You should also check out our R9 7950X Eco Mode testing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWqVrbNmlaWsm5M.html

@BBWahoo

Жыл бұрын

*takes deep sniff of your hair* Smells like fresh silicon.

@willanderson5366

Жыл бұрын

Really disappointed that the editor didn't put an FPS counter on screen during the Rainbow Six Siege portion of this review.

@kaisersolo76

Жыл бұрын

Which chipset driver did you use for the 5800x3d. I ask because a new chipset driver became available for my AM4 MSI B550 Unify on MSI Product support page and its revision number is the same as the new AM5 chipset driver with x3d optimisation. I'm just wondering if there any improvements for 5800x3d

@iamdmc

Жыл бұрын

so for 4K gaming there's still no point going above a 13th gen i5 or AMD R5 7000?

@DVDfeverGames

Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised we didn't see any 4K FPS results for gaming. I'm looking to buy the 7900X3D, but even with the 7950X3D, the 4K is what's important to me. How many people are regularly gaming in 1080p when they don't have to? Can you update your pinned comment with 4K results, please?

The FPS chart on the FPS was my favourite anaylis of a chart, ever.

@GamersNexus

Жыл бұрын

Effing high FPS FPS!

@christophermullins7163

Жыл бұрын

Steve breaks the monotony of all the numbers. His sarcasm is god level.

@eliadbb9634

Жыл бұрын

i guess you havnt seen the X`es chart? amazing work =D

@Dorraj

Жыл бұрын

That freaking game has so much fps at this point I don't mind him memeing the charts every time

@marekciostek1458

Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus Coil whine generator on GPU XD

I'm sure that AMD pushed back the R7 7800X3D because it will destroy the sales of the two other 3D parts.

@ThaAlumniMusicGroup

Жыл бұрын

Obviously

@TheDiner50

Жыл бұрын

Yes. But to be fair for Linux or whatever where your expected to be technical and have use for 8+ cores. I adore the idea of 8cores for games/cache applications. And 8cores dedicated with a extra + 8 lower clocked cores for compute tasks. Basically AMD uses big cores right now as there E-cores. And good on them for making something that good. But mainstream? Gamers? 5600(nonx), 5700x, 5800x3d, 7700x, 7800x3d. And Intel if they manage to deliver a value option or AMD is garbage. It depends really on AMD now. If the idea of free RAM and discounts on CPU and motherboards are not a sign of AMD failures then I do not know what else to say. I do like to mention how distasteful it is that AM5 launched with no real marketing about ECO mode. Did not ditch old coolers for better thermal dissipation benefits. Basically Ryzen 7000 is just Ryzen 5000 with the power usage of Intel. And bigger cache. PCIE 5.0 that is useless and almost DDR5 is also completely useless. And a premium for all of it that when there are 5700x and 5800x3d out there already with huge discounts on AM4 stuff. And since there is NO GPU out there worth buying that actually is bottlenecked by a 5700x. Let alone 5800x3d. AMD's biggest problem is AMD. Like ALLWAYS. Every single time outside of Ryzen 2000-5000 or something.

@xuyukun123

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDiner50 personally I'd love a 7900X3D cos I do computer science and I can actually use the more cores, but I also game on the same machine

@sunderkeenin

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDiner50 DDR5 is starting to look pretty decent and does show performance benefits, but it has definitely been a rough launch. That's why I'm just kind of waiting for the 7800X3D to decide how interested I am in a platform upgrade. Zen 4 has been selling badly and it sure has been deserved. AMD is just focusing on Epyc right now.

@AronHallan

Жыл бұрын

Equivalent performance for less money, they know that. They want you to FOMO and buy what is available which is the more expensive models.

Thanks for keeping the R5 3600 on the charts. It reminds me how anemic my system is

@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST

Жыл бұрын

😄

@badhusband1902

Жыл бұрын

it's only anemic when you have a 4090 installed otherwise not really lmao

@lolowski6826

Жыл бұрын

Cries in R5 1600....

@ScrewFearMe

Жыл бұрын

I wonder where the 8700k would be on this chart.

@rerako4755

Жыл бұрын

im honestly wondering where my i5 10400 is on the chart... due for a upgrade after I've installed a gifted 3080 on it.

I'd absolutely LOVE to see an in-depth undervolt + curve optimizer w/ PBO video with the new 3D CPUs, and how efficient boosts can get with your guys' expertise. It'd be a really cool educational video for how CPUs achieve higher boosts efficiently nowadays, too, for those who have been out of the game a bit and are just used to throwing more volts around.

Thanks for getting this review out right at the embargo time! Hope the team enjoyed their Winter break!

@GamersNexus

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for being patient while we had fewer uploads the last few weeks! It's been good to get back up to speed!

@slyceth

Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus i dont have anymore patience for your other 4090 brand reviews!!

@stupiddog79

Жыл бұрын

@@GamersNexus The speed with which you can fire "FPS" is definitely impressive!

Workstation user here. I appreciate you clearing up everything and giving your honest recommendation. I didn’t know if the extra cache was worth it and I got my answer. Keep up the great work.

@GamersNexus

Жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear it helped!

@rhadiem

Жыл бұрын

Same, sounds like perhaps Intel may be the route for workstation focus unless they do some optimization, or you have a very heavy gpu load which perhaps could benefit from the cache.

@DerMannInDerWand

Жыл бұрын

I have seen numbers that suggest machine learning tasks would profit from large amounts of cache, so that might be one niche production workload where this one excels

@boltsky1

Жыл бұрын

Only issue I've seen with Intel on the workstation front has been virtualization, specifically VMWare. It sounds like Workstation can't differentiate between E-cores and P-cores. My buddy's i5 system choked trying to run his usual VM. It's been surprising since they've had a year to figure it out with 12th gen. Would be curious to hear if anyone hasn't had this issue.

@sethdouglas2765

Жыл бұрын

What was the answer?

What I like about this channel compared to other is that you give us detail and logic behind your awsners. Most channels just do benchmarks and be like "buy this or buy that" but you tell us the fine details behind everything about why this would work this way compared to X for example. As an I.T analyst it helps me understand more about PC hardware and why certain things preform the way they do.

That power efficiency chart was really interesting. Comparing power draw to time needed to complete a task makes sense but I hadn't considered it before. Going forward it might even be something that can be a deciding factor in the future when determining relative performance.

@DrowningInTea

Жыл бұрын

Techpowerup has always made performance per watt and performance per dollar charts in their reviews. I always check their reviews for this reason.

I really appreciate the 1% and 0.1% lows in the charts, especially the discussion about 'prefer frequency'. Too often people look at average FPS as their only metric. If you have a 120hz monitor, a stable 120fps is far better than something that fluctuates from 100 to 150.

@arthurwintersight7868

Жыл бұрын

"125 FPS average" with 1% lows of 115 FPS versus "150 FPS average" with 1% lows of 70 FPS.

@GraveUypo

Жыл бұрын

i actually mostly look at 1% lows. averages are meaningless. what matter to me is "does it drop from the frame rate i want?" .1% lows are equally meaningless, because the amount of data necessary for this to be statistically relevant would mean that a .1% low of 60fps needs a benchmark 3 hours long. a 60 second benchmark with an average of 100 fps literally only uses 6 frames to calculate .1% lows. that's... meaningless. i wish people would use 5% lows instead.

@elec123

Жыл бұрын

I look at them all at once and fail to comprehend anything

@Tsomaia

4 ай бұрын

Never thought about it, thanks!

@Tsomaia

4 ай бұрын

@@GraveUypothat’s great insight, thanks!

This just makes the 5800X3D seem like an even better value than it already was. I"ll definitely be upgrading to one soon after seeing this video.

@Magjee

Жыл бұрын

It has 1080ti-esque staying power

@savagej4y241

Жыл бұрын

AMD accidentally made the 5800X3D too good, it just keeps cannibalizing Zen 4 sales lol

You should add a flight sim to the benchmark like MSFS or DCS, the 3d's absolutely slay those titles.

@VirtualAirTour

Жыл бұрын

That would certainly be more interesting that comparing games achieving over 500fps.

@GameBacardi

Жыл бұрын

doupt

@volvo09

Жыл бұрын

@@VirtualAirTour the numbers look silly, but it's purposely creating a CPU bottleneck. You want the GPU to be irrelevant. If a flight sim can create a CPU bottleneck then it would be a good addition, but if it acts like cyberpunk and maxes out the GPU then it's not too informative, all it tells you is if you have enough CPU or not, and anything past that is like a brick wall of pretty much identical numbers as the CPU waits for the GPU.

@rustler08

Жыл бұрын

@@VirtualAirTour I like how people make videos to explain why they do it, people refuse to watch it, then just come to the comment section and complain about it

@jamesm568

Жыл бұрын

Those simulators actually use all the CPU cores too. Something that made the 5800X3D suffer a little on those titles.

I am still impressed by the 5800X3D and it's "refusal" to let the older AM4 chipset hold it back.

@platinums99

Жыл бұрын

€315 right now, seems like a bargain.

@techpappee

Жыл бұрын

Agree. I’m considering getting one instead of a platform upgrade.

@bladeoflucatiel

Жыл бұрын

@@platinums99 Where? I guess I will just sell my 5600 get a 5800x3D and be done for the next 3 years.

@iikatinggangsengii2471

Жыл бұрын

yeah guess its sort of gift for am4 buyers

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

Way too expensive vs the i7-12700K.

Great and really detailed review,Steve ! However would have really liked to see the boosting behaviour of that monster . Like was it really 5.7 GHz single core or not , what was all-core boost frequency , all unparked core boost frequency and maybe how boost frequency changed in light-threaded (1-4 threads/cores) applications . Obviously I don't expect it to boost as much as 7950x since Tj max and TDP are lower with the same manufacturing node but still would have been intresting for future comparisons with other 7000 X3Ds when you'll finally get them .

its been a minute since I've seen one of your videos and I gotta say your lighting has definitely improved. Much appreciated

what a time to be alive, the r5 3600 and i3 12100 give out over 150 fps and we're looking at 700$ cpus for 300 fps . we need a channel to test more old chips against these results

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

Жыл бұрын

It is certainly a good time to buy a CPU, 6 cores 12 threads for 100-150$, 96MB cache for 360$ and 14 cores for 300-350$. Just amazing.

@rhadiem

Жыл бұрын

Just wait, there will be a time very soon (10 years) where nearly everything is realtime raytraced at human eye resolution. It will be reality-bending, if it's not already.

@Fractal_32

Жыл бұрын

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat definitely, I’m so sick and tired of people complaining about new high end products being expensive for gaming when you can go on last generation for cheaper and get a good portion of the performance as the new stuff. On example of this is how I got a RX 6600 for $185 on Amazon, that card can run most games perfectly fine at 1080p and probably 1440p. (I haven’t tested it since I run a RX 6700 XT.) That RX 6600 would probably be perfectly fine for >50% of the community to play games on. (Albeit without Raytracing, but that’s a gimmick/marketing tool to sell new cards anyways.)

@waifuhunter9709

Жыл бұрын

@@Fractal_32 i say it even fine for 90% of games at 1080p ( witjout RT of course) But its just a nitpick . Who cares. I agree with everything you said

@turk88

Жыл бұрын

sure except for the GPU problem..

The only KZreadr providing crucial FPS FPS data to consumers. Bravo

@geiers6013

Жыл бұрын

GN and Hardware unboxed are both good.

@ghomerhust

Жыл бұрын

it's too bad that nobody else cares about the FPS in FPS games to the point where they will highlight the FPS in the FPS as much as this FPS chart full of high FPS FPS games.

@BtappinHD

Жыл бұрын

Hardware Unboxed is the best when it comes to FPS data

@Dark.Syndicate

Жыл бұрын

Why do people even like these stupid comments?? Only Utuber? What a TERRIBLE statement!! Hardware unboxed, paul's hardware, der8auer, some others? nobody remembers them before liking such horrible comments, I'm surprised.

@DeeSnow97

Жыл бұрын

even an AMD FX CPU has higher FPS in current FPS games than the IQ of some of these replies, lol

Great review! Thank you for including 5950x and 5800x3d in all your charts. I have been planning to get into video editing for Autocross this year and have been leaning towards upgrading to a 5950x from a 3700x instead of jumping to a 7950x, but maybe the x3D model might be a more balanced option for how I use my computer… I’ll have to think on it.

@savagej4y241

Жыл бұрын

It depends. The 5950X is far better than the 5800X3D for video editing, and depending on the game, you may or may not see a difference. If its anything with a lot going on all at once like MMO's or simulators, then that would tip the scales for the X3D. But if its single player titles, honestly there's not much difference.

@gamingallday9225

Жыл бұрын

I'm getting the 7950X3D due to less power usage, runs cooler. The extra 100 dollar is nothing compared to everything else.

@thisismikeyb

Жыл бұрын

@@gamingallday9225 It’s crazy to think $100 is a drop in the bucket, but it’s the market we are in now.

*i love you PC Jesus*

@kingkezz9188

Жыл бұрын

tech jesus*

@lmaoxd7851

Жыл бұрын

imagine getting a Jesus themed pc build video

@juanyanez755

Жыл бұрын

Lmaooo

@YamiMajic

Жыл бұрын

“He gave us his only begotten son, Steve, to highlight every sin caused by tech companies.” -Corsairs, 4:20

@SirGingerOfKnight

Жыл бұрын

@@YamiMajic if this isn't already a copypasta it deserves to be

Steve and GN's entire team frigging rule. This is the best video covering the 7950X3D in great detail. You're simply the best, dudes!

Would love to see the 7950X3D's performance on streaming. E.g. Tarkov is benefiting from 3D cache massively. If you assign the v-cache-less 8 cores exclusively to OBS while plaing on those with 3D-Cache this would propably make a great single PC streaming set-up. like having a 5800X3D and 7700X in one

@TheHighborn

Жыл бұрын

yeah this. If one ccd is basically shot, while you game & can't stream IE like it pretends it's just 8 cores, this CPU makes no sense whatsoever. This is the reason why I wanted to buy it

@alexandern5296

Жыл бұрын

@@TheHighborn same. I was hoping we would get best of both worlds but looks like the ccd with out the vcache is disabled while under gaming load. What if I want to multitask or stream while I'm gaming, I hope there's a way around this with future updates. if not then I'm just gonna wait for the 7800x3d not paying $700 for a cpu that turns into an 8 core while I'm gaming.

@prman9984

Жыл бұрын

Now that's a reason to use Process Lasso.

@alexandern5296

Жыл бұрын

@@prman9984 I'm not familiar with process lasso, how will that help?

@MrAw3sum

Жыл бұрын

It can pin process to cpu core

3:12 I'm with Jeremy. When they first announced that the 7800 would be a month later, my immediate thought was that they were going after the people who were looking at getting a 7800 but want to build NOW and once the 7900/7950 are out they'll be impatient and fork over the extra cash.

@eliadbu

Жыл бұрын

Defenitly a cash grab, the usual tactic of releasing the more expensive part and later the more value oriented product.

@garyb7193

Жыл бұрын

@@eliadbu True, AMD decided to please their shareholders at the expense of early adopters who's always willing to pay more. The real treat will be for those willing to wait 5 short weeks for the value-oriented product.

@devilmikey00

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's capitalizing on fomo 100%.

@Mood_Gaming

Жыл бұрын

Yes and that's why I'm grabbing the 13900k now.

@JackRR15

Жыл бұрын

That was me but comments made me stick it up for another month. Not like if I don't have a PC right now, wanted to upgrade platform for issues and future proofing.

Many thanks for the compilation breakdown, and power consumption charts ! To (very) few of us that data actually matters, so again - THANKS !

Very informative as usual, keep up the great work Steve! :)

The only place I trust for in-depth, honest, reliable reporting these days. Thanks GN for your hard work and taking the time to go a step beyond what other outlets do.

Can't wait to see this monster's performance in ACC. It's by far the game that takes the most advantage of the 3D V-cache. As for the 5800X3D. I fall in love over and over again every single day when i use it. Just yesterday found out that in my country it outsells the rest of the CPUs in the top 10 spots COMBINED. The sales of 9 models of CPUs can't beat the sales of the 5800X3D. AMD really struck gold with this one.

@raptor1672

Жыл бұрын

Hardware Unboxed included ACC in it's video on this cpu,

@Valefor61

Жыл бұрын

From hardware unboxed, the performance seems almost the same

@ismaelsoto9507

Жыл бұрын

​​@@Valefor61 And it's kinda weird considered that Zen 4 has an 13% +/- IPC improvement, double L2 Cache and higher clocks compared to Zen 3 :/

@rvman3359

Жыл бұрын

I will never regret buying my 5800X3D. Great price for awesome performance and I saved a boat load of money by not upgrading everything else. Thanks AMD

@JackRR15

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao what is ACC??

30:19 just wanted to say I thought the CPUs resting in that keyboard was a nice touch. Great review, as expected.

Thanks for the video! I would be very much interested in seeing what the options are in regards to "unofficial" overclocking, should motherboards with those features become available. Same with curve optimisations.

I get reminded of the old powermac machines that had aftermarket CPU drop-in upgrades. It required a driver - to turn on additional cores and scheduling for them - else the machine would run in a single core, underclocked state. I kind of feel nostalgic for needing a proper driver to run faster instructions.

@ANSWERTHECALLOFJESUSCHRIST

Жыл бұрын

🙄 😁👍

@PoulWrist

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me more of back in the Windows 2000/XP/Vista era, where you most certainly had to install your chipset driver or your system would run at 5% of its performance.

Thanks for this! I'm super keen to see how this performs on Linux, I think there will be some great usecases for the higher cache. Also excited about the stacked dram and how that''ll go. Thanks as always for showing code compiling benchmarks, I usually go to phoronix for that as well, user benchmarks there are pretty good, though their main review is also good.

@sm1rks

Жыл бұрын

Seeing how the scheduling works with Xbox game bar, potentially it could be not great on Linux?

@alksonalex186

Жыл бұрын

@@sm1rks I'm sorry, but what game bar has to do with scheduling?

@prman9984

Жыл бұрын

@@sm1rks That's the beauty of Linux. You can write a new scheduler yourself. :)

@applmango

Жыл бұрын

@@alksonalex186 It's mentioned in the video that when game bar detects a game, it turns off the extra cores, boosting performance.

@Hugh_I

Жыл бұрын

According to phoronix, there are no kernel patches from AMD yet that change scheduling behavior. Benchmarks look still good though, 16% on avg over the 7950X in gaming. It is also easy to manually assign processes to cores (taskset in the console). Should be possible to add that to launch options in Steam and find the optimum placement for each game yourself. Though would be nice to know if AMD is working on the schedular.

OMG Steve. Your logic around FPS is starting to feel and sound like lickable wallpaper. thanks

Something that would be nice is if for an example in Ryzen Master, we could say which program you want to run on the part of the chip with the stacked cache, and which part you prefer to run on the part with the higher clocks, or if you don't mind and might let it run however it might find it being the most convenient option.

Great work GN team. Always delivering the best hardware reviews.

The lower power consumption compared to the i9-13900K is insane. Intel is literally consuming twice the power for the same or minor difference in performance.

@sb5253

Жыл бұрын

Ye it’s awesome on load, but intel is way better at idle afaik. Idk what to get atm…. Probably wait for the 7800x3d

@shootingstar7896

Жыл бұрын

What a shame for Intel. Which has 10x employees as much as AMD. But still can't beat AMD at all.

@oxfordsparky

Жыл бұрын

For the vast majority of its use the Intel cpu will be using a lot less power. For typical users power consumption testing needs to be done during an actual workload, obviously if your using the cpu to do rendering or something then the likes of blender makes sense as a comparison, not so much for gamers.

@changliu7346

Жыл бұрын

@@sb5253 really depends on what you do and what’s cheap at the time

@GewelReal

Жыл бұрын

@@sb5253 13600K vs 7800X3D will be a very tough choice

Great review! Thank you GN

I like how the cable in the sponsored case pops its head out to say hi at 1:23

Thank you Steven and team for your honesty and transparency. Can't wait for your review of the 7800X3D.

I love these bits. Be it announcing announcements or fps fps about the high fps.

I'm learning a ton watching your channel thanks so much. I never understood what Xbox game bar really did nor did I understand how the power profile is designed for. I wanna say on my 5800x3d I was running game bar off with a performance power profile. Not sure if the older platform matters for that but now I know. 👍👍

Great info as always! Would love to see WZ2 on the charts... but I'm sure there's good reasons for not including it.

You do not know how much i was waiting for this review. Thank you Steve.

@christophermullins7163

Жыл бұрын

*Thanks Steve

@luxemier

Жыл бұрын

so can everyone start talking about the massive disappointment amd has been this year? in both gpus and cpus they cant keep up with competition. even after releasing their top end cpu for gaming specifically it still loses in some games to the cheaper 13900k 😂take the L

@magnushlund

Жыл бұрын

@@luxemier not really a surprise. thats how 3D v-cache works. some games use the extra cache and some doesnt. this isnt a surprise. I wouldnt really say this is taking the L. It will probably get even better, with bios updates. possibly.

@christophermullins7163

Жыл бұрын

@@luxemier obv a fanboi. Always people talking about the loses when there are just as many wins. You just look at the numbers that you want to believe in don't you? I have zero allegiance.. I do however see through the shill bullshit.

@Angel7black

Жыл бұрын

@@luxemier it loses to an OC’d or higher ram mhz 13900K too. Prob a 13700K too. You have to remember you cant OC X3D or its stuck with 6000mhz ram at best while you can throw 8000mhz on a 13900K if youre willing to spend that much. This cpu is pointless, if you need thw extra cores buy a cheaper 13900K or 7950X

Dying laughing coming over from Optimum's review, very stoic and straight to the point.. versus Steve instantly hitting us with The 7950x3d lookin a lil sus 😳

The extra efficiency is one of the most interesting aspects to me. Maintaining the similar performance while cutting power would be very nice for reducing noise.

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

It depends, because if your workload is lightly threaded, Intel is using Big-Little. My i7-12700K draws 5 watts at iddle and the i5-13600K draws 3 watts. The medium for power efficency goes down on premiere pro, photoshop, and other similar programs. I recommended a friend a 5900X for blender and similar 3D stuff a long time ago. I have my i7-12700K for music production needs with a Corsair 5000D and a Deepcool Assassin 3, it's more silent than my refrigerator.

@cakedon

Жыл бұрын

aaand would be Europe-friendly :)

@Maschine_Elf

10 ай бұрын

Especially for me producing audio in a studio enviroment, it really is EVERYTHING.

Thanks for the video! Feeling good about buying the 7900X3D to go with my watercooled 4080.

Thanks for this. Even though my common load (Factorio as a game mainly) favors the 3D cache very heavily (usually 5800X3D at least on par or better with 13900KS) I don't see a reason to do a whole system upgrade yet (which a switch from AM4 to AM5 would mean), for the 10-20% performance gain the 7950X3D got over the 5800X3D at that cost.

@TheGuruStud

Жыл бұрын

OC 5800x3d, problem solved.

@OGPatriot03

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGuruStud Don't OC it, use the automatic per core curve optimizer. That did wonders for my 5800x and in reviews it does wonders for the 7950x3D, so I assume the same applies to 5800x3D. Temps go down and clock speeds go up in 1 click.

nothing better than start the morning with this review

Thanks, great review, as usual.

While I personally expect similar results to the production software testing, I would be curious to see the performance metrics when playing games and streaming using OBS Studio. It seems to have the effect of concentrating power, but still, effectively disabling half of your cores for a game seems like it would obliterate performance when using games in a multitasking workload.

Could you throw in tests for simulation type games? Factorio for example has benchmarks which are not based on fps and it is a very cpu bound game. Would be interesting to see benchmarks for very cpu heavy games with this CPU.

@ThePlebicide

Жыл бұрын

Hardware Unboxed has factorio data in their testing.

@atriusvinius319

Жыл бұрын

How many FPS do you need in Factorio?) It has simple graphics and the game is not demanding. You can play it on weak CPU and GPU without problems.

@Daeyae

Жыл бұрын

​@atriusvinius319 its not fps is basically "turn time" like civ he means

@prman9984

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePlebicide But they do FPS instead of turn time, missing the point.

@raiguard

Жыл бұрын

​@@atriusvinius319The point isn't fps, the point is scalability. The 3d vcache processors can build much bigger bases before your UPS (updates per second) starts to drop. Factorio is memory latency bottlenecked, so the enormous cache helps a ton.

Holy smokes .. seems the 7950X3D would be a massive upgrade from my 3900X. I'm really tempted, because i can utilise the extra cores (compared to a 7800X3D) for code compiling as a Programmer.

@Jimmys_TheBestCop

Жыл бұрын

But you need a new motherboard and ram. At that point get a i9 13900k it's way cheaper and better overall.

@Takyodor2

Жыл бұрын

​@Jimmys TheBestCop It's not better overall, check the charts.

@Jimmys_TheBestCop

Жыл бұрын

@@Takyodor2 it's better at price, production and vast majority of games it's basically exactly same. So sounds like it's better over all. Microcenter has 13900k at $520 why buy this at $700. Makes no sense

@mikem2253

Жыл бұрын

Why not go 5800x3d? Keep your AM4 board.

@Angel7black

Жыл бұрын

Just get a 13900K or 7950X for cheaper instead.the cache barely makes a realistic difference

I would love for a comparison of these kinds of performances at 4k, since it seems that graphics cards are at unreasonably high fps at 1080 p to the point that it is comedically unmeaningful.

30:12 This is doing what it's supposed to do in gaming, indeed! Keep up the good work!

You guys should add spider man remastered/miles morales to the testing mix. Very cpu intensive games, particularly with ray tracing turned on. They seem to become throttled with memory bandwidth because ddr5 has big performance gains. Would be interesting to see if the 3d chips help with the bandwidth. Cyberpunk rt can be the same way

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

L3 cache of course boosts bandwidth. The 5800X3D can beat an i7-12700K with DDR4 in a game, only when you pair the 12700K or 12900K with DDR5 that you offset the cache difference. Also, the iGPU on my i7-12700K is basicaly twice as fast with DDR5 vs DDR4. Considering that the 7950X3D has an iGPU, it would be interesting watching the boost for the iGPU with the 3D cache tech combined with DDR5 bandwidth.

More compute intensive games would be nice to see, like Anno, Civ6, or Factorio

@eurogaming1456

Жыл бұрын

Factorio could be nice, but it doesn't have a benchmark option unlike Civ6. Would make it a bit more difficult to benchmark. Maybe someone could make a mod or scenario script to benchmark random shit like biters/ trains pathing?

@aurunemaru

Жыл бұрын

@@eurogaming1456 a benchmark mod would totally help, apart from that letting a typical mega base running at a set time should be feasible

Great stuff! Can't wait to see how the 7900x3d plays out. Would love to see some tests from different games too. Stellaris late-game, modded Skyrim and Minecraft. I get the cyberpunk bench, but it's not all people play!

@Vinterloft

Жыл бұрын

They didn't sample 7900X3D to reviewers because it's effectively a $600 6-core for games, heading off the $100 per core memes

The CCD priority problem could be easily fixed by Microsoft if they just added an option to tag programs, you could tag the game executables as "games" and the OS would assign the correct cores, but Microsoft doesnt want to give power to the users, you can assign cores to applications from the task manager, but it gets reseted every time

I was curious: How would 3D V-cache work in Davinci Resolve (Puget has a benchmark for this as well) given its optimization for GPU accelerated tasks? The constellation of GPU accelerated tasks, Smart Access Memory, and 3D Cache, the results would be interesting (or at least worthy of exploration). Thanks for the great review Steve!

I would love to see some multitasking benchmarks for these high core count CPUs. For example streaming would be interesting to see the game running on the P/3D cores and encoding on the E/High Frequency cores. Also I've noticed that doing CPU intensive stuff like rendering has a surprisingly low impact on game performance when you lower their priority in task manager or process lasso, so that would be interesting to see as well.

@darkl3ad3r

Жыл бұрын

At that point, assuming core affinity is setup properly, it would be the equivalent of two separate 8 core 16 thread CPUs being smashed together and working at the same time. Basically a two-in-one package.

@EVPointMaster

Жыл бұрын

@@darkl3ad3r Well ideally yes, but more resources are shared than just the CPU cores. So game perfomance would be impacted regardless, the question is just how much.

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

Intel implemented Thread Scheduler and telemetry on the CPU, it will beat AMD for multitasking. There no more CPU intensive task than a digital audio workstation, i was running FL Studio 20 with 48 extremely CPU intensive tracks with synthesizers and effects or overall 100% CPU usage at an audio latency of 1.6 ms (like running a game at 690fps), while running two 4K videos on the background and the audio doesn't stutter. I don't even have a graphics card on my PC, audio is 100% bottlenecked by RAM and CPU.

@runninginthe90s75

Жыл бұрын

If AMD nexus did it then Intel will absolutely makes amd zen 4 looks pathetic. I'm not making things up but OptimumTech already did this with Alder Lake and it destroys every Amd chip in comparison. It just sad to see how the so called "trusted" channel like this one tend to be biased toward Amd because they often showed Amd advantages but non about Intel.

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

@@runninginthe90s75 "non about Intel" Exactly. I called out Steve for his AMD bias on the i7-11700K review (unlike the i9-11900K, this is actually a good chip).

Cant wait for microcenter bundles for these that include memory and/or motherboard with CPU... It is crazy how they do 32GB memory, ROG Strix Motherboard and 7900x for $600. Wondering/hoping they do deals with these. Just might get me to upgrade from my 3900x setup.

@PoulWrist

Жыл бұрын

Why bother upgrading if you have a fancy rig like that already? You could just slot a 5800x3d in if you want a close-enough upgrade.

1:22 i just love the red cable that pops out!

I've been waiting for this review, to see how it fares against the 7950X. My workload is part productivity (Premiere Pro, After Effects, Handbrake and Topaz Video Enhance) and part gaming. It looks like the more flexible option for my use case is going to be the regular 7950X. And currently cheaper too. Thank you for the review.

@prman9984

Жыл бұрын

Make sure you use Game Mode in Ryzen Master to make your 7950X to run like a 7700X on GN charts when gaming. Just one click. And a click and a reboot to go back to productivity.

@meson183

Жыл бұрын

@@prman9984 Thanks

@cheshirster

Жыл бұрын

You cant be more flexible than 7950X3D cause it has clocks AND cache and it can be prioritized.

@froggo921

Жыл бұрын

@@cheshirster Tbh, at the moment this whole parking while gaming stuff really removes the benefit of having this difference in v3-cores and fast cores. It will hopefully get fixed in the future so you can get the best of both worlds. Also, this thing is like 33% more expensive (at least in EU, dunno about prices elsewhere) than the 7950x and the benefit of the 7950X3D isn't worth that money (atm). One massive benefit of the 7950X3D is the massively reduced power consumption under heavy load (which could make a financial difference on your energy bill :D)

Glad I recently built on the 5800X3D paired with the 4090. Seems like minimal gains for the much higher cost of a new platform. Haven’t played a game that is CPU limited with this setup yet

@deansmits006

Жыл бұрын

That's great! The AMD upgradeability seems to have greatly benefited you.

@froggo921

Жыл бұрын

Try Planetside2, one of the most CPU dependant games out there (basically battlefield with 3 teams instead of 2 and 300 players per team on a huge map with multiple bases). Benefits massively from the extra v-cache. On my R5 2600x it's roughly at 60 fps :( wanna upgrade to one of the new 7000X3Ds once they are all released and more info/updates are present. Also AMD and Microsoft might be able to work around parking the fast cores while gaming in the future. Then the 7950X3D might actually be worth it.

Thanks for the detailed review (as always) @gamersnexus. Are you able to comment if the guidance on memory frequency (and latency) is different for X3D CPUs compared to 'standard' Ryzen 7000 chips?

G'day Steve & Jeremy, 15:03 - 16:08 was Awesome, Jeremy a very well written attempt to trip up Steve, but very good job done by Steve to complete without missing a beat 😂

Can't wait to see the whole stack. This really seems like a CPU for someone that does Production, but also gaming - which is more common nowadays, for sure. But for pure gaming, I'm REALLY excited for the lower SKUs.

@billyberner

Жыл бұрын

If you're not doing heavy rendering or machine learning/AI (highly doubt it cause Quadro and 4000 series cards are ass for gaming). Why would you pay more for AMD when you could get a 13900K for cheaper and almost exactly the same performance except for in LIKE TWO GAMES that no one plays (tomb raider....) Intel is so much better for the consumer right now, they are disrupting the graphics market all while maintaining beastly CPU performance. AMD has become the enemy of the consumer, but go ahead and buy into that....

@rbush83

Жыл бұрын

@@billyberner X3D chips really outshine in flight and racing sims and MMOs. So for people who spend most of their time in those they're a no brainer.

@billyberner

Жыл бұрын

@@rbush83 why would you need above 700 fps in an mmo? Those are the numbers these chips will do in such easy to run games. Wouldn't anything above 277fps be negligible on almost every monitor in the consumer world?

Not a second lost in getting this up hahah. Waiting for the 7800x3D myself.

Great review. I liked the comment about the investors not having played a game since Pac-Man. :D

You can use programs: Prio or Process Lasso to set per application which cores they can use (its saved so only need to do it once, you can experiment with the cores) so no need for bios or other tweaking. And all other program can use the rest of the vores/threas.

I really wish amd made an 7950x3dx2 with both ccds getting the extra cache. That would be incredibly interesting and beneficial for workstation users (per the performance of last gen epyc).

@fajaradi1223

Жыл бұрын

Not enough X's

@rambo64bit82

Жыл бұрын

​@@fajaradi1223 7950X3DX2XX

@OC.TINYYY

Жыл бұрын

They'd have to lower the clocks even more cause 3D 7000 already sucks at heat draw even w/ at low wattage. Not to mention it'd add another $100 to the tag. Sounds great in practice, but it would be worse for most users.

@landwolf00

Жыл бұрын

@@OC.TINYYY Yes, but not for all workloads. Phoronix previously showed many CA he compute workloads greatly benefitting from more cache, with the 5800x3d beating out the 5950x. Ai workloads come to mind.

@OGPatriot03

Жыл бұрын

@@OC.TINYYY I'm sure, but I'd like more options in either case.

I would be super keen to see what tuning can accomplish with these CPUs, would you guys be able to run benchmarks on the 7950x and 7950x3d in both games and productivity with them both tuned with the curve optimiser? it seems efficiency on the x3d is the same as on an equivalent ppt x cpu. brilliant review, thank you so much for going over all the non standard behaviors of these new cpus

This basically really makes me even more interested in the upcoming threadripper pro 7000wx series. They have more cache (not 3d vcache) by default and if they retain similar base & boost speeds as the desktop 7900 series it would be a hands-down win for HEDT as a general use cpu.

@Vinterloft

Жыл бұрын

They have more cache but not more cache per CCD usually, meaning neglible effect for games. (Except Star Citizen, the only game that can use 64 threads) And they didn't sample 7900X3D to reviewers because it's effectively a $600 6-core for games, heading off the $100 per core memes

@stevekristoff4365

Жыл бұрын

@@Vinterloft games is only partially what I use them for. I need a 'workstation' not a 'game machine'. Mainly use VM's heavily and just 'game' between/waiting on work tasks. So high cycle speed is good for occasional gaming but when 'working' base freq across more cores is important. From what I can see with the X3D chips with cache not off the same ccx you get more latency issues which you would NOT have on a TRP or epyc. Anyway, will see when benchmarks come out. holding my breath. :)

That FPS FPS high FPS had me laughing like an idiot... Great review as always.

It would be interesting to see RT games in cpu benchmarks since it's considered a cpu intensive feature (at least by some).

@saricubra2867

Жыл бұрын

If RT is CPU intensive, let's make the graphics of a game running entirely on a CPU... +20 000 cuda cores wasted for vector math not being used for light rays, let's just use a few CPU cores. Freaking lazy devs.

@predaalex3210

Жыл бұрын

@@saricubra2867 I think the one chip solution is coming but in the distant future, let's say in 20,25 years.

"Hi, I heard you like FPS, so I put FPS in your FPS." Thanks Steve. Great review and fantastic work from you all as always. Like, so much quality!

brilliant as always fellas "thanks Steve"

Hey Steve, Im sure you heard about KSP 2's launch and its insane system requirements. the game is an awful mess right now, but in the future, i think it'd be fantastic to use it as a benchmark for more CPU heavy physics games. A lot of sim players are the people who dump a lot of money into their systems just for a specific game, and those games make interesting test grounds being that they sit somewhere between a workstation task and a game. case and point: -From the Depths (if you crash one boat into another all 8 threads get pegged for a good 5 minuets) -KSP 1 (game has terrible optimization, so its more of a single core test sadly) -Dwarf Fortress (drain the ocean) - X-plane and MS Flight Sim with settings cranked to max for sim realism. it would be nice to see something of the sort added to your benchmark list so we can see how exceptionally CPU heavy or physics based games behave on CPUs.

@FINRaver

Жыл бұрын

Well they are not that insane tbh. They are recommending a 3 year old mid tier CPU and minium a 7 year old mid tier CPU. On the GPU side, its more demanding but i can see the reasoning why and 2060 is 4 years old allready, and franky its not that powerfull, high end or expensive (new one under 300$). You can probably buy used PC that runs KSP2 just fine for 500$.

@attilavs2

Жыл бұрын

@@FINRaver then you clearly didn't play any ksp. The recommended (GPU, cpu probably does even worse) falls appart as soon as you have more than 5 engines at the same time or a few hundred parts, and it happens really quick as soon as you go out of the kerbin SOI

@FINRaver

Жыл бұрын

@@attilavs2 Yeah but i said i understand WHY the game is so DEMANDING. Its doing so many real time calculations on physics at once that it need the computin power of modern CPUs and GPUs. Dude here is complaning that it need so powerfull PC to run the game that they are "insane", wich they even actually arent. You can run the game without 4090 and 13900k. You can play it with mid tier computers. R5 3600/11500 & 2060 isnt mid tier anymore. It was mid tier 4 years ago. You can get PS5/XSX for 500$ and those will run KPS2 just fine. And you can buy used PC parts for 500$ that will roughly match PS5/XSX computing power. Of course you aint going to run it in 4K max settings +100 fps but 1080p/1440p with lower setting for sure.

@attilavs2

Жыл бұрын

@@FINRaver what i mean is that on console or minimum requirements you haven't got a playable experience as soon as you step out of beginner territory, and also ksp1 can litterally run on my 300$ school laptop doing similar physics calculations (smooth 24fps gameplay gang)

@FINRaver

Жыл бұрын

@@attilavs2 yeah i hear you. But the requirments arent that bad considering what the game is actually doing. Its not a shit show like op is saying and you dont need the +3K PC to enjoy it.

I wonder how would 7950x3d perform under combined workloads like gaming + streaming. Assigning that high capacity 3d cache ccd to games and the other one to video encode might make a great single pc streaming setup. Would you mind testing it?

@STaRgaTeBG

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I'm also curious if the parked cores can actually be used by other applications. If not it really does not make much sense because when you game you lose half you cores even if they can be used on other non gaming tasks in the same time.

@joee7452

Жыл бұрын

It probably won't be be as great as you are thinking. If the current "fix" is to park the non-cache cores when gaming, then the option to run games on xcores while doing other things on ycores isn't even an option right now. It will probably run fine, I just wouldn't expect anything "great" compared to the non x3d versions if you try to game and do "x" at the same time. Everything is going to be forced onto the same 8x lower clocked cache cores.

@OzMuGu

Жыл бұрын

@@joee7452 1080p 60hz encoding on x264 6kbit slow preset is achievable even in an 5700x while gaming, so I don't think having a bit slower (by slow i mean lower clocked) but unoccupied cores would have hard time encoding that. I don't know how AMD's new software works but if it's only assigning cores to do the stuff, it would be great. Also, assigning cores manually might also help. That's why we need tests.

@joee7452

Жыл бұрын

​@@OzMuGu I never said it wouldn't work. I said not to expect miracles. They are parking cores. That is disabling their use for the duration of the parking. Now, maybe they are actually doing something else and just using bad terms, but from their explanation, those cores are not available for use while gaming currently so that all the threads are forced onto the cache cores. I am just passing on what AMD's release seems to be saying. Having Windows parking core and then unparking them and putting them to use, then parking again each time a thread is created or continued would introduce a ton of latency at the Windows control level, so I don't see that happening. Remember, part of the issue here is Windows and how it runs. What AMD could do to make it work optimally is stuck with what Windows can actually work with unless they can bypass that and do it at the chip level. I have hope that this is a temporary situation and they will work out a way to have everything usable all the time and just have gaming threads directed to the correct cores. I am just pointing out that currently, that doesn't seem to be the case.

One of the things that i really love about the 5800x3d i have is how well it runs poorly optimized indy games. Going from a 3800x to a 5800x3d more then doubled my FPS (with just a 5700xt) and got rid of almost all stutters in Icarus for example. And the absolute Smackdown the x3d gives everything else in factorio is amazing (which is very wel optimized, but bandwidth limited). I would say that AAA games (like the ones used in this review) aren't even where x3d really shines as a gaming CPU, and it still gives some very good results.

seems like what this really needs is some driver and software optimization work. also i suspect the 7800 is going to be the good buy, and that's the one i'm waiting for.

Im so excited to watch this. Ive been putting off upgrading from a 9900k to 13th gen i7, just to see how the X3D does. Let's go!

@mizz1414

Жыл бұрын

Same here, going from an 8700k here

@thealien_ali3382

Жыл бұрын

I have a x670e and a 7900x and loving it ngl

@rozzbourn3653

Жыл бұрын

im riding my 9900k out for another generation or so.

@techLiteracy_

Жыл бұрын

Using a 7950x rn, if you don’t want memory stability problems then I’d say go with intel

@MikeBeazy

Жыл бұрын

@@rozzbourn3653 I'm waiting until the rest of the X3D chips come out before either getting X3D, or a 13900k, or holding out

What an interesting product, it seems like the extra threads don't really help with gaming workloads and the extra cache doesn't really help with workstation workloads which puts it in a bit of an awkward place of not really making purchasing sense for either of them, especially when 7800x3D launches soon and 7950x already exists. Now it makes more sense as to why a 5950x3D never launched, and makes me wonder why this launched first instead of 7800x3D. This is starting to look a lot like a "we made it because we can lol" type of product.

@runninginthe90s75

Жыл бұрын

DOA CPU from AMD, this cpu cost more than already overpriced R9 7950X, it even worse because AMD need premium Mobo and premium DDR5 to be able to competes with i9-13900K. What a flop LOL

Okay, so I've got a question regarding virtualization. When I run a VM (for example with Hyper-V) with 4 cores in the background. What happens if I start playing a game (on the host itself, not inside the VM)? Will the 4 cores of the VM be moved to the 3D V Cache ones and all the others will be parked? Or will 4 of the non 3d cached cores be kept for the VM? Would be sad to have that many cores but still the VM impacting the games performance because all 8 "normal" cores are being parked.

15:05 my brain hurts now 😳 lol Good vid as always man

Your subtle connotations really do make my day! 'the normal edition'. Indirect humor is always a big indicator of intelligence and character

Amazing review, as always! I’m a little underwhelmed to be honest, though I’m happy there is good competition with Intel now. It’s a win/win for the consumer regardless of what camp you’re in/root for.

Lol the red cord on the Evo wanted to say "Hi" lol

Hmm I'm a little confused regarding the "parked" cores aspect of this. the game gets limited to 8 of the cores, but the remaining cores are kept idle and doing background tasks only? or could you have something like OBS or a demanding program running using the remaining 8 cores?

I would like to see w10vs w11 testing just a short test to see if there’s a difference between the schedulers

@zkilla4611

Жыл бұрын

same.

@merthyr1831

Жыл бұрын

Would be more interesting to see Linux too. Recent kernels have brought a lot of new scheduler changes that should benefit CPU heavy workloads.

@haukikannel

Жыл бұрын

Most likely win 10 results are worse unles these optimizations comes to it one day… 7800x3d is safe bett in win10…

@hectorvivis3651

Жыл бұрын

Didn't watched it yet but level1tech has a vidéo on their Linux channel (level1linux iirc).

@ramonandrajo6348

Жыл бұрын

Me too.

Waiting for that 7900X3D review.

@GamersNexus

Жыл бұрын

Us too! We'll be trying to get one when they launch tomorrow.

@corndog2181

Жыл бұрын

me also

@Aggrofool

Жыл бұрын

7800X3D for me

@E_Sunbro

Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to it! Also interested in seeing if Jeremy's "let's see who will spend $700 before they launch the others!", comment rings true.

Nearly a year later and I still love my 5800X3D purchase

Given how transformative the 5800X3D was for the flight sim community, are there any indications how this new product performs in titles like MSFS or DCS World?

Could AMD work this in a way where other programs can still run on the parked cores? Like discord sharing, OBS, all the background stuff that people run while gaming, not to mention streaming software/overhead.

@travisb2141

Жыл бұрын

this was discussed on the flight sim forums regarding 3rd party apps running alongside MSFS. Such as; Navigraph, SimBrief, Orbx... that sort of thing. I think I remember a user there saying his 7950x3D was using parked cores to run those apps, thereby there was no degradation to the running cores devoted to running the sim. Apparently, this processor is doing a very good job running the sim.

Crazy how close it is to the normal 7950X in production with so much less power

@Hito343

Жыл бұрын

7950X is overtuned out of the box, you are supposed to undervolt it.... whoala, same now.

@prman9984

Жыл бұрын

You can run ECO mode on the 7950X, which is also close the the normal 7950X (about 1%-2%) with so much less power.

@frankguy6843

Жыл бұрын

@@Hito343 Seems like that's the case for just about every product coming out, CPU or GPU, most could benefit from an undervolt. At least my last 2 GPUs, 5700XT and 3080 12GB both benefit, as does my 5800X, though I like to keep my system very quiet so there is definitely some preference in there.

@Hito343

Жыл бұрын

@@frankguy6843 Yeah I do the same, few extra fps are not worth over significantly lower temps and power consumption. Skipping this gen tho, upgraded from 5600 to 5800X, gonna use this as a daily driver/games and also getting 13900K rig for Adobe apps and Handbrake, can just use my fast DDR4 kit and snatch Z690 mobo.

@frankguy6843

Жыл бұрын

​@@Hito343 Yeah I went from a 3600 to 5800X before they announced/released the 5800X3D which was sad lol was thinking about the 7800X3D when it comes out, but having to also upgrade the MOBO and get DDR5 sounds expensive, but it will have to happen eventually...

I feel like steve is the only one who did proper testing here with diabling the other cores and all the updates and xbox game bar

Makes me wonder if it Is time to recompile my entire linux distro and optimize for size so more will fit in the cache? Would love to see some bench marking with something like firefox optimized for size instead of the other compiler optimization flags. My gut tells me that it probably will not be any significant gain in performance though.

Wow the power consumption is such a massive focus for me personally, and seeing it beat the 13900K in a lot of scenarios for about half its power budget is CRAZY! Power has been really expensive in Europe so this is absolutely massive.

@Momfasa

Жыл бұрын

Yup, the same here. Energy prices are sky rocketing and I also need to keep the temps down.

@Safetytrousers

Жыл бұрын

It depends how long per day your CPU is seeing high demand.

@rusparmesan

Жыл бұрын

I think, that depends on a workload. I don't expect 13900K to consume much more power than 7950x when gaming or single-core tasks, for example. Another point is how much time do you use your CPU at max power. I.e. maybe you run blender rendering for 3 hours a day, and 13900k consumes 150w more than 7950x; that's 150Wh*3 of difference per day, 13kWh difference per month. Not an insignificant amount, but if you spend 500+ USD on your CPU, you can probably manage extra electricity cost (roughly 7USD assuming 0.5USD/kWh)

@013nil

Жыл бұрын

Power consumption is big factor for you and you dont know anything about power consumption of 13900K. You are just ignoring the real world scenarios.

@GreatYamatanoOrochi

Жыл бұрын

@@innocentiuslacrim2290 I'm still using my GTX 1080 and it's undervolted. I see no reason to upgrade to anything else since pretty much everything is either a negligible upgrade or the power consumption will have to be higher, and the GPU prices themselves are just disgusting.

This is kind of problematic for me. I was looking forward to these dual CCD chips with 3D Vcache because I wanted to test a number of modded RTS titles that benefit heavily from 12 or more cores in certain scenarios, but only some of the time. It sounds like, despite those games obviously benefitting heavily from leaving the whole CPU on right now, I might actually see a performance hit in those titles? Also games like Death Stranding, I noticed that hitting my 3900x for up to 70% CPU utilization, and I saw similar behavior on my 5950x after upgrading. I hope they get the scheduler sorted out to be CCD-aware because there are probably a lot of workloads that would benefit from it, not just games. I'm still looking forward to seeing how the 7900x3D behaves, what with having more cache per core than the 7950x3D

@CritLoren

Жыл бұрын

it sounds like marking any software as a game in the xbox game bar thing will make it use the cache CCD

I guess this is the time for me to upgrade! From i5-2500k to this. It should be a HUGE upgrade I guess.

based on your description of parked core utilization, would 7950x or 7950x3D make more sense for streaming games on a single PC?

What's really exciting me is how the competition is really bringing out innovation that makes a tangible difference. The fact that Intel had to stop resting on their laurels and come out with the change in architecture that allowed 12th and 13th gen to right the embarrassment that was 11th gen. The fact that AMD had to conceptualize and implement not only their chiplet design but also 3D cache that shows actual performance gains in gaming at the very least. If they can somehow find away for the extra v-cache to be leverage in areas outside of gaming then that'll be a true game-changer for sure.