Power draw would have been the most interesting part in this comparison.

@eTeknix

7 ай бұрын

Got that in both of our day 1 reviews for these chips but will keep it in mind for future head to head videos.

@steadyclouds4614

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, the ryzen hitting same performance with lower power draw and being a year old compared to this chip was the point I made too. Wattage matters for price to me because PSU. Also brought up the new intel arc drivers with 750% performance boost and should have brought up that there's release dates and specs and everything out now on the next lineup of RDNA 4 AMD GRAPHICS cards. So as politely as possible there is new stuff to talk about despite there being a little of a lull in the industry. New threadripper consumer CPU. Intel battlemage notes and teasers, new frame generation software for high end games like cyberpunk on some cards there's now new ray tracing stuff this week. List goes ON

@snowpuddle9622

7 ай бұрын

performance is all that matters

@jaxzor

2 ай бұрын

+temps

@Malinkadink

2 ай бұрын

@@snowpuddle9622 So if Intel is marginally faster say 1-5% on average across the board, but requires 150watts vs 75 watts and is running hotter by virtue of needing more power to perform you'd still take the intel part for gaming? Seems foolish imo.

Win11 on the 7800X3D with 6000mts Hynix A on the latest Agesa update is literally the snappiest and satisfying PC experience I’ve ever had. I upgraded from a 10700k, kept every component from my 3yr old system apart from the MOBO, ram and CPU and couldn’t be happier

@Theworthsearcher

7 ай бұрын

For you would be the 5800X 3D the best and cheapest option. ;)

@0Metatron

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@EphemeralOnlooker32GB 6000mts 32CL G.Skill Trident Neo The 30CL was out of stock at the time but I’m still super happy with the results. I put a -30 all core curve optimiser and just EXPO 1 for overclocking/undervolting

@Drew_621

7 ай бұрын

What memory kit?

@0Metatron

7 ай бұрын

@@Drew_621 the comment about yours

@Drew_621

7 ай бұрын

@@0Metatron what does -30 all curve optimizer do? I’ve always been on Intel so I’m not familiar with it

One thing to add. If you have the 14700k and are going to use it for gaming and rendering and so forth you can set the power limits on power limit 1 & 2 to something around 125-150w and the gaming performance take like maybe a 1-2% hit and rendering performance takes a 2-8% hit depending on the task intensity. but you get significantly lower power draw and lower temps. funny thing. even when the 14700k is limited to 125w it destroys the 7800x3d in actual productivity tasks still. goes to show that AMD only wanted to reign supreme with the 7800x3d in the gaming category and absolutely they have done it. but as an overall cpu package. I won't even consider it.

@glenndoiron9317

2 ай бұрын

If you primarily game, the 7800X3D is a perfectly fine choice. The thing is that if you throw heavily threaded tasks around, then the I7 has 12 more E-cores to throw at the job. Also, the Intel P-cores are actually quite a bit faster than the 7800X3D cores if data sets are small enough to fit in the L1/L2 cache, but these days nothing is. That 96MB L3 cache on the X3D is the only reason AMD is winning any benchmark, getting a cache hit in L3 is way faster than waiting for data from system memory.

@deheimer

2 ай бұрын

@@glenndoiron9317 i7 14700K is very underrated. And this is coming from an advocate of AMD CPUs. In my honest opinion, it is the better choice over the 7800x3d if one wants to have a balanced computer that can literally do it all. That means anyone who does an IT related job as their career while also gaming. But if you deliver pizzas at day time and just wanna game, 7800x3d is the way. But look at the difference in FPS in 1440p and 4k, it's basically nothing. I'd much rather go with intel in this one, and people yapping about power draw like it's gonna increase their bill by 100 dollars haha. Just imbecilic.

7800x3D is the winner for me as I only do gaming for that build. I have a 5950x built for work and it does all I need for that.

In canada, the i7 14700K is 100$ more so i think the 'best overall cpu' between the two goes to the 7800X3D. 100$ seems not much but i rather take the 10-15% cheaper for similar performance.

@iMapleCreator

6 ай бұрын

Bruh r u fr 100$ 💀 for me the bigger comparison would be the lower heat output and the higher power efficiency which leads to down the line savings

@MaskedOG

3 ай бұрын

@@iMapleCreatornot really true unless you 24/7 game. AMD draws alot of power in idle mode and 2+ Monitor configs.

@MomosMong

2 ай бұрын

@@MaskedOG and how is it for intel cpus? is the power consumption optimized depending on your tasks?

@MaskedOG

2 ай бұрын

That I don´t know. What I know is that it is way more optimized when it is in a range from 1-25% cpu usage which is casual browsing and maybe even in some simple games. If you utelise it more then that it swings into amd´s favour. It all comes down to what you do and what time period that is occupying. because even tho AMD uses less Power on average you can set a PL with intell that comes close without losing any performance at all. If you leave PL open as it is the MB standard then yes the Intell Cpu´ssuck you dry in gaming or other Tasks. So simply put if you like optimising your pc and you game a lot but also Idle a lot Intell is better. if you game all day and barely Idle Amd is better. If you work and time is importand Intell is hands down better. If you have spare time and get payed by Hours then AMD is the way to go.@@MomosMong

For GTA 5 in laptop with live streaming which spec and model. Please suggest.... Rayzen 7 with RTX4070 and other suggestions please for brand and model

What are your thoughts on micro stuttering between both cpus?

@cgwworldministries83

3 ай бұрын

AMD is worse overall for stuttering and is known for USB issues, like things randomly disconnected for me every day. I replaced the motherboard with a different manufacturer and I faced the same issues. On top of that, general computing was a pain in the ass, lots of instability on AMD, that went away the moment I went and bought an Intel machine. All those numbers became immediately meaningless for me. AMD is really good if you are a youtuber who edits these videos on a Mac, and runs the games AMD tells them to to make AMD look better to get that fat sponsorship. Oh and you need to train your ram on AMD, something that just works on Intel. On intel, go in and enable xmp. Boom done, boot and enjoy. On AMD you go in and put the numbers in by hand, and god forbid you lose power to the machine because it will lose the settings. Yeah in their infinite wisdom, decided NOT to save your tune in the BIOS. Just buy intel if you value your sanity.

@TinyHatesVSCode

3 ай бұрын

Bro is just yapping , hop off the intel fanboy train xD@@cgwworldministries83

@MaskedOG

3 ай бұрын

@@TinyHatesVSCodeit is kinda true. Could also be the MB tho. Bought the 7800x3d and msi pro wifi. And it only gave me problems. Went to intel and had non of it. So I stay with intel. Also Idle draw is outlandish on amd and with 2+monitor config´s. Would have liked the 7800x3d but it also had weird frame frezees from time to time. Which I had non with intel. Again could have been my MB/CPU/Ram config. But yeah for me it is intel untill AM5 matures.

@elderman64

3 ай бұрын

​@@TinyHatesVSCode I've also been experiencing the same issues but i cant switch yet, hopefully next gen cpus are worth it so i could change this one

@sunwalker2438

2 ай бұрын

oh man these fanboys. I have a 13700k Intel and a 7800x3d AMD machine. both rock stable and without any issues. no stuttering, USB disconnects, ... always update your BIOS and avoid overclocking, it's as simple as that

Great content again!

@eTeknix

7 ай бұрын

Thanks. Appreciate it.

Thank you for the hard work, this is awesome

Is it possible limit de Powerdraw of the 14700k to lets say 100W and then compare it to the 7800x3d at 1440p or 4k?

@BelowAmbient

7 ай бұрын

yup, a fixed voltage will yield much better temps & numbers as well

@userunknown10

5 ай бұрын

Why? Is power that expensive where you live?

@dalle5

3 ай бұрын

@@userunknown10 heat

@MaskedOG

3 ай бұрын

@@userunknown10if cores get hot they throthle themself which isn´t optimal. and you lose nearly nothing by limiting the 14700 to 125w.

Im assuming dlss would benefit the X3d even more?

What about power consumption?

Thank you!!!

Hello! I want to upgrade my cpu and I’m between r7 7800x3D and i7 14700k. Basically I’m playing games but in the near future I’m planning to learn some coding and editing so which one do you suggest? Also arctic liquid freezer 280 will be good for both of them even I stress them?

@denissorn

6 ай бұрын

Coding usually doesn't require a powerful CPU, especially if you're just starting. You can easily run editors, language runtimes, local web server, databases etc with 7800x3d. Where I live it's almost 100 euro cheaper. If gaming is going to be your primary activity it probably makes more sense to go with 7800x3d, which will work great with 50 bucks air cooler. If paying extra money for basically no benefit is Ok for you, go with 14700k. It's basically as good as 7800x3d for gaming (especially if you play at resolutions higher than 1080p) and better in everything else (You probably don't need, won't use, and wouldn't notice any difference.).

@kostastsergas8066

6 ай бұрын

@@denissorn thanks for your advice!

@Alp577

6 ай бұрын

I edit video and photo with a 7800X3D and a 4090, and did some coding work, and it is the perfect machine IMO. Less heat and less power compare to if I use a 14700K or 14900K (I did came from a 13700k and replacing it because of the heat.).

@zoonless7041

5 ай бұрын

​@@denissorn are you saying that if you play games at above 1080p you should go for the i7 14700K because its better for productivity and has basically the same gaming performance as the 7800x3d when playing games at like 4k? I have an ultrawide that's 3840x1600 so basically 4k and im trying to find out which cpu will give me the best performance

@denissorn

5 ай бұрын

@@zoonless7041 Not necessarily 14700K. Depending on what you need and current prices you might choose 7900x, or any other CPU which is better for productivity and multitasking. OTOH, again, depending on prices (If 7800x3d is cheap enough), it may be good enough for you (Productive stuff you do), and it's still excellent/best for games.

Awesome video. I was wondering if 750W gold PSU will suffice for an i7-14700k along with RTX 3060OC. Also is Coolermaster ML 360 good for cooling?

@onurbuken3641

2 ай бұрын

Im running I7-13700k with rtx 4070 ti super, i have corsair rm 750x, i think it should be enough

@foulinuxGaming

2 ай бұрын

@@onurbuken3641 Thank you for the reply. I will try it. Already ordered the parts ;)

@onurbuken3641

2 ай бұрын

@@foulinuxGaming you can also do a theoretical with pc part picker

@foulinuxGaming

2 ай бұрын

@@onurbuken3641 already bought the parts. it seems fine. i have it working for some days now without restart and it's fine! :D

@onurbuken3641

2 ай бұрын

@foulinuxgaminx Glad i could help

Very good review, I really thought that the 7800x3d beats Intel badly, but it's not like that. I'm interested in how many degrees you had at 14700k and 7800x3d in the tests, the maximum degrees. Do you think that these 2 processors can be cooled by a Deepcool AK620 zero dark?

@KiKo-rj2bc

7 ай бұрын

The AK620 zero perfect for the Ryzen 7 i don't know about the i7, but the AK400 it's already enough for the ryzen 7 7800x3d with no problems

@andreideancu

7 ай бұрын

@@KiKo-rj2bc thanks bro for answer

@Theworthsearcher

7 ай бұрын

Intel uses more power and generates more heat nowadays. ;)

@Machistmo

6 ай бұрын

yea it does.

Honestly either CPU is amazing, i think personally that the 14700K is the most balanced of the two CPU's, given they're around the same price i would pick that one up, but man that 7800X3D sure is looking nice, specially when you consider the low power consumption for such an amazing performance.

Yeah I just got a 14700k because I needed an all-round performance with streaming, Adobe apps, and gaming. And I don't imagine I'll be upgrading for maybe 5 years or more. By that time a lot has usually changed

@jessefisher1809

7 ай бұрын

I have a 14700k too. My expectations have really been exceeded, especially in the area of power consumption and heat. I guess because of all the hyperbole around it I was really worried after I ordered it. But its really not bad at all, and I only have a 240mm aio. Even cinebench doesn't throttle it.

@cybernit3

7 ай бұрын

I went with the 7800x3d since i t takes less power and is good for gaming. I am not sure for productivity benchmarks, perhaps he could do a new video regarding this issue; the good question by how much does intel beat amd x3d.... I assume it would be sort of close, but in favor of intel with productivity software. Thanks for the cpu review eTeknix....

@originalityisdead.9513

7 ай бұрын

​@alexandertopic You made the right choice for gaming. The 7800x3d is around 38% cheaper than an i9 14900k and smashes the lot in gaming.

@jessefisher1809

7 ай бұрын

@@originalityisdead.9513 'smashes' idk about that. Its certainly the best gaming chip, but if you take a large data set, I'm talking lots of games, lots of resolutions, averages and minimums and average it all out, the 7800x3d is like 2% faster. Where it does smash is power efficiency under load, thats for sure. But I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here. Also the 7800x3d is cheaper than the 14900k but the 14900k is mostly a workstation cpu and a 14700k is just as good at gaming, as well as everything else. So thats like comparing the 7950x3d to the 14700k and saying wow the 14700k is such a better deal. Yes the 7950x3d can game and its good at it, but there's no real reason to buy it over a 7800x3d for just gaming. You get me?

@sgrulido

7 ай бұрын

@@cybernit3 it consumes more while idling

I've always been an intel guy, but I'm not brand loyal no matter what. i see the 7800x3d and think that would be what i would upgrade to if i thought my 9900k wasn't doing the job. i play games and watch KZread videos, so the 7800x3d was sort of targeted at people like me. however, i wouldnt consider any other cpu in AMDs lineup, and only the 14700k in intels lineup.

@steadyclouds4614

7 ай бұрын

Works out perfectly because the ryzen 9 7950X3D only sees a very small 1-2fps physical in game difference. The ryzen 7 7800X3D performs the same if not better than the 14700k, and it's a year old. The 14700k is brand new. Ryzen draws 120w for that performance as well compared to intels 300w14700k. When ryzen drops their new chips is it really a competition if intels new chips can't outperform last gens (non flagship) model from the competition? All just food for thought.

@richard7423

7 ай бұрын

@@steadyclouds4614 You'd be hard pressed to find a 14700k drawing 300w just for gaming.

@steadyclouds4614

7 ай бұрын

@richard7423 reality is people oc and bench their chips to max tdp and intel will hit it anyway with known power spikes. Maybe not all the time but it's real.

@steadyclouds4614

7 ай бұрын

@@richard7423 and it's still without need to say that I won't pull the full 120 on the ryzen either, but I'll still be faster with better thermals and half the wattage. Can't wait til ryzen drops THEIR new chips to make it even more irrelevant.

@steadyclouds4614

7 ай бұрын

@@richard7423 and a year older. Glad intels highest end desktop chip is still trying to outcompete a year old non flagship ryzen

I have a 7800X3D and 4090 but I only game on it. Intel is absolutely the best all rounder. Nobody is arguing about that. They're way faster for 3D rendering and editing. I do REALLY value how much less heat that the 7800X3D puts out compared to my old i9. It's easier to live with in that regard.

@AshtonCoolman

7 ай бұрын

The 14700k has 20 cores and 28 threads total 🤷

@mmo0J

7 ай бұрын

intel systems require both more pricier components (motherboard with better VRMs, RAMs with higher freq, better cooling, PSU with much better quality) and consumes much more power to do those. X3D CPUs use a fraction of power, requiring much less.

@AshtonCoolman

7 ай бұрын

@@mmo0J which is why I have TWO AM5 systems lol. I got a 7700X with free CL36 DDR5-6000 from Microcenter back in December 2022. I've since upgraded to a 7800X3D and got CL30 DDR5-6000, so I picked up a Gigabyte B650 mobo for cheap last week. AM5 is a socket that will live on for likely 2 more CPU generations too. I'm done with those hot ass Intel CPUs. My old i9 had me sweating in my room while gaming....

@Odin..

7 ай бұрын

​@@AshtonCoolmandont have ac?

@Ben-ld1qi

7 ай бұрын

​@@AshtonCoolmanwhich b650 gigabyte board exactly did u pick and does it suffer from coil whine or anything. Got a 7800x3d for 2ne build but having a hard time choosing a motherboard.

Have a 12700KF and 12900KF, one point of the 14700KF is after BIOS update it is a drop in upgrade. Though had I bought on AM5 with then more expensive boards for similar features I could also do the same. Prices matter and when you buy is important and the total cost.

@hypapowah

2 ай бұрын

what do you mean that the 14700kf is a drop in upgrade?

@dianaalyssa8726

2 ай бұрын

@@hypapowah Can just change out the chip, it's on the same socket.

If i will use my PC for streaming and gaming and also multitasking will 7800x3d be powerful enough to deliver these things?

Considering the temperature in hot areas such as North India should i go for i7 1400k since the 7800x3d max temp is 85 ?

@kpep588

3 ай бұрын

The 7800x3d is way easier to cool since it draws less power. I would pick that one anytime if temperature is a concern

7800x3d is pure gaming, best performances per watt for gaming currently, but it's slower than 14600k/7700x in workstation tasks. Intel = all rounder, a mild to highend workstation pc + gaming.

@Theworthsearcher

7 ай бұрын

Then there is the 7950X, or 7950X 3D. ;)

@lizardx6504

7 ай бұрын

@@Theworthsearcher 7900x

@dex4sure361

6 ай бұрын

@@Theworthsearcher 7950x3d is worse than intel or 7800x3d for gaming, its scheduling nightmare. 7950x better.

@Theworthsearcher

6 ай бұрын

Dear @@dex4sure361 , Well, it depends on...

@deheimer

2 ай бұрын

@@dex4sure361 An imbecilic statement. I don't even need to touch process lasso, it does scheduling perfectly now. Runs everything I throw at it. Could game with highest FPS while even rendering a video and some tabs in google chrome. Only people who can't afford these products say these things.

It's weird that when the 12th gen and Zen 3 CPUs came out, no one said that Intel was a better value because it has multiple generations ahead of it on the same motherboards and that AMD was a dead socket, they said Zen 3 was good upgrade value for old AMD users on 1000 and 2000 era Ryzen processors. Then at the 14th gen, instead of saying that it's a good upgrade path value to put a 14700k in for people on 12400 and below processors, they said it's a dead socket and praised AM5 7000 series as having an upgrade path again. The nonsensical astroturfing around "AMD Value" is a head scratcher for me. When AMD is beginning of socket, it's a good upgrade path. When Intel is beginning of socket, the dead socket on AMD gets attention. Even though, as shown here, the X3D chip has at best a 4% gaming performance advantage and like 40-50% less performance in all productivity and media editing multicore situations vs its Intel i7 counterpart.

@Barksyyy

7 ай бұрын

Intel kinda shot themselves in the foot with their 14th gen but you do make some valid points. I was impressed when they released their 13th gen and found that a 13600k was as good if not better than their previous 12700k which imo was the best all rounder at the time for price to performance, while also coming out cheaper even if it was slightly more expensive than their previous 12600k and while it did get mentioned in a number of reviews as being a great leap in performance it wasn't quite praised or emphasised as much as the AMD upgrade path but that's what happens when you try to cater to the average consumers who rarely bother to upgrade and just end up buying new. There's probably still quite a few people out there running a Ryzen 3 from 2018 for example who have little to no idea they could bring their PC specs up to date by only spending a few hundred on a new CPU and GPU, so of course most reviewers are gonna keep trying to hammer it into them if it means they save them some money and then in turn end up subscribing to their channel. Plus everyone loves an underdog and wants AMD to put pressure on Intel and Nvidia. The trouble is AMD doesn't even wanna step up to the plate half the time and are quite happy where they are. In this instance they can put in half the effort and recieve all the praise while Intel already being on top are due to recieve all the criticism whenever their products aren't up to scratch. It's a funny old game which is why I find it cringe whenever I hear all this team red, team green, team blue bs. Bottom line is they're all as bad as each other. While Nvidia may be greedy for upping their prices AMD are just as bad for helping them prop them up and reinforcing those prices by upping theirs too but oh no AMD are so kind for offering cheaper alternatives when in reality they could probably still shave another 100 or 200 off their pricing schemes and start taking a bigger share of the market by offering real value for money and producing more GPU's but that might actually require some actual effort/reinvestment and would take away money from their shareholders, so nope, continue to be greedy just don't be as greedy as Nvidia and continue to keep beating Intel at their bigger number better game but let's just ignore those 1% lows which I've seen a few reviewers mention when testing games that it can cause some noticeable stutters (maybe cos they're not all running 4090's) but again it seems to get overlooked in favor of higher benchmarking scores and lower power consumption. Either way it's all very interesting to see when you learn to read between the lines but kinda unfortunate too cos I really wanna build a new PC but just can't bring myself to do it unless I know I'm getting a good deal. Sometimes having too much knowledge tis a gift and a curse lol

15:08 "What does the future hold? How will I be recorded!" I almost commited genocide on Soul reapers watching this video.

Maybe a silly question but is there any scenario where going with the i714700 makes sense outside of gaming? I cant seem to find any argument to go with intel over AMD in this case?? I prefer cooler and quieter system(no crazy OC) as well so it seems AMD again is the better option, please any opinion appreciated

@MaskedOG

3 ай бұрын

Yes. If you aint gaming AMD draws about 5 times in idle. SO everything beside gaming is a win for intel. Recomendation 14700k PL2 to 125-150w Idles at 5-15 w while AMD spikes to over 100w which is crazy since that is more then in games. AM5 is very imature atm. especially with 2+ monitor setups. Either go 7500f for amd and wait for9800x3d or go intel 14700k.

If you were to stream and have discord,vtuber and a few background apps. Do you think the 7800x3d would fall behind or ever stutter?

@dylanbeazley6739

7 ай бұрын

trying to do all that all still have a stable 360hz in valorant haha. Asking for a lot. Also want the 1% lows to not dip into the 360fps. Wishful thinking I reckon.

@MaskedOG

3 ай бұрын

Had 7800x3d returned it. Go 14700k and set PL 2 to 125-150w

@deheimer

2 ай бұрын

@@MaskedOG What kind of experience did you have with the 7800x3d?

@MaskedOG

2 ай бұрын

Hmm. It was absolutely blasting in Games. And I had the absolute worst silicon. But I had some Stuttering from time to time which I don´t know if it came from the Cpu or MB. I changed my MB and went with a 7500f which I will upgrade down the road aka next year. And I have not encountered Stuttering since then. So in total it was really good in games most of the time.@@deheimer

The power requirements were my reasons to go with AMD. I realized I play more games than productivity and power/heat savings would be significant. I could also use a inexpensive air cooler vs a AIO. I had an i5-2500K since 2011, I had found AMD chips at the time to be less competitive, these days they are very competitive.

@Direwoof

6 ай бұрын

ye their pretty close, AMD better at top end for gaming, intel better at low and mid range. I have a 12600kf I got for 130 ducks and it's insane for teh price, gonna use that till arrow lake comes out.

@MaskedOG

3 ай бұрын

if you utilise 10-20% of cpu you would be better of with intel if you only game power wise you go amd. have both and my 7800x3d has some issues with frezzing frames and micro stuttering. Is it a dealbreaker? Not really just know Am5 needs more time and is more or less a hit or miss atm. 9000 series will be interesting.

@deheimer

2 ай бұрын

This power efficiency thing is misunderstood by lot of people. It's more of the fact that the AMD CPU's run cooler, not that they are power efficient. Cause at Idle Intel does a better. job. And unless you play 12 hours a day, the electricity bill differential is very small lol. If you can spend on these products, that difference shouldn't matter.

-- Mom, can we have Hardware Unboxed? -- No, we have Hardware Unboxed at home Hardware Unboxed at home: 😁

You are a true Revelation when it comes to reviews, thank you, your video was so insightful, well documented, and i love the ending where you draw your honest and professional conclusion Thank you (subscribed)! I was caught between these two and intel one cause i livestream, edit videos and photo and intel clearly dominates there and still hold very well in games. Just still worried about temps....liquid cooled looped is going to work hard lol

hello linus. why u no test DOOM etneral. thnx

Thanks

the cooling cost would be a big difference, 7800x3d can easily do away with a 240mm AIO while 14700k will need 360mm with optimal case fans to avoid overheating

Im stuggling with an important "gamer" decision. Upgrade to a 14700k from a 12900k or buy a 7800x3d and a new mb. I currently have a 12900k paired with 32gb of 6200mhz DDR5 at CL36 (i know its bad) The problem is the 12900k is giving me upwards of a 20% bottleneck at 3440x1440p with frame generation enabled. Do you believe the 14700k paired with my current ram is worth it over spending the extra on a 7800x3d? Any advice wpuld be appreciated as my 4090 is going to waste.

@TheEpxMaster

7 ай бұрын

It depends on what you use it for, I’ve got a 13700K system and 7800X3D system. The AMD system is a gaming powerhouse and it will have drop in CPU options for a few more years. The Intel system is on the last MB cycle, so to get newer CPU’s, I’d have to buy a new board. If you already have a Z690/Z790, I’d recommend buying the 14700K and ride it out for a few more years. You could also grab a 14900K as well if you really want to maximize the board.

@sgrulido

7 ай бұрын

I think you can upgrade and then in some years change the entire platform.

@originalityisdead.9513

7 ай бұрын

@@sgrulido I'm might buy a 14900k. Maybes get one this weekend along with some new ram, or wait and get a 5090, new mb and ram when they all drop. Il probably just get a 14900k, oc my ram and some tighter timings. I'm not so sure. I need to try and get this case apart first (Corsair 5000d) can i shyt figure out how to get the side panel off so i can put my three fans in the side. Also, for some reason my 360mm aio won't top mount as the cpu power adapter is in the way, it shouldn't be but it is.

@PanFortress

6 ай бұрын

Changed from 12700k to 7800x3d and system is more responsible. But i am more onto high refresh gaming. Both are probably good options.

@NorthsideChamps16

5 ай бұрын

@@PanFortresswas your system irresponsible before?

Can someone help me out here. Having a hard choice between 7800x3d and 14700k. Mainly just play 3A and League, but is trying to learn on coding right now also. I heard that 14700k is more balanced, should I go with 14700K or 7800x3d is good to handle all these tasks that I do? Much appreciated for the answers here.

@gabryy768

7 ай бұрын

Unless you’re doing super heavy professional productivity tasks, 7800x3d is more than enough in that regard. If the price is even slightly lower id get that one

@lexsanderz

7 ай бұрын

Yes, pretty much. Depends what you're coding. If your code doesn't have 100.000 files at least, don't bother, Ryzen is fine.

@coccobeaniegaming7994

7 ай бұрын

im having a hard choice also i do play alot of fps games and survival games Ex Rust , Icarus , battlefield 2042 i sometimes record and or stream while playing what do you think is best for me i have a i9 10900K now with a 3070 ti

@kugarex8666

7 ай бұрын

Tbh not a lot of reason to get 14700k over the 13700k from intel they perform pretty much the same but the 13k is cheaper. Donnu about 13k vs the AMD.

@kerotomas1

7 ай бұрын

Its pointless to buy Intel honestly. It’s a dead end platform so no upgradability and your complete build will be much more expensive. You need a z790 board that costs twice as much as a b650, you need much faster and more expensive ram (at least 7200mhz but preferably 7600 compared to the cheap 6000mhz kits for amd), you also need a much more expensive cooling and especially an AiO if you will be doing high load productivity while the 7800X3D can be cooled with a dirt cheap 30 dollar air cooler no joke (i haven’t seen it using more than 60 watts total), and also need a bigger so more expensive power supply. It just doesn’t make sense right now. Maybe the brand new 15th gen in late 2024.

After reading my guide on configuring the 7800X3D you are going to have to redo all of your 7800X3D testing again. 🤣

@eTeknix

7 ай бұрын

Sooooon!

@Serkong

4 ай бұрын

How much better does configuration make it?

@michaelnager6059

4 ай бұрын

@@Serkong 10% or so. For instance my CineBench R23 score went up to around 19,300 after configuring it.

@Serkong

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelnager6059 do you just mean overclocking?

@michaelnager6059

4 ай бұрын

@@Serkong The thing is that I use benchmarks to configure, I don't configure for benchmarks. I stop when I have reached the point where the configuration is no longer 24/7 stable. That's because I never turn off my PC. Technically, you could call it overclocking; however, my intention isn't to get the highest result possible. That's why, for myself, I tend to use the word configure rather than overclock. Another thing is that you cannot technically overclock a 7800X3D. With regard to 3rd/4th and 5th Generation Ryzen, that I wrote a guide for, I am actually configuring 100% within spec (and still get better results than Der8auer or Buildzoid) and it is actually AMD who runs those CPUs out of spec and thus technically overclocking them at stock.

Power consumption?

@eTeknix

7 ай бұрын

In our day one reviews but will look to include in these head to heads in the future.

What about if you OC the 14700k?

Thanks for the video and the effort, but maybe consider testing more games? GTA V and RDR2 are still popular and good benchmarks. Also, it would be great if someone could finally benchmark simulation games like DCS and strategy/sandbox games like Rimworld and Factorio.

7800x3d for me... I mostly game and I live in the Arizona desert so the less heat and power consumption the better.

Is 7600mt/s even stable on that board? I highly doubt it

@Hhh-j8o

4 ай бұрын

I can't even get anything higher than 7000 stable on a z790 a max with the 14700k ☠️

at overall precentage difference, considering the title (r7 7800x3d vs core i7 14700k) you shuld have writen 4% faster i guess... as u speak about the first cpu and how it is comparing with second cpu... anyway, great rew!!

I appreciate the devil's advocate there at the end. It really does just depend on what we choose to do with our pc in the end. Both are good in their own right and specialize in different areas.

When you watch Hardware Unboxed from China 😂😂😂

For many years I've used only Intel, but the last several years, say, the last 3 years or so, I decided to go back to the AMD. I was so impressed that I started using AMD a lot more, and haven't been more than happier. I actually like the Ryzen 5 5600G. So, whether I used an additional videocard, or not, it's a win-win situation. When I make another build, I'll go ahead for the Ryzen 5 8600G. Has anyone build one with that CPU? The 8600G, that is.

I don't need a boat load of e-cores to heat up my system and my room.

As good as the 7800x3d is I can’t see myself building a pc with 8 cores 16 threads in 2024. I use my pc for everything. Besides what good is all kinds of fps when my monitor maxes out at 144 fps and have no reason to buy another when it works just fine? And also personally for me upgrade path means nothing because I hold on to my pc for years.

why not use the exact same ram? just qurious

This is pretty much useless without 0.1% lows. It's the most important for performance. What does it matter if 1% is better but there are dropped frames everytime you turn a corner.

Funny enough, power consumption doesn't matter to me as my apartment doesn't charge an electric bill. Might just do intel this time around to be safe, and once I move out, it'll be in about ~4 years about when I'd upgrade again.

@Krenisphia

Ай бұрын

Where do you live that doesn't charge you an electricity bill? Wtf.

@HapsterHap

Ай бұрын

@@Krenisphia student apartment. I have no utility bills

I want my cake and be able to eat it too, so I went wIntel.

Well, people, who do prudictivity, use better the 7950X, which is still a very good gaming CPU, or maybe the 7950X 3D, which is a mix of the 2.

This is crazy. AMD wins over every game out there at current time.

I think it matters how much power it consumes.

@gmee123

3 ай бұрын

why?

Why nobody tests cs2?

@eTeknix

7 ай бұрын

Because it’s a buggy mess sadly.

@Bobthebuilder2235

7 ай бұрын

@@eTeknixit’s actually not that bad - they’ve patched it … start testing it 😊

@eTeknix

7 ай бұрын

It’s better yes, but still not consistent enough for testing…..yet!

What is AIO in setup

@gmee123

3 ай бұрын

Liquid cooler

So Intel is better despite some AMD shilling was misleading ppl for a while. 1% and 0.1% lows are more important than average FPS and Intel wins those more often than not.

Why did he not talk about the power requirements? With energy prices sooo high in many countries this is also a huge decision factor. Also costs for a decent cooling. The Intel CPU will require a more potent cooling. Which will cost you more money. And no, i am not a AMD fanboy. I worked at a big Hardware store (when my health did not allow me to work in my primary job anymore) and people will look out for all this factors when they get a new PC. And it will affect the final price of the package.

@Battleneter

6 ай бұрын

Right at the end he kind of does. The difference over a years usage if you game for like 8 hrs a day would be less than US$100, so really not worth factoring in, heat on the other hand sure.

@svenhoff2653

6 ай бұрын

@@Battleneter Really depends on the price you pay for energy. When i see that people in some parts of the US pay around 10 cent per kWh the total cost per year will be very different from here in Germany. Because we expect prices of 40-50 cent per kWh for the next year.

@Battleneter

6 ай бұрын

@@svenhoff2653 Even if you pick an extreme example lets say very expensive Germany, the difference is still even then not really worth talking about, as CPU's don't use much energy compared to Aircon as an easy example.

Wait a minute... why did you use worse RAM on the i7 ?

@Iadders

6 ай бұрын

7600 cl36 is better...

So many games tested and yet no esports title. Why?

Very strange because yesterday Ive compared my i7 14700kf with Rtx 4070 with ryzen 7 7800x3d with Rtx 4070 and I saw that I had almost 20 fps more avg in 1440p and especially 4K RT fg dlls and much more consistent and higher 0,1% and 1% lows with 30fps higher so much more stable ! The 0,1 % are the most important because those fluctuations making image stutter and micro stuttering tearing etc. 😅

@JohnnyLyft

7 ай бұрын

Which cpu is faster in gaming ?

@dex4sure361

6 ай бұрын

you didnt say which one was faster?

@shirdiy1665

3 ай бұрын

which ones the faster one brother

@vishwajeetpanwar3271

3 ай бұрын

Bro keeping us hanging

Considering all the factors (not forget that the difference in power consumption between them is HUDGE) I still think AMD is much better. I mean you game almost everyday ... video editing like once a month.

power?

Welcome everyone to Hardware Unboxed

I'd like to see how close the i5 gets seeing is much cheaper.

@eTeknix

7 ай бұрын

Guess what video is coming next 😂

@2ndLastJedi

7 ай бұрын

@eTeknix hoped so, well done on the content lately.

@eTeknix

7 ай бұрын

@@2ndLastJedi thanks. Trying a lot of new things and seeing what sticks. Hoping to be able to increase views, our social following, discord, Patreon etc… so that we can do what we want more and less of what brands expect us to do.

@2ndLastJedi

7 ай бұрын

I see 100k in the near future with how indept your videos are. I still think DDR4 needs more attention as I'm sure many reused older RAM in current builds. But this is just a guess.

Single threaded performance of intel crushes, like you said. The gaming performance difference looks great on graphs, but for single threaded workloads, that's actually costing you time. 13600kf does the trick for less money, with only a marginal decrease in framerate. Better to spend the cost difference on a gpu or ram speed upgrade

@GeneralS1mba

6 ай бұрын

7800x3d is pretty useless when you could just get a 7700 and get nigh identical performance in gaming while still having low power draw and upgradability, but lower temps and better performance tasks outside of gaming

Intel is good for productivity and work task while Ryzen focuses on giving you the best gaming performance. There’s a reason why I just use Intel on my streaming PC while I use a Ryzen 7800X3D on my gaming PC. Intel gives an excellent gaming performance as well, but it is very power hungry, and will turn your PC into a toaster oven!

You didin't mention the power consumption. The Intel one is a hungry bugger

You need a top-tier GPU (4080, 7900XTX, 4090) to leverage the gaming power of the 7800X-3D. Most gamers are running well below that level of GPU, so the 7800X-3D makes sense for them _only_ if they have realistic plans to upgrade their GPU to top-tier. Last fall (2022) I chose the 13700K over an AM5 chip because of my less-than-stellar experience with the first iteration of AM4, and I'm glad I didn't wait. Bottom line: Choosing between the two is a classic first-world problem.

11:44 Slower?

Нужно было на одинаковой частоте память DDR 5 тестировать а так совсем не понятно становится

Same as HW showed there are just some margins around 25 percent were AMD is faster no tweaking of Intel chip can catch that.AMD doesn't even need ZEN 5 for gaming they could put 7800x3d on 5.7 ghz and it would destroy anything new Intel brings.

Will I be able to make Roblox games and maybe eventually make games on unreal engine I haven’t started yet but if I did wanna start to make Roblox games would I be able to run it? 7 7800x3D

Hello my friend. I would be happy if you could help me choose between these 2 processors Ryzen 7 7800x3d and i7 14700k. For me, the priority is better performance in the field of gaming. I want to buy one of these processors for the 4090 graphics card.

I don't have necessarily an issue with the comparison, BUT in order to make a conclusion based on the price you can't exclude the price of the RAM you used to test the CPUs. Currently, AMD 7800X3D + 32 GB DDR5 6000 MHz CL30 is $450 (360+90) vs the 14700K + 32 GB DDR5 7600 MHz CL36 is $569 (404+165). So the 14700K system is 26% more expensive, and without considering you need a much more expensive CPU cooler and a more expensive PSU... making again the point of comparison a little bit silly. For gaming there is no competition, If you want the best get the 7800x3D, are you on a budget? get the 5800X3D. If you want productivity, probably you don't need any advice, because you know which CPU is faster in your workload and then maybe gaming is secondary, and in that case, the 5950x, 7950x, 75950X3D, 14700K 12900K, 13700K, and 13900K are all good options

@jessefisher1809

7 ай бұрын

Thats not necessary and way past the point of diminishing returns. Get some 5600, 6000, tighten the timings and you're 99% of the way there. Any hynix M can do 6400 cl30. Then relaxing the trefi might actually improve it beyond the 7600 stock. And thats the most common die you'll find in any mainstream kit. So no I don't think you should be baking the most expensive ram into intels price.

@righteousone8454

7 ай бұрын

In USA 6000mhz is 110 bucks and 8000mhz is 229 bucks

@Games_and_Tech

7 ай бұрын

@@righteousone8454 seriusly you commented here and you don't know pc part picker? I am also in the US, the prices I put, are today lowest in the US

@SuperGuerillaGamplay

7 ай бұрын

The price comparison you did is iffy. You don't need an over-the-top cooler with the 14700k as Techdeals showcased that when testing the 13900k with a noctua-air cooler, it ran just fine. PSU is kind of a moot point; you have RTX 4090 money (as shown in the benchmarks), you have good PSU money too. I wouldn't dare cheap out on my PSU powering my expensive rig to save $20-30. Especially if you're considering upgrading the 7800x3d to something like a 9800x3d or 8800x3d in the future which is a big selling point of am5 is the upgrade path. You don't know for certain what can happen with the tdp of these chips either staying the same or increasing beyond the capability of your PSU. Also, aren't am5 motherboards generally more expensive than z690/z790 boards? You'd have to factor that in as well. I remember this being true in the past but not sure if it still holds today. Overall factoring in the price differences, it comes to about more or less the same. if you live near a microcenter, the motherboard/cpu/ram bundles has the 7800x3d system being $30 cheaper than the 14700k bundle, but the included ram for both bundles is average. I agree with your overall conclusion at the end though. You know what CPU makes the most sense for you. Me personally (I have the 13900k) , I don't mind having sacrificing a few FPS for the extra cores for background tasks like Spotify, KZread, Discord, Wallpaper Engine, gameplay recording tools, etc.

@dsdfasefes1883

7 ай бұрын

And 7200C34 is 110$, there won't be much difference. And imo it's dumb to buy 6000 20$ cheaper anyway, you'll reuse your memory later when you upgrade. It may be not important now, but 8800X3D, for example, may have support for 7200 and benefit from it.

Good comparison. The large improvement in AMD performance comes from the huge cache the chip has which I have to give to AMD for sure. they definitely made an amazing chip tailored towards gamers and that's where the chips really shine. As for the intel CPU's I think as developers learn to efficiently make use of the E cores, Intel CPU will see tremendous improvements in gaming performance. Intel does have to work harder to make this a real competition now because AMD has certainly taken the lead at this point in the game. its really tremendous to see the growth AMD has gone through since 2018. Kudos to them. I hope now Intel can get off their high horse and start showing some improvements. the 12th gen was a nice surprise but since then its been disappointing. 14700k might be the only cpu to go after from intel if you don't have the 1700 socket but in all honesty, wait for the 15th gen and new socket unless you really need to get a new cpu and want one that is an all around performer then I would look into the 14700k.

@Machistmo

6 ай бұрын

It is not - 14900 is a better comparison and it does not match the 7800X3d. AMD is KING still.

I feel like people buying these CPU's have no care for performance in triple A games. More like games like CSGO, Fortnite, Rocket League, Valorent, Rainbow six siege etc. These kind of people would lower settings to lowest for max FPS.

Good review, I like when the sample suite is a large sample. You conclusions are flawed thou, #1 You state that the longevity is unnecessary as anyone replacing a 7800X3d would just replace the motherboard and CPU. AM4 was introduced in 2016 and anyone wanting to upgrade say a 2600x could gain MASSIVE upgrade by replacing it with a 5800X3d without needing a new motherboard. You conclusion is that of an Intel fanboy. #2 You don't by a X3D processor for productivity, get a 7900X non 3d for less money than both of them Never mind that the I7 draws 284W and the Ryzen 86W so cooling and PSU considerations (Gamers Nexus) I'm not calling you out because I'm team RED, (the vast majority of my computers have been Intel) but when you give subjective vs objective advice it's what keeps Intel's prices higher than they should be. The make a good product but the better 'deal' is the AMD and when Intel looses market share than the prices come down.

how about u test both with 6000mhz instead of one 7600mhz and the other 6000mhz

@eTeknix

2 ай бұрын

AMD’s sweet spot is 6000mhz cl30 and intels is just as fast as possible. Doing some retests now anyway.

@DanielWha

2 ай бұрын

@@eTeknix aight I guess

If you a gamer the Ryzen 7800x3d is a superior choice has future proof upgrade it is cheaper and very cheap to cool and motherboards are very cheap compared to Intel .

Hello, everyone ! 🌞😉👍

The ryzen 7 7800x3d has annoying tempspikes while little things like browsing. I uploaded 2 video on my channel you can see. For example on youtube if you scroll down or up it can jump up to 71c and the highest was 78c after i opened a new tab

@happybuggy1582

5 ай бұрын

Opening up apps and loading up pages eats cpu. It is like that for decades. Even the simplest task like scrolling memes and facebook is loading up stuff. Some CPU cores will be 100% utilized during loading, even for the strongest cpus

@MrEditsCinema

5 ай бұрын

​@happybuggy1582 yep.ive noticed that for years with many different CPUs..30c idle temp then you click in the Internet browser..50c to 55c then slowly goes down again

why didn't you say anything how unstable am5 mobos are with any ram faster than 5200?

@TheEpxMaster

7 ай бұрын

Because it’s not always true. I have 7200 CL34 running stable with the 7800X3D lol

Like

11:45 But the chart says slower.

Seeing a non biased, non obese, non Steve is absolutely refreshing and definitely offering more realistic review.

@jerbsherb4391

5 ай бұрын

How does obesity factor into a quality demonstration and infromation sharing?

Where cs2, hunt showdown, tarkov

The worst thing about 7800X3D is idle power consumption, and if iirc it was always this bad since Zen 1. 25W is completely fucked up. 3 hours of browsing will waste all gains from 1 hour of gaming. To put it into perspective, recent mobile chips are using about 12W for almost 1/2 of 7800X3D Geekbench performance so 2 of them will have almost the same MT performance as 7800X3D while using the same power as 7800X3D is using just doing nothing.

@kosmosyche

6 ай бұрын

It's not that bad considering a CPU is just a part of the total power consumption of a given system. If you look at total power consumption comparisons (there are several on the internets), Ryzen 7800X3D systems are very close in total power consumption in idle to Intel's 14700k system total power consumption in idle. A bit worse, yes, and I agree that AMD should have made a better job on that, but in general the difference is not in any way as dramatic as the difference between them under full load (where Intel is much much higher to a ridiculous degree, like more than ~100W in many instances easy).

@dex4sure361

6 ай бұрын

@@kosmosyche intel is lot better at idle power.

@kosmosyche

6 ай бұрын

@@dex4sure361 10-20W difference between Ryzen 7800X3D and 14th gen Intel in idle. It's not a lot. The difference is much more severe but the other way around when under load.

@dex4sure361

6 ай бұрын

@@kosmosyche its a huge difference on idle, considering intel chips are otherwise less efficient. it just shows intel handles idle power lot better and its why intel still owns the laptop market.

4% FASTER Overall, but slower

POWER???

you should test properly. You should test how much time the game processes tasks.... example in civilization 5, or stellaris etc !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! one of this tests would tell much more then 30 of this fps tests !!!!!!!!!!

here i7 14700K has the same price as Ryzen 9 7900X3D :))

Will Ryzen bottleneck the 2080ti in 7680x1440p resolution

Pretty sure if you don't care about your power bill, you'll want the Intel... But otherwise I wouldn't touch Intel...

7800X3D uses a lot less power 40% and up.

I know the 7800x3d get more frames.. but i just feel like it's an overall weaker CPU besides in gaming where it gets more FPS. But it gets lower 1% lows and I think that's what matters most for a smoother gaming experience.

@Nudels99

7 ай бұрын

It depends on the game. They both don't give much to each other and I doubt you'll notice a difference of 5-10 FPS

@dawienel1142

7 ай бұрын

A few points to note here, if you look at the whole review the 7800x3D actually wins in 1% lows over the 14700k, but I think you probably meant that there is a larger disparity between 1% lows for the 7800x3D and its own averages. Still I will counter the above point by simply asking you to look at more reviews, sample size is very important so the more quality reviews you watch the better. The likes of GN, Optimum and HUB all somewhat differs to this review especially on the 1% lows front so I would suggest doing a kind of a meta analyses before making your conclusion. Definition of meta analyses: (If needed) A meta-analysis is a statistical procedure that combines and analyzes data from multiple independent studies on a specific topic or research question. It's a method used in research to provide a quantitative synthesis of findings across different studies. So in my opinion, the 7800x3D is significantly better for gaming and much more efficient which sadly was NOT included in this review which is quite a big omission if you ask me. The conclusion sadly also has intel fanboy written all over it, not to take away from the review itself which I did find at least somewhat informational.

@Theworthsearcher

7 ай бұрын

@@Nudels99 Yes but uses less power and has better upgrade path. ;) - AM5...

@denissorn

6 ай бұрын

Of course it's overall weaker. Its hundred bucks cheaper. All test showing it outmatching other good (Better) CPUs Intel, or AMD, always stress the 1080p, and who games at 1080p nowadays. However I'm probably going to buy it. It's cheaper, good enough, doesn't overheat and can be easily cooled with 40 bucks air cooler, which are more reliable (it's probably gonna take a while before my next build, so I prefer reliable components).

@bartegexe8182

5 ай бұрын

It wins in 1440P and 4K as well from what I've seen

I appreciated the comparison between the 2 chips. However you tested gaming, which was your original point. Then dismissed the upgrade path for the RyZen chip and praised the intel chip for other things you didnt even test, going as far as stating it was the better all around chip. No evidence in this video, just an opinion, or some may say bias. Ok maybe so, but what was the point in the testing to begin with when you were probably going to say the same thing before starting. Dont misunderstand, I enjoyed the gaming comparison. But it seems to me there needs to be 3 different testing scales. One for gaming, one for production, and one for doing both. Sometimes it seems there are 2 different worlds. One for the average person and one for the content creaters. Yes I do watch the creaters. Just wonder if they look too far above the average watcher.

The big win for the 7800x3d is the shear efficiency performance. Of course intel is a powerful chip, shame about how much power it pumps out though in heat

14700K best