I pay my taxes without complaining about them here in Norway as I know that I will in my older days have to live of it. I have had free education (even supported to study in the US for a Masters degree) and the few times I have had use for a hospital with surgery it was all free as well. I know that if I have big troubles like losing my job or getting some chronic illness which reduces my ability to work, the government will be there to help me with practically free medicine and pay me enough to still have a decent life. As long as I feel I have enough income to make ends meet I am fine with paying taxes knowing all the help it does.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

Pensions are 1/20 of your taxes. You don't need tax to save for a pension. You will also need to spend less to save for pensions in a free market rather than through a monopoly. Thus, your first motivation for being in favor of legalized theft makes no sense whatsoever. There's no such thing as free education. The money that is paid for your public education is four times more than you would have spent in a free market. This is unavoidable because when people who didn't earn the money are allowed to spend it, it will reach 1/4 of the way. Thus, your second motivation for being in favor of legalized theft makes no sense whatsoever. The exact same problem with healthcare. The only sensible explanation you are in favor of legalized theft is because you're indoctrinated by the public school, public TV, and public media. You just don't know any better.

@64jcl

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too , getting old is so much more than just pensions. Most elderly need more health care and possibly even a home for elderly when they are too old to live in their own home. Taxes in Norway covers this as well. Most private schools are way more expensive to run here in Norway compared to public schools. Also public schools does not create the division between income groups and hence more integration between people from different classes. That said Norway has a massive middle class with low income inequality too so very few feel the need for private schools except a few very rich ones or those wanting some specialised education for their kids (usually its religious schools). Also a public school is more likely to be teaching actual science and not made up stuff that is meant to ignore science (hence the few private schools we have are of a religious nature that has problems with science).

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@64jcl "Most private schools are way more expensive to run here in Norway compared to public schools." Probably a lie, but even if it was true: not the least relevant. It is not enough to have private alternatives to get a free market. "Also public schools does not create the division between income groups and hence more integration between people from different classes." Yes, I'm aware of this stupidity. Do you know what's the motivation for this? They believe dwarfs are growing into giants if they are allowed on a basketball team with the big boys. "That said Norway has a massive middle class with low income inequality too so very few feel the need for private schools except a few very rich ones or those wanting some specialised education for their kids" Equality is no reasonable goal by itself. Inequality is a good thing when it reflects effort and accomplishment. You don't like this because you're an indoctrinated moron and have no valid argument to support your ideology. " Also a public school is more likely to be teaching actual science and not made up stuff that is meant to ignore science" I feel like I'm swimming in irony when this comes from an indoctrinated socialist.

@64jcl

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too , you sound like an angry person, so I guess life hasn't been good to you and you need to blame it on socialism? I am just stating that Norway is a good country to live in and its because of the many things that this guy is showing in his videos including high tax, free school, free healthcare and trust in government. You might not agree with the politics but Norway is kind of proof that this formula works. People are generally content and happy here.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@64jcl How can life possibly be good when swarmed by psychopaths in favor of coercion and theft? Assuming one doesn't want to fall to their level.

I have never met anyone here in Norway that enjoy paying their taxes. But we willingly do so, because of the advantages it gives to the society.

I think a little part of it is that we dont pay the taxes as a separate bill, but it's deducted from your payslip every month. In that way we dont "see" that money and dont have a relation too it.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

That's another crazy part about social democrazy. You don't really pay your taxes. The money is seized by the thief before you even saw it. If there's something special about the Nordic model it is how immaturely it treats the citizens.

@jonathanseitz6109

Жыл бұрын

​@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too malding, I see

@minsin21

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too this makes no sence to me, why would i want to calculate my taxes myself, it seems like a massive hassle, and some americans i know pay a accountant to do it, so the expense gets even higher. The same goes for sales tax, its included in all consumer facing prices because you still have to pay it and its considered missleading to have a sticker price without tax included.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@minsin21 You don't need to calculate your taxes while still being treated as a grownup. All you have to do for maturity to apply is to transfer the money. You're not allowed to do that in the children's land of kleptomaniac Norway.

@minsin21

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too ok, i see you have a huge issue with this, i dont, i dont understand you and you probably dont understand me

Having lived in norway for 28 years, i have never heard the phrase ''I pay my taxes with joy'' Taxes to me just happen. So long as i don't have to start paying them manually, it's just another part of life here. No pride, no joy. It's kind of like brushing your teeth. You just do it.

The "with joy" part (med glede) is more of a directly translated turn of phrase. The English equivalent would be something like "I more than happily pay my taxes." It doesn't mean you actually ENJOY paying them, but that you vastly prefer it over the alternative.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

This made no sense whatsoever. The absolutely only alternative is the lack of legalized theft. If you hate the alternative it follows by necessity that you enjoy legalized theft.

@Myrkish

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too No, the alternative of high taxes, in a sane person's mind, would be low taxes. Meaning less welfare and benefits like healthcare, education, etc. I'll admit I wasn't particularly clear about that part, as the point of my comment was the linguistic aspect, not the specific example.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

​@@Myrkish The absolutely only alternative to legalized theft of ANY amount is the lack of legalized theft. Either there is legalized theft or there isn't legalized theft. Very simple logic even a moron should be able to understand.

@Myrkish

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too I'm not really interested in having a random discussion that isn't remotely related to the one I started. I completely understood your point, I was politely telling you that I don't care.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@Myrkish Everyone with a working brain can see Terje is a liar. Not only is it important to understand what is the alternative to legalized theft to fully appreciate the error in Terje's statement, but actually essential.

I don’t know about that. I tried to pay my taxes with joy, but the tax man insisted on cold, hard cash…

I’m a Norwegian and I asked my colleagues during the lunch break “Do you pay your taxes with joy?” And all of them (around 12 people) said “Yes, I do”. Some a little bit reluctant, but I think most people In Norway understand why we pay texes and how it benefits us in our everyday life.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

They are all lying. It is impossible to pay taxes with joy. The kleptocratic Gov't only wants money.

@madsimilius7057

Жыл бұрын

I thought to my self you must be working for a School or some other governmental job, and thought it would be fun to see if i was right, so i searched up your name (not the same as the one she has now) on facebook and the only profile i found with your name on is a person working as a senior counselor at a school, is this you? Almost all teachers are FAR left and super political correct, none of them would even dare to have a different opinion . Teachers in Norway have for as long as can remember complained about not getting paid enough (from the government who pay their salary). I guess they are complaing about their salary because they want to be able to pay more tax? .🤣 The fact is that even if the tax on salarys in Norway is quite low, we are taxed to death in all other ways. Self sustained Norway is supposed to be one of the richest countries in the world with only 5 million people , and still 1 out 12 and soon more have to go to the goverment and begg for money for food. They are robbing the people here just like in the rest of the west, as farmers and companies are being bankruptet.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@madsimilius7057 Not exactly surprising that people living off legalized theft are in favor of legalized theft.

@oh515

Жыл бұрын

@@madsimilius7057 That's your personal view on status and how it works. No system is perfect, but there are systems better than others. The Nordic welfare systems are unique, and the statistics speak for themselves. What system do you think is better and why?

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@oh515 Any system that doesn't rely on legalized theft is better. Because it doesn't rely on legalized theft. Theft is an impossible general standard, thus it follows, we shouldn't include it even as an exception. Not much brain power is needed to understand this. The Nordic model is certainly not unique. Legalized theft is the standard in every society. The psychopaths are in control.

I'm a Norwegian and YES I pay my taxes with joy... I'm paying 38% of taxes and I can even go online and make it more higher or lower, but good thing if I'll be paying an extra taxes I could have it back every April- June and we called it as the "skatttilbake" or the tax return. And that's why I pay my taxes with JOY 😀

@oh515

Жыл бұрын

@@overit.4013 Tror du bør ta deg et kurs i prosentregning. Vi betaler et snitt på rundt 55 prosent i skatter og avgifter i Norge. Nå kan det jo hende du røyker veldig mye eller er ofte ute på byen, og da er det sikkert mulig å komme opp i slike tall, men å påstå at dette gjelder nordmenn generelt er tøv. Normen er faktisk rundt 50 prosent.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@oh515 "Over it" is closer to the truth, but he forgot to name customs. Because you're not allowed to buy foreign products you lose about 20% of your buying power. Including this, the Norwegian regime seizes 3/4 of the citizen's buying power. This is more than communism at its worst. Almost a complete kleptocracy.

@oh515

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too Get away from here. You have no clue. I have never payed the VAT twice 😂

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@oh515 I don't understand incoherent rant. Try something else.

@Elssi

Жыл бұрын

​@@oh515 ka i hælvette e d du gnåle om? generellt sjett så e d inntektsskatt som e relevant å denj ligg i snitt på 22% ska du flætt innj d du betale i moms så kjæm du uansett itj opp på 50%🤦🤦

Like you said, 30% is about the average for both Americans and Norwegians, so that is about equal there. What certainly seems VERY different is how these taxes are spent, and who benefits from them. Two things in particular that makes no sense for me, and really US is the only developed nation that has these things, as far as I now: 1: Not having health care covered! With the insane ammounts of money that flows into the health care and pharmaceutical industry each day is beyond ludicrous. And the fact that regular people will either need to drain their life savings or get into ungodly ammounts of debt, to me, says everything you need to now about how the average american is viewed by your politicians and civic "leaders". 2: For profit prisons! How anyone in their right mind could ever think that this had any place in a civilized soceity is beyond me? The whole punishment vs rehabilitation mentality is certainly something that is different between the US and Norway. But the biggest difference is the insane idea that prisons should somehow be able to make money of their inmates labour, pretty much making it legal slavery! How this affects not just sentencing and arrests, but the whole judicial system of the US, is something it seems most Americans are either unaware of, or dont want to now. Considering there is no other nation that incarcerates such a large % of its population, something is clearly wrong here! So I very much understand why most Americans hate taxes. As even to an outsider, it seems like you get nothing in return. Wich is really sad, as proper use of your taxes could really be the answer to a lot of the problems facing the US. Here is hoping that sometime in the future, some independent or at least outside of the "Uniparty" politician, will try to reform this. You guys deserve much better!

I happily pay my taxes here in Norway. Our taxes are not unreasonable when you look at what our taxes pay for

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

Yes, taxes are unreasonable exactly because of what you're getting back. Many Norwegian economists (including Trygve Hegnar) have shown that you only get ~0.25 krone back in services from every tax krone. This is 1/4 of what you get back in a market under competition. If this isn't bad enough, tax is also unreasonable because theft is an impossible standard - even as an exception. Why do you suffer from such low self-esteem?!

@Goldenhawk583

Жыл бұрын

Our taxes also goes to pay a lot of saleries to people who do nothing useful. A lot of building projects that end up costing 10 times as much and turns out terrible. I dont mind paying for healthcare, schools, roads, social services to elderly and others, as these are all things I will need at some point in my life, but I DO mind paying for politicians hollidays, electricity and rent... Just to name a few different things.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@Goldenhawk583 There's no such thing as PAYING TAX. Paying includes voluntarism which is nothing taxation offers. You're delusional. You don't need taxation to get healthcare+++. In a free market, you get healthcare for 1/4 of the price. A monopoly will always be at least four times more expensive compared to a market under competition.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@votejj Every free market economy. We just don't have one - yet. The USA is not a free market and especially not when it comes to healthcare. Yet it is very easy to find insurance that cuts the cost down to a quarter compares to the part of taxation that goes to healthcare in Norway. To get convinced you might have to actually buy health insurance in the USA because the public numbers are polluted with nonsense like plastic surgery and the like which takes up more than half of the spending. 2/5 goes to insurance because of an insane compensation policy dictated by politicians.

@LinaGenX

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too Hegnar math is BS. If you are an adult, you already went to school, people before you paid for that, now it's time for you to pay for the kids in school. If you are healthy, them you don't get the money back, just as if you paid directly for health insuranse. You seem to live in a dream world where YOU should be entitled to get back the amount you paid in taxes. Yikes. Trygve Hegna believes in trickle down economy like they have in the US, it was implemented by Ronald Regan and is an epic failure that has in 40 years turned the American middle class poor. It has lead to the rich becoming insanely rich, and the poor very poor. Remember when Trump wanted immigrants from Norway instead of what he called shithole countries? Ppl just laughed and said why on earth would a Norwegian move there? No workers rights, no vacation, no healthcare, no free higher education etc etc, and their taxes for most people is not much lower than in Norway

I don't really pay my taxes with joy, but I don't complain about it either. As a single parent I pay around 25%, and it covers so much more than what I have to pay. Health care, schools (including university), social security, paid vacation, paid sick days, welfare in general, roads, child benefits, retirement, affordable childcare (kindergarten), paid parental leave 8-12 months) etc..

In the Usa, your taxes pay for the military. In Norway and other countries, your taxes go to looking after the people.

Love your videos 😊 You need to check out and react to "Harald Eia, This Is Norway"

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

Harald Eia is a confused moron. With no understanding of economy he thought he was entitled to make an educational video about exactly economy. He made so many embarrassing errors a decent human being wouldn't dare to show his face in public. For instance, he actually believes legalized theft is justified by people, in general, being rich. You can't get much more morally corrupt than that. The consequence of his reasoning is that he must be in favor of tyrannic regimes like China.

"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society" 😊

@alexanderg8466

Жыл бұрын

or a resentful society

It seems to me that A LOT of US taxes goes to either all the military branches, or to development of stuff that goes to those branches (I've heard about billion-dollar military contracts that basically led to... nothing...). A large amount of those taxes could be used to make healthcare more available...

No, most Norwegians do not "enjoy" taxes, but we love the system, considering what we get in return, and therefore we don't mind paying it. Huge difference. And there's also a differences in what taxes we're talking about. For example, VAT ("moms" or "mva" in Norwegian) on food was reduced a few years back. There was a lot of debating about this beforehand, and there was a public demand to reduce it, so no - high VAT is NOT popular. For income tax, Norwegians pay 27% nominal tax. Employers are required by law to take the income tax from our wages, and that is usually around 34-36%. It's higher than the nominal tax, mainly because it's supposed to cover no tax reduction on vacation pay ("feriepenger"), and half tax on wages in December, both of which you have to pay full tax when the full calendar year is considered as a whole, during tax returns ("selvangivelsen"). It varies what percentage people ends up at, because wealth tax ("formueskatt") may be added, also "toppskatt" (top tax) if you have a high wage, or if you have debts there are some reductions ("fradrag"). And several other factors. Btw, love your videos, but it's disgusting you don't have the decency to link the videos you're reacting to. All other reaction channels I watch do this, but NOT you. You're earning money on others' contents without giving them proper credit, and should be ashamed of yourself!

Nice work on your videos, bud! Greetings from the westcoast of Norge :)

Also fun note. We pay half tax for the money we earn in November... because we need more money in december because of christmas.. and holidays are expensive

No one "pays taxes with joy", but we all understand why taxes are needed and that if we do pay too much we get it back at some point between May and August each year.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

No, only people with extremely low self-esteem "understand" we need legalized theft.

@WhackyRavenLand

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too you sound like an american. Guess it's why you sound so salty because americans these days are the laughing stock of the world. Us scandinavians are frequently ranked amongst the happiest people in the world.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@WhackyRavenLand Only stupid people are happy.

@WhackyRavenLand

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too aww, look who's jealous.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@WhackyRavenLand But of course, if it would be possible to be happy and intelligent I would want it.

In most European countries, as in 🇨🇦🇳🇿🇦🇺 also, most taxes are to pay for social infrastructure, such as healthcare, retirement/disability pensions; unemployment, parental leave, carers' allowances, child allowance, etc; for state education, and so on, and are collected directly from one's salary by one's employer. In most cases, they are designed so that those on higher incomes pay proportionally more, and the lowest paid are taxed very little. Defence, etc is 2.00 percent of tax revenue or less, as opposed to 8.00 in the US. Finally, how tax works, how it is assessed, and what it's spent on are all subjects at school, in about Year 7 or 8 (aged 11 or 12), and repeated during one's final year at high school.

I'm also Norwegian. I don't necessarily pay my taxes with joy as I've spent of my life being in good health, and I never chose to go into higher education. I'm happy that my tax payments gives other people opportunities they might not have had other places. Knowing that my taxes are going towards something good makes me feel good, but it's still a bit bittersweet.

@overit.4013

Жыл бұрын

Har du sett tilstanden til eldre og sykehusene ? GÅr til noe godt ? Før i tiden ja.. Men nå betaler vi 70 % i skatter og avgifter her til lands. Prøv du å bli selvstendig næringsdrivende her til lands uten hjelp fra slekt.. Av min lønnslipp på 32000 i måneden for over 100% jobb så sitter jeg igjen med 21000. Jeg kan gledelig betale for min egen helse om det blir nødvendig. Og Hjelpe de jeg kan når det trengs uten innblanding fra staten.

@martinh7204

Жыл бұрын

@@overit.4013 sitter igjen med 2/3 av lønnings-slippen min selv. Vil si at mye av skatten går til noe godt, men mye av det går også til tull. Det skal jeg faktisk ikke nekte på.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@martinh7204 More than 3/4 of the taxes go to nonsense. This is what you get by necessity when you allow people who didn't earn the money to spend it.

@Goldenhawk583

Жыл бұрын

@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too So, the tax concept is not the problem.. the problem is that we dont demand to know where it goes, and have a direct say in that.. I would suggest that politicians should never be able to get rich from being a politician, and that they must be held responsible for how our money is spent.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

Жыл бұрын

@@Goldenhawk583 Yes, the concept is indeed the problem. You will always lose 3/4 of the money when you put them through a system of people who didn't earn them.

PS: Your taxes for the state are spent on city maintenance of suburbs. Suburbs are down 1100 USD per acre in income per year versus property taxes, compared to the cost of infrastructure for suburbs. See /watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI

5:00, funny you would mention different states and taxes. Some parts of northern norway offer tax-reductions and other economic benefits like a 5:15 reduction on your student loans. To go and live in the less populated regions of Norway, like the northern most parts of Norway

Whenever I visit family in the USA (Spokane Wa.) we often talk about this topic... Stay safe...

In my city Porsgrunn a lot of things with roads and environment have been payend with road gates.... someting called Bypakka(city package) is responisble. Good for those who don't drive a car.

As a chronical ill person I can get my treatments and medication for free. However that only include medication that are importen to save my life. I must pay for all other kind of medication.

You got a nice haircut! In Norway the Government pay our haircuts. No no no!!! Joking ;-)

I was born in '67, my early drop-out from school taught me that you still have to pay a third to a fourth of your income in taxes. Loads of years later, I'm now on a disability pension that I never envisioned to be in my future! I'm not well off, but the system I scoffed at in my younger days has never betrayed it's promises! So I can afford to still live in the same place 10-12 years later! Of course, it could have to do with me telling my neighbor (now deceased, sadly) that if the owners ever raised the rent, I'd be off... By now they might just have accepted that if I move out, they'll have to pay a small fortune to bring the apartment up to modern standards instead of the half-way dump they rented to me almost 15 years ago... Or they just love the regular rent paid instead of having most of the other apartments empty for years on end... 😁

I’m Norwegian. The state is an extension of the folk’s power, thus it supplies the demand to benefit the whole population. That is why most native Norwegians are happy to pay taxes.

"I don't know if Norwegians know how good they have it". Yes, we do know. And we like to compare ourselves with the US. That's why we pay our taxes with joy. We see how other countries do it. And we see the consequences. Norway is not unique when it comes to taxes. Most countries in Europe, and most developed countries in the world, have the same system. We see that our tax money is used to give back to us.

It is a great system, but nothing is perfect. However, it does work,despite hiccups and slow paperwork sometimes. I worked full time since i was 16 and started paying taxes. 15 years later i got 2 very serious injuries, developed PTSD and i've been unable to work for the last 8 years. I get around 14-15,000 kr every 2 weeks to live off, which isn't much but enough to get by while i follow my treatments and programs, and hopefully someday get well enough to work again. I never thought i'd need it, but i was glad to pay taxes, knowing the safetynet would be there just in case. Now i'm on the other end, and im just grateful. Without it, i really would be destitute and homeless, and the thought of it just brings back memories of a trip to america where i got absolute moral shock from seeing what must have been a tent-city of hundreds of homeless people.

@OriginalPuro

Жыл бұрын

" I get around 14-15,000 kr every 2 weeks to live off, which isn't much but enough to get by" Det er 28-30 000 i måneden, hvordan er det "ikke nok til å få hjulet til å gå rundt"?! Hvordan?

@sulliken77

Жыл бұрын

Det er jo helt ellevillt. Jeg får ca 12K i AAP i mnd. Men så jobber jeg 40% i tillegg og det er jo det som berger meg. Jeg får vel totalt ca 22-24 i mnd. Min samboer er kun på AAP og får ca det samme. hus, gjeld 2 barn og bil.. Det går såvidt.

@zarahandrahilde9554

Жыл бұрын

@@OriginalPuro Jeg sa da aldri at det "ikke er nok til å få hjulet til å gå rundt" :D Det er nok, og jeg klager ikke. Jeg har nok til å bo og klare meg fint, men det er absolutt ikke noe å hige etter. Jeg gleder meg til å bli frisk nok til å tjene slik at jeg isteden kan bo slik jeg vil, holde på hobbyer og ikke bekymre meg for større uforutsette kostnader. Velferd er bra nok, men fulle lønninger er bedre selvfølgelig.

@zarahandrahilde9554

Жыл бұрын

​@@sulliken77 vet ikke om dere mener det er for mye eller for lite, jeg har ikke akkurat sammenlignet eller skrytt av å være på stønad før :P Men det blir regnet ut fra tidligere grunnlønn, så det vil være forskjellig. Jeg hadde relativt høy lønn for alder og utdanning, fordi risikoen for skade var stor - og det gikk som det gikk :P

One note, americans DO get most of their healthcare paid by taxes. Health-insurance companies don't want to have customers before 18 and after retirement, which is basically when over half the healthcare expenses are. So MOST healthcare costs ARE paid by taxes (a tiny percentage I might add), you just then pay the profit tax to the insurance companies in working age. Where the insurance company representative can deny you treatments your doctor thinks you should have (which is to perform medicine without a medical license, which is technically, illegal).

In Norway, you get back on average 84% of what you pay in taxes and duties - in the US only 19%. The main rule for income tax is 22% - the same as for private companies. $50,000 gives 25.3% tax - $100,000 gives 33.3% tax - but there is also a pension right in the tax. You get a pension when you reach the age of 62-67 from the State and even if you have never worked - you get about $1,700 per month. The goal is that everyone who works should receive 66% of the salary they had when they worked with an upper limit of about $7,500 per months

Many say that we pay our taxes with joy exactly because we realize how privileged we are, but I feel the more accurate term is that we pay our taxes without regrets, lol. Either way, we know we get a lot out of benefits out of it, not just universal public services, but also a society with less crimes and worries overall.

@zarahandrahilde9554

Жыл бұрын

How much it actually benefits society is a thing i think we feel, and mercifully can't imagine. Especially crime and worries overall as you say - I had little education but a a high salary because of risk in my job. Unfortunately i ended up as injured with chronic pains and PTSD after a decade, but the safetynet caught me. It always felt good to pay taxes because i knew it would catch others, and i might need it to catch me one day which unfortunally happened. If it wasnt there, i would be homeless and have no choice but illegal income at least in the short term back then.

in norway, once a year(usually around april) u will know how much taxes u paid for the previous year and if u paid to much, you will get those money back, so many norwegians acually pay a little extra taxes coz we know that we will get the money we paid to much back in around april. I was surprised that he didn't mention that in the video. so i wonder, is it like that in usa as well???

@leif-kareeikeland5209

Жыл бұрын

Du får også etter i tilegg til det du har betalt formu.

@leif-kareeikeland5209

Жыл бұрын

Renter skal være ikke etter .

Compared to the United States of America, I find myself wondering if there are a couple of factors involved that makes it difficult to scale the Norwegian economy up to the size of the US population, or if the Norwegian oil fund is a better starting point when the size of the Norwegian population is easier to manage. I don't know. I am not an economist. My personal situation is that 50% of my salary is paid to my employer by the social security system of Norway, based on my previous years of salary and tax levels. That makes me happy, since my job efficiency is calculated to be 50% of someone in my age group (and also possibly job type, IT worker).

I hate paying taxes. I don’t like giving the government part of my paycheck.

Switzerland, based on canton 10-20% tax, very strong military, nuclear bunker for 110% of population (10% reserved for imigrants), top tier healthcare system, highest purchasing power from all countries in the world, top location in middle of europe, safest european country in terms of crime, neutrality = useful in wars, my dream country :D you can make one video with switzerland

@ahkkariq7406

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Switzerland has a system of referendums where the people have a say in matters that have major consequences for their lives. In Norway, we have to live with the politicians who lied their way to power, and cannot change anything until four years have passed. In the last year before the election, the politicians start spending money on the most precarious things, so people will vote for them again. And most people swallow the bait every time. Twice we have had referendums where the people said they did not want to join the EU, the politicians didn't give a damn and tricked us in through the back way. We cannot even ask for new elections. Norwegians are fools who don't understand that power corrupts, and when the same people are allowed to stay in some form of power through decades, they get corrupted.

@humpcs

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@@ahkkariq7406 so you say that Norway doesn't have ideal system?

@ahkkariq7406

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@@humpcs No, we don't. Our system might be better than the system in many other countries, but unfortunately - When the state becomes a kind of father or mother to the people, then people become dull. They forget that you cannot trust the system, and you therefore become very vulnerable when you get corrupt leaders.

Do I enjoy paying taxes? No. I would love for all of my earnings to be mine alone. But, cause there is a hugh but; I do it, cause it can come back to help me later in life. My experience is that people complain about it, but do it cause we all know why we do it. So I would not say I do it with joy, but its a bittersweet kind of thing.

Enjoying is a strong word for it. Most people do not mind but i do not know of anyone that enjoys it.

@peterc.1618

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Yeah, no-one says, "I can't wait for the end of the tax year so that I can pay my taxes!"

in norway you get returns from taxes in June or July I think and in December you only pay 50% of what you normally pay the taxes cause of christmas

@alexanderg8466

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Makes no sense the return part

@TrymYoutubeMainChannel

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@@alexanderg8466 it's basically works as extra money in june / July the return on taxes depending on how much you paid the last year

@alexanderg8466

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@@TrymKZreadMainChannel Yeah It is a hell place. Lack of liberty I guess

This is a case of direct translation, rather then the equivalent phrasing. It would be more akin to "We pay our taxes gladly." Saying we pay it with joy makes it sound like it's a popular pastime, like going to the cinema.

Taxes also goes to infrastructure, to pay mother's when they give birth to be home with the baby up til 1 year. Also fathers can get free from work for some months to be with the baby and get salery. Taxes go to so much more

Sooo... When are you coming to visit us? :) I can start you off in Oslo, and send you off to further exploring wherever :)

There is a famous quote (attributed to Oliver Wendell Holmes): I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization!

I certainly do not enjoy paying taxes, especially with my low income due to chronic illness, it's a very bitter feeling watching a third of my income never making it to my bank account. However, I've been in so many accidents and broken so many bones that i'd never been able to pay for it by myself. Bitter, but worth it

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

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In a society based on honesty where there's no legalized theft, you would be much better off. First of all, because insurance companies are highly incentivized to find you a job you can do better than anyone else. Secondly, when you are using your income it will reach much longer because there is a working market and competition for all goods and services. Not like today where half of the services are either served by monopolies or blocked out by protectionism.

@kronop8884

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@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too You do realize that Norway is a free market economy, right? Also in this case taxes that helps pay for unemployment, healthcare etc is the equivalent to an insurance policy only the government is a non profit insurance company.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

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@@kronop8884 No, it isn't. More than 3/4 of all goods and services are monopolies. Protectionism keeps out goods and seizes 1/5 of people's buying power. Gov't is enforcing a standard that makes goods and services more expensive. You're in screaming need of learning what a free market economy is.

@Gazer75

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@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too Please provide a list or examples of all those monopolies. I can't think of much monopoly in Norway tbh. Anyone can start a business and sell their services and goods.

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

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@@Gazer75 Challenge accepted. ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING is a monopoly in Norway. You can't start any kind of business without complying with the rules made by the bandits in central power. If you're a carpenter there are strict rules on how to build. If you're a doctor there are strict rules about education. Even selling hotdogs on the street comes with insane limitations. Norway suffers from everything bad when there's no free market.

The main reason the US don't like paying taxes is because it up so much time and energy to calculate said taxes. It takes about a week to go through the paperwork. In Norway, you can do it in 15 minutes.

Also the reason we provide healthcare and education so freely is because with around 3-4% unemployment that's the only way to get skilled healthy workers fast enough. We already have to important tens of thousands of skilled workers even with this free education, because we literally don't have enough people go into every high-education profession.

Not paying your taxes is just seen as weird, in Norway. Just weird. I don't enjoy paying my taxes, but I enjoy knowing what positive comes out of it for anyone and everyone in Norway.

@MissCaraMint

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Yes exactly. It’s different if you have frikort of course, but besides that I would be super weirded out by someone who basically is refusing to contribute to society.

@Tyler Walker, you should react to how easy it´s for norwegians (or swedes) to submit their tax reports and compare that to how it´s done in the U.S. Couldn´t find any video for Norway, maybe a norwegian viewer can give you a link.

@pellekanin80

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And for danes aswell, but we pay + - 40%

@peterc.1618

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@@pellekanin80 Something like 33.5% here in the UK (income tax and national insurance) but it's hard to say exactly since we keep changing government every few weeks at the moment. The first £12,570 of our income is tax-free.

To add some information. The way that the Norwegian state get income tax from the normal employed person with a normal income stream, is that it gets automatically drawn before payout. Even our annual declaration of income, fortune and taxes is automated. So we have less of a hands on and a more indirect knowledge of our taxes. I bet that if you were to change this to a more manual approach where you had to pay a monthly or yearly tax invoice, it would be more backlash.

@oh515

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The taxes stay in your paycheck, and the VAT remains in the receipt.

@ahkkariq7406

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@@oh515 Lots of people don't understand how to read their paycheck.

@oh515

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@@ahkkariq7406 I know, but the taxes are pretty clear.

@ahkkariq7406

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@@oh515 If you don't understand how to read your paycheck you certainly wont understand complicated matters like corruption of people in power.

@oh515

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@@ahkkariq7406 Maybe you should take it up with your employer. I have no problem understanding the ones I get. It's a right you have by the law to get a transparent pay bill.

My friend says that one of his favorite things to do is calculating and filing his taxes As a norwegian myself i think that is a little extreme but to eatch their own haha

@peterc.1618

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I just got a letter from HMRC (His Majesty's Revenue and Customs) telling me I'd overpaid by £11 and a cheque would be sent to me. That will pay for 29 kWh of electricity!

Maybe you should react to why the Nordic countries (and many other countries) like it!

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

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Because they are insane? Because they don't know any better? Because they are indoctrinated by State Owned TV, State Owned media? Because they completely lack self-esteem and believe they are all underclass?

We do pay for militery too, and US is asked to help all over the world, but we do try to make a good sosiety.

Tyler what have America accomplished in the last 70 years that its citizens have directly benefitted from or what have you directly benefitted from in your lifetime?

Have a nice day

Its more or less whole of Scandinavia and most of Europe that have similar tax systems and benefits. So actually more people than whole of US.

So many vids on Norway. Do I sense a future immigrant to my country? 😁👍🥳🇳🇴

@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

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Not likely. Views from high-cost countries are good for channel owners.

@kimandreasheroy

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@@KZread_Stole_My_Handle_Too Nooooo!!! Please join us, we have cookies 😁

11:42 Military spendings... US of A ... world police

I bump up my taxpayment early every year and then go low in the end of the year. This way I feel like I’m ahead and “IRS” here in Norway comes to me in April and just want confirmation that THEY counted correctly and maybe I get $1k in return. It’s a joy to pay taxes

Yes as American we never see where our taxes go we know we expecally in California have high outstanding taxes but where is it we still have issues Norway has a system that they actually get them

oh, that's a big exaggeration. It is however a great concept that the taxes goes to stuff everyone will eventually need and want, like school commissions (although lodging and materials will still strip you of funds), surgery (and other medical stuff. except dental and retirement homes for some reason), fire station coverage, roads (although that's a huge topic of anger and misery here), research on various topics and so on. Thing is that some clever politicians have for decades tried finding funds to do their own little project, and instead of creating more funds somewhere like creating value they have cut into funding for those things. Everytime they do that stuff functions just a little bit less ideal. It has a lot of problems due to people being people around power, the benefits however far outweighs the bad.

We can see our taxes comes back to us citizens.Thats huge.We don't need health insurance.If and when you need care,its free(tax)roads and other infrastructure,we have 5 week paid holiday every year +21days sickdays you dont need a doctor to subscribe a docnote for work.

in norway Healthcare / Health insurence is in the taxes or whatever I guess

Last week the state just spent 250 000 000 USD of my money to buy a 90% share of a managed and wild forest estate, privately owned until now.. some people are upset about that purchase, probably mostly because of the price tag, and that it went to a private operation, than at the actual purchase and involvement of collective ownership.. That's how we have been making sure foreign corporations and interests don't own our natural resources , such as our waterfalls and.. oil. We don't mind taxes, because we see results and we aren't presented with bills that involve hidden charges, like US price tags, or bribery, which is probably what we actually think tips are. Money isn't our power trip system, or a ticket to survival - it's probably something we consider to be a measure of trust - which is actually the reason it's called a fiduciary system. (Fidus is Latin for trust 😉) Trust is what runs capitalism, if you actually think about it..

all countries should pay something guarantee housing , cars or better yet public transport

Norwegian taxes Yes, we pay our taxes with joy. I pay around 35-36% of my income. Do we have a phrase we pay our taxes with joy, I don’t think so, I haven’t heard that at least. But yes, we DO pay our taxes with joy. Why? We get good social security, universal healthcare, free education, paid maternity/paternity leave up to a year, paid sick leave up to ONE WHOLE YEAR, if you really are sick. Most of us never needs this welfare system, but just knowing that we have it, and will not end up being homeless, because we get sick or loose our job. A lot of people lost their jobs during pandemic, but they got paid, a lower percentage from the government. We pay whatever my paygrade demands, the lower the wage, the lower percentage tax. Everything goes into one big bag, that is shared among ALL Norwegians (both citizens or residents). It’s a good thing for especially people who can’t work due to a disability. We get our percentage from the tax departments, but a lot of us asks to cut extra tax, either as increased percentage, or a specific amount. We are only entitled to pay what tax department demands, so this extra tax we get back in tax return, the following year. Some of us like to use this option, so they save this money. Usually we get paid back in June, so people do this for extra vacation money. Yes, we love to brag about our system, welfare and social security. We brag about what our sportsmen/women achieve in winter Olympics.

count healthcare etc premiums as tax and redo calculate how much you pay

The US political forces to lower *corporate* taxes use the trick of creating a system where instead of paying one big tax you pay as many taxes plural as possible so it feels like "yet another tax". This makes the general population feel positively towards tax cut bills in congress. Which lets the congress people lower *corporate* taxes and Americans feeling *positive* towards it cause they have been conditioned to be positive towards tax cuts in general. In Norway it's far less so. On the flipside there are people who want to spend tax money from the average joe, usually towards things positive for the business in the state the senators favoring the spending bills live, so that they can say to their constituents "I gave our state this" and get reelected. Even if spending for that particular state getting this and that industry isn't the best move for the nation overall.

The milliary buisness model is to make more enemies, so you need to spend money on the military. Then they make more enemies and then you need to spend even more to feel safe.

So Walker, when are you moving to Norway :D

Taxes on ordinary people in the US may be a tad lower than in e.g. Norway, but 'Muricans have to pay for health care and education separately, and the health insurance seems to be unreliable as well - you never know what tricks the insurance company has up it's sleeves to deny coverage outright. No one is actually outright HAPPY when paying taxes, but seeing and knowing what they get in return makes all the difference for the Nordic nations. Young people know that they are unlikely to need health much health care, but do not resent their taxes being used to care for their parents and grandparents. They know, in turn, that when they get older, their own children will be paying the taxes needed. Win-win throughout.

Even with the flaws of the system in the US you still get from federal taxes: -Highways, general spending for motorists. -Housing assistance. -Defense (the reasonable parts), diplomacy, foreign policy etc. -Conservation, national parks, general environmentalism, food and safety regulation. -Education. And so on. State and local taxes have some spending too. Even though some countries may be better your 6 year old isn't working in a British 1850 coal mine. So even with the flaws in the US system where priorities and values could be different, it isn't like all taxes are spent only on the bad examples. Most are spend on the good examples while the bad ones live on the edge cases.

Wait, you actually have to go online and literally PAY your taxes in America? I never think about my taxes, it's a number on my payslip and that's about it. The only other time I have to think about it is if for some reason my taxes should have been higher than they automatically deducted from my paycheck, then I'll get an invoice I have to pay. Some times it's the other way round though, and I might get money back one year.

I don't get privatised health care... like you don't have privatised fire services as cities would just burn down, you don't have privatised police as then crime would rage e everywhere, some things should be the responsibility of the state to provide good and equal access to for all that includes health care

You pay for the HUGE waste of $ that is your defence budget

So about 40% of Norways income comes from our personal paycheck taxes. The rest comes from fees,VAT and companys taxes. Top 3 expense items for Norway is: 40% goes to Social Security 17% goes to Health 13% goes to Edication. Only 3 or 4% goes to defense/army

@Goldenhawk583

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You made that sound very good, but remember that a LOT of people are working in these sectors, and their pay is deducted from our taxes as well... As an example,, a person working at NAV, has about 40 000,- per month before tax, that is 28 000 after tax. Social help : Singles: 6650 kroner (6550 kr) Couples: 11 150 kroner (10950 kr) In a room mate situation: 5600 kroner (5450 kr) children 0-5 år: 3250 kroner (3200 kr) This is supposed to cover rent, electricity, food, and everything else, meaning that most have to apply for additional support. NAV has its ideas, but reality is very different from NAVs ideas for most people. So, for every person working there, 2 couples and 1 single could have had help. And yes, some people HAVE to work there ( duh), but they have too many by far, compared to what they do.. their work ethics often such, and they leave most in despair.. not helped. For " help" to work as help.. the person you are "helping" has to feel helped. For anyone depending on NAV ( there are some good ones in there, I am being general), life is harsh as f.. you feel like a criminal, a drug addict a bum.. even if you never were either of those.. you are turned into a beggar if you like it or not, and you have to show papers, in triplicates, exposing your every action, with no way out.

@oh515

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Forty percent of our income? It's far from average to pay 40 percent taxes.

@kronop8884

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@@oh515 40% of the government tax income is not the same as 40% tax on your income.

@oh515

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@@kronop8884 I did read that wrong 😂

@anja1800

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No 40% of Norways income, comes from our personal taxes. Not that we pay 40% taxes out of our paycheck. At least not most of us.

You've reviewed one of her videos before, but if you're interested in Norwegian average wages and cost of living in Norway, this video covers that nicely. kzread.info/dash/bejne/en-stc6LYcnfoKQ.html

Are taxes in Norway really that high. If in the US you summarize the taxes, insurances, cost of education and all that and other things you pay for that we do not, how much is left for you to spend on other things, compared to us here in Norway.

I'm not enjoying paying over half my income in taxes at all. What they don't take from our paychecks they take from us via product taxes. I'd probably vote for *almost* anyone who'd try to reduce our taxes.

Well it depends on what you gets out of your taxes You get free health care In other words if you get sick you go to the hospital For Free school/education You get payed maternity leave Up to 80% and for a full year Cheap daycare for your kids If you're poor You can get free ore cheap assistance with lawyers in most Cort cases A safety net if you get sick or unemployed One can go on All the shit you must pay for out-of pocket we get from our taxes You'll also get a pension when you're tired of working You can stop working at 62 with around 70% pension and 100% from 67 if you're an ordinary person Just saying 🇧🇻

Scandinavian history is one of the main reasons on how we got here. Scandinavian countries haven't for centuries seen civil war or any violent revolution while both kings and governments have given away much of their power and given it to the people. So the trust for the government is much higher her compared to many other countries, because civil wars and revolutions usually makes part of the society hold a grudge against other parts of society. While we have since the black death killed a huge part of the population understood that we need to help each other. So the fundamentals mentality of taxes is completely different compared to the US.

@kronop8884

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Sweden released Norway peacefully just 117 years ago, Finland endured a bloody civil war in the aftermath of WWI and the Russian revolution, besides it is 157 years since the US civil war ended, also a long time ago.

So much of American's taxes goes towards military. Just to put it into perspective, the US spends more than the next 20 countries on military spending combined! New military resources and gear, and what happens to the old stuff? It's given to the bloody police, some even driving around in tanks. It's seriously messed up.

I think 37% is way to much on inkome tax's in Norway.

no tips since everybody can survive

In Norway, if you don't have money to pay for food, you go to your local governments office and declare a state of emergency and you will get money for food, within the end of the next day. When you declare a state of emergency, you give the government insight into your banking history, but if you're truly in need, that is not a problem for you. When Norwegians complain about poverty, it's about humiliation, not need. That's worth paying for. Nobody wants to be humiliated and if you're declaring a state of emergency month after month, chances are you have a mental health issue and it's cheaper for us to get you well than to pay for your constant emergencies or perhaps even crimes. We save money by making it expensive for us when you fail, because this way, we incentivize ourselves to help you succeed and your success is more lucrative for us than my failure. This is the essence of the Norwegian ideal of «Do your duty and claim your rights». It's the same with somatic health care; a disease caught early, is less expensive to treat. Whether my cancer costs ten thousand or ten million, someone ends up paying and it's not public or private, but Norway. A total reduction in cost is good for the totality of the people. Americans say it's socialism; we say dollar saved is dollar earned. Unepmplyment is 26 weeks in America and 104 in Norway. This is very important to understand, because this is why Donald Trump was able to brag about falling unemployment rates at the end of his presidency. He would call it "new jobs", but he's referring to the fall in unemployment, which simply means a reduced number of people who are receiving unemployment benefits. This is why you need an educated electorate. It's not the same. By keeping the SARS-CoV-2 secret, he probably killed 500,000 Americans and many of those were truck drivers, driving inflation even more than his extreme spending. If you cause a million to lose their jobs and fifty thousand to get a job, are you then a saviour? Most Norwegians would say no.

Think the guy is a comedian making funny vids about norway!

Robbery edit Sanhedrin 57a:17 Translation: With regard to robbery, the term permitted is relevant, as it is permitted for a Jew to rob a gentile. Sanhedrin 57a:22 Translation: It is necessary only to teach the halakha of one who withholds the wages of a hired laborer; for a gentile to do so to another gentile and for a gentile to do so to a Jew is prohibited, but for a Jew to do so to a gentile is permitted.

Stop. Wait. You actually have to pay yourself? Here it get deducted directly from each pay check, so we don't have to think about paying the tax. And in the spring time we get the tax returns, that states if you paid to much or to little the year before. Most of us get som money back. For me, typically 5-10K NOK. That's approx 500-1000 USD. Anyway. Yes, us Norwegians, well the nosty of us, anyway are fully aware that we won the big lottery by beeing born, raised and living here. and it's funny because it's true.. Just look at the comments.

We know... BR🇧🇻

Check out Bernie Sanders Norway

We enjoy taxes? Well that's a stretch! I don't mind paying SOME taxes, but the system we have now is totally fucked. It's way too much.

Im a foreigner but what do u feel when you pay about 40 percent of your income to sttae for not the best services in the world? Im by the way a buss driver. I saw what you pay is us this ridiculous man 10 ans 12 as max to 37. In Norway some people i know pay 55 percent and the are employees. I hope its clear. Those who saying opposite are living luxury and is very ok for them to pay 44, 50 and more taxe.

ye nah not really. Paying money sux, but.. we all understand what they go for and how shit things can get without that system. We have seen the world.. So its more like "nah, i dont like it, BUT i like it considering the alternatives" edit: 9:20 oh snap .. i do this all the time. This is the janteloven-effect i guess. I never brag about me .. but im really proud of "us".

I have the same impression, that you are spending a lot of your tax money on military contractors, like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman and so on. But NATO countries buy a lot of their "products" as well. NASA Artemis 1 (SLS and Orion) is $4,100,000,000 for one flight. That is an expendable mission, and the Orion capsule will not be refurbished or reused after landing.

@MissCaraMint

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You have to understand that a lot of taxes goes into just keeping the over inflated bureaucracy going. It needs to be made more efficient on a ground level.

Dumbo, when he mentioned the Cayman Islands (a UK territory), he obviously didn't mean people moving to another state within the same country), or even people physically moving at all. Their money "moves" to tax havens like the Cayman Islands -- and European individuals do that more than Americans. (Panama Papers, etc.)

Kurt nilsen, norwegian artist, could not play his christmas musictour because of corona and got 120.000$ from the state because loss of income😂

@MissCaraMint

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Well he probably declared he was going to earn a much higher amount of money than he did earn, so basically he probably just over paid on the first place and got back the difference right.

12:25 This is one thing that is very concerning to me, because as a country neighboring Russia, knowing many Russians, this is exactly how they've felt since forever, while at the same time they bought into the easy rhetoric’s and lies of "THE STRONG PRESIDENT PUTIN"... And then, when this did not work out all that well, they went into a state of political apathy. I see waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to many similarities with 50% of the US population and Trump... I wrote concerning, well, I meant scary... These ppl don't see it themselves. But... all sensible Americans must get out and vote for Democrats. I don't care who they are or what they say, but the first order of the day is to vote anything but Republican in the coming elections, and then at the presidential elections. Then start working on the really messed up democratic system in the US demanding changes. It's time to start caring and voicing that, NOW, or it'll be too late. You caring is the only thing that can bring change. If Norway is a blueprint to follow, then so be it. USA can do much the same, but this will take some generations to fully change, as it's also about mindset and people. Education, healthcare, and social security nets for all is one place to start, in that order. Sorry for the outburst, but... I feel the US is falling into autocracy little by little, day by day, at ppl buy into ever more extreme illusions, or delusions.

Day 3 of asking you to watch «my gift to USA»

This such BS. I am Norwegian and I have yet to meet a actual working or intelligent Norwegian who enjoys our ridicolous high prices while we still have some of the worst public services in the western world. From hospitals to old people care centers to public service people. Our prisons are great tough 😆 but our Police is a incompetent joke "check the 22.Juli attacks" Our roads look like that of a developing country and yet we pay tax upon tax for these roads. Truckers from other countries are shocked when they come here. The only Norwegians who enjoys our systems a students who dont really are the ones paying for it. There was a time ages ago when Norways policy was sane and the country was homogeneous that people enjoyed paying taxes because the actual Norwegian people got allot back from this.