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@jaegerbomb269

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a video on Captain Benteen and Major Reno's involvement at Little Big Horn. I personally think they did nothing wrong, but what are your thoughts?

@KatInHerKat

2 жыл бұрын

What's the song at the start? I'm absolutely in love with it and Shazam is not helping

i am so glad you are covering native american histories too. theres so much to learn that our schools wont teach.

@TheMacJew

2 жыл бұрын

Check out A Century of Dishonor. It's a great read.

@rarecandy3445

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMacJew i just listened to a few youtube videos about it. i think ill pick it up! thank you for the recommendatio.

@Hchris101

2 жыл бұрын

Poggers

@tariqskanaal8187

2 жыл бұрын

@@rarecandy3445 profile picture

@rarecandy3445

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alte.Kameraden shut up dude im not listening to you.

I'm from the Twin Cities so the Dakota Uprising is a familiar story to me. The number of Dakota men hanged at Mankato was 38 (+2 if you count chiefs Wakanozanzan and Shakopee, hanged 2 years later) not 32. It's considered one of the darkest chapters in our state's history.

@ReignCharger

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bentastic197 the settlers were not supposed to be there

@rickysanders6487

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReignCharger You're technically right, but it's also more complicated than that. Some of those settlers were actually sympathetic to the Dakota, but were killed anyway. Many, however, were simply taken as hostages. Most Dakota chiefs condemned killing settlers and even opposed the war for moral and practical reasons. The sad reality is that when "emotions run high", it's often easier to lash out at a symbolic target (settlers) than those directly responsible for your suffering (the government).

@rickysanders6487

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bentastic197 The reason the Dakota took up arms was because they were cheated out of annuity payments promised to them after they signed a treaty with the government (under coercion). Presence of the settlers was seen as an extension of the unjust treatment they received from the US government. The US put those settlers in a dangerous position by granting them land that they knew wasn't theirs. Top that off with driving the Dakota into crushing poverty, and emotions are bound to "run high".

When I was a kid we did 8-week driving trip to the US that went through South Dakota. Even compared to early 90s Scotland the poverty to me as a child was noticeable and wounded knee really spooked me. You can drive for a hundred miles with a cassette of movie western theme tunes and feel like you're visiting something special, but then you hit a major city or fly out of Orlando and at that point realise that thousands of square miles of the US are a no-mans land of lost dreams and genocide that most people are unfamiliar with. I've met a few of smart educated people who thought that Deadwood, Custer and all that stuff were actually fictional stories made up by Hollywood, although given their portrayal I don't blame them.

@stephenjenkins7971

Жыл бұрын

What a jarring world view. You can call any modern state a land of lost dreams and genocide that most people are unfamiliar with and it'd still work. Americans really do take it to the next level, huh?

Friendly reminder that Phil Sheridan was the guy who said “The only good Indian is a dead Indian” …or essentially words to that effect; even if he didn’t, the aphorism *does* effectively sum up his approach to dealing with Native American tribes, as well as successive US administrations on the whole…

@yourmomshouse0486

2 жыл бұрын

well they killed the white man in large groups first

@pcarnold9

2 жыл бұрын

You shoulda seen what this guy did to the Shenandoah valley! Geez louise!

Cypher, This is yet another reason why Reconstruction failed. The nation as a whole was much more racist than it is today, not just the South. It may be painful for Americans who were born and raised outside the South to admit, but racism, and racial violence was never just a Southern thing.

@ecurewitz

2 жыл бұрын

And sadly l still is

@nickdubil90

2 жыл бұрын

It's particularly hard to look back further in American history than around 1880. Before that, there was little communication between races of any description. Tribalism, as it exists in many other parts of the world today, was dominant in the new world, in the sense that each immigrant population and their descendants worked to further the goals of their own individual group, and little more. If you've seen Gangs of New York, you may get an idea. To make it abundantly clear: I am not espousing that this sort of belief has any place in modernity, but I think the classic factional distribution of power explains a lot of how our modern world came to be, and can explain some elements of the brutality that for us would seem to go too far.

@GargamelGold

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickdubil90 , There was definitely “communication between the races” before 1880. People of other “races” did indeed talk to each other. I don’t think that was the problem. It was more that white people tended to regard people of other “races” as inherently lesser than them, and judged them accordingly. After 1880, things didn’t really get better. The United States was entering the Jim Crow era. Blacks would experience the Orwellian “separate but equal” segregation and our country would work tirelessly to destroy Native American culture and identity.

@geesixnine

2 жыл бұрын

Very Archaic thinking even during the industrial revolution.

@stephenjenkins7971

Жыл бұрын

@@GargamelGold There was communication, but there was no understanding. Extermination of the "other" was as commonplace as breathing across human history -the Europeans simply became so powerful for such an extended period of time that they dominated the narrative of their own superiority.

I'd honestly love it if you'd take the time to go further in depth into this, there is a lot of history here that gets glossed over in primary schools on this subject. Great video, but honestly this can be its own series

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

Guess you'll just have to read some of my bibliography, watch the numerous other videos I've done on Amerindian history, and eventually read my dissertation when it's finished 😉

@BradyPostma

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian Are you going to announce your dissertation on KZread when you're done? We can't peer review it, but I can't be the only one eager to read it.

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradyPostma dunno. As with all dissertations, it will be publicly available once published

@seanbeadles7421

2 жыл бұрын

What’s the dissertation on?

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanbeadles7421 violence in the American Southwest

I wish high schools would teach more about what happened to the native Americans during the civil war

@nwa4043

2 жыл бұрын

Southern high schools barley teach that the south was the wrong side in the civil war, what did you expect?

Recommendation for future video: What caused the Sino-Soviet Split? You have discussed leftist revolutionary infighting in great length; this seems like the best concrete example of such infighting.

@hatinmyselfiscool2879

2 жыл бұрын

Don't think it would be a long video tho. It can be summarized in like 2 minutes.

@jwil4286

2 жыл бұрын

@@hatinmyselfiscool2879 you'd be surprised; some topics that we think are simple are more complex. Even his video on the cause of the Civil War (which was slavery), was longer than a couple minutes, particularly because the issue of slavery at the time was rather multidimensional (meaning it had implications on so many other things and people took different sides for different reasons).

@ruedelta

2 жыл бұрын

@@jwil4286 It's quite multidimensional in fact, since you start to look at other actors like Yugoslavia or Albania and the nature of the Communist vanguard at the time. Inherent with that is an explanation of terms and thoughts, though Cipher's done a video on that already.

@jwil4286

2 жыл бұрын

@@ruedelta ohh ok. i didn't know

Well done Cypher! This is an excellent video on the often overlooked or sidelined in regards to the Civil War and Reconstruction as well as the plight of Native Americans (including The Sand Creek Massacre in my own state). Also kudos for not portraying the conflict in purely black & white terms. While I think most of us today rightly sympathize with the displaced and desecrated indigenous peoples, it’s important to also remember that there was plenty of bloodshed by all parties involved.

@brettquimby3274

2 жыл бұрын

People really let their emotions override their better judgement and fail to be nuanced. The truth is, White, Black and Native Americans have all done some pretty wretched things to themselves and one another.

@manuelsalinas5705

2 жыл бұрын

@@brettquimby3274 There's also the problem of racist people excusing or justifying the atrocities committed against black and indigenous Americans claiming they committed atrocities too. People are becoming too comfortable with their bias these days.

About the 38 that were hung... I am from the city it happened in (Mankato, MN). Every year, natives ride their horses from South Dakota to ride through our city until their destination at Reconciliation Park (site of the hanging) and afterwards, Land of Memories Park (where native allies were settled when leading settlers to Mankato). Every year we host a powwow, and the hanging event is widely known here, taught in our Minnesota History courses. There's an old legend with unclear accuracy that says that a man running the stockpile where natives would go to get supplies told them to "Eat grass" as he would not give them any. The next day, he was found dead, with grass stuffed in his mouth. The killing of settlers you mentioned from 400-800 casualties actually wiped out an entire city opposite to New Ulm, and New Ulm came under siege. Mankato was the world's largest refugee destination city during a brief time from this, and the killing of settlers constituted the largest civilian death toll in American history until 9/11. It's memorialized quite heavily in New Ulm alongside their strong German heritage that remains to this day represented in German street signs, police cars and architecture. Honestly, the Dakota War is a hugely underrated representation of our treatment and interactions with Native Americans, ESPECIALLY during this era.

@TannerWilliam07

2 жыл бұрын

As an descendant of the Dakota 38+2, they never mention how 1/3 of great great grandparents ethnically cleansed to the Crow Creek Indian reservation died to starvation and exposure. 400 mostly women and children froze and starved to death. Understanding history is one thing, actually undoing it by returning Indian land is another. (Also, please stop calling us "Native American", we are Indians)

@ReignCharger

2 жыл бұрын

@@TannerWilliam07 you're a part of the Dakota Oyate, shouldn't we start having these people call us by our real names?

@TannerWilliam07

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReignCharger All of my ancestors used Indian. It is our name.

@ReignCharger

2 жыл бұрын

@@TannerWilliam07 All I'm saying is that our ancestors called themselves something else. "Indian" was pushed onto us by the colonizers. I'm part of the Itazipacola band of the Titunwan ospaye. Shouldn't you be going by Sissitunwan or Wahpetunwan or Ihanktunwan or Ihanktunwana?

@TannerWilliam07

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReignCharger It's disrespectful to our ancestors to call ourselves "Native American". Is what I'm saying. I don't know your spiritual beliefs, but our ancestors still hear us when we speak Lakota, they hear Indian, but they don't hear "native American" Respect is one our Lakota values. Practicing the values is what makes us Sioux, not blood quantum or DNA tests. I also hold Respect for our history keepers and elders who use Indian.

For a future video idea, may I recommend a Based on a True Story on “All the President’s Men?” I’d be very curious to see you break down the Watergate scandal in its entirety, and it would help provide a greater context to the wave of scandals that you mentioned in your neoliberalism video.

@theshenpartei

2 жыл бұрын

That would be a good video since I read the book and it’s sequel and saw the movie

@dinotsar6396

2 жыл бұрын

@@theshenpartei Is the book worth reading? I’ve toyed with seeing if I can find it.

@theshenpartei

2 жыл бұрын

@@dinotsar6396 yes it’s worth a read and before you ask I read the first edition. it was at my high school library and probably one of my personal favorite journalism movie or rather top 5 films about journalism. There are the other books being the final days, the last of the presidents men, shadow and the secret man. Those are the books written by Woodward and sometimes by Bernstein about what happened with watergate.

@TheMacJew

2 жыл бұрын

@@dinotsar6396 definitely worth checking out. It covers much more than the movie.

@yrobtsvt

2 жыл бұрын

Impressive myth making in that movie

Wasn’t expecting my great question to be answered by you

Another great video. Would love to see more about Reconstruction. Much as I love learning about the Civil War, the nuances of the Post-Bellum era are ignored by the larger public. Reconstruction is FAR more interesting than the War itself.

@BiggestCorvid

2 жыл бұрын

Wars are fun and sexy to teach and come with convenient dates. Even though it ends up being so reductive you feel bad for slaveowners with minimal spin.

@rarecandy3445

2 жыл бұрын

@@BiggestCorvid who feels bad for slave owners lfmaooo

@BiggestCorvid

2 жыл бұрын

@@rarecandy3445 the millions of Americans who get mad when people suggest that we take the names of monsters off of military bases. People still defend Nathan Bedford Forrest.

@Warriorcats64

2 жыл бұрын

To their own damnation, since our current time is in many ways more a rhyme to that era than The New Deal Era that so many politicians keep wanting it to be on both sides of the aisle.

@stephenjenkins7971

Жыл бұрын

@@rarecandy3445 Easy. Empathy is a very easy way to feel bad for anyone, regardless of their actions; it's what you see in movies all the time. Star Wars' Darth Vader literally helped genocide an entire planet but people love him as a character and empathize with him. Same deal; it's a human thing.

Remember their were indians all over this country.! And we are still here...!!

@stephenwright8824

2 жыл бұрын

Yes you are. I side with those who say calling you "Native American" makes it sound like you're all gone. I have two cousins who are half Arizona Pima (by their father). I told them that from now on (now being over 18 years ago) I would never use the term for that reason. And I meant it.

@yoloswaggins7121

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenwright8824 How does the term Native America make is sound like they are gone?

The Indian wars were also fought in civil war period sioux war in minneasota, Cheyenne war in Colorado, Navaho and Apache wars in the southwest and Kiowa-comanche war in Indian territory. Also Shoshone war in Idaho.

the reconstruction it self is such an interesting topic because how poorly it was handled buy the people in charge and how it really didn't did any thing the grand scheme of things and we mostly look at black people and how i effect them but it is always good to ask the question how it effected other people of color and this time is really effect the morden US

@xp8969

2 жыл бұрын

That's not true, it was successfully in the short term while it was ongoing, the problem was that after the North left the Klan took over the government

@catofthecastle1681

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, get some help learning the English language!

@artypyrec4186

2 жыл бұрын

They couldn't do much. You have a section of the population frenzied for the war, culture, government control, race and power. What do you do? Leaders of freedom but you subjugate the south would only martyr them and another eventual war.

@xp8969

2 жыл бұрын

Salute General@@nedludd7622

Thank you for showing the dark, hidden part of US history Cypher. It deserves to be told and not get swept under the "stars and stripes" rug.

@andysawyer647

2 жыл бұрын

Oh there is so much more for us all to learn

Colts fan here. I caught a wild Andrew Luck in the background at 2:57. It made me chuckle. Love your videos.

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

This video began with a different editor (despite changing A BUNCH from his edit). He had to explain that joke to me, but i kept it in

@tjstuart99

2 жыл бұрын

Colts fan here as well. I was just chilling watching the video then I see Captain Andrew Luck appear! 🤣

why u make me wait so long for a new video!! i guess its hirbernation time again. awesome vid btw

i really do appreciate the effort you put in on your historical analyses, as a navajo who grew up going to tuba city and talking with my grandmas about all the things that happened to them it feels good to see more of this to come to the public internet, as really you only see things in local native American circles.

10:00 government agents would later say that the conditions of Ft Sumner were the same as the infamous Andersonville prison camp that the Confederates ran. Thousands of Navajos died, and of course these weren't combatants these were people. Navajo families have stories about young mother's grieving over their dying babies, their grandmothers telling them that it was okay because they could have more babies in the future. They didn't tell us about that when we read about Abraham Lincoln when I was on a reservation school.

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

Less than a thousand Navajos died from the terrible conditions at Bosque Redondo. The entire experience, from the war to return (1863-1868), did not come to "thousands." The entire tribe only numbered around 3000-4000 to begin with. Its best not to resort to hyperbole, and instead speak the truth, for it is bad enough as it is

@navajoguy8102

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian Having only read about it for years, Navajo Wars by Frank McNitt, Blood and Thunder by Hampton Sides, Dine A History of the Navajos by Peter Iverson, and some others. They generally put the peak number of Navajos who were interned at Ft Sumner in the ball park of 7 or 8 thousand people not counting the not insignificant numbers who were able to escape those round ups and were wandering around the New Mexico Territory. How exactly they came by those numbers or how the Army counted them I don't know. Its a common estimate I've seen from books about the topic.

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

@@navajoguy8102 Iverson says 3,000

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

The again, why am i using his numbers? I actually really despise that book

Been reading and learning about Reconstruction the last couple years and was curious about native Americans during this period so this video was timed perfectly. Thanks for the "read more" links. Would like to see more of this kind of "hidden history". Thanks!

Great video, man!

I can't wait for a civil and nuanced discussion

@singletona082

2 жыл бұрын

All i know is how clueless I am, and while I've known some of these events? Given wider context just makes what was to me already Bad.... even Worse. I don't even know where to begin. And yes i know you were being sarcastic. All you really can do when the comments section turns into a mosh pit is grab popcorn.

Reconstruction really began the final fall of the Native American Nations. It always amazes me how quickly everything fell in the span of decades you had men and women who at their birth lived and owned Territory as wide as the Plains and within their lifespan saw all the lands they grew up in lost their way of life destroyed man6 of their kin killed or starced and placed in Reservations in quick succession

@spartanx9293

2 жыл бұрын

Well that's life it is never quite what you think it'll be

@brettquimby3274

2 жыл бұрын

Ironic how the Civil War made things better for Black Americans by ending slavery while making things worse for Native Americans by encouraging the destruction of their way of life.

@ReignCharger

2 жыл бұрын

Remember, the Indian Wars weren't the end of the oppression. Termination era and the boarding schools is barely beginning to get a lot of scholarly attention.

@brettquimby3274

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReignCharger The boarding schools were even worse in Canada, I’ve heard.

Great topic. Would definitely appreciate more on the reconstruction era.

I very much love the video and personally it has been very hard to learn about the Indian Wars or find videos and topics that unbiasly covers the topic. With a lot of media mythologizing the Indian wars as, from my perspective, a last valiant cry of a dying race rather than portraying a scathing critique on federal government approach on race. Growing up on the Navajo reservation a lot of what I hear of the time period and after is from oral traditions and they all tell a perspective of humiliation, distrust, anger, and sadness against the federal government. It's been hard to learn more about that time and to build up from that knowledge to understand the impact of the Marshall Trilogy, Indian policy, and westward expansion. So very much love the video and keep up the great work!

Thanks for sharing

Cool video!

One of your better videos and relatively objective.

i love that intro man

UNRELATED: I'm new to your channel Cypher (Sorry If I spelt it wrong!) I just wanna say.................WILSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!

@singletona082

2 жыл бұрын

As you learn more of american history you will grow to despise that man all the more.

Thank you, sad video, but the story needs to be told

I read the title and was instantly hooked!! An excellent video!!

@theshenpartei

2 жыл бұрын

I was hooked in as well

Well this is about as depressing as it gets

@BradyPostma

2 жыл бұрын

There's no limit to how depressing it can get.

@rarecandy3445

2 жыл бұрын

you should look up the treatment and abuse of native children held in residential schools. the history of natives with canada akd the USA gets substantially darker.

@stephenjenkins7971

Жыл бұрын

@@rarecandy3445 Isn't really that dark to me; just sounds like history. There are never times in conquest where the defeated are treated well; sometimes the defeated get integrated, other times it leaves broken communities. Devil is in the details, I guess. Whether its the US, Mexico, Argentina, Australia, or Bolivia -getting rid of the Native Americans for their own geopolitical ends was a common trope. It makes perfect sense, if you forget morality anyway. Heck, Native genocided each other apparently quite often too -they're not exactly a united entity.

@rarecandy3445

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenjenkins7971 you would definitely be complicit in these sorts of behaviors, arguably a participant.

@stephenjenkins7971

Жыл бұрын

@@rarecandy3445 Not sure how you concluded that at all, especially when I generally oppose what I consider unnecessary US foreign intervention, but mmkay.

Nice job.

this reminds me of a video by Mr. Beat about how race was literally made up to divide people.

@bangslamwham88

2 жыл бұрын

I've said it for years. There's only one race I know of and it's called the human race.

@jwil4286

2 жыл бұрын

@@bangslamwham88 and I doubt anyone agrees with you as much as I do

@PremierCCGuyMMXVI

2 жыл бұрын

@@jwil4286 I also agree with him :) I always tell people Ethnicity not race is what you are talking about.

@cv4809

2 жыл бұрын

@@bangslamwham88 if you lived 200 or more years ago you wouldn't be thinking like that

@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath

2 жыл бұрын

The modern concept of a "white race" "black race" etc. was cerated by people, but obviously ethnicity clearly does exist and people from around of the world have glaringly obvious differences. If you saw an ethnically Norwegian and and ethnically Nigerian man, anyone could tell you which is which in about one second. This difference is biological as well as visual. We can literally tell a person's entire ancestry just from a sample of their saliva..

The more I read about the history of native peoples,including Little Big Horn,its becoming more apparent that the relationship problems between Indians and settlers is more nuanced and complicated that what popular history makes it out to be. This vid was very informative.

Great video! I'd be interested to hear if there's any updates on the excavation of the boarding schools that took native children to 're-educate' them.

At the end of Carson's campaign against the Navajo he requested permission to distribute his prisoners amongst the Ute who had aided in the campaign. Carlton denied this saying that they were fighting a war to end slavery.

A couple interesting topics: Siege of Jadotville, Congo crisis, the state of Katanga, and mercenary Mad Mike Hoare’s 5th commando actions in Africa along side the failed Seychelles coup

Good video

sorry for spamming your comment section, but I just noticed that your credits scene looks a little like the Imperial Japanese flag (pre-WW2)

this has been so helpful in my homeschooling. I'm trying to teach American history from three world views, African, European and Native American.

Cypher, could cover the Johnson County War?

I have an odd request, but can the metal intro music from "the outpost" BoaTS episode make an appearance soon on one of your upcoming videos?

2:58 yep this is right

@imyourfriend1680

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

As a Choctaw and a historian, I was hoping this video was going to be about how various Native American tribes participated in the Civil War. Maybe another video idea? This video was mainly about what was being done to Native peoples in general, rather than about what specific Native people or tribes were actively doing. If you’d like, I’d be happy to speak with you more about how to talk about Native history. Thanks for being interested in presenting this history to the public!

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

I've thought about doing an episode about Indian Territory more generally from removal to Dawes. But i dunno how to unify that narrative. Plus I'm a western historian, so this episode was really about Elliot West's concept

@shannonstiles7405

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian That is certainly an interesting topic, too. If you ever want any suggestions or help with Native American topics, I’d be happy to help. Feel free to DM me or find me on LinkedIn. I was the museum curator for the US Bureau of Indian Affairs, so I have experience presenting this history.

Wasn't the Sand Creek Massacre more because of the Grattan Fight than mistaken identity?

I live in Oklahoma. First, a few of the Civilized Tribes adopted the White Man's ways - one of those being slavery. After they were forced to relocate under the Indian Removal Act (which Andrew Johnson carried out despite the SCOTUS ruling calling the act Unconstitutional), there was so much bitterness towards the US Government, that the Cherokee and Choctaw Tribes (among a few others) sided with the Confederacy as they equated the Union with the Federal Government. In fact, one Cherokee General, Stand Waite, was one of the last Confederate Generals to surrender - nearly five months after Lee's surrender. I am curious: would you consider those tribes (many of whom did use slavery) as part of the Lost Cause Myth - despite the forced relocation and the continual changing of previous agreements?

@kionnakelly2918

2 жыл бұрын

Civilized?

@beandip3160

2 жыл бұрын

@@kionnakelly2918 The big 5 tribes in Oklahoma have been referred to legally and historically as the 5 Civilized Tribes. You don't really hear it nowadays because it's obviously offensive, but in the historical context, yes, that's what they were called. One piece of legislation "The 5 Civilized Tribes Act of 1866", codified after the Civil War, had a bunch of implications for these tribes, the effects of which can still be felt today.

@beandip3160

2 жыл бұрын

Many people do like to bring up Watie, and it is true that the contingent of Cherokees under Watie were the last to surrender, but he was also a traitor to the Cherokee Nation and it is because of him and a handful of others that the Cherokee were forced to march to Indian Territory. A lot of people like to tote him as a hero, but to me there were nothing but violent radicals, and some of the buildings they burned down contained priceless Cherokee documents which can never be recovered. Unforgivable in my opinion.

For video in the future i want to see the many scandals of grant since that would a interesting topic to cover

Forgot the link, but there was a historian's blog that was talking specifically about the Dothraki and their historical plausibility, but in one entry, he mentioned how the Plains Tribes' (one of the inspirations for the Dothraki) relatively new dependency on the buffalo might not have been sustainable in the long run. Even if the U.S. had completely left them alone, they might have hunted the herds to extinction in a few generations.

@ReignCharger

2 жыл бұрын

We plains tribes had been hunting the buffalo for centuries and had systems of land management that allowed herds to flourish. Buffalo jumps were far less common than many ethnographers claimed.

2:57 You thought I wasn't gonna notice Capt. Andrew Luck in the background?

The Native American Holocaust

@xp8969

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nollic15as a Leftist who's from the North I agree with you 100% that both sides in the Civil War were full of colonizers fighting each other on stolen land, and if slavery hadn't been one of the reasons for secession then I would call the Confederates the lesser of th two evils but as bad as both sides were in the big picture the North was still th lesser of the two evils for at least ending slavery

@BradyPostma

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nollic15 Because the South had already committed their genocide of American Indians a generation earlier.

@xp8969

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradyPostma both sides of the Civil War were full of colonizers fighting each other on stolen land, if slavery wasn't one of the reasons for secession then I would call the Confederates the lesser of the two evils but as bad as both sides were in the big picture the North was still th lesser of the two evils for at least ending slavery, they were all still evil tho

@BradyPostma

2 жыл бұрын

@@xp8969 The South had forcibly removed American Indians from their states a generation earlier, most notably via the Trail of Tears. They had less conflict with them because there were less of them around. There's no moral high ground inherent to having effectively completed their ethnic cleansing a generation earlier.

@ecurewitz

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nollic15 both sides

You are doing an exceptional job making USA-American history fascinating for this German who lives in china.

Great video and information provided! However, i would venture to say that it wasn’t the Reconstruction Period but the DE-CONSTRUCTION period. When we look back at history so-called Black people were actually running the Republican Party in the 1800s as shown in the massacres listed below. Also during that period of war time?? The US was experiencing an influx (during the 1850s-1900s) of over 30 million European Immigrants from 6 different ports of entry which added to the race massacres, drowned towns and burned cities. At this same time during all of these catastrophic events across America, the country was able to host these extravagant World Fairs?? I find this highly questionable🤔 CAMILLA, GA MASSACRE 1868 - “The Original 33” COLFAX, LA MASSACRE 1873 THE SOUTH CAROLINA CIVIL DISTURBANCES OF 1876 HAMBURG, SC MASSACRE 1876 NEW ORLEANS MASSACRE OF 1866 CLINTON, MS MASSACRE 1875 EUTAW, AL MASSACRE 1870 Red Summer 1919 Trail of Tears 1830s-1850s Submerged Towns: In Alabama you have the all Black towns of Benson, Kowaliga, Sousana that we were told were established in the late 1800s but were all submerged under Lake Martin. Henry and McKee Islands, AL are submerged under Lake Guntersville. In Georgia you have the all black town of Oscarville that is submerged under Lake Lanier. Redford, MT - Submerged Under Lake Koocanusa - Nagos, MT - Submerged Under Lake Koocanusa

I need to read up on the Indian wars. Can somebody give me a reading list and maybe a good documentary or two.

"Sad Grant" made me laugh at exactly the wrong time in history. Thanks.

Man I thought I was just going to hear about Stand Watie but now I'm just sad

I though you were gonna talk about American Indians and slavery (both enslavement by Whites and enslavements of Blacks), but this is an important message too.

@imyourfriend1680

2 жыл бұрын

White people also was slave in barbary slave trade and arabs enslaved White and blacks in arab slave trade and arabs castrated and killed their slaves and called abeed their black slaves

@eldorados_lost_searcher

2 жыл бұрын

@@imyourfriend1680 Well, those certainly are words.

@rarecandy3445

2 жыл бұрын

@@imyourfriend1680 yeah, slavery was practiced across the world. the discussion would have been about slavery in the americas, not the middle east. quit deflecting and get a grip.

@gequitz

2 жыл бұрын

@@imyourfriend1680 I'm not here to push an agenda, but yes that's also important to history

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

i have no idea how to draw people to the topic. I have my lecture notes to script it quickly, but it seems like a video doomed to obscurity. Might make my slavery lecture into a video though. I wanna give it in-person another time this semester before recording though

Dear God. I thought I had a list of all the Indian Wars down. There were at least 6 more full blown wars on the list you showed that I'd never heard of.

Best day in history was when my ancestors killed custer. And nice overall video, not as thorough but still decent.

@scottanno8861

2 жыл бұрын

It's a good thing Custer died. Otherwise he would have turned his attention on the Mormons

The "Old West" had almost twice as many Indian Wars (63) as gunfights (36).

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

Where are you getting the idea that there were only 36 gunfights? In my dissertation alone, I've talked about over 100, and I'm around 2/3rds finished. Plus mine is only talking about the Southwest

Stefan Milo and Cynical Historian uploading on the same day?!

someone give me the answer😞 “how did the civil war reconstruction effect the native americans” it’s for hw

@emirellavillanuev7919

Жыл бұрын

yes plz, we need help😞🙏🏽

It's a good thing Custer had the Indians to fight, otherwise he'd have probably fought the utah Mormons lol. At least he died in the process

I live near where the Dakota War of 1862 ended. There's a monument there called "Camp Release". But the locals know so little about history that they call it "the big dick". Because it's in the shape of an obalysk. It's in the town Montevideo Minnesota. The actual surrender site is a couple miles west of town.

There is only war...

@donkonkem6130

2 жыл бұрын

cant it wait till the far future?

It is remarkable that US Army was able to do so much activity in the west during the Civil War.

Thought this thumbnail was ERB

The more i learn of the treatment of the First Peoples.... I'm just.... Where the fuck do we even begin in righting things when the reservation system was made less to give these people something of their own and more or less legally enshrined concentration camps?

@politesse3914

2 жыл бұрын

Mostly, with generations of patience, creativity, and a willingness to color both in and outside the lines painted by a biased and inconsistent legal system.

@MrCrabguy

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking as a foreigner looking in and correct me if im wrong but, it seems that the indian genocide is generally pretty underrepresented in American education.

@politesse3914

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrCrabguy Certainly. Because our system is not as heavily standardized as some other nations are, particular teachers and schools will go into different levels of detail. One might get "lucky" and have a very honest teacher somewhere along the way. I was. But in general, it's not uncommon to find that the period after the Southeastern Removal is treated extremely vaguely, and in particular, the reality local to the student's home region is almost never discussed.

One of my ancestors fought natives for the union in the Oregon territory during the Civil war

@xp8969

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nollic15 that sarcasm's dripping thick

@singletona082

2 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity, any letters or other material from their time survive, or just a name, birthdate, and such on a list of who was in such and such company of troops?

"It's always about the Indians isn't it Lisa" Bart Simpson

Suprise you didn't talk about some Native tribes fighting with the South.

@OldHeathen1963

2 жыл бұрын

@Tired Ox Many owned slaves... Did they not 🤔🇺🇸

@tiredox3788

2 жыл бұрын

@@OldHeathen1963 Yeah they did.

@ecurewitz

2 жыл бұрын

Another story for another time

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

I've thought of doing an episode on the different types of unfree labor, which would include a large part about Indian slavery, but i have no idea how to draw people to the topic. I have my lecture notes to script it quickly, but it seems like a video doomed to obscurity. Might make my slavery lecture into a video though. I wanna give it in-person another time this semester before recording though

@DJosAmmel

2 жыл бұрын

Cyfer's premise was "Greater Reconstruction," which he said in the beginning requires decentering the South.

Pardon me, but wasn't the Indians massacred at Sand Creek mostly Arapaho tribe, with only a handful of Cheyenne, if any?

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

Other way around, mostly Cheyenne

Greater reconstruction, ah that would be wiping out the plains Indians.

Thank God you still call it American Indians. Most Indians dislike the terms native Americans.

@singletona082

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a bit out of the loop. So, apologies. I'd thought it was First Peoples or American Indians being preferred and native americans being more of a 'meh.' Would appreciate feedback and input.

@pennyforyourthots

2 жыл бұрын

@@singletona082 i imagine it varies quite a bit. Canadian tribes seem at least accepting of "first nations", but tribes in the USA seem to prefer indian American, and im sure there are splits between tribes and within tribes.

@Pretermit_Sound

2 жыл бұрын

@@pennyforyourthots I think you mean American Indian? Indian American usually refers to someone from India who came to America.

@SooLocksmith

2 жыл бұрын

It really depends, preference varies from person to person and to a lesser extent geographically. Best practice is to use "Indian," "Native," or "Indigenous" (always being careful with "First Nation" -- it's a Canadian legal category and is only really used by historians when describing Indigenous groups after their relevant treaty was signed) as a general term when needed, but to use the specific federation, nation, or group name (Lakota, Lenape, Anishinaabe, etc.) whenever possible -- which is exactly what TCH does here.

@ecurewitz

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pretermit_Sound it’s easy to confuse the two, part of why “Native American” became a popular term

The day America decided that it wouldn't be the greatest nation ever is when it gave up on reconstruction(the Great Betrayal).

Boy I wish the natives won all their battles against the settler colonists 😔

It kind of feels like the name of Americans haven't screwed over how many times

What tribe did CA wipe out??

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

The Yahi

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Ironic that his last name is literally West…inherent bias?!?!

I honestly feel that if any form of healing in this country can happen, reparations have to be put into action

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

Reparations are already in place for Amerindians. Learn their history before campaigning to "heal" it

@guyguy7634

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian any links you can share so you can share more? I’m learning some history on my own

@CynicalHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

@@guyguy7634 there's an absolute ton of books i could recommend, so instead, here's a bibliography i keep - check out the section labeled "Indian policy": docs.google.com/document/d/1o-NK65q4F-6S2QmMvUXlmNlwtmOfmB2FwGA7yOr5syI/edit?usp=drivesdk

@guyguy7634

2 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian thank you!

If they're actually treated like an enemy country, as in the Confederacy, they'd do well!

It's important to learn that during our conflicts with American Indians, no one was really innocent. Both sides committed atrocities. It seems to me that people simplify westward expansion to just white Easterners massacring natives, but they miss out on how there were multiple things that caused (but didn't justify) retaliation from the US.

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As a native American and a member of the Fort Peck Tribes the more I hear about our American history the more I wonder if the country can make good on its past Equality is still reserved for the rich and powerful white man.

@TannerWilliam07

2 жыл бұрын

Our past includes Indian, not "Native American". The government tried to kill the Indian to save the man, I'll always be Indian.

@yoloswaggins7121

2 жыл бұрын

@@TannerWilliam07 Who cares? Also, Indians are from India. We should come up with a new etymologically sound name for Native Americans

@stephenjenkins7971

Жыл бұрын

As an Afro Hispanic American, I don't think the US will do anything for people who don't care for its ideals to begin with. Hispanic Americans are growing in power, and they're nowhere near as liable to help out Native Americans.

Little Big Horn was an American Victory.

"Indians": REMAMBOR TEH BATTUL OV LITTUL BIG HORN???!!1 Me: Oh, you won *a* battle, how many wars have you won? "Indians": ........UR RAYSUST!!!1

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