guy use the bathroom to preserve evidence either in the bathroom or to stop him flushing or hiding drugs or a weapon.

This is a video from the 2017 Notting Hill Carnival, uploaded by Rome Thomas. A woman was assaulted. These 2 men were stopped at the scene by police ( in Britain it is illegal to flee the scene of a crime even if you are not involved per se) The two were eventually held for questioning and released 20 hours later with apologies. In the UK you can be held for 24 hrs without charge (up to 36 or 94 hrs for serious crimes and, 14 days under the Terrorism Act.) Info about your rights and the police can be found on GOV.UK.

@paulmilner8452

4 ай бұрын

this guy headbutted a woman and the charges were dropped he did it don't think this fool was innocent