I don't know anybody who owns a gun. I don't know anybody who would want to own a gun. In the US health care is a privilege and gun ownership is a right. In the UK the opposite is true.

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

In rural places a lot of people have shotguns, on many cases the same shotgun their Granddad would have used

@ogribiker8535

7 ай бұрын

​@@ekl2947Also the amount and type of ammunition is very tightly regulated, unlike th US.

@Mr-Mop

7 ай бұрын

Since they outlawed sawn off pump action shotguns..... Well its just taken the fun out of it....... I mean, could you imagine?...... The guy in the post office would just laugh at you...... 🙄

@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t

7 ай бұрын

@@Mr-Mop It's the 'sawn off' part that's outlawed. For a pump action (with a magazine capacity higher than 2), you need a firearms license rather than a shotgun permit.

@richardwani2803

7 ай бұрын

When I was a kid my next-door neighbour had 2 shot guns and 3 hunting rifles well he was a farmer or worked on a farm I grew up in a small village and there was 6 or 7 farm's and they all had guns one farmer I knew had a world war ll hand gun which could fire it wasn't a replica but then again this was pre Dunblane

in Scotland the right to bare arms means wearing a T-shirt in January. 😂

@helenchelmicka7894

6 ай бұрын

😂😂

@smit6680

6 ай бұрын

Brilliant!

@thomaslewis7504

6 ай бұрын

Bears don't have arms.

@cgillman2744

5 ай бұрын

Taps aff!

@TheCardiffgirl

2 ай бұрын

😁😁😁

One huge difference which is often glossed over: ‘Defence’ is NOT a valid reason to own a gun in the UK

@robertstallard7836

7 ай бұрын

Not true. That only applies to some parts of the UK. In Northen ireland, for example, self defence is indeed a valid reason to own (and carry) a handgun.

@NK-bj8li

7 ай бұрын

I didn’t know that but seems you are right and self-defence can be a valid reason in Northern Ireland. My comment should have stated Great Britain and not the UK.

@robertstallard7836

7 ай бұрын

@@NK-bj8li It was all politics! When Tony Blair introduced the bill, the Northern Irish politicians agreed with the Home Affairs Committee that it would be wrong and unnecessary to ban handguns. They said that they would only vote for it if it didn't apply in Northen Ireland. Thus, they are still available on S1 Firearms Certificate there just like any other firearm. The "self defence" bit is separate and came about as a result of the troubles.

@JammyGuns

7 ай бұрын

@@robertstallard7836 That's true but in reality rare. Most PPW's are only issued to ex PSNI, ex military etc. You can own normal length handguns in NI (gun ownership being quite high) but the vast majority are for target shooting purposes only.

@davedavids57

6 ай бұрын

Self defence is a reason to have a hand gun in Britain. Section 5 of the 1968 firearms act allows the home office to directly issue licences. They won't give figures but it's believed that there are possibly up to 1,000 people in Britain with licences to carry concealed hand guns. Mainly politicians and ex police/military.

To quote Oscar Wilde - the right to bear arms is only marginally less stupid than the right to arm bears!

@RickZackExploreOffroad

7 ай бұрын

Wilde was also a socialists and has probably never seen a bear, or a mountain lion, coyote, wolf, etc etc.

@michaelfoster5577

7 ай бұрын

@@RickZackExploreOffroad I would be very interested to see any evidence that Wilde was a “socialists” (sic). He was an “aestheticist”. In any case, over a third of the British electorate vote for the Labour party, which openly admits to being socialist. Many Americans I have met accused me of being a communist because I argued in favour of the National Health Service of the UK. I am a retired officer of Her late Majesty’s Armed Forces Reserves. I have fired many weapons and instructed in their safe use over many years service (a total of 48 years). Not once have I felt the need to own a firearm of any kind. The comments about Wilde never having seen bears are irrelevant and specious and have nothing to do with the genuine points being dealt with in this thread.

@mmckenzie8085

7 ай бұрын

Lol what 😂​@@RickZackExploreOffroad

@alanbeaumont4848

6 ай бұрын

@@RickZackExploreOffroad He wasn't a socialist.

@mortdewerewolfe691

6 ай бұрын

@@alanbeaumont4848 AAMOF he was, although of the anarcho-syndicalist tendency. He even wrote a treatise entitled ''The Soul of Man Under Socialism''.

You cannot apply for a gun license in the UK with the idea of self defence. By saying that you are admitting that in a certain scenario you will point it at someone.

@razor1uk610

7 ай бұрын

there is a specific and special clause within UK Firearms Law(s) for an *_In Special Consideration For Self Defence Needs_* ...a request at be considered by the Poliice as to if given enough reasons, evidence & meeting ostensibly all other requirements, if it is thence so decided that a serious potential threat to life & lives cannot be otherwise be stopped/hindered, then for individual specific cases could be granted acceptable - such for some political exilees, some security agents, royal or state appointed bodyguards etc...

@tompiper9276

7 ай бұрын

That's about one person per million people. Quite niche! ​@@razor1uk610

@tacfoley4443

7 ай бұрын

@@razor1uk610 However, over in Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom, there are around 3500 handguns on issue to civilians - members of the judiciary/police force, politicians and others whose lives are deemed to be threatened by ongoing terrorist activity.

@royalirish4208

7 ай бұрын

Yes you can, you are leaving out NI were we can own a gun for protection. I myself carried a pistol for many years for my own self defense all totally legal and above board, now I own a .357 magnum Ruger GP100 and Glock 17 for sporting use.

@Rachel_M_

7 ай бұрын

@@royalirish4208 Gun control laws in Northern Ireland are less restrictive in some areas than gun laws in Great Britain due to the Good Friday Agreement, allowing Northern Ireland to govern itself and pass less restrictive laws. Gun laws in Northern Ireland are primarily affected by the Firearms (Northern Ireland) Order 2004.

What is NOT mentioned is the fact that once you have a firearms certificate, the police can visit your home at any time, unannounced, to carry out a check to ensure that you are conforming to the regulations regarding your certificate. Any breach can result in the loss of that right!

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

Indeed, even if it's out for cleaning the ammunition must be kept separate and any magazines empty. If they showed up, you're cleaning it and have a full magazine then you're in bother

@charleshowie2074

7 ай бұрын

Completely reasonable. It is super invasive, sure, but you are being allowed to own a gun in the UK. Our gun laws are none the worse for such measures. 🫡 🇬🇧

@torfinnsrnes6232

7 ай бұрын

same in norway I think. You have to keep the weapons in a certified locked gun cabinet. And the cabinet should be bolted to the construction in the house.

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

And that's OK to you guys? Having police check your homes, making you out to be a criminal. That's like 3 constitutional right violations here. Sorry but our government has limits for a reason. That sounds very 1940s Germany to me.

@pathopewell1814

7 ай бұрын

My late father was a policeman. He regularly checked gun licences in our area. He himself in the army had carried a gun during WW2.

I’m in the UK, don’t know anyone that owns a gun, held a gun, do not know anyone who has fired a gun… I also don’t know anyone learning to use a gun. Have no idea where a gun range would possibly be! I’ve only ever seen armed police in London at major situations and post terror attacks… mostly our police don’t carry guns because we don’t have a huge gun culture in the UK… the knife crime is down to small amounts of communities. We have documentaries about one punch being a killer 😮

@alexrowson-brown6568

6 ай бұрын

Allow me to introduce myself, I have experience shooting both rifles and shotguns in the UK, been to multiple ranges It’s not very advertised but I did shoot a lot as a kid as part of cadets even getting marksmanship awards

@engineeredlifeform

6 ай бұрын

I live in the UK. I'm an NSRA qualified Air Rifle Instructor. I own six air air rifles. I know several people that own shotguns. I have shot various types of shotgun, .22 rimfire rifles, .22 rimfire pistol, .38 Special Revolver, and 9mm pistol. I live a few miles from a shooting club licensed for .22 rimfire, and am a member of an Air Rifle Shooting club. You might know someone like me, but we just don't shout about it, or even talk about it unless the subject comes up, which it rarely does.

@McMonkeyful

3 ай бұрын

I got into shooting air rifles a few years before locldown as there was a range on the farm my wife worked at. When I picked up my first rifle from a gun shop in Newport (South Wales) I was suprised to see how many semi-automatic 5.56mm NATO calibre military style rifles were on sale. They even had a huge 50 cal (half inch) Barrett sniper rifle, which can fire bullets that will penetrate steel plate. Not sure who's buying those. During lockdown I treated myseelf to a top of the line pre-charged pnumatic air rifle, which is just under the threshold of being considered a firearm. The guy selling it lived on a farm in Gloucestershire & was an ex army armourer. He had a safe with a dozen or so full power rifles of all sorts. I suspect the majority of the 6.5/100 gun owners in the UK are in these rural areas. Most of us live in cities & just don't mix in those social circles.

@skydamage8679

9 күн бұрын

@@engineeredlifeformI live in Texas I shot 12g ak74 mp5 22lr, 30-30 lever action, mini gun, 9mm rifle and gun, .308 revolver and 22 magnum actually I shoot almost every weekend I own my private gun range in my Texas range but when in the city I’m in the range

That owning a gun is considered a right in America goes a long way to explaining why the country is in such a mess.

@Trebor74

7 ай бұрын

I would prefer the explanation that Europe exported all its weirdos, religious zealots etc and they've inbred for the past 250 years.

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

😂 20th century alone validated the 2nd amendment. Governments are responsible for over 100,000,000 peoples deaths in the last 100 years alone promising safety and security in place of individual freedoms. Keep in mind we were founded by random citizens coming together with their own Arms fighting the most powerful empire in the world at the time.

@fallenhero4550

7 ай бұрын

Well the fantatics that obsess over the 2nd Amendment believe that they and their little Beretta or AR-15 are going to stop the US military from taking away their rights.

@HunkumSpunkum

7 ай бұрын

What, the US is in a bigger mess than Britain? Really? Are you sure about that?

@paulmilner8452

7 ай бұрын

they still think its the wild west

I'm in the UK. I grew up with shotguns and often went grouse and rabbit hunting with my dad. My cousin still owns shotguns and continues to hunt for game. It is not the average but its certainly not unheard of for UK citizens to own guns. The difference is we are not gun zealots - we dont see gun ownership as part of our personality and identity. Guns are tools and like any dangerous tool, they need to be handled and managed as such. In the same way you need to pass a test and have a license to drive a car, a lorry or a forklift, we have similar rules around guns and other potentially dangerous tools.

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

Aye, plenty of people in the countryside own and use shotguns

@asalvats

7 ай бұрын

Exacto,, en Europa la premisa no es la defensa personal, si no por deporte y caza.

@bakersmileyface

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. The culture is just completely different. We have to lock our guns up and ammunition up separately in a location inaccessible to children, keep our keys in different locations. If we're transporting them, they stay in a bag at the boot of the car which we cannot leave unattended. We can only transport them if we have a purpose for doing so. In order to obtain a firearm in the first place we need a license which requires police to register it and see where it's going to be kept, the environment it's being kept in and ensure we're aware of how to be safe. We're taught in firearm safety. If we can't be safe with the dangerous weapons then we don't deserve to have them. But in the US most of the time (different rules for different states) you just need to not have a specific criminal background.

@Robdc89

7 ай бұрын

But not for personal defense mostly for hunting or pest control, I used to be a pest control hunter, didn't have a shotgun I had an air rifle, no license needed.

@jezlawrence720

7 ай бұрын

Yeah guns for self defence are just not a thing here, you'll not get a license on that basis. Sport, game or vermin control and historical interest is basically it. But if you are actively involved in those things and can comply with storage and transport regs you'll find it no problem getting such a license. But most folk aren't. So they don't have them. Just the crims, who mostly shoot each other, they don't shoot people in robberies (and those who do tend to get the polices full attention and don't last long). They wave them around but rarely use them cos most civilians aren't stupid enough to try to intervene. The most danger as a civilian would be stray bullets or mistaken identity, in certain very specific and rare specific gang hot spots. This also makes our police way less jumpy, in general. Heavy handed when they do deploy force? Absolutely. But quick to deploy it? Really not for the most part.

I am an old lady of almost 80. Up until about seven years ago I had a combined shotgun and firearms licence. I have land to keep my horses and poultry on, and needed to be able to control vermin. It was no problem to get my licence as I had a good reason for it, was 'of good character' and my gp had no concerns about my mental health. I bought an approved gun cabinet and had it installed in a suitable place by a recommended installer, then contacted the police who came to inspect my set-up. All was well and I was issued with my licence then bought the shotgun I'd decided on. A few months later, the FO came to do a spot check but I had a friend visiting with their teenage grandchildren. At the front door I told him this, so he made a comment thanking me loudly for a (non-existent) witness statement about a car accident and said goodbye. He came by again a couple of weeks later. I gave up shooting gradually, starting about ten years ago, as my eyesight began to deteriorate. Now a pleasant young man shoots vermin on my land about once or twice a week. I gave him written and signed permission to do so, which he had to show to the police in order to be issued with his licence.

@jizzmonkey9679

7 ай бұрын

They don't do combined section 1 and section 2 certificates , coterminous is what you are referring to.

@Sine-gl9ly

7 ай бұрын

@@jizzmonkey9679 Thanks for that, I couldn't remember the term - I stopped shooting seven or eight years ago, about the same time as I handed in my driving licence. It is indisputable that eyesight deteriorates and reaction times slow as one ages, and I felt that was the only responsible thing to do as there is, as yet, no known way to avoid old age and what comes with it.

@jizzmonkey9679

7 ай бұрын

@@Sine-gl9ly a 12 bore tends to kick a bit more with age as well.

@Sine-gl9ly

7 ай бұрын

@@jizzmonkey9679 That's also very true; unfortunately they all do!

@Chris-dz3rs

6 ай бұрын

Very reasonable response to simply getting older .Avoid potential accidents/tragedy by simply realizing its not safe anymore . And the same thing with giving up driving . Cheers to you young lady !!!

As a Canadian I read the comment stating "in the US health care is a privilege and gun ownership is a right", I agree with this. It is very sad to hear news from America on mass civilian shootings and how disagreements are settled by bringing out a gun , such as the 14 year old boy who shot his sister and then fatally shot his older brother.....it is very very sad!

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

Health care is a private system because government run health care is historically a bad idea. UK recently pulled the plug of a child despite the parents wanting to get a treatment that had a decent chance of saving the baby. Yet the UK government took the parents to court and pulled the plug anyway.

@marcleblanc6293

7 ай бұрын

That sir is not the fault of the gun....that is a failure of society to teach young people, who at 14 should not have access to a firearm unless under supervision and training by a adult, to use a firearm properly. Here in Canada we have a extensive training program, a licencing system that registers LEGAL gun owners and we are daily run through a system every day to ensure we have not done anything wrong. All this and we still have mass shootings, the latest in 2020 inmPictou Nova Scotia where a man called Worth an shot, killed and burned to death 21 people using ilegally obtained firearms, dressed as a RCMP officer and driving around in a doctored up cruiser. All the laws passed since the 70s did nothing to prevent any of this. Governments response was Bill C-21 further restricting la abiding citizens who commit less than 0.1% of crimes, it illustrates how out of touch governments are. Instead of addressing the real issues both social and economic of why people commit crimes with firearms they take away the rights of law abiding citizens........it is fundamentally wrong.

@lucyhardy-styles-shield2728

6 ай бұрын

Add in the 6 year old who shot his teacher when the school was WARNED REPEATEDLY he would do something like that and didn't step in

@AngelCakes1997

6 ай бұрын

@@marcleblanc6293putting the potential instantaneous destruction into anyone’s hand, at any age, is a poor decision. Having no guns means no shootings, certainly no easy ones. Pretty sure the entirety of Europe has fewer shootings than any one American state every year, but I could be wrong.

@marcleblanc6293

6 ай бұрын

@@AngelCakes1997 angel your delusional if you think removing all guns will prevent anyone being killed. They are removing guns from law abiding citizens, not the criminals, not the police and not the military. Guns will always be available to criminals, bombs can easily be made from readily available materials, veichles can be used as weapons to mow down the innocent. If someone is intention harming others banning guns from law abiding citizens will not stop them. Liberal policies do not work, it has been proven over and over again with the worst being Wortman in Nova Scotia who killed 21 people some with ilegallymobtained firearms and others he burned to death in their home.....so explain how Liberal gun policies stopped him? 2 of his guns were obtained illegally from the state's the other from the RCMP officer he killed. How did any of the Liberal gun policies stop him from obtaining a RCMP uniform and a RCMP cruiser? Your blind and sorry to say dumb if you think taking away guns from law abiding citizens will solve any of the problems with the criminal use of firearms. But go ahead and believe the Liberal lies.....lies like assault style firearm, there is no such thing it is a made up term, ar-15s used to commit crimes...there has never been an instance of a ar-15 ever being used to commit a crime in Canada. Long guns like the ones Trudeau is banning are not used by criminals, by far their preferred choice of firearm is a handgun and while sure Bill c-21 is supposedly banning them they are only banned for law abiding registered citizens , criminals will still have them and still use them.

You should watch a video on the Dunblane school massacre to help explain why our gun laws are this way. Tennis player Andy Murray was at the school when it happened. He rarely talks about it but he is understandably upset.

@StockportJambo

6 ай бұрын

Dunblane is the reason why the UK has such strict gun laws. In the US, Dunblane is a regular Tuesday.

Even in those countries with the most permissive gun regulations, the US is the ONLY one where self-defence is accepted as a valid reason for ownership among the general population. Countries, especially western-style democracies, accept that public safety is a rôle the police force fulfills.

@Seticzech

7 ай бұрын

We have self defense as valid reason for owning a gun. Of course we have to fulfill some necessary requirements, we can't buy guns just like that. Hello from Czechia.

@torfinnsrnes6232

7 ай бұрын

@@Seticzech who are we?

@Seticzech

7 ай бұрын

@@torfinnsrnes6232 Did you read the last sentence? Citizens of Czech republic.

@KaiHenningsen

7 ай бұрын

@@Seticzech I believe there are similar rules for Germany, that is, you can get one if you are competent and can point to a reason you need one for self-defense - just saying "I need one for self-defense" doesn't cut it (not least because there might be better ways to deal with the problem).

@Joshua-fi4ji

7 ай бұрын

​@@SeticzechFor now anyway. That mass shooting the other day may lead to changes, but I'm honestly not familiar with the state of Czech politics.

The key difference is, most people don't want or feel the need to own a gun

@user-os6cg2vi7t

5 ай бұрын

You stupid if you don’t

Also, I don’t need a gun for self defence, because no one has a gun to shoot me…

What I do not understand is why children in US also have guns. I remember seeing a photograph of a politician with his wife and children standing in front of their Christmas tree and every single child was holding a large gun and so were their parents. I think that is obscene.

@yvetteadshead4212

7 ай бұрын

Me too, I saw the same picture, on a Christmas card for crying out loud .

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

Propaganda. You cannot legally own or buy a rifle or shotgun till 18. Then 21 for handguns. The pictures you see are adult supervision training or safety. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching your kids proper gun safety and practice while supervising them.

@lornaclayton2697

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Well I don’t know anyone who owns a gun, and I hope I never do. As for sending out Christmas cards with that photograph on the front, I think it’s appalling. The Christmas message is about peace on Earth and good will to all men.

@joelfett4739

2 ай бұрын

Maybe if you were born and raised here you would understand when you put around 320 million people all from wildly different backgrounds and cultures into a single country, things can tend to escalate rapidly. I would love to explain to you why it is completely appropriate to own a gun in the US, but that would take a while.

@kennyalbert3692

10 күн бұрын

I was given my first gun at 5 years old and taught gun safety and responsibility from the get go .

The difference in gun culture is really quite remarkable. I’m from a fairly rural area (Cornwall), and I’ve only ever seen a gun once or twice in my life (excluding museums or other historical experiences), both owned by farmers who live nearby to me. Other than that I don’t know anyone who owns a gun, anyone who wants to, or anyone who has to. It’s so curious how different the UK experience is to Americans

@richardgale1287

7 ай бұрын

That said, in the Cornish village I grew up in, the police were called when two men had a cutlass fight. And that was the 1990s.

@suzettewilliams1758

7 ай бұрын

​@richardgale1287 A Cutless, actually fits history, A cutless is still the term they use in Jamaica for the blade that cuts sugarcane. Plus Cornwell has long connections in Jamaica, Cornwall is the name of one of three county's in Jamaica. Also think of that novel, The Jamaica Inn, its also set in Cornwall. So a fight with a cutless seems unsurprising.

@richardgale1287

7 ай бұрын

@@suzettewilliams1758 Nice observations. Thanks.

@jacquieclapperton9758

7 ай бұрын

​@@suzettewilliams1758Cutlasses are still used in the Royal Navy - but only for ceremonial purposes.

@RickZackExploreOffroad

7 ай бұрын

It's just the opposite here in the US. I've only met a few people in my area that didn't own a firearm. I myself own about two dozen. Here they are considered basically a tool. Really no different then a hammer, saw or screwdriver.

Best summed up by Rowan Atkinson's character in The Thin Blue Line "In order to allow someone to own a gun, I must first ask questions as to whether they are a suitable person to own one. One of those questions must be "Does this person wish to own a gun?". If the answer is "Yes" then they are clearly not a suitable person to own a gun."

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

😂 Most illogical thinking ever. Glad a made up character doesn't make laws.

@northfield3654

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Its a joke about those with power, if someone wants to run a country then that are clearly not suitable to run a country.

@nolajoy7759

7 ай бұрын

It's illogical to think that is illogical. Maybe you just don't follow the reasoning. ​@@S1D3W1ND3R015

@mortdewerewolfe691

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Irony and logic not your strong point?

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

@@northfield3654 If someone wants to own a constitutional right lawfully, they are able to period. Why are you so fearful of lawful people owning guns for defense or recreation? The people you are worried about already can't own guns and do not give a rats behind about your silly little laws.

Owning a gun is not a right. It's a responsibility.

@Tylerd838

7 ай бұрын

it’s a right in the us

@RickZackExploreOffroad

7 ай бұрын

@@Tylerd838 It's also a duty.

I have never once in my 52 years of life ever felt the need for a gun in Britain, I don't hunt for my food. I go to the shops. And I certainly don't want to hurt anybody and I have never felt threatened enough to warrant owning a gun. I've seen videos of Americans who seem to be obsessed with guns. I can only think it's some kind of a power trip. Maybe they need a gun to make themselves feel strong? Or maybe they're just so paranoid that they feel they need a gun.

@StormhavenGaming

7 ай бұрын

There aren't many legitimate reasons for gun ownership in the UK. Pest control in rural areas and target shooting are the main ones. In fairness to our American friends, the violent crime statistics suggest that it isn't just paranoia!

@engineeredlifeform

6 ай бұрын

And you have completely the wrong mindset to own a gun. In the UK, as detailed in the video, owning a gun is only for hunting or recreational purposes, NEVER self defense.

@coffeecolic5799

6 ай бұрын

@@engineeredlifeformHow many school shootings have there being in America??? How many people die or are wounded from gunshot wounds in America 🤔.... I don't think I need to say anything else

@engineeredlifeform

6 ай бұрын

@@coffeecolic5799 You shouldn't have said anything. The video is about gun ownership in the UK. The person that started this thread, is in the UK. I am in the UK. We aren't talking about US gun ownership, approving of it, promoting it or anything like that. I myself am quite critical of it, so take your rant elsewhere.

@coffeecolic5799

6 ай бұрын

lol I did start it! I'm replying to you @@engineeredlifeform kzread.infogaming/emoji/7ff574f2/emoji_u1f602.pngkzread.infogaming/emoji/7ff574f2/emoji_u1f602.png

My secret pleasure is getting into debates about guns with americans on gun nut channels. They get so triggered when you present them with facts and logic. All they can parrot back is propaganda, brainwashing, and flat out lies.

@BSA-AirRifle-Plinking

7 ай бұрын

Haha, too right 👍🇬🇧

@sampeeps3371

7 ай бұрын

@@BSA-AirRifle-Plinking I've subbed to your channel. Your air rifles are cool!

@BSA-AirRifle-Plinking

7 ай бұрын

@@sampeeps3371 Thanks, that means a lot 👍

@Rachel_M_

7 ай бұрын

Me too 😁 have you ever pointed out our children have a much higher school survival rate? They don't like that at all 😂

@Rachel_M_

7 ай бұрын

​@@BSA-AirRifle-Plinking fancy seeing you here, been subbed for a few months. I have a nice little hatsan break barrel, willow stock, for plinking and ratting. Not the most expensive, but good enough for my purposes

I have never quite understood why Americans seem to love their guns more than their children. Just because your constitution says you can own a gun, why would that take priority over the trauma your kids go to every time they get on a school bus?

@paulharrison8152

7 ай бұрын

Because criminals, who are armed, don’t care about peoples children.

@user-ne1kp8yo8n

7 ай бұрын

it's because the politicians do the will of the lobbyists and not the people!

@StormhavenGaming

7 ай бұрын

@@user-ne1kp8yo8n Welcome to the world. I assume that you're new here?

@user-ne1kp8yo8n

7 ай бұрын

@@StormhavenGaming no but thanx anyway!

@RickZackExploreOffroad

7 ай бұрын

We own our guns to protect our children. There is a reason that most so called "mass shootings" (statistically rare events) happen in gun free zones.

As a UK gun owner i have a small collection of classic shotguns. They're not impossible to get but the system does make it difficult to get them. It's also VERY easy to loose your licence and have your guns seized. For instance in the states from what I understand you can literally make your own improvised firearm for personal use. Here that'll land you a 10 stretch.

The point IS that when the Constitution was written, the most powerful gun you could get was a musket. Muzzle-loading, black-powder using and THREE shots per minute. Who the hell NEEDS a gun that can fire 100 rounds a minute anyway? The problem is that you Americans have become so beholden to them and enthralled by them that, despite more mass shootings per year than there are DAYS, you just can't seem to do without them (NOTE: YES you CAN). And do NOT give me that crap of "Well, if someone had a gun they could have taken the shooter out!" - if NOBODY had guns then those who were killed with them would still be alive. I wonder whether your opinion would change at all if one of YOUR children was killed with a gun. Having a gun does NOT give you freedom. True freedom is being able to walk down ANY street at ANY time and NOT need them. And never forget that although it is written down, Laws CAN be changed or repealed. It has happened at least 3 times before.

My dad owned a shotgun for decades. To this day I still have no idea where he stored it or the ammo even though he no longer has it. That toddlers in the US accidentally shoot their parents every so often is unfathomable to me, as is the idea that you can freely own and carry in public a weapon that you do not need to prove any competence of use...

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

It is usually toddlers in houses where owning an illegal firearm is somewhere around halfway down in terms of what all illegal activity is going on in there. Would be nice to see statistics broken down in this manner

@musicandbooklover-p2o

7 ай бұрын

@@jamesgornall5731 Not judging from news reports from the US on the subject. Often seems to be an irresponsible parent who keeps it in the bedside table drawer with bullets in for good measure.

@musicandbooklover-p2o

7 ай бұрын

Dad had a 22 rifle (originally UK - used for shooting rabbits and pigeons during the war - before moving to NZ) and the ammo was in the dressing table drawer, the rifle was up in the loft = wrapped to keep it clean and protected) but I've no idea where the bolt was kept. I do remember dad searching a couple of times because he forgot where he had hidden it (he had his own ''shooting range'' out on some land he owned in the country and would go shooting once a year or so). This was in the days before gun safes were required. My neighbour had one as well, the rifle was in the garage but I've no idea where the ammo or bolt were but they were definitely kept well apart and hidden. It was just common sense (and quite possibly a legal requirement though I don't know, I do know they had a fight every time they gun licences were renewed but dad often also did vermin shooting with someone from work and I suspect that swung the need for a licence. The rats on the tips were too big for an air rifle.

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

@@musicandbooklover-p2o ah, good old days, need separate rifle and ammunition safes

@TheLettybird

7 ай бұрын

The first I knew about my dad’s guns was when my mum surrendered them to the police after he died. That’s when I discovered we had a secure gun cabinet under the stairs!

No weapons of any kind are permitted for 'self-defence' in the UK. Whilst you are allowed to defend yourself and if you happen to have a object on you, such as an umbrella, and you use it to defend yourself that is fine, but if you have a specific item to defend yourself it becomes an offensive weapon and therefore illegal. Pepper sprays are also not permitted.

@Rachel_M_

7 ай бұрын

That's why I carry a frozen double decker around with me (joke)

@tomchitling

7 ай бұрын

Surprising how many small shop keepers play baseball, and keep the ball just in case.

@samstevens7888

7 ай бұрын

@@Rachel_M_ as a older female that lives alone. I keep a rather large metal torch at my front door. Of course it isn't for self defence, it's so I can see if the many lights in my communal hallway lights go out lol

@Rachel_M_

7 ай бұрын

@@samstevens7888 😂 is it one of those big ones that take big D type batteries? I know the type, They're fantastic for lighting up darkened hallways 😉

@se4307

7 ай бұрын

My granny taught me to always carry nail scissors in my bag. A handy non weapon that anyone might carry. A door key to the eye will also do it.

It’s really only farmers and sportsmen that own guns. Self defence is never a reason to own a gun. You would be arrested if you shot an intruder.

@robertstallard7836

7 ай бұрын

Not true. That only applies to some parts of the UK. In Northen ireland, for example, self defence is indeed a valid reason to own (and carry) a handgun.

Here in Australia you may own guns for Hunting, Farming, Gunclub shooting or sports shooting, but Self Defence is not a valid reason.

I have never understood why anyone would need a semi-automatic weapon. I know it is not illegal to own a gun but we have very strict reasons and checks in place.

@metoo7557

7 ай бұрын

It's called tyranny. It's the only way the invasion of europe could go on for over 10 years unopposed.

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

Do you know what semi-automatic means in this context? Only asking because I suspect you may be misinformed

@StephenSilverbeard

7 ай бұрын

Adding a semi automatic rife to UK gun license is very difficult, it is often restricted to people who cull deer, shooting vermin, etc. as part of their job. and there can be extra restrictions on where the guns can be stored such in a secure cabinet at their place of work.

@jizzmonkey9679

7 ай бұрын

​@@StephenSilverbeardthat simply isn't true, far more semi auto firearms used for target shooting, in fact none of our permitted semi automatic firearms are legal for dear stalking.

@notwhatitwasbefore

7 ай бұрын

I presume you mean automatic weapon as in a machine gun or similar that fires continuously with a single trigger pull and not semi automatic which only resets the action after the round is fired but requires a second trigger pull to fire the next round. Automatic weapons I feel could only be justified under the assumption they would be used in the case of forgein invasion like some European nations with small populations and shall we say a history of being invaded by Russia do or maybe for defence against a government that turns on its people. They are after all military grade weapons and have no reasonable other uses except war. Semi-Auto has other applications like in hunting or target shooting as it negages the need to manualy chamber a round or load the weapon between shots but does not allow for the volume of fire produced by a military grade fire arm. Semi auto essentially means single shot but that the gun can be ready to fire again without reloading however will not fire continuously (Automatically). As someone who lives in the UK I would not want the free for all that the American system allows but I do see the value in having a population trained in firearm use and more importantly safety should the need for defence ever be required. As Ukraine is proving quite nicely having a large number of people who can use a firearm effectively without military service can come in handy. Its also worth noting that the only people without firearms in the UK are the law abiding types as making something illegal by definition is no barrier to criminals

UK Population is over 67 million, NOT the 56 million quoted. The video creator seems to be making the all-too-common mistake of confusing England (56 million) and the UK.

@user-ne1kp8yo8n

7 ай бұрын

is that really the most important aspect of the video for you?

@adriangoodrich4306

7 ай бұрын

@@user-ne1kp8yo8nGrow up. Is deriding my (correct) observation really so important to you? Or relevant to anything? I have made three further posts on this thread, so I think the answer is quite clear, sunshine.

@user-ne1kp8yo8n

7 ай бұрын

@@adriangoodrich4306 awww! does baby want a hug lol!

@elemar5

7 ай бұрын

It's an error, how many other errors might there be in the video?@@user-ne1kp8yo8n

@adriangoodrich4306

7 ай бұрын

@@user-ne1kp8yo8n Maybe you do? You seem quite the sort. ps. Derision is the last refuge of those who have made total pillocks of themselves. As you have.

I've been trying to explain this to people for so long. It's always the other brits that tell me I'm wrong. Honestly most of the people over here actually believe they are illegal unless you are a famer. I actually had someone say that if guns were in any way legal then the hoodie gangsters would be able to get them. That's the level of intelligence I'm going up against sometimes 😩

@rogerphelps9939

6 ай бұрын

It is a very healthy misconception.

Why do you need a gun? If the answer is for self-defense, your permit is instantly denied. In the UK.

As a UK gun owner, the process is quite easy. If everything checks out, you'll be granted a certificate allowing you to use and own firearms up to the caliber supported by the club you're a member of. You can also apply for variations, so if you have a farmer friend who wishes to allow you to shoot on their land, the police will visit the land and asses what calibers are safe to shoot. Once they have a signed letter from the land owner, they can grant the variation and you can now own the calibers permitted for use on that land. Variations cost about £20, so it's not too bad. We also don't need to send forms off to be given approval for suppressors. We just list them on our licence and we're good to go. All of mine have them because nobody wants to have to wear hearing protection. Pre-covid, the club I was a member of allowed up to .50 bmg. Covid put them out of business though. So now I shoot on a farmer friends land and shoot .223 mainly out of a Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 which has a sub-MOA guarantee. Beautiful rifle. We have quite a few rifles from the likes of Savage Arms too which are brilliant rifles. Just wish my safe was big enough to hold more rifles 😂

At my work we keep being spammed by a US gun shop offering to sell us ammo. As none of us have gun licences, I keep wanting to reply to them to point out they are trying to get us to break U.K. law. I suspect they have never thought of it.

@RickZackExploreOffroad

7 ай бұрын

Probably a bot. That said I get a lot of spam concerning ammo sales. Since I buy ammunition in bulk, usually 1,000 rounds at a time, I don't mind it. I'm always looking for a good deal.

Coming from a family that owned guns (my dad), here's what he had to do. Firstly he owned a .22 rifle. He had a separate firearms licence for that. Then, he owned 5 shotguns. He had a separate licence for those too.The shotguns were licenced on the pretext that he would go shooting at an established shoot, or farm that gave him access. The rifle was licenced on the pretext that he would go to one specific area in Scotland that would give him access about 2-3 times a year. Now to keep the guns safe, he had a steel cabinet that had to be fixed to the floor and the wall with long screws. The rifle also needed to be fixed inside with a separate chain on which a padlock had to be put through. Every 5-6 months, a police officer would come to our home and inspect the gun cabinet. My dad had a small room behind his bedroom. Also in the cabinet, was a safe where we could put jewellery and what not inside.

My American cousin got a pink AR15 for her birthday, another year she got a handgun she could conceal down her boot. Can’t imagine living my life so constantly in fear!

@RickZackExploreOffroad

7 ай бұрын

I can't imagine living in a society where not only the people are frightened of a tool but their own government is frightened of the prople owning that tool. Sad really.

@bordersw1239

7 ай бұрын

@@RickZackExploreOffroad . An AR15 is crap for hunting and crap for self defence. It’s also not going to stop a bunch of fighter jets or Abrams tanks if you’re worried about your government.

@susanmullen5105

7 ай бұрын

​@@RickZackExploreOffroadWhy would we have to own one??? What on earth would I do with a gun? Shoot seagulls? 🤔

@RickZackExploreOffroad

7 ай бұрын

@@susanmullen5105 Then don't own one if you feel you have no need or desire to own one. Pretty simple really. Of course as the old saying goes "it's better have one and not need it then to need one and not have it". Since I prefer organic free ranging protein, a firearm is pretty handy. I also live in a area where people are not at the top of the food chain. They come in very handy if one is facing a mountain lion, brown bear, wolves or coyotes. I also spend a lot of time in wilderness areas, for up to 2 weeks at a time, and a firearm is a basic survival tool. No less valuable then a first aid kit.or an emergency shelter. Then of course not all predators walk on four legs. At least in the real world. More then half of the two dozen or so firearms I own I have because of their historical value, uniqueness, or sentimental value. For example I don't "need" a 1841 .50 Cal Hawkins Buffalo Gun or a 1866 Winchester "Yellow Boy". But I like them.. My great granddad's 1878 12 Ga shotgun has no practical purpose. Firearms are just tools, nothing more. Like all tools some are some are better suited for specific tasks.

@VoidDragon82

7 ай бұрын

I went to visit cousins in the states a few years back. One of them, proudly, showed me his collection of substitute penises (guns) and started talking about them as if they had feelings. I just walked out the room. The moron had 6 handguns, 3 AR15’s and I have know idea how many bullets. Apparently it’s for “self-protection”; the guy is a physiotherapist… what enemies does he think he has??

"I want a gun for 'self-protection'." This would make you ineligible for consideration because it is an admission that, under certain circumstances, you would be prepared to point it at another person.

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely correct, if you mention this to the police then you'll be quietly refused permission for owning anything other than maybe a car. Even if you owned an air rifle they'd raise an eyebrow, after that.

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

So in other words your government are afraid of the wrong people. Why are you so afraid of lawful people using the most effective tool to protect themselves

@richardphillips8260

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 No, They see somebody who is willing to kill, for almost any reason, as a danger to the general public.

@alancook

7 ай бұрын

How's that working out for you?@@S1D3W1ND3R015

@jessbellis9510

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Dude that's literally what the police are meant to be for.

But it's not a right in nearly every country on earth. The general consensus is that guns are only in mass circulation in the event of civil war, in any country (the UK is no specific exception to this).

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

Canada, Switzerland places like that many people own guns, in Switzerland it was law that people had to have one when they left the army after national service

Long time watcher, first time commenter. As a follow up to this video, look up the dumblaine school shooting (tennis players Andy Murray, and his brother were at the school at that time) this one incident brought out an entire ban on side arms in the UK. There was a short amnesty for people to hand in guns, then it became illegal for anyone in the UK to hold or own a side arm

The last school shooting in the UK was in 1996 in Scotland. It was so long ago that British tennis player Andy Murray was a student there at the time. Thankfully he was in a different room, so wasn’t hurt.

So how's that right to bear arms going? 630 mass shootings in the USA this year, in the UK we have had 8 since 2020. Have to say making it a privilege seems to be working over here.

@andrewbragg504

7 ай бұрын

If only the kids at columbine n sandy hook had a way to defend themselves... Oh wait a minute they did but the right to bare arms was useless

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

We've had 8? I'm surprised there have been so many. We're they all to do with gangs? All in London?

@jacklurcher5813

7 ай бұрын

@@jamesgornall5731 He's correct, 8 since 2020. 6 of those had no fatalities (but multiple people injured), one had 1 fatality and 4 injured (Liverpool). The worst was Plymouth, 6 dead (including the gunman) and 2 injured. They probably wouldn't make the local news in the USA.

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

@@jacklurcher5813 it's pretty good going really

It's interesting that the right to gun ownership is written into the constitution (if only as an amendment) and slavery (in prison) is specifically allowed.

@2727rogers

7 ай бұрын

That amendment was more to allow states to have their own militias than to have everyone armed. For some reason it was interrupted the other way.

@Trebor74

7 ай бұрын

Except,unless you are a convicted felon,in which case you have the right to own a firearm removed. The fear of Britain removing colonists weapons was one of the given reasons for the revolution, they tended to shoot people and start wars,then complain when taxes needed to be raised to pay for the war. It's the reason gun ownership was written into the constitution. In effect what it means is that Americans are constantly on the verge of revolution,both with their government and each other.

@mnomadvfx

7 ай бұрын

@@2727rogers "For some reason it was interrupted the other way" The reason is 1 miilion percent clear when you realise the firearms industry makes a lot of money on it and uses a significant portion of it to protect their interests in Washington DC. Without those profit margins the industry flounders and the support for the amendments interpretation dies a horrible death. What needs to happen is someone doing to the firearms industry what was done to the British slave trade. Make a law that does not directly affect it, but makes it either so utterly unprofitable, or impactical that the industry can no longer support their lobbying efforts.

@2727rogers

7 ай бұрын

@@mnomadvfx hat would be a great idea but thanks to Citizen United that would be hard to to. Remember in the USA corporations are citizens as well. What a stupid decision that was for sure.

@Tylerd838

7 ай бұрын

prison is not slavery

Im a 32 years old guy based in South Africa, i have not handled a real gun in my life.

When I was going to visit New York, I told my eldest sister I would have to get a gun for protection. She was horrified and said,Ohh! Sal,do be careful. 🤣🤣On a more serious note,I have never known or met anyone here with a gun,apart from exceptions like local Welsh farmers,to protect their livestock from such as foxes. Even then,they never discuss or display them. I can only imagine knowing that anywhere you go over there has a strong potential for being in the wrong place at the wrong time is scary ,to put it mildly.I do fully understand why homeowners need guns as protection from intruders though.. One of the most disturbing things I have seen on footage,is the way the police don’t stop when taking down a suspect,but just keep shooting until they are dead. Now that is terrifying.Where do you draw the line?! Thank god to live over here

Actually owning a gun is very easy in the UK if you have a legitimate reason (Self defence is not a legitimate reason). I owned a gun from 16 till about 19 (I had to surrender the firearm when I went to university due to letting my club membership expire). No one stormed my front door, I was sent a letter and given time to resolve to issue (I decided to sell the firearm back to a local store).

@georgebarnes8163

6 ай бұрын

You can own a gun for self defence in the UK

@Deano-Dron81

6 ай бұрын

@@georgebarnes8163You can’t though. Doesn’t take too much time to simply look it up.

@georgebarnes8163

6 ай бұрын

certainly can, PPW licences are issued by the Home secretary, look it up under section 5@@Deano-Dron81

@danquinn4505

4 ай бұрын

@@Deano-Dron81 You can in Northern Ireland, for obvious reasons. Northern Ireland is part of the UK so he is technically right. You can't in Great Britain.

@Deano-Dron81

4 ай бұрын

@@danquinn4505 👍

I'm in the UK. My husband and I were target pistol shooters until they were banned (we were also active in the protests against banning them), so I know a little about the topic. To obtain our licences, as well as going through the personal vetting process described here, we also had to prove membership of a recognised pistol club. The club we belonged to owned both an indoor and an outdoor range, where we went to shoot. "Personal protection" is absolutely NOT considered a good reason for owning a gun, and if you mention this phrase, you will instantly be considered unfit to hold a firearms licence. It suggests that you may have some kind of fantasies about shooting people. A gun owner must store all firearms and ammunition in a secure, fireproof locked cabinet which is out of sight. We had to buy a very heavy metal gun safe which was bolted to the wall of the house in an obscure corner of the top floor, with a main section for the pistols and a separately locked compartment for ammo, and this setup was inspected by firearms officers as part of approving the licence. (No pistols there now, obviously, but at least it's still a useful document safe.) Guns are allowed out of the safe only while being used or maintained. While being transported anywhere they must be in secure, inconspicuous cases. Showing a firearm to any unlicensed person, or even showing them where they're stored, is grounds for immediate loss of your licence. Once while I was away at a job training course and my husband was out shopping, the house was burgled. Of course he phoned the police, and when he said "we're target shooters and there are guns in the house", they were round in no time flat! By the time they arrived, he had checked the gun safe, and the burglars hadn't penetrated that far into the house. When the police came, he said he'd checked and the guns were OK. They still wanted to see them. "Are you firearms officers? Do you have a firearms licence?" Neither of them did. "Then I'm not even allowed to tell you where the safe is." They were very disappointed.

@TheGiff7

6 ай бұрын

NI is the only part of the U.K. where you can hold a handgun for self defence. You do need to have evidence that you are at risk which the PSNI can verify or they will possibly contact you that you are under threat and offer you the opportunity to have a firearm.

@taffman1

3 ай бұрын

@@TheGiff7 Not quite, a very very few people in the mainland hold a PPW license, Personal Protection License, an old friend of mine had one, due to their former job in the military.

We had shotguns growing up, my parents both used to clay pigeon shoot. The rules and regulation are incredibly strict. The police would come round yearly to make sure they were locked away in a secure locker and you also have to keep ammunition in a separate area just in case someone does manage to break into the locker. Even in a secure and sporting setting I've seen accidents happen. The fact that anyone can get a gun in the US makes me feel physically sick.

Owning a gun for self defence isn't necessary over here as chances are the person attacking you doesn't have one either.

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

A knife within 21 feet is also a certain death fate, especially if you are not trained. Thus is why a gun you legally own and carry for defense is a more effective tool.

@DHW3008

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 you're more likely to die from a bullet that a knife. Also, you can run from somebody with a knife. Try outrunning a bullet. True freedom is not needing a gun.

@mortdewerewolfe691

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 ''He has a knife, I must have a gun''? Burglar ''He has a gun, I'd better have one n shoot first''. It's insane to think that way.

I wouldn’t bet against there being more gun deaths not reported per year in USA is more than the entire amount of gun deaths ever recorded in the UK

@jamesgornall5731

7 ай бұрын

Yes it would be, but other countries with much less restrictive gun laws have similar homicide rates as we

@charlesunderwood6334

7 ай бұрын

The rate of gun deaths (per million) in the US caused by the police is greater than the total caused by anyone in the UK

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

Well 1. Our gun deaths are going down. Despite record sales. 2. Most of our gun deaths are suicides. 3. Most of our actual gun homicides or violent deaths are gang related inner city crime. Since we have over 33,000 recognized gangs and over 1,000,000 members. While UK has like 5. And like 3000 or 4000 members.

@northfield3654

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 There are more school shootings than days of the year in the US and why exactly do you think that the US has more of a gang problem, perhaps its the easy access to firearms and high poverty/low education levels, the USA is a First World/Third World country and has been for some time.

@charlesunderwood6334

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Whilst deaths by violence in the US remain between 5 and 30 times that of other developed countries all of which also have gangs and other social problems, your arguments that guns reduce violence are demonstrably false. Once the rate in the US falls appreciably below other countries, than maybe you would be in a position to comment.

If you thought gun sales are heavily restricted by the uk, you should see how difficult it is for someone with an illegal gun to buy ammunition for that weapon. Criminals may have guns but they would never have enough ammunition to do anything bad. The restriction of ammunition also makes it impossible to commit school shootings for example, or long shoot outs with the police.

I don't see how a murder weapon is connected to self-defense. I took self-defense classes and not once were we ever taught to actually take a life.

A point that was glossed over in this video was that in Great Britain 'self defence' is NOT considered a legitimate reason to own a firearm, which is one of the reasons a lot of US citizens cite as to why they need a weapon. People often say that we may not have a gun problem, but we have a knife problem. This is true- but the US has considerably more knife crimes per head of population than the UK, in addition to their gun crime statistics!

@nolajoy7759

7 ай бұрын

No mass knifings though.

@jerry2357

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@nolajoy7759 You must be too young to remember nursery teacher Lisa Potts who defended the children she was looking after from a viscous and indiscriminate machete attack in Wolverhampton in 1996. She has a page on Wikipedia, if you want to know more.

@carolineskipper6976

7 ай бұрын

@@jerry2357 No I am not too young, and do remember that tragedy and her bravery well. As someone who worked with young children this felt very close to home. Of course I wasn't suggesting that we don't have a knife problem, just stating the fact that the US has worse statistics than us on this as well as fun crime.

😅Our gun ownership has always been restricted to some extent but in 1996 a gunman walked tnto a Primary School (7 to 11 years) and shot and killed one teacher and 16 children, before shooting himself. I believe that Andy Murray, the tennis player , was a pupil at the school but not involved with the shooting. After this massacre, our gun laws were toughened up a lot.

@paulmilner8452

7 ай бұрын

5 to 11

Here in Australia the gun laws are similar to the UK It disturbs me when so many YT videos about minor disagreements attract comments from Americans who threaten to shoot their way out of a situation when there's no suggestion the other party is armed.

The population of the UK is around 68 million, not 56 million.

@mattm8870

7 ай бұрын

Sounds like they using the figures for England and Wales.

Please take a look at a video about the dunblane massacre, I was 6 at the time and still remember how devastating it was. This is the reason our gun laws are as they are. I dread to think how many of these massacres would have happened in the uk had we not taken the steps we did, when we did.

@mastokbreedtbg1398

7 ай бұрын

I was Actively scrolling his msgs hoping I'd see this and not be the one to bring it up.

@paulharrison8152

7 ай бұрын

You know massacres can happen even when you don’t have guns. For example, the stabbings in the school in Ireland.

@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t

7 ай бұрын

Well, it;s not *the* reason. Restrictions on long guns came in after Hungerford.

@hannahjames3576

7 ай бұрын

Appreciate your point, but in the US there have been 559 mass shootings in 2023. No other country is even close, even when considering other weapons. Gun culture is the problem. My simplistic overview of the underlying issue in the uk is more around social and community services diminishing over the last 13 years of Tory government.

@iapetusmccool

7 ай бұрын

​@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15tit was both. Hungerford led to the ban on semiautomatics. Dunblane led to the ban on handguns.

The only reason you can own semi automatic fire arms would be sport, and you would really have to go through the ringer to get it…

Great video, loved the reaction - perhaps look at the Dunblane tragedy to understand why they changed the law here.

Long may it continue, we in the UK can't understand why gun ownership is so important to Americans, so many mass shootings, no one bats an eylid ............ senseless 🤨

@gabbymcclymont3563

7 ай бұрын

America hates children and shopping its why they are happy to keep letting kids being killed, i dont realy like kids but im not wanting a gun.

@apollohateshisdayjob9606

7 ай бұрын

So, gangs exist and criminals don't obey laws. Most mass shootings in the US are gang violence, we aren't an island like GB or Japan, and we clearly have next to no border security on the border with a country mostly run by cartels.. Murders happen in less than a minute, and police are several minutes to an hour away. Why are you so puzzled by Americans care about the right and ability to defend ourselves??

One of the owners of a business I worked for lived on and owned a farm out in the moors. He kept a shotgun, for dealing with rabbits and vermin. He used to ask me to sign his License renewal applications as a referee - as I was a qualified professional allegedly of good character and standing, or whatever. I saw from the forms that the renewal process (let alone the initial granting) was far from straightforward, with plenty of conditions!

Tyler forgot the most important test for Americans to own a gun - they have to be able to breathe. The home visit is usually to make sure you have the correct facilities to keep your guns out of the hands of anyone else. My friend had 5 shotguns in a locked metal cabinet that had been fitted to the wall. He wasn't allowed to keep the keys in an open place and if he wishes to purchase another gun he would have to lose one of his present stock or get another cabinet. The police will visit you occasionally to check you are keeping to the law. Ammunition is also locked away, well out of reach of sticky, little fingers.

In the UK it is pretty much illegal to carry anything in public with the idea it is for self defense. Carrying a firearm for the purpose of self defense could lead to 10 years in prison.

Surprising it is as many as 6.5 guns per 100 people. Thinking again most of that must be multiple ownership. I am 47 & have only seen one gun in my life-an old WW2 Bren Rifle when helping to clear out an elderly family friends house in the late 1980's. Don't think I have ever met anybody who actually owns a gun or goes target shooting.

@stuartbeck8111

7 ай бұрын

1 person multiple guns, my brother in law has 6 different shotguns and 4 different kind of rifles, which he has to constantly use to a certain amount in order to keep the licence for each as if they're not being used them he does not need them, as far as it was explained to me by him

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

There's 120 guns per 100 people. We have over 400,000,000 guns and 335,000,000 people. Yet our gun homicides this year are 18,000 (mostly gang related) and it's trending downward despite record sales. Guns used for bad purposes vs the guns in circulation is a percent of a percent of a percent. Like 0.0020% of our guns are used to kill.

@elemar5

7 ай бұрын

Bren rifle? Bren rifle was introduced in 2006. I think you mean a Bren LMG.(light machine gun)

@daveborder7751

7 ай бұрын

@@elemar5 Most likely-I know it was used in WW2. My knowledge of guns is pretty much zero. Just remember it looked like a rifle to me when I was 11/12 years old.

The two elements he missed out in the video is a license is required to buy ammunition and the license will specify the number, types and calibre of guns that can be owned. There is also a requirement to store ammunition in a separated locked container and it is an offence to have a loaded gun outside a designated firing area, e.g. a gun club, this restriction includes your own home.

From my pov people in the US seem to think they're still living in the 1600s in the wild west. I honestly can't understand how any government (and honestly how any citizen) can possibly think that it's normal to not only give everyone access to weapons that are only used by soldiers in war zones anywhere else, but to have practically 0 checks on whether that person may be dangerous and what they're likely to do with that weapon! It's just ridiculous. Having a gun you don't really understand how to use and store safely and have no real understanding what are the very real consequences of using it is irresponsible and dangerous. The "oh i just want one for self protection and hope I'll never have to use it" reason is ridiculous. You don't live in a war zone, and the odds of you being able to draw your gun on someone who is already attacking you with a gun before they kill you are extremely small. Indeed even if you're attacked with a knife you're not very likely to be able to protect yourself in time, and not be disarmed by the attacker and have your gun used against you. The only way you get to defend yourself is if you're drawing first, and that makes you the aggressor. Especially since someone who has a gun but doesn't regularly trains to use it is far less likely to have the necessary presence of mind to use it responsibly and calmly and not just kill someone in rage or panic. A gun is not a toy and just reacting without thinking while holding a gun can only cause problems and serious injuries. But everyone in the US is completely desensitized to that, gun violence is so rampant that most people can't even realize the consequences anymore until it's too late. It's not like after you've killed somebody you can fix it, or get over the trauma just like that! And incredibly not even the police is trained to use guns responsibly in the US. You often see officers react with extreme violence for things that can be easily resolved with diplomacy or common sense. They clearly have no training, they're just given a gun and i imagine whoever is in charge thinks the fact of having that gun automatically makes them calm in a crisis?!? Or more likely whoever is in charge doesn't think at all, not passed the "everyone has guns, so we must have them, and since everyone has them they don't require any training". Many people in the US treat guns the same way entitled children treat toys, i.e. "i have the right to have guns and do what i want with them, bring them wherever i like and threaten whoever i want, and if you try to take them away because I've proven over and over that I'm irresponsible with them I'm going to throw a tantrum the size of the empire state building and go set fire to the house (i.e. overthrow the government)". That seems extremely irresponsible and entitled. The very fact that even your kindergartners need to go through gun attack drills in school as if they live in a war zone and nobody bats an eye at that shows how irresponsible most people are. Almost everywhere else one school shooting is enough to have everyone asking for much harsher gun laws, and everyone agrees it's the right thing to do, including gun owners! In the US there are literally hundreds of school shootings each year, most done by teens who aren't considered responsible enough to drink a beer but are somehow allowed guns!??? You have 6 year olds bringing guns to school and threatening teachers and other kids and their parents don't even get a slap on the wrist for that?!? You have kids picking up parents guns and killing family members or themselves because they treated that gun as a toy, and yet there is no regulation on how to store guns safely and people are still allowed to put them wherever?! You supervise your kids more around cleaning products than guns?!? And people act as if it's absolutely normal to sacrifice hundreds of children every year so that anyone can buy an AK47 at Walmart with practically 0 checks and have it on the kitchen counter where their 6 year old can take it and shoot the neighbors kids because they fought over a toy! Zero respect for human life, zero understanding of the fact that any right is also a responsibility, and in fact zero understanding of the concept of responsibility itself! Any rational adult should be able to understand that if you're not capable of exercising your rights responsibly then they should be taken away. It's the basis of the justice system, and for god's sake it's even the basis of kids education, if you can't be responsible you lose your privileges! Yet any attempt to implement that when it comes to guns is met with a nation wide tantrum. When at a national level there are proofs every day that the population is not responsible enough to use guns and the current system is a killer, in the most real sense of the word. You act as if gun control would mean slavery! What are you afraid of, if you think you're so worthy of carrying that gun?! Surely if you're such a good responsible gun owner you'll have no problems proving that and see no reason not to ensure irresponsible people don't have access to guns so they can't give good responsible gun owners like you a bad name by killing random kids in school shootings or random people in supermarket shootings etc etc etc.

@mortdewerewolfe691

7 ай бұрын

Also, an armed burglar is probably going to be far more experienced and adept at use of force than someone who only knows how to shoot from eye level in broad daylight once a week. CQC with a gun is unpredictable even for experienced service personnel.

Fun fact in the uk it is not illegal to own antique firearms, so my 16 yr old cousin has an entire collection he purchased with his own money, including an antique Gatling gun

@jizzmonkey9679

7 ай бұрын

Sure a 16 year old has an antique gatling gun 😂, stop lying.

You cannot own a gun for self defence in the UK. You would go to jail for murder or attempted murder if you used it on someone.

@iapetusmccool

7 ай бұрын

Not if you were actually defending yourself against a reasonable threat to your life.

@stephengoldie8337

7 ай бұрын

@@iapetusmccool Define "reasonable threat"

@thundersos8087

7 ай бұрын

​​@@iapetusmccooli don't think it's reasonable threat, it's reasonable force with your response to the threat. Reasonable force would rarely include use of a gun I think - I'm sure that would be over the top. I guess it could do but can't think of a case where it's happened.

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

So if you defended yourself from a violent attackers you get charged. I'm so glad I live where a man can defend himself, which self-preservation is a natural right and law.

@StormhavenGaming

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 No. If you use excessive force to defend yourself you get charged. Since it is incredibly unlikely that your attackers will have guns, it is incredibly unlikely that using a gun against them could be considered a reasonable response. There is this new thing that you might want to check out. It's called nuance.

Here (UK) you have no legal right to use a weapon in self-defense. You're not allowed to keep pepper spray or tasers or similar defensive items, it's not legally acceptable to keep a potential melee weapon such as a baseball bat in a position where it can be grabbed in the case of an attack, and if someone gets hurt invading your property or attacking you you can be found liable if you did not do every possible step to escape peacefully. You can use reasonable force, but you need to prove that you took every opportunity to escape without causing harm to anyone or else you can get in serious trouble alongside your attacker. The law encourages you to retreat not fight. Whether or not that's better or worse than the US' "hostility at every turn" policies is a debate for higher people than me.

@PaddyInf

7 ай бұрын

The law states that you cannot carry any items specifically for self defence, but it does not preclude you using an available article as long as it falls within the boundaries of reasonable force. For example if you are attacked by a couple of people in your home and couldn't get away, and you pick up a hammer that's lying around and hit an attacker with it then you may be able to argue it was reasonable at the time as you were in genuine fear for your safety and had no other recourse. However, if you were carrying the hammer in the street and used it, then it would be harder to defend as it may be viewed as premeditation.

@mcsnaffle5443

6 ай бұрын

Here in the UK you have no right to self defence, if you are one of those unlucky statistics you should have been a black belt in martial arts and even then, if you are lucky enough to survive, you may go to prison if you hurt the assailant.

@PaddyInf

6 ай бұрын

@mcsnaffle5443 You absolutely have the inherent right to use force for self-defense, defence of another, protection of property, and the prevention of crime. You simply have to demonstrate that the actions you took were necessary and proportionate in the circumstances. This is clarified by Section 76 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill 2008. This even stipulates that the use of force can be disproportionate if householders are defending themselves, another person, or their property from burglers, as long as the force is not found to be grossly disproportionate. There is also no duty to retreat. However, the ability to get away is taken into consideration by the courts.

@georgebarnes8163

6 ай бұрын

Wrong, you can have a weapon for self defence in the UK, why do you think that the police issue PPW licences?

@PaddyInf

6 ай бұрын

@georgebarnes8163 PPW licenses are almost exclusively issued in Northern Ireland where there is a specific threat to life from terrorists. This is considered proportionate in the same way that police can carry for self defence in the Province. These are individual and specific cases based on risk assessment. There is no general right to carry a weapon in legislation.

It's not just you the police interview. When my husband renewed his licence they interviewed me, and did background checks on everyone in the household. They check how and where you store everything.

In Norway, just checked, self defence isn't even in the aplication papers. If you say that, you'll never get a permit. And we don't need guns for that. It just sounds stupid. :)

The reply about Switzerland - I'm aware of that situation (I have friends there and I have seen their firearm). It was designed as national defence, not civil defence against one another. World wide, firearms are essentially the necessity of a country's army. You can shoot from a distance without the target seeing you. That makes a firearm an OFFensive weapon, not a DEFensive weapon. And it's for that reason that access to firearms is tightly controlled, it's not because anyone wants to suppress your rights of self protection. There are lots of alternative ways of protecting yourself.

@StormhavenGaming

7 ай бұрын

It is my understanding that they are also issued a limited amount of ammunition and have to account for every shot, although that may be out of date by now.

@davedavids57

6 ай бұрын

@@StormhavenGaming Switzerland doesn't have ammo restrictions. Some US journalists got confused because you can't take government ammo home. But of course you can just go to a gun shop or mail order as much non government ammo as you want.

@davedavids57

6 ай бұрын

Many many guns in Switzerland aren't even registered (most pre WW2 swiss rifles for instance) let alone heavily restricted. I lived in Switzerland, why do people (especially US journalists) make up laws. You can literally just look them up. People seem to totally forget in Switzerland if you are a man who is a Swiss citizen you have to go in the army and they give you a rifle. But the 70% of the population who aren't men or Swiss citizens can still buy guns and ammo. More types of guns than you can in the States. With just a simple police background check paper (they don't have a database like the states).

I was a reference for a friends application last year. Had a 5 minute chat with an officer. Was very friendly and easy. He got turned down because the gun safe he got was too small for the gun he wanted. Once that was fixed the licence went through no problem.

@mortdewerewolfe691

7 ай бұрын

I've wondered if that's why Americans are so scared of licencing. They're not meant to view their police as friendly, approachable or co-operative.

There’s no way you’d be able to get a gun simply for self defence in the UK if you’re a member of the public

@robertstallard7836

7 ай бұрын

Not true. In Northen Ireland, self defence is, indeed, a valid reason for owning and carrying a handgun.

It’s sad to think people would need a gun for self defence. If guns weren’t so readily available, the need to own a gun for that reason would decrease, would it not?

Both of my grandfather's own guns, one is a farmer and only uses it to kill predators such as foxes and even that is rare it spends the majority of it's life in its locker

What kind of messed up country do you need a gun for self protection?

@Playingwith3D

7 ай бұрын

It is a Symbiotic relationship between media and the gun manufacturers in the US. The media sells fear porn harder than just about any other country in the world, that causes fear, fear causes people to go out and buy guns. More guns means more people get shot. The media conflates the issue for clickbait money, people get scared and buy more guns. That's my assessment from watching it as a neighbor for about 40 years now.

@nolajoy7759

7 ай бұрын

​@NorsemanPatriot then you need to work on improving the effectiveness and efficiency of your police force.

@timphillips9954

7 ай бұрын

@NorsemanPatriot I have lived in Wales for many years, beeen lucky enough to have travelled world wide and have lived in South East Asia for ten years. I can honestly say the only time I ever felt unsafe was during my time in New York. It felt like living in a third world developimg nation.

@MarkLikesCoffee860

7 ай бұрын

The kind of country where there are 153 school shootings per year. The kind of country where people carry a gun to do grocery shopping.

@ulsterinfidel9897

7 ай бұрын

My country Northern Ireland, UK😂 Aye we can own guns for personal protection and even conceal carry hanguns thanks to terrorism we have better gun laws than the rest of the UK pity we can't own semi autos over .22lr and have a 1000 round restriction per calibre other wise I will get me a nice SLR

how long does it take to get a gun? in america it depends how far the next gun store is away from you. in germany there is a process(getting license) that takes several month, sometimes more than a year.

@tacfoley4443

7 ай бұрын

From becoming a probationary member of a gun club - a process that usually lasts six months - a being able to APPLY for your FAC [firearms certificate] takes, you guessed it, around six months. However, having become a FULL member of the gun club is necessary to actually applying, as the club secretary is the first of the three referees required to vouch for your suitability and good character. Also required is a note from your doctor to state that you are not on any hallucinatory or incapacitating meds, and do not suffer from any medical reasons why you should not own a firearm. You will also have stated this on your application, BTW. You will also have attended a couple of mandatory courses in the club about firearms in general and safety and handling.

I'm from Plymouth which is one of the only places to see a mass shooting when a local man decided to kill 5 inncoent people in cluding a 3 year old girl and wounding 2 others before turning the gun on himself. He previosuly had his gun removed but managed to get it back (the people responsible for that must be haunted every day by their actions and have faced disiplinary measures). For weeks after every time there was a loud bang locals were visibly panicked - it's incredible how something like that affects a community mentally. I can't imagine living in a country where shootings are commonplace. It's terrifying. I'd would never want to own a gun or be around anyone who does. When the right to bare arms was written you all had muskets which took 5 minutes to load... that should be the only gun you're allowed to own. not semi automatic weapons given out like candy without background checks.

Recently I've seen an updated report that puts it at around 120 guns per 100 people in the US. I don't know how accurate the report is but I can well imagine it could be that high because my friend in the US is like a one man army. He's sent me pictures of his guns. Here in the whole UK you get less gun deaths per year than one US city can get in one weekend. Where my friend lives in Portland Oregon I think there's been over 300 gun homicides this last year alone. He had a couple of home invaders break in whilst he was in his apartment, they broke down his locked front door to get inside. (My friend always keeps his front door locked even when he's in). He shot one dead and held the other at gun point until the police arrived. He has often messaged me to say he's heard gunshots down the street etc. This is whilst I live in rural Lincolnshire and I leave my door unlocked and nothing will happen. If I go outside my front door most of the year all I can hear is birds in my garden hedge or the council people mowing the grass on the parkland opposite my house. Only yesterday when we had the TV off, my partner said "I know I like things quiet but this is ridiculous". Middle of the day and it was dead silent, you could have heard a pin drop. That's the stark difference between a densely populated US city and a sparsely populated rural area of the UK. Two friends who live in places that are polar opposites.

@almostyummymummy

7 ай бұрын

2017 - 120.5 guns per 100 population. The most recent I can find.

@RickZackExploreOffroad

7 ай бұрын

There is really no way to know. The estimates mostly rely on polling and the accuracy of the answers are questionable, for numerous reasons. Hard data is only available concerning firearm sales through licensed firearm retailers via the NICS system. The NICS stem was implemented in Nov, 1998. The best guess is 420+ million firearms in the possession of law abiding citizens. This breaks down to 1.27 firearms per citizen, or 1.62 guns per adult. Polls say that between 40-48% of households own a firearm. That number is probably under counted though since many people when asked will reply "no" regardless if they do have a firearm. I own about two dozen, with well over 10,000 rounds of ammunition and would never tell a random stranger on the phone that I own any. My response to such inquiries is usually a polite "none of your damn business".

@berniethekiwidragon4382

6 ай бұрын

​@RickZackExploreOffroad The only thing I know for certain is that there are more guns than there are people in the US. For a country where there isn't any national scale physical conflict occurring, this is beyond simply excessive.

@RickZackExploreOffroad

6 ай бұрын

@@berniethekiwidragon4382 There are an estimated 420 million firearms in private hands in the US. That breaks down to about 1.27 firearms per citizen, or 1.62 firearms per adult. That is not, by any stretch of the imagination "excessive". Someone who hunts will probably have at least 3 rifles and/or shotguns. In any given year the states issues about 40 million hunting licenses. Add another 10 million for people aren't required to buy a license and that is 150 million firearms right there. Firearms are tools, no different then a hammer or a saw. And like most tools people tend to own different types for different tasks. I own about 20 firearms, some for historical reasons, some for their uniqueness, some because I happen to have bought one that was later replaced by a better model. Do you through away your hammers when you buy another? The 1911 .45 ACP is a large handgun and therefore hard to conceal in light summer clothes. The Walther PPQ 9mm is easy to conceal in the summer.. The Glock 43X even more so, but being compact only has a 10 round capacity. The .357 Mag Ruger revolver is powerful enough to stop a bear, and if loaded with snake shot is handy for rattlers during snake season. The M1A, chambered in 7.62 NATO/.308 WIN is powerful enough to take down any game in North America but is overkill for smaller game. The AR pattern rifles are considered underpowered for larger game but are excellent for mountain lions, coyotes, wolves, and the smaller species of deer. The 1866 Winchester chambered in 44-40 WCF doesn't have a long range but is good at shorter ranges, and of course a hoot to shoot. The 1841 Hawkins Buffalo Gun, chambered in .50 caliber, has no practical purpose other then it's just cool. Though it is mostly designated as a wall hanger these days. You get mu point? 20 firearms is a modest collection and has really no relevance to anything. All it indicates is a interest in firearms and a love for the outdoors. That and a healthy dose of being prepared and independence.

@berniethekiwidragon4382

6 ай бұрын

@@RickZackExploreOffroad It comes down to matter of opinion. I live in the country that has 5-6 guns per 100 people. There is simply no comparing to the US. Whether you designate guns tools or weapons, at the end of the day, they are still deadly, much deadlier than the aforementioned hammer and saw. If you are to retain guns and ensure a high degree of safety, stringent restrictions are the only logical recourse, especially for a country who's cultural identity is tied so much closer to guns than pretty much any other country. Yemen is in a civil war, has the second highest private gun ownership per capita in the world, but even then the US private gun ownership per capital leaves theirs trailing far behind in the dust. You cannot imagine just how insane I consider the United States to be when it comes to guns, especially in light of an incessant torrent of gun-related crimes, injuries and death, and I am hardly alone to hold this opinion.

The only reason an American would feel they need a gun for self defence is because just about any other idiot they might encounter has the ability to buy a gun, and that's a threat to their safety! As a UK citizen, I can count on less than one hand the number of times I've thought I needed a gun for self defence.

"it took 10 mins to reload a gun" ... but it also took the military to do the same , the 2nd still applies as it takes them the same time to reload as a citizen can

@jizzmonkey9679

6 ай бұрын

Millitary have 1 or 2 more tanks and planes though, and their AR 15 platforms can generally empty a little faster if needed.

One key point to understand: in the UK even if you are allowed to own a gun it is still ILLEGAL to carry it in public or to keep it for home defence. It must be locked away separate from its ammo. If you were to shoot someone pleading self defence would get you absolutely nowhere.

@robertstallard7836

7 ай бұрын

Not really true. That only applies to some parts of the UK. In Northen ireland, for example, self defence is indeed a valid reason to own (and carry) a handgun.

@davedavids57

6 ай бұрын

No you can have a gun for self defence - you have to apply directly to the Home office - the licence is issue under section 5 of the 1968 firearms act. It's believed up to 1,000 people in England carry a concealed hand gun. Mainly politicians, ex police/military. There is even a form on the Home Office website. Although I suspect you may need good reason!!

I feel the need to say this - again. The second amendment does NOT give individuals the right to bear arms. That right is conferred upon a well-regulated militia. It is written in English and there are rules of grammar which apply. If Americans wish to have the individual right, that is their legitimate choice, but the way to get that is with another amendment...just like you did with Prohibition.

@danmayberry1185

7 ай бұрын

Yes, you're guaranteed access to firearms to join with the National Guard if some mental case overthrows the government.

Having a gun for "self defence" never made sense to me as an Aussie. It's a long-range _offensive_ weapon, and therefore not something to _defend_ yourself with. It's a deadly weapon that you can easily kill someone with - how is a deadly weapon necessary for DEFENCE? What are the cops even for in the US?

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

Cops even outside the US are an afterthought bud. 90% of the time they arrive after the mess is already done bro. 😂 They have zero legal obligation to protect you. Atleast here in the US.

@turquoisebubbles2042

7 ай бұрын

Exactly, it doesn’t make sense as a self defence …. It’s a weapon and I guess in the USA it’s who can kill first wins , so strange.

Sweden: About 100 h of theory and then shooting tests, where you have to accuratly determine how far 50 m away is, and hit a paperboard moose at the correct spot etc. It's very similar to getting a drivers license. But then you have to get a license for each gun, and you need a safety locker for them, and there's a limit on how many guns you may own.

While we might be allowed a muzzle loading pistol or musket without a licence, you would need a black powder licence if you want to be able to use it.

@oldman4353

7 ай бұрын

That is so that re-enactment societies such as the English Civil War Society and the Sealed Knot can continue to operate.

@tacfoley4443

7 ай бұрын

You also need a Section 2 [Shotgun] Certificate for a smoothbore musket, but ANY handgun or rifled firearm replica needs a Section 1 FAC, just like a cartridge-firing firearm.

Tyler: Amendments can be amended. I also don't understand why fully automatic weapons are allowed in USA. Who whether they are living in a city or in a rural setting needs the likes of an Uzi or an Armalite rifle unless it's for nefarious purposes

@tacfoley4443

7 ай бұрын

In the USA it's for fun, and it is VERY expensive, too!

Americans are playing a game in game theory called the prisoner's dilemma with regards to gun ownership. The simplest form of the game is this: There are two people on trial. Each is offered the opportunity to walk free if they rat out the other, and the other will go to prison for a long time. If neither rats out the other, both get a reduced sentence due to lack of evidence. If both rat out each other, both go to prison for a long time. In the United States: Civilians and criminals are given the right to buy a gun. If the civilians have guns and the criminals don't, the civilians gain and the criminals suffer. If criminals have guns and civilians don't, the civilians suffer and the criminals gain. If neither have guns, everyone is on equal footing. If both have guns, everyone suffers. In both cases, the suboptimal is reached. Both prisoners will rat out the other as they think the other will take the same opportunity and its their only "chance" for security - but ironically, security is not accomplished for either because the combination of both is not optimal. It can be argued to be the least optimal in the case of guns as organised crime will have guns, sure, but they also dont want attention from the law so they tend to stick to infighting between different organisations, and they dont want attention drawn to the places they operate in from petty criminals (this is how the Yakuza has operated in Japan - they crack down on petty crime). By giving everyone guns, petty criminals are much more likely to commit crimes with them instead of just the organised criminals. A former landlord of mine used to be neck deep in the organised crime scene in Australia. He never gave many details but I was able to piece together the sort of stuff he was involved in when he said he needed to travel to Sydney to testify - he was providing evidence in a major criminal investigation for an event that happened decades ago, and it was in the news that these trials were happening so I knew what it was for. From everything he said to me though, he basically said that people wanted to avoid heat from the law when it came to gang rivalries so they would usually keep it between gangs and the enforcers didn't like small-time criminals bringing attention to their areas.

I’m in a fairly rural area, and I see someone who lives on the corner of my street carrying his shotgun a couple of times a year. I also know someone who does re-enactments and has a couple of muskets and even has a licence to make his own gunpowder.

You can buy tanks in the UK too. They're usually totally road legal. And an old tank doesn't cost much more than a new car.

@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t

7 ай бұрын

Well, many of them aren't *totally* road legal; a Chieftain isn't fast enough for motorway driving (though a Scorpion or Scimitar would be).

@darrenhemingway7121

7 ай бұрын

Given that many UK tanks are smooth bore, you only need a shotgun licence for the main gun to be fully operational.

I remember back in 1993 was on my way to new york for short break. Arrived at Heathrow Airport saw for first time police with semi automatic guns. Scared the life out of me. At the age of 36 had never seen a gun before in real life. Presumably in USA this is an everyday sight. Mind boggles 😢

@goldencherry9033

7 ай бұрын

I had the same experience in Manchester in the week after the bombing. So scary. Had never seen anything like that outside of films!

@31Blaize

7 ай бұрын

I remember the first time I went to America and whilst having a coffee saw a police officer come in and casually dump his gun on the table. Gave away that I was a tourist right there and then because my eyes must've been as big as saucers 🤣

@stephenlee5929

7 ай бұрын

I remember in the late 1960's arriving at Munich Airport, seeing police wandering around the departure lounge with semi automatic riffles slung at their side. As we were going to our bus, we looked up and there appeared to be gun impalements on the roof

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

Proves you live in a UK bubble. Like 90% of the world's police force carry guns for regular duty. I think only 19 countries out of 195 do not carry for their regular police force.

@elemar5

7 ай бұрын

Guns stabbed on the roof? @@stephenlee5929

I've read in the UK if you have done a crime and if you have received a custodial sentence (including a suspended sentence) of between 3 months and 3 years then you are prohibited for a period of 5 years from the date you are released. If you have received a custodial sentence of 3 years or more then you are prohibited for life, from the date of release.

With our gun laws, we have had hiccups where the police haven't checked properly and let dangerous people still own weapons. The Hungerford Massacre in 1987, The Dunblane School Shooting in 1996, Cumbria's Massacre in 2010 and only recently Plymouth in 2021. We have had mass shootings, it's just rare and we put even stricter gun laws in place to try and prevent it happening again

I feel infinitely safer knowing my crazy neighbours very likely don’t have one and I can go outside and be incredibly unlikely to be shot.

In Canada, our licensing procedure is very similar to the UK. We do have much more hunting and dangerous wildlife here. Safety training is required. Handguns are allowed with a more strict permit. Unfortunately, most of our handgun crimes are committed using illegal guns smuggled in from the USA. Our government is trying to ban more guns here INSTEAD of putting the money towards stopping the illegal gun smuggling that is huge here!

@jazzylyn5857

6 ай бұрын

Trudope won't be happy until all guns have been removed. Then the public are much easier to control. Although the fact that Canadians still have Trudope as a PM is more lethal to the public safety than any gun.

@laurieleannie

6 ай бұрын

@@jazzylyn5857 unfortunately for us, all true 😢

@jazzylyn5857

6 ай бұрын

@@laurieleannie He is horrific, under the persona of being good. We're the same, this seemingly lovely fellow as our PM, Rishi, when really he's as corrupt as them all, and just another useful idiot WEF puppet. We have an election this year - yay - but there is no one to vote for in his place as they are all shite - boo. We deserve better than all these western politicians who don't care about the people, and are as bent as a ten bob note.

The fact you can buy an automatic weapon in the equivalent of a fucking Tesco, at the age of like 16, is an absolute joke of 'gun control'

I beleive most gun owners mis qoute the constitution 2nd amendment. I was told it read "as part of a well organised militia". So it didn't grant private ownership, guns would be stored in the militias armoury. Gun owners also always say "it's in the constitution, so it cannot be changed" forgeting that it is an amendment and what the word amendment means. They also say it is safer in America because they have guns. I watched a documentary comparing UK / US. It said that if the US had the same gun laws as the UK, there would be around 350 gun deaths in US (accounting for population difference). The real figure was in the thousands, I think it was between 10,000 and 20,000. They also say that we are brain washed by our government. Of course the NRA has no influence on their thinking do they ! The NRA represents a multi billion dollar industry. An interesting conclusion of that documentary was that some other countries have nearly as many guns per head but don't go around killing each other (deaths similar to UK). So the US has easy access to guns, ammo and PARANOIA.

The problem with having a firearm as a means of protection is that it makes it a lot more likely you will need to protect yourself. And you are more likely to lose the battle than win.

@S1D3W1ND3R015

7 ай бұрын

This makes zero sense. How is having an equal force to the opposing offender who's trying to kill you make you more likely to lose. It gives you a fighting chance. If this is the logic you guys have I'm speechless.

@PythonPlusPlus

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 Because by allowing people to have guns for protection, you make it a lot easier for people to own guns. And by doing so, you make it a lot more likely that someone will abuse this to attack you. Essentially by removing access to guns you removed the threat to your life and no longer need the protection.

@mortdewerewolfe691

7 ай бұрын

@@S1D3W1ND3R015 If you are burgled but your burglar thinks you have a gun, he''ll get a gun. If you have a gun and you're burgled, you'll almost certainly use it. Either way one of you dies. There's a kind of... understanding in the UK that professional criminals (& most burglars are recidivists who do it for money) won't arm themselves ( Burglary can get you 14 years, whereas if u carry a weapon in the pursuance of theft.. that's LIFE. Not worth the risk. ) because in most cases they won't face resistance. BTW 33% of all burglaries here are in unsecured buildings so they're unlikely to expect armed resistance.

@kennyalbert3692

10 күн бұрын

I've owned guns for 45 years and have never needed one for self protection,I must be a unicorn,lol

America has a lot in common with Afghanistan, Iraq etc.

@danmayberry1185

7 ай бұрын

Welcome to Howdy Arabia.

@StormhavenGaming

7 ай бұрын

@@danmayberry1185 Bravo.

A shop in my city was robbed with a crossbow once.