American Psycho, Baudrillard and the Postmodern Condition

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I had to do a voice-over in the video when I said "Simulacra and Simulation" and it sounds strange and out-of-place, but actually fits with the theme because it highlights the unreality of what you're watching.
Also I goddamn said that Bateman records a voice message on Allen's phone, when it was clearly a tape recorder. I bet people will point that out in the comments.
Recommended introductory reading on Baudrillard:
"Jean Baudrillard" by Douglas Kellner in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy - plato.stanford.edu/entries/ba...
"Jean Baudrillard: From Marxism to Postmodernism and Beyond" by Douglas Kellner - pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/...
I quoted Baudrillard from
"The System of Objects" page 15 - monoskop.org/images/2/28/Baud...
"America" pages 32-33 in the pdf - monoskop.org/images/a/ac/Baud...

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  • @i.l.l.l.l.
    @i.l.l.l.l.4 жыл бұрын

    Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's post-modern philosophical film analysis

  • @itkojecockot

    @itkojecockot

    4 жыл бұрын

    he hasn't come back from London yet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @ErkaaJ

    @ErkaaJ

    4 жыл бұрын

    The subtle astute Marxist remark on character development. Oh my god. He even has a Hegelian footnote.

  • @Mark-lp9ke

    @Mark-lp9ke

    4 жыл бұрын

    This made my day 😂

  • @daniellos333

    @daniellos333

    4 жыл бұрын

    Laughed out loud

  • @jennifertym7966

    @jennifertym7966

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@itkojecockot I thought he was returning some videotapes

  • @icosahedron3408
    @icosahedron340811 ай бұрын

    One of the best things in the book that doesn't really translate into the movie is how every single time a character appears, Patrick goes through an exhaustive list of every single clothing item they're wearing and what brand it's from. Beyond these clothings lists, there's almost nothing in the book about how any of the characters actually look.

  • @me_lero
    @me_lero4 жыл бұрын

    No annoying sounds, no music, no ads. I love the peaceful side of KZread.

  • @korwi7373

    @korwi7373

    Жыл бұрын

    eigenchris vibes

  • @camvick407

    @camvick407

    Жыл бұрын

    I've had youtube red for years. I forgot ads were on till a friend showed me on his phone. If you live in youtube i recommend.

  • @camimahieu

    @camimahieu

    Жыл бұрын

    ... ads are on

  • @john-paulhunt3017

    @john-paulhunt3017

    Жыл бұрын

    walks on alone as the exposing of people's real sides is why i do not lose any sleep in ditching people from my life.

  • @RealMephres

    @RealMephres

    Жыл бұрын

    @@camimahieu Not enabled by Jonas Ceika.

  • @Mika-ko6gp
    @Mika-ko6gp3 жыл бұрын

    I like how the subtitles keep finding creative and unique ways of spelling Baudrillard.

  • @plato8427

    @plato8427

    11 ай бұрын

    Baudry Ah

  • @hitchman84
    @hitchman845 жыл бұрын

    So, let's see: Christian Bale uses Tom Cruise as inspiration for his performance as Patrick Bateman. Patrick Bateman has an elevator encounter with Tom Cruise in the novel. In the novel Bateman is at one point called Patrick "Batman." Christian Bale plays Batman in Batman Begins where he bangs Catie Holmes, one of Cruise's ex-wives. Another of Cruise's ex-wives, Nicole Kidman, is banged by Batman in Batman Forever. What does it MEAN...

  • @CybermanKing

    @CybermanKing

    5 жыл бұрын

    Objects: 1. Subject: Error not found

  • @1OSfan17

    @1OSfan17

    5 жыл бұрын

    Christian bale is a character actor. If he based his character of Tom cruise. That dude was living as Tom cruise, for God's sake he starved himself because of a typo in a script. Great performance nonetheless.

  • @michaelprawira2741

    @michaelprawira2741

    5 жыл бұрын

    sharp analysis lol

  • @socdemigod

    @socdemigod

    5 жыл бұрын

    These are the kind of layered "coincidences" you can find if you watch most of David Lynch's catalog...

  • @DoveAlexa

    @DoveAlexa

    5 жыл бұрын

    It means drink less coffee after midnight :P

  • @jayk3548
    @jayk35484 жыл бұрын

    Saw this video at a Baudrillard museum exhibit in Shanghai! Congrats

  • @doodoobrn

    @doodoobrn

    3 жыл бұрын

    Surprised react

  • @loveulez

    @loveulez

    3 жыл бұрын

    lol wtf China

  • @loveulez

    @loveulez

    3 жыл бұрын

    The whole fucking country is a Baudrillard exhibit you don't need a museum.

  • @andremeIIo

    @andremeIIo

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@loveulez it's the very irony of the situation that transcends reality and elevates its very existence into the hyperreal. I say that the fact that the museum is not needed that makes it necessary, for its emptiness echoes the greater emptiness of actual meaning.

  • @TheButterMinecart1

    @TheButterMinecart1

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@loveulez Aren't you talking about the United States?

  • @-Cinderman
    @-Cinderman3 жыл бұрын

    Christian Bale's observation of Tom Cruise gave me chills. "An INTENSE friendliness with nothing behind the eyes." THOSE are the fucking psychos for SURE!

  • @johnthreesixteen5643

    @johnthreesixteen5643

    2 жыл бұрын

    Go watch that interview...tom cruise admits getting whole of the oxygen of a guy next to him so that he coule have more himself so the guy fell asleep....and he was laughing...that is dangerous

  • @angelofdeath275

    @angelofdeath275

    2 жыл бұрын

    that explains CEO as well....literally nothing behind the eyes

  • @FlackooPretty

    @FlackooPretty

    2 жыл бұрын

    When did he say this?

  • @handler_music

    @handler_music

    11 ай бұрын

    Sometimes you just don't want to connect

  • @marcpadilla1094

    @marcpadilla1094

    11 ай бұрын

    Just a performance. What about Letterman. Both authentic performers. Or maybe thats just our newly enlightened disposition. Our self organizing ( simulations) to adapt to simulations. Object to object. Inauthentically what Satre calls bad faith. Object to object wise. Structurelism. Is this why narratives and trends are so desirable. Subjective necromancing.

  • @UedoJP
    @UedoJP5 жыл бұрын

    My favorite part is the fact that no one even notices that "acquisitions" is spelled wrong on the business cards- it's not important.

  • @ethanstump

    @ethanstump

    4 жыл бұрын

    Really they don't care what everyone's doing, they don't even care about anything, not even themselves. This movie is specifically about loss of meaning, even the things that Should be meaningful. even Bateman slaughtering people, means nothing. that nothing is real to them. even when Bateman tries to be meaningful by rebeling, by killing, and confessing to his lawyer, he is helpless, stuck in a reality that won't even give him the decency of a shared reality. Because they don't share the same reality. It's all lies spun not only by him, but his lawyer, his coworkers, and all around him. as much as this story is about loss of individual identity, it is also about the loss of collective identity as well. That when everyone is the same, we are no longer collective, because a collective denotes many. When we become rigidly the same, we no longer lose individual identity, but a collective as well.

  • @dasein9980

    @dasein9980

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ethanstump I think what you're saying in the last bit there is that a society or collective needs to have diversity or uniqueness of persons.

  • @ethanstump

    @ethanstump

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dasein9980my intention of that part was talking about how overly enforcing orthodoxy usually kills any sort of idea of change, which usually leads to the movements stagnation, and then leads to either a spin off group, or a disbandment. more a diversity of opinions really. but yeah, diversity of persons is just as important.

  • @dmay3391

    @dmay3391

    3 жыл бұрын

    "t's not important." *Yet, you notices something important to you. A value of subjectivity.*

  • @khyrianstorms

    @khyrianstorms

    2 жыл бұрын

    Or that they're both Vice President and don't have their own number.

  • @1992AJL
    @1992AJL5 жыл бұрын

    I find it interesting how often filmmakers/authors use modern and postmodern design objects to signify psychopaths or villains. You know a bad guy usually by his impeccable taste for designer furniture. Flemming even named Goldfinger after the modernist architect of the same name.

  • @dmay3391

    @dmay3391

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good point, Terminator loved a good bidet. Joker really had a spreed for supper on that love couch that looked like a taxi. Some people think Sauron and Thanos had impeccable taste I'm sure.

  • @mattrichter7502

    @mattrichter7502

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dmay3391 Sauron really went against the grain of contemporary design philosophy in middle earth; he took the concept of idealized marble medieval architecture and turned it on his head, creating a vast, open landscape of volcanic ash, and giant structures that resembled the harsh environment while blending in with them. I think he used the architecture as a metaphor for the oppressed people he represented, the desolate reservation the orcs are relegated to because of the color of their skin. He was really misunderstood in his time.

  • @TrailBlazer5280

    @TrailBlazer5280

    Жыл бұрын

    As a villain they are perfectly in tune with the system that controls us, in charge, dominating it and their victims

  • @BillOrrickMusic

    @BillOrrickMusic

    Жыл бұрын

    like Humbert Humbert's "fancy prose style"

  • @afrofantom6631

    @afrofantom6631

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BillOrrickMusic excellent observation, you just blew my mind lol

  • @xenophon8958
    @xenophon89583 жыл бұрын

    im leaving, ive assessed the situation and uh, im going.

  • @freddybeer

    @freddybeer

    3 жыл бұрын

    Gotta return some video tapes, eh?

  • @mjolninja9358

    @mjolninja9358

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@freddybeer yes *Video Tapes*

  • @justinlevy274

    @justinlevy274

    3 жыл бұрын

    You're not terribly important to me

  • @mikebaker33
    @mikebaker335 жыл бұрын

    For those who are interested. Baudrillard was a pupil of Henri Lefebvre and was heavily inspired by his teacher. Most important work by Lefebvre was "Critique of Everyday Life" (1947) which btw also inspired the Situationists.

  • @batlash1

    @batlash1

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. Both Lefebvre and the Situationists remained more directly political which is a plus.

  • @thextopher
    @thextopher5 жыл бұрын

    The analysis of the meaning of Reagan with regards to the Actor/President dichotomy is particularly interesting with regards to Trump as President/Reality TV Star. The move from Actor to Actor acting as President to Actor, acting as Real Person, acting as President has some implications which should be analysed. Also the similarities/differences between MacLuhan's analysis of the Kennedy/Nixon debates with regards to Radio versus Television reception and the similarities/differences between Obama and Trump's use of social media. Also the differences between Obama and McCain versus Clinton and Trump. Obama had a slick, designed media campaign which presented itself as 'real' to a populace who received it as such. McCain's capaign moved along traditional axes, and suffered as a result of not being engaging. Clinton's campaign developed and extrapolated Obama's but was not so warmly received by a public who were able to identify the simulacra. Whilst Trump's campaign was not so reliant on reality, embraced a 'post-truth' society and is a pretty fitting of what Baudrillard might today call Hyperreality.

  • @dasein9980

    @dasein9980

    5 жыл бұрын

    I think you are overstating the importance of social media, especially with regard to Obama v. McCain, it wasnt that important.

  • @dasein9980

    @dasein9980

    5 жыл бұрын

    Trump represents the perfect culmination of the idea of Amerixa.

  • @verapamil07

    @verapamil07

    4 жыл бұрын

    Trump is the realest president in the last 50 years. He uses tricks that all other presidents used of course. However, his behaviour is aligned with his actions and he was extremely rich prior to joining politics so one reason less to act fake. Trump is not only a "reality TV star", it is dishonest to present him in that way. I think many postmodern philosophers invent fake language and unscientific theories that can't be refuted, similar to popular psychology.

  • @liveecarbme

    @liveecarbme

    4 жыл бұрын

    Reminds me of the line from Fight Club: Everything is a copy of a copy of a copy.

  • @JohnnyArtPavlou

    @JohnnyArtPavlou

    4 жыл бұрын

    Plus the Dems sandbagged Bernie.

  • @JM-zt8vq
    @JM-zt8vq5 жыл бұрын

    Hyperreality is taken to the extreme today. Where technology is our true reality and our lives are support structures there to facilitate our cyber lifestyle.

  • @MrMikkyn

    @MrMikkyn

    5 жыл бұрын

    Joseph Mikolash Nietzsche warned of the Hyperreality in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. “The Last Man” was what Nietzsche predicted about about Man’s Decline. From the Academy of Ideas: The Last Man is the individual who specializes not in creation, but in consumption. In the midst of satiating base pleasures, he claims to have “discovered happiness” by virtue of the fact that he lives in the most technologically advanced and materially luxurious era in human history. But this self-infatuation of the Last Man conceals an underlying resentment, and desire for revenge. On some level, the Last Man knows that despite his pleasures and comforts, he is empty and miserable. With no aspiration and no meaningful goals to pursue, he has nothing he can use to justify the pain and struggle needed to overcome himself and transform himself into something better. He is stagnant in his nest of comfort, and miserable because of it. This misery does not render him inactive, but on the contrary, it compels him to seek victims in the world. He cannot bear to see those who are flourishing and embodying higher values, and so he innocuously supports the complete de-individualization of every person in the name of equality. The Last Man’s utopia is one in which total equality is maintained not from without, by an oppressive ruling class, but from within, through the “evil-eye” of envy and ridicule. “No herdsman and one herd. Everyone wants the same thing, everyone is the same: whoever thinks otherwise goes voluntarily into the madhouse.” (Thus Spake Zarathustra)

  • @orcgazmatron

    @orcgazmatron

    5 жыл бұрын

    *NO* ! ! ! ! It's NOT! ! ! ! That's why everyone has gone bibbeldy these days, faces glued to little glowing devices... Turn the shit off & go out & live, for cryin' out loud!

  • @LancesArmorStriking

    @LancesArmorStriking

    4 жыл бұрын

    While that's statistically true in some sense, the declaration itself is imprecise both in scale and context. Is that an admission of what's happening right now, or a statement of what ought to be? How many people are actually doing it? What does 'cyber lifestyle' mean? What activities does it distinguish itself with, from 'real' life?

  • @shorx9199

    @shorx9199

    3 жыл бұрын

    Bruh i like this interpretation

  • @suedoriasue3400

    @suedoriasue3400

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Stale Bagelz Existential crisis maybe?

  • @Onlyhas99
    @Onlyhas995 жыл бұрын

    I think I need to buy some Ikea stuff. Apparently my house is a mixture of fascism and patriarchy

  • @Erika-gn1tv

    @Erika-gn1tv

    5 жыл бұрын

    All power to IKEA, our liberator.

  • @Muykle

    @Muykle

    5 жыл бұрын

    Make your own furniture then. Sieze the means of your own house.

  • @lupo-femme

    @lupo-femme

    5 жыл бұрын

    You have nothing to loose but your chairs.

  • @Torus2112

    @Torus2112

    5 жыл бұрын

    But the collapse of my house is inevitable due to inherent flaws in the structure.

  • @Catmomila

    @Catmomila

    5 жыл бұрын

    +Torus2112 The contradiction of gravity pulling my house down by its own weight and the walls keeping it from falling means that its destruction is inevitable!

  • @ConstantThrowing
    @ConstantThrowing5 жыл бұрын

    This was awesome.

  • @vallraffs
    @vallraffs5 жыл бұрын

    The book was pretty hard to read for me. The descriptions of 80s products and fashionware just go on and on, it's maddening.

  • @_hyzer

    @_hyzer

    5 жыл бұрын

    that's exactly what ellis wanted you to feel. his madness.

  • @JM-zt8vq

    @JM-zt8vq

    5 жыл бұрын

    That's what good art does. He uses the descriptions to overwhelm you with the meaningless of it. To create that feeling of boredom and frustration that he sees in the culture around him.

  • @jorgepeterbarton

    @jorgepeterbarton

    5 жыл бұрын

    I like the use of Phil Collins as this guy's music taste.

  • @lupo-femme

    @lupo-femme

    5 жыл бұрын

    You think Ellis is too obsessive? Wait until you read Madame Bovary or In Search Of Lost Time. Sometimes I believe Ellis is exposing the dark side of the whole phenomenological obsessiveness present in both Proust and Flaubert's works.

  • @jorgepeterbarton

    @jorgepeterbarton

    5 жыл бұрын

    I.N.F. L.X. True... But i didnt see much connection, its still not so meta. Reminds me more of the 60s Realist Experimentalists

  • @Derlaid
    @Derlaid5 жыл бұрын

    Has anyone pointed out the similarities between the commodity listing in American Psycho and Ready Player One? Because now I notice it, it's pretty uncanny. The personality-less main character and banal existence in a world full of meaningless, disposable consumer objects. The comment on hyperreality, the lack of distinction between the Real and the Virtual...there's a lot there to examine I think!

  • @bernardeugenio

    @bernardeugenio

    5 жыл бұрын

    Derlaid i was thinking more about our current media. films are rarely stories about people, they are mythologies, commercials, extremelly self referencial, click bait. even many romantic comedies are rarely about Real romantic stories, the characters are archtypes, even presenting ones that only exist in romantic comedies. many times events are more about our expectation than the event itself.

  • @bernardeugenio

    @bernardeugenio

    5 жыл бұрын

    in the case of RP1, what i read is the book is not a comment on this situation, but rather the condition itself. this becomes clear, from what i read second handly, in the author's second book where gamers save the world again with all the nostalgia involved and again with carachters being merely archtypes.

  • @Derlaid

    @Derlaid

    5 жыл бұрын

    oh absolutely, the book isn't self-aware of its spectacle, but I see the parallels between the two books nonetheless.

  • @bernardeugenio

    @bernardeugenio

    5 жыл бұрын

    maybe instead of "archetypes" a better word would be "signs"

  • @bernardeugenio

    @bernardeugenio

    5 жыл бұрын

    Derlaid an important feature of RP0 is that the characters fight for the Virtual world instead of the Real world. one of the main criticisms of the film, from what i have read.

  • @AstroLizard
    @AstroLizard5 жыл бұрын

    You made me want to watch the movie again. You're doing a great job explaining somewhat complicated philosophical ideas.

  • @mountaingoat3486
    @mountaingoat34864 жыл бұрын

    The ad before this video was for a Barbie cake decorator.

  • @dmay3391

    @dmay3391

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ad's are catered to the search results for any particular user. You saying your browsing history is the same as people that buy Barbie cake decorators.

  • @mountaingoat3486

    @mountaingoat3486

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dmay3391 I think you missed the joke buddy.

  • @pejsacek
    @pejsacek Жыл бұрын

    Oh wow thanks to you Ive read both American Psycho (in 14 days) and like half of Simulacra (in 1 month), both of them absolutely unbearable and brilliant. I gotta say Im just so glad to have found your channel - you are like the one friend whom Ive always wanted to have, the one who "gets" it and has good books to recommend. Keep on going.

  • @horrorhabit8421
    @horrorhabit84212 жыл бұрын

    I love Bret Easton Ellis's book. It's almost unbearable at times, but that just adds to the horror.

  • @jimmy-two-times
    @jimmy-two-times5 жыл бұрын

    I have to return some videotapes

  • @liamdhardy

    @liamdhardy

    4 жыл бұрын

    I love it when people say this in the comments, it's so funny and original.

  • @tahsina.c

    @tahsina.c

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@liamdhardy Liam, you're not terribly important to me

  • @vahdettinsefali

    @vahdettinsefali

    3 жыл бұрын

    some videotapes

  • @rosehipp

    @rosehipp

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@vahdettinsefali underrated two times joke

  • @HiAdrian
    @HiAdrian5 жыл бұрын

    9:45 I'm so glad this is being recognized. I've seen Cruise be like this in films too; it was so pronounced in some scenes that I'm surprised they made it to the screen that way. I find it quite unsettling, especially in real life encounters.

  • @wt_neptune54

    @wt_neptune54

    5 жыл бұрын

    This seems to be a pretty universal reaction to Tom Cruise lol I was just surprised Bale would say something on the matter.

  • @totesmygoats-bq8mk

    @totesmygoats-bq8mk

    4 жыл бұрын

    He's a Scientologist what do you expect

  • @DrumWild
    @DrumWild5 жыл бұрын

    The most difficult part of reading "American Psycho" was the chapter when he runs through all of these brand names. I'd not heard of most of them before. It reminded me of the first time that I read "Finnegans Wake." As a person who has Asperger's, I have consistently found it difficult to fit in, especially in the workplace. The more I think about it, the more I have concluded that maybe copying the behaviors of Patrick Bateman might be a good idea. That's not to say that killing is something to do. Rather, it might be best to play along with the charade. Go along with the illusion. Give the delusional whose identity is confined to the corporate organizational chart positions what they want: A mirror. People like this need constant validation. This is why they do not like people who have gaps in employment during interviews. It shows that the interviewee does not play the game, which does not validate their playing of the game. The very existence of a person like me, with these gaps, threatens their delicate illusion. It drives their fear to the point that they will say horrible things, such as, *_"Ah, I see that you have a few years of not working. What did you do during that time? Kick back, relax and take it easy?"_* That is the verbal embodiment of their internal fear, which is all that they truly have inside. Is it possible to compartmentalize it all, so that I could keep my internal self, which is substantial only to me, in a safe place, while allowing an external shell of hollow platitudes in place? The advice of "just be yourself" has turned out to be THE absolute worst idea ever. Tell someone at work about your hobbies, interests, or personal life, and you're effectively giving them ammunition to use against you whenever they wish. It's a dirty game. My options are to either play it or starve to death.

  • @dasein9980

    @dasein9980

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, we are at the whims of narcissistic neurotypicals who run the system.

  • @areez22

    @areez22

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@dasein9980 Was this an attempt to be anti-current-economic system?

  • @areez22

    @areez22

    5 жыл бұрын

    DrumWild, yes.

  • @Xorreau

    @Xorreau

    5 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly what I feel Andrew Yang is trying to address (with the risk of sounding like a bot).

  • @briangoodman1779

    @briangoodman1779

    4 жыл бұрын

    Almost all interactions require you to 'play it'. It's probably only when you're alone can you 'be yourself'.

  • @m_alcoves
    @m_alcoves Жыл бұрын

    This video is certainly one of my favorites in this channel! I always thought of the objects in American Psycho but never focused on them in that specific approach, in which allows to show us how determining these objects actually are.

  • @Sam_on_YouTube
    @Sam_on_YouTube4 жыл бұрын

    I wrote about this film in my Freshman Existentialism writing seminar. It was probably one of the first ever existentialist discussions of the film (though I'm sure there was already plenty about the book). It wasn't anything special, but the film was still in theaters when I wrote it, so it was very early.

  • @user-qb3jg8ep9t
    @user-qb3jg8ep9t5 жыл бұрын

    The name of the channel is a bit misleading, you risk getting mixed up with the brainlet sceptic peanut gallery, Red Pill Philosophy and the like. Keep up the the good work, I subscribed

  • @calebcostigan2561

    @calebcostigan2561

    3 жыл бұрын

    Because being a communist is so much better.

  • @nonokraan6567

    @nonokraan6567

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@calebcostigan2561 Glad you agree!

  • @Ammoniumbicarbonat

    @Ammoniumbicarbonat

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nonokraan6567 Just waiting to see a successful example of that...

  • @internationalhouseofpancak8333
    @internationalhouseofpancak83334 жыл бұрын

    Simulacra and Simulation? This is the exact book that Neo stores his small CD's of spyware in the movie Matrix

  • @jacobjorgenson9285

    @jacobjorgenson9285

    3 жыл бұрын

    His book was empty....

  • @freddybeer

    @freddybeer

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also the same book Keanu was required to read before he took on the role.

  • @sanghelian

    @sanghelian

    3 жыл бұрын

    Didnt baudrillard denounce matrix for that? Misrepresentation of his book?

  • @MrZeyami
    @MrZeyami5 жыл бұрын

    Been in my recommended for weeks and I'm glad I finally gave it a shot. You do a really good job with the given material. I usually brush off channels like this one b/c I feel they don't handle their source material well.

  • @jeremyc4664
    @jeremyc46645 жыл бұрын

    If you liked American Psych you should read Don DeLillo’s debut novel Americana. Published 20 years earlier it’s way ahead of its time. He writes about a character, that fits perfectly into the Reagan era yuppie mould, slowly losing any sense of personality deeper than surface appearance. A prophetic work on hypermediation and the centrality of sign-value in postmodern culture.

  • @ImtheHitcher
    @ImtheHitcher3 жыл бұрын

    How has this only been recommended to me now!? Two years after upload and 10 years since I had to study Baudrillard. Great video, subscribed

  • @edumazieri
    @edumazieri7 ай бұрын

    Wow, that's the best explanation I've found for these topics. So quick and concise. Amazingly well done, thank you!

  • @rf-uj5sc
    @rf-uj5sc5 жыл бұрын

    The more I am listening to content about postmodernism, the more interesting it sounds. Thanks for explaining it in laymen terms.

  • @atheistcrusader1160

    @atheistcrusader1160

    3 жыл бұрын

    Are you for postmoderism? Why? Why not?

  • @laurioho2041

    @laurioho2041

    Жыл бұрын

    i love postmodern philosophy, its killing me inside

  • @ArcadeStunfisk
    @ArcadeStunfisk5 жыл бұрын

    I am a huge fan of Baudrillard and find his work absolutely fascinating. This video was awesome to watch and I only wish it was longer!

  • @BeautifulEarthJa

    @BeautifulEarthJa

    Жыл бұрын

    Ditto

  • @kenmina-hs1wb
    @kenmina-hs1wb5 жыл бұрын

    I would like to thank you for these great videos you ve been uploading. It is clear how much love you put into your content

  • @ilnec
    @ilnec5 жыл бұрын

    first video of yours I've watched, I didn't expect much going in, but was honestly surprised at how well it was made. keep it up, please.

  • @comradefreedom8275
    @comradefreedom82752 жыл бұрын

    I just saw American Psycho for the first time (a decision inspired by this video, by the way), and yeah, this analysis is spot on. I think the way you described Bateman could be said about everyone else as well. Charming smiles, no actual self.

  • @bradpitt1873
    @bradpitt18735 жыл бұрын

    Woah! This opened me up to a bunch of whole new concepts and ideas, not the basic ones I could have formulated in my head. My mind is blown.

  • @james555c
    @james555c3 жыл бұрын

    I love the analogy of the toothpaste effect. Great to see a video covering American phycho in this depth I've always loved the concept of this movie, all the subtleties that alot of people don't bother to pay no mind to really makes the film so great. It's a great representation of how things are now great video

  • @duendex5
    @duendex57 ай бұрын

    This channel is great. Thanks for putting this video eassays out there

  • @MalcH
    @MalcH5 жыл бұрын

    I love your content. You never disappoint!

  • @wandersgion4989
    @wandersgion49895 жыл бұрын

    Your best video essay so far. Keep up the great analyses.

  • @HxH2011DRA

    @HxH2011DRA

    5 жыл бұрын

    Wanders Gion Agreed

  • @megaperl
    @megaperl5 жыл бұрын

    My most sincere and enthusiastic "thanks" for this video. Being a frequent reader of Baudrillard, but also of Ellis, who humbly tried to put together a couple of Culture Jamming conferences, I now regret not having found your impressive channel before. (I'll definitely check your Patreon profile). Un cordial saludo from Zürich.

  • @erikkarlsson8556
    @erikkarlsson85565 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for making this video, it's really well made, and i can see that you poured your heart into it. Keep up the good work!

  • @wandersgion4989
    @wandersgion49895 жыл бұрын

    You’re the only other person that I know of who has interpreted the ending of American Psycho in that manner, but I think you are correct.

  • @rishi2463

    @rishi2463

    Жыл бұрын

    Can you please explain it to me again? I didn't totally get it. Did the murders happen? If so, how was the room empty where he kept the bodies?

  • @chazzbranigaan9354
    @chazzbranigaan9354 Жыл бұрын

    God this video is such a masterpiece, come back to watch this one every few months

  • @bassam.2023
    @bassam.20234 жыл бұрын

    This video was so interesting, I wish it had been an hour long. Bravo!

  • @analoguenerd9285
    @analoguenerd92854 жыл бұрын

    Very impressive video! I watched this recently in Shanghai at Baudrillard's exhibition in Power Station of Art. The analysis is simple but efficient. Thanks for making it!

  • @aafinity396
    @aafinity3965 жыл бұрын

    i can see how jean baudrillard's over abundance of euphemisms, adjectives and metaphors can get on the reader's nerves when trying to understand his point(s) or what hes trying to communicate. otherwise, when you can unpack it, its fairly comprehensive, and learning a little about structuralism haha

  • @celebrimborblue5052
    @celebrimborblue50525 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are a breath of fresh air.

  • @huaijiutv
    @huaijiutv4 жыл бұрын

    This video gives the deepest Patreon acknowledgement I've ever heard. Keep up the good work!

  • @dialecticalveganegoist1721
    @dialecticalveganegoist17215 жыл бұрын

    I am so lucky you don't have alot of videos, otherwise I wouldn't be able to study today. I love your videos man, easy to follow and interesting!

  • @williamm.9429
    @williamm.94295 жыл бұрын

    i love this channel

  • @MLouah-gp9ef

    @MLouah-gp9ef

    5 жыл бұрын

    William M. such a post modern comment

  • @Wolcik3000

    @Wolcik3000

    5 жыл бұрын

    artistic choice of words

  • @ludwigwittgenduck3282

    @ludwigwittgenduck3282

    4 жыл бұрын

    Why is it called 'cuck' philosophy? I feel like there's some level of subversive irony that's eluding me....

  • @marco252005

    @marco252005

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ludwigwittgenduck3282 here here.

  • @giorgitatarashvili3875
    @giorgitatarashvili38753 жыл бұрын

    Great analysis man. I had a thesis on Cultural logic of late Capitalism. Your analysis really helped me to put together pastiche and simulacra and to find key differences between Jameson's and Baudrillard's approaches.

  • @DW-tc6du
    @DW-tc6du5 жыл бұрын

    this was very well done, congratulations! truly a video essay to be proud of

  • @jacobb8397
    @jacobb83975 жыл бұрын

    I liked this a lot, thanks for putting so much effort into your vids man

  • @Finnnicus
    @Finnnicus5 жыл бұрын

    My boy John out here really doing some analysis

  • @jonwhite8815
    @jonwhite88155 жыл бұрын

    I already loved American Psycho, but this greatly increased my appreciation of it. I'd love more videos about movies.

  • @hugosaurus
    @hugosaurus3 жыл бұрын

    I keep rewatching this video, amazing work man

  • @olanmcevoy8581
    @olanmcevoy85815 жыл бұрын

    Loved this video and have subscribed! American Psycho (both book and the film) was one of my favourites from being a teenager, way before I had read any philosophy or cultural theory. Great to find that there's more to be taken from going back to it!

  • @aliciadonadio2597
    @aliciadonadio25975 жыл бұрын

    This is some high quality youtube content...

  • @JohnMoseley
    @JohnMoseley5 жыл бұрын

    I'm currently reading Joan Didion's essay collection _Political Fictions_ which is excellent anyway and excellent in particular on Reagan as an empty shell. In terms of both his work practices and his personal involvement with his material, whether film scripts or policy, she makes it clear with testimony from those who worked with him, he never really stopped being a B-list actor reciting lines.

  • @MotiveCap
    @MotiveCap3 жыл бұрын

    Amazing work! Enjoyed it and I like that you point to philosophers and further reading.

  • @greenvelvet
    @greenvelvet9 ай бұрын

    I must have watched this video over 100 times. An amazing video essay, rich with interesting ideas that I continuously go back to

  • @aliinga
    @aliinga4 жыл бұрын

    Great video that helped me grasp a lot of aspects of the movie I initially couldn't make sense of. One question: I am a bit confused by how seamlessly structuralism and postmodernism are drawn together. In the essay they appear like related ideas, but they are quite opposing. I guess my question is, where or how does the essay draw a difference between these two ideas for its analysis?

  • @brendananderson9102
    @brendananderson91023 жыл бұрын

    7:00 I did say once to a friend about this movie. "They have more in common with the chairs they're sitting in, than in one another."

  • @commwave5820
    @commwave58205 жыл бұрын

    Great work as usual. Hope to see more videos soon.

  • @yungpableezy69
    @yungpableezy695 жыл бұрын

    this video just showed up on my recommended and combines my 2 favorite things postmodernism and american psycho, thank you so much

  • @antinatalistcougar
    @antinatalistcougar5 жыл бұрын

    Excellent explanation of a postmodern philosopher as critiquing the postmodern condition. I think some people are confusing the postmodern condition for postmodern philosophy - then concluding that postmodern philosophy is psychopathic - but your video explains the relationship as condition & critique. We are literally products of our environment. Thank You.

  • @jonasceikaCCK

    @jonasceikaCCK

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes! That's a distinction I've been wanting to point out. Postmodern theory as a philosophy is different from postmodernity as a historical stage. One can identify the time we live in as postmodern, while still being critical of postmodernism. Just like Nietzsche identified modern times as nihilistic, while himself (contrary to a lot of mistaken categorizations) being anti-nihilist.

  • @antinatalistcougar

    @antinatalistcougar

    5 жыл бұрын

    Wow! I've never heard that description of Nietzsche before. Thank You!

  • @businessman2085
    @businessman20855 жыл бұрын

    I really liked this video even though I understood almost none of it.

  • @deonrichards841

    @deonrichards841

    4 жыл бұрын

    The fact that you liked it and took the time to comment , already puts you on the path of understanding BM

  • @ageispolis6960
    @ageispolis69605 жыл бұрын

    Very well done video, I look forward to more content from you!

  • @brokenlegend23
    @brokenlegend235 жыл бұрын

    My favorit vid of yours. Absolutely love your channel mate.

  • @rubbeldiekatz85
    @rubbeldiekatz854 жыл бұрын

    Never understood the appeal of Sargon of Akkad when there is content like this out there.

  • @nhmooytis7058

    @nhmooytis7058

    4 жыл бұрын

    Korean Jesus hardly of interest to the same audience, you ‘progressive’ dolt.

  • @rubbeldiekatz85

    @rubbeldiekatz85

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nhmooytis7058 It's not just a lack of interest. Sargon is also incredibly dumb.

  • @nhmooytis7058

    @nhmooytis7058

    4 жыл бұрын

    Korean Jesus unlike you who is a fucking genius.Sarg has 900+K subs. You have 62, 61 of whom are likely you,. ROFL.

  • @rubbeldiekatz85

    @rubbeldiekatz85

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nhmooytis7058 It's hilarious that you think an appropriate measure for intelligence is someone's amount of subscribers. I can think of plenty of people you'd have nothing but contempt for who are far more impactful than Sargon. On a side note: I'm not a content creator. You're comparing apples with oranges. I guess on your terms Anita Sarkeesian must be a fucking brain genious because she is also very popular and successful.

  • @awadafuk4863

    @awadafuk4863

    4 жыл бұрын

    NHMO OYTIS You’ve really missed the point, Sargon’s a bad faith debate who uses sneaky techniques to promote an ‘immigration bad’ narrative through which he can thrust forth Brexit and other ideological matters.

  • @franzhaas3712
    @franzhaas37125 жыл бұрын

    THIS WAS WELL DONE. I SMILE AS MY EGO SMILES BACK AT ME. YES MY COMPLEMENT IS ABOUT ME. AS IF THIS WRITING MATTERS.

  • @mathieuL2204
    @mathieuL2204 Жыл бұрын

    Damn that ending was cold! Great job. I never understood Baudrillard prior to seeing this video.

  • @RasierapparaT
    @RasierapparaT Жыл бұрын

    I really like the style of your videos. Also impressive analysis!

  • @nelsonphillips
    @nelsonphillips5 жыл бұрын

    There is a lot of people that really don't like Baudrillard, personally I think he is very interesting. Particular interest to me is he notion of simulacra. When playing around with his ideas I incorporated the idea of the simulacra directly into the subject of cognition. Here the sign value becomes more constrained, but is consistent with the thoughts able to be products of themselves. In pure thought, thoughts can be removed of consequence. Problematic thoughts have consequences when they are correspond to actions. Without these actions the inside does not matter...................... Question is a thought a sign or a signifier? Nice video. Reminded me of how much I like Baudrillard and it almost made me write a really long piece here.;-)

  • @zui
    @zui5 жыл бұрын

    I think its interesting that you take american psycho as an example even tho i have a very different opinion about the movie it fits the narrative but there is one difference you might want to consider this, batemans actions cant be taken as reality, there are many signs pointing to him only hallucinating, for example the scene where the ATM tells him to feed it a stray cat, the body that was hidden in the closet that just disappears, the scene where he rampages with a chainsaw and nobody seems to care, even if these people didnt care about him murdering they would most likely care about him making noise If you view it from this perspective tho the point you made still holds up, in batemans world everyone is a clone of each other, same clothes, hairstyle, lifestyle. They still try to differentiate themselves from each other in little things without stopping to be clone, thats why its so important to them that theire absolutely identical looking business cards are made out of different materials, even tho you wouldnt be able to tell the difference if they didnt tell you. This is why bateman has gone crazy, he wishes he was a serial killer to so he would be drastically different from everyone else, to finally not be just another clone, he wants to break out of his lifestyle so badly but in the end it is impossible. He basically wants to escape the objects that own him, the people that embody himself and in the most extreme way, he wants to kill them. But he cant escape his condition.

  • @dasein9980

    @dasein9980

    5 жыл бұрын

    You completely missed the meaning of AP if you think Bateman merely imagined or hallucinated muxh of what took place.

  • @Badbentham

    @Badbentham

    5 жыл бұрын

    Actually, you pretty much validify the points made: Hyperrealism also means that the borders and distinction between "reality" and hallucination fall apart, in a black-hole-like "holistic spectacle". Obviously, the bateman tries to escape his condition, by all violent means, to retain some kind of subjective sovereignty, but he only ends up in a Moebius strip of signs and references, that he perpetuates. The "World Music" video resolves around a similar topic, btw: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kad3tMWfibXZnMo.html .

  • @thereisnosanctuary6184

    @thereisnosanctuary6184

    4 жыл бұрын

    So, the Character was. the Author. Imagination releasing. feelings.

  • @paffinity

    @paffinity

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Shekel Master69 this video was commenting on the movie, not the book

  • @craigpointon8394
    @craigpointon83943 жыл бұрын

    Incredible. Thanks for your work!

  • @emiliozavalaart
    @emiliozavalaart5 жыл бұрын

    Really liking these vids mates :3 keep it up!!!!

  • @KamalFansa
    @KamalFansa5 жыл бұрын

    Always fun to listen to what you have to say

  • @WeatheredPeach
    @WeatheredPeach5 жыл бұрын

    This... hit kinda close to home, haha. I really should read more Baudrillard.

  • @BasedSif
    @BasedSif4 жыл бұрын

    Amazing content bro. This is good stuff

  • @filippom.2999
    @filippom.29993 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this video! It really inspired me to know more about Baudrillard

  • @DrWHO-jv5qi
    @DrWHO-jv5qi3 жыл бұрын

    When Christian Bale was analyzing that card, it reminded me of a Graphic designer. Merging branding and art and you've got yourself a service that caters well in a capitalist system. It all comes down to if you can make people believe they need it.

  • @dmay3391

    @dmay3391

    3 жыл бұрын

    "make people believe they need it." *Capitalism entices people to want it. It's authoritarian to "make" people "need".*

  • @split_jcgg9613
    @split_jcgg96134 жыл бұрын

    Wtf what did I just watch... that was brilliant wow

  • @atreuslione1013
    @atreuslione10135 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff, as usual. My favorite book from Baudrillard is "Consumer Society"

  • @YeahSureNoWorries
    @YeahSureNoWorries5 жыл бұрын

    This is an outstanding video. Thank you ✨

  • @matthewkopp2391
    @matthewkopp23914 жыл бұрын

    It is interesting that one of the predominant obsession of the 60‘s was „finding the authentic self“ and this idea was based on narcissistic theories by Alice Miller and Heinz Kohut, where a distinction is made between a false self persona and an authentic self that had been suppressed and of which a person with narcissistic traits is unconscious of and cannot accept. You can even see the idea with Marcuse one dimensional man, which was highly criticized by conservatives. But this psychological idea was slowly replaced with identity culture where the obsession became the creation of the persona, you can even say a celebration of one-dimensionality. Or even in Marxist terms a celebration of alienation. It makes sense that this happened during a conservative era, where all the remaining past conservative values which might be considered noble no longer had any ground whatsoever and was thereby replaced by symbolic conservativism. You can see this when you watch conservative pseudo-intellectuals like Lind who in a video is in a study with a pipe posing as an intellectual and yet has nothing substantial to say other than to spin a paranoid anti cultural Marxist conspiracy theory. Essentially conservativism with no intellectual ground whatsoever only the sign. Because if a conservative did say go back to Adam Smith or Thomas Jefferson they would contradict the Republican agenda, which was not conservative at all.

  • @dmay3391

    @dmay3391

    3 жыл бұрын

    "60‘s was „finding the authentic self“ *The Psychedelic era of the sixties was when people randomly short circuited their brains with chemicals to explore imagination. That would be a time of "finding the pretend self". To be authentic it would need to be real, meaning apparent to ANYONE, not simply one person hallucinating a self of anything they pretend.*

  • @vivicohen199

    @vivicohen199

    7 ай бұрын

    @@dmay3391: Get with the programme! Hallucinogens are gaining traction as a means of treating people with psychological/psychiatric disorders (ref National Center for Biotechnology information, ncbi.nlm.nih.gov).

  • @ironreed2654
    @ironreed26545 жыл бұрын

    I think I'm going to read Baudrillard, you've about convinced me. But change your channel name dude, it mis represents a thoughtful video.

  • @MonkeyWhoWouldBeKing
    @MonkeyWhoWouldBeKing5 жыл бұрын

    so, if have very finite patience for a good portion of post-modernist philosophy, but this is becoming a good channel and is helping me get a more charitable understanding of some of the material

  • @azhash3
    @azhash34 жыл бұрын

    Prob the most clear and understandeable analysis of this movie on YT, thanks for the explanations

  • @ByzantineCapitalManagement
    @ByzantineCapitalManagement5 жыл бұрын

    Awesome

  • @Phenixio96
    @Phenixio965 жыл бұрын

    I don't understand everything, I think that I have to read this book, but it's very interesting

  • @julianswanson751
    @julianswanson7515 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are really amazing and informative and I have really enjoyed them. One note on the topic of of sign-value I’ve noticed that you do an excellent job of timing clips with the audio but have extended periods of time with just a black screen; I don’t know if this is bad necessarily but I wanted to let you know that it is noticeable

  • @sunshineetall2611
    @sunshineetall2611 Жыл бұрын

    I love the combo of infos, very suitable vid for my before bed stories routine

  • @HxH2011DRA
    @HxH2011DRA5 жыл бұрын

    Finally I can better understand this

  • @xtrafranky

    @xtrafranky

    5 жыл бұрын

    The Hunter x Hunter 2011 Dickriding Association dude the 1999 hxh is 100x better than the 2011.

  • @benjaminperez6756

    @benjaminperez6756

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@xtrafranky Except it's not?

  • @springinfialta106
    @springinfialta1065 жыл бұрын

    I don't think Tom Cruise would be capable of the performances he achieved in films like Magnolia and Eyes Wide Shut if we were just a smiling nonentity. So he's a Scientology freak, but he is also an artist. Not on the level of someone like John Malkovich, but certainly higher than most of those posing as actors in Hollywood these days.

  • @P9rkour90
    @P9rkour905 жыл бұрын

    This was so good. Definitely subbing

  • @nickgeffen8316
    @nickgeffen83165 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating! Thanks, CP!