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@bestofmusicchannel

Жыл бұрын

You have better gaming performance with considerably less watt usage yet you call AMD is in need to cut prices because of what ? Rendering and unzipping ? If something those 2 CPUs exchanging blows left and right with 7600x being a clear winner in majority of games you showed

@vladimirljubopytnov5193

Жыл бұрын

4.9 -> 5.4 is +4% :)? Oh... 5.1...

@lldjslim

Жыл бұрын

Finally AMD is getting it's ASS handed to them not just by performance, power draw, and Temps but also by price. Oh yeah and when AMD releases the V3D cache ryzen CPUS , we'll intel will be ready for that launch too, with a 16 all P-core CPU called the 13900KS with no E-cores that will smash all of AMD's V3D cache line up. Well AMD fanboys it looks like the party is over, Intel is back

@Y0Uanonymous

Жыл бұрын

You shall factor in the cost of electricity over the lifespan of the products too, as an estimate for the average user.

@jcbc5950

Жыл бұрын

@@lldjslim did you watch the video? Are you a gamer? If you look at the graphs, 7600X wins in gaming average fps, equals Intel in 1% lows, uses less watts while doing so, and 13600K is a dead platform with no upgrade path for 14th gen, whereas AM5 has at least until 2025 and may go until 2027 similar to AM4

Can't imagine how hard the last few months must have been for reviewers. Keep up the good work.

@Hardwareunboxed

Жыл бұрын

It's been a rough time, but a good time :D

@PC_Ringo

Жыл бұрын

@@Hardwareunboxed surely as happy as Larry with all the amazing hardware - nice work!

@sharathvasudev

Жыл бұрын

they get views for the effort. fair trade.

@Blafard666

Жыл бұрын

Well.... they also making more views than ever thanks to everything going on...

@kerbodynamicx472

Жыл бұрын

It must be quite an exciting time for reviewers.

I don't know how I didn't realize how many CPUs you test and how long this actually has to take. Thanks for your hard work.

@handlemonium

Жыл бұрын

More coming......Core i3-13400K, Ryzen 8 7800X, Ryzen 3 5300G, etc. 😁

@firedrapeon6012

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly the video I was hoping for after the original 7600X video. Thanks Steve 😁, now I can truly settle on the 7600x, when the prices drop a bit. Motherboard costs are ludicrous right now for what I need included and DDR5 5600/6000 is super expensive still.

@Dionyzos

Жыл бұрын

People are saying it's hard work but it would be my dream job lol. It's not hard at all if you love it and can listen to stuff or even watch stuff while doing it, especially for data nerds

@handlemonium

Жыл бұрын

@@Dionyzos there's also LTT's new automated benchmark called "Markbench" xD

@falcon6329

Жыл бұрын

@@Dionyzos also 90% of the work is just waiting

It's nice to see D4 3600 being tested on this cpu. Definitely what I'm looking for.

@caribougoo349

Жыл бұрын

$230 3600 c14 though. Actual pricing difference right now on PCPartPicker is $35 between it and the ddr5. Not terribly relevant imo

@peopleundercover7462

Жыл бұрын

@@caribougoo349 Well, It's relevant when you already have the thing and just want to upgrade the cpu

@caribougoo349

Жыл бұрын

@@peopleundercover7462I think kits with that xmp just started rolling out a couple years ago and they were insanely expensive($175 for a 16gb gskill kit released in August 2020). Of course I'm sure there's plenty of lucky b-die kits predating that. Not totally irrelevant just a little unlikely

@dreamseeker9207

Жыл бұрын

@@caribougoo349 yea but u talk about very worst ddr 5... good ones are 2 times more expensive.

@caribougoo349

Жыл бұрын

@@dreamseeker9207 If you want to compare the exact kits used in this review, the ddr4 is currently $5 more than the ddr5. I was being favorable to ddr4 and comparing the cheapest 3600 c14 which is a team group non-rgb for $40 less

We're in a golden time for CPU competition, reminds me of the Intel vs AMD in the early-mid 2000s

@dondraper4438

Жыл бұрын

It really is a fierce market these days. Please for the love of God, bring that heat to the GPU market as well Intel.

@pham3383

Жыл бұрын

@@dondraper4438 they did,beating rtx3050 for the first time making gpu is quite a feat,ngl

@gustavoalmeida1579

Жыл бұрын

We will be when AMD and Intel start to cut prices to compete with each other.

@aegiltech

Жыл бұрын

Golden might be too far, AMD is obviously taking the piss when it comes to $, with only the 7950X really making sense, and Intel is taking the piss when it comes to power, trying to reenact the ending of Terminator 2.

@nishanthadda8824

Жыл бұрын

Was there ever competition apart from zen3 era?Intel always won.

It's almost scary to see how fast you are with the testing. Thank you for the Benchmarks!

@Hardwareunboxed

Жыл бұрын

Most of the testing was started a week ago ;) But thank you.

@simplerelaxation9743

Жыл бұрын

Most of the youtubers get the chip from Intel before launch date but they're not able to show benchmarks until launch date or when intel let them do it.

@dubsb540

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Amazing work!

@hehehehaismus

Жыл бұрын

@@simplerelaxation9743 still, the quality is amazing for just one week :)

@mattparker2315

Жыл бұрын

you realize they get these things before consumers. just tied with NDA's until they are released lol. in other words they cant tell anyone about it.

I would love to see a test of ALL new cpus with max 60-90 watt power usage.

@Ariane-Bouchard

Жыл бұрын

As someone who's currently planning a small form factor build, I very much agree. How they perform at a "sweet spot" amount of power will be the most important thing.

@starrynight3945

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Max 125Watt also. Most people don't need that for the sake of less stress on energy grid.

@axegash2790

Жыл бұрын

Check out the der8auer video. He tests that with the 13900k and it beats out 5950x and 7950x in performance efficiency in most tests.

@douglaspianta4187

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it would be great to see at an equal power of either 65 or 125w how the cpus all perform, to see how efficient each architecture is. Sucks that it seems both AMD and Intel have pushed their cpus so far this gen for almost no extra gain.

@Ariane-Bouchard

Жыл бұрын

@@axegash2790 I've never watched his content. I'll give it a go. Thanks for the recommendation.

I'm looking forward to the B650 reviews and updated cost per frame analysis (in terms of total system cost)

@fajaradi1223

Жыл бұрын

Yes, also will these power hungry processors fried the VRM's.

@mddunlap03

Жыл бұрын

@@fajaradi1223 based on? B650s have typically the same or just a few stages less in the vrm. You could run 500w cpu on the x670 boards and not need any cooling in fact debour removed the heatsinks on his vrm and was running a overclocked x7950. The heatsinks on amd vrm is just a gimik because they are so overbuilt but the same can not be done with z790 boards.

@mddunlap03

Жыл бұрын

Also they better keep the same testing in 2 years when we drop in a cpu and intell has to buy a new mobo and ram. It's dumb to buy into a dead platform unless you already ready have a intell system. Me waiting for the 7800x3d to just wipe the floor with the 13900k.

@fajaradi1223

Жыл бұрын

@@mddunlap03 Just curious tho. Last year, we've seen Steve butchering numerous of bad board on his round up review. Wonder if it'll be ever happened again.

Just want to say that in addition to the stellar benchmarks, your b-roll shots are consistently interesting. Thanks for all the hard work and hope you can get some rest now that some of the heaviest periods are done.

Will we be seeing a “cooler scaling” video this generation Steve? I see many references to platform costs, but this seems to presume one will buy a big AIO. If RPL is throttling on those, what will it do on affordable air coolers?

@RicochetForce

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, many cases do not have the space for a 280 or 360 AIO. Other folks don't have the budget to buy one of these things just to get stock performance.

@yurimodin7333

Жыл бұрын

on my GF's pc we put a NHD-15s on her 12700f(nonK). With power limits removed etc it holds 4.5 on all the P-cores and stays in the low 80s with a stress test. Just like in the review he had to back it down to 4.7 to get sane temps. So ppl can either save a bunch of $ with nonK chips B series boards and air cooling OR double their costs with the K&Z tax plus 360aio bare minimum to ride the razor's edge while STILL pushing 100c.

@InfiniteDarkMass

Жыл бұрын

Great point, actually!

@lhv2k

Жыл бұрын

Because it's unneeded, atleast for this i5 cpu. There are 3 scenarios, first is when you buy this for gaming only, which makes cooler irrelevant since in gaming the cpu would barely do anything work, and the i5 is still the best value like in this video. The other 2 scenarios are when you buy this for game + work or just work, in those cases you will need a better cooler for the i5 compare to 7600x or 5800x3D, but in return you get massive performance gain in productivity, which will far offset that cooler price, and still makes the i5 much better option. So in all 3 scenarios the i5 is always the winner, hence adding a cooler scaling is completely unnecessary.

@aculturedman.9172

Жыл бұрын

The results here are really confusing. I’m using a $50 ID cooling frostflow 240mm rad in an 11L itx case and with my 13600k hitting 200 watts in Cinebench r23 (all power limits removed on MSI Z690i Unify) I peaked at 81C on the CPU package temp. No idea why they are hitting 100C

At 16:10, in the cost-per-frame analysis, how come the DDR5-6400 memory used with the i5 is only $200, while the DDR5-6000 memory used with the 7600x is $280? Usually, faster memory is more expensive. Also, why don't you make a point of testing both Intel and AMD parts with the same DDR5 memory, like you did with DDR4?

@jmhagle

Жыл бұрын

The ryzen ddr5 might be their version of xmp and costs more than standard xmp ddr5? Just guessing

@arowden

Жыл бұрын

In the chart the 13600K with DDR5 is $330 + $280 + $180 and for the 7600x it's $300 + $280 +$290. I'm pretty sure the the second number is for the ram cost, so $280 for both (could be argued the 7600x DDR5-6000 ram should be slightly cheaper than the 13500k DDR-6400, but I'm not sure how much of a cost difference there currently is between those two). The big price difference though is the $180 vs $290 for the motherboard and I think that largely comes down to being able to use Z690 and B660 motherboards for Raptor like vs only the brand new X670 for Zen 4.

@cheshirster

Жыл бұрын

@@arowden B650 motherboards had already arrived with prices starting from 170$.

@OReinert

Жыл бұрын

@@arowden You're right, I managed to confuse the numbers. The subheading of the slide does actually state it's CPU+RAM+Motherboard. Thanks! So it really is the mobo costs that makes up the bulk of the cost difference.

@aninditabasak7694

Жыл бұрын

@@jmhagle Ryzens are optimized for expo ddr5 memory.

What I find fascinating is you have a PC generation jump that basically requires higher power consumption across the board - about to collide with the biggest energy crunch in the western world because of pipeline drama etc... As winter rolls into the EU and you start seeing these energy bills rise even more - I think the appetite for power hungry PCs is going to drop like a stone. It is going to be really interesting to see how this generation plays out because I would guess it will not be great. I hope I am wrong.

@alvar891

Жыл бұрын

Will only make undervolting more popular. Ppl will fall off the bleeding edge diminishing returns of even the factory boost settings. Losing a few fps you will not notice on decent resolutions to save hundreds of watts is a no brainer. Even the cooling improvements will benefit with these hot chips.

@afriendofafriend5766

Жыл бұрын

Look up eco mode results, you can turn down the performance on zen 4 a ton without really losing performance.

@Meowkowhy

Жыл бұрын

@@alvar891 how do you "save hundreds of watts" by "losing a few fps". You want to go from 100W on gpu to 0? That will make you lose more than "a few fps"

@alvar891

Жыл бұрын

@@Meowkowhy Meant the total power draw. Undervolting the gpu also. Some of the high end cpus like the 13900k peaked over 350watts and the rtx 4090 also goes well over 400w. Can see both of those reducing a few hundred watts. Out of the box even the 13600k seems to have no limits sucking up double of what could be tuned off.

@wmp0074

Жыл бұрын

@@alvar891 $700 CPU and $1600 GPU and you're concerned about the electric bill? I'd just get a gaming laptop if I wanted to save on my electric bill.

Thank you for including previous-gen CPUs like the 10700k, which I have. Makes it very easy to compare how they have changed. :)

@katech6020

Жыл бұрын

10700K is still very good. I am still on skylake

@TheGamerUnknown

Жыл бұрын

@@katech6020 I'm not planning on upgrading this generation, but I was curious how much they've improved. 13600k seems like on avg. 43% faster for gaming, which isn't bad. Prob wait until next generation (14th gen).

@Frosty_V0

Жыл бұрын

@@katech6020 it’s not very good anymore, it’s decent, at best

@katech6020

Жыл бұрын

@@Frosty_V0 It is way better than what I have (i5-6200U dual core)

@suit1337

Жыл бұрын

yeah, it is quite helpful too see popular models like the 3700X there too

Looking forward for the 13400. Even if it's just a rebranded 12600K, if priced aggressively as usual, should an interesting value CPU.

@tuckerhiggins4336

Жыл бұрын

Intel can't do that. They have to raise their profit margin. They really should be charging far more

@MrUploader14

Жыл бұрын

@@tuckerhiggins4336 it will be more expensive than the 12400f but I would say it will be priced at 299.

@NelsonCruz77

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrUploader14 that's too high. No room for 13600 non-K and 13500.

@mparagames

Жыл бұрын

@@NelsonCruz77 I tthink the 13400 will just have no e cores so in tha case, it won't be a rebranded 12600k

@NelsonCruz77

Жыл бұрын

@@mparagames that would mean no improvement from the 12400. Wccftech leaked the specs of almost all Raptor Lake SKUs at the beginning of September. 13400 is 6P+4E cores, 20MB cache, DDR5-4800 support, 4.6GHz max. Just like a 12600K but with 300MHz less. Then it showed up on the PassMark database, with performance very close to the 12600K. The rumor is these will be rebranded Alder Lakes, and not real Raptor Lakes. Memory support is a clue. All others support DDR5-5600.

What a perfect video! Amazed at the amount of testing you guys do to bring out these charts. Thanks A Lot!

Steve did you try any of the am5 processors with comparable 6400mhz RAM?

Awesome review as always, and yes competition is great!

One thing I wish to mention about your cost analysis, the cooler is an important part of that graph given the very wide range of power draw. The 5800X3D can get away a cheaper cooler than AMD 7000 CPUs can and certainly much cheaper than anything intel 13.

@msansjr

Жыл бұрын

Very hard to factor this in, but important nonetheless, after a quick look in newegg I'd say that the difference to a 360 AIO to a 240 is about 50 dollars. And then there are the cases that are able to fit these coolers and pump this hot air out... this is getting out of hand!

@divijmehendru6206

Жыл бұрын

@@msansjr you can use an ak620 to cool the 13900k as mentioned by hardwarecanucks and im guessing a ak400 for the 13600k? thas 60$ and 25$ coolers.

@qwertyouriop2

Жыл бұрын

When you have thermal headroom, what’s the point in not using it? It’s not like intel 13th gen is burning you lmao? It’s just slightly hotter. You all care way too much about slight thermal increases.

@divijmehendru6206

Жыл бұрын

@@qwertyouriop2 if you are buying the 13600k vs the 13900k or 7950x, you obviously care about money, so if a much cheaper cooler performs more than 93% multicore and same single core v/s a 360mm aio, then i think thats a win! also, i think intel and amd saying their cpus dont degrade under 100c and 95c is only for the warranty of the cpu. the best case scenario for them is if your cpu fails after 1day and 3years, so i dont care about that figure, i would like to run it as cool as possible!

@qwertyouriop2

Жыл бұрын

@@divijmehendru6206 Ofc divjii mehendru says the dumbest thing that makes no sense…

How can i load the msi bios 181 watt package for the 13600K as said in the video at 15:05 pls? I have an MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk DDR4

Great video - would love to see a video focused on some of the power saving methods like you did with the 7000 series undervolting.

Could you do a comparison of the 13600k and 7600X using an "okay" air cooler (such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212)? I understand using the best cooling possible for evaluating the maximum performance potential of a new CPU. However, I don't think the users who typically buy this sort of CPU will be pairing it with an expensive 360mm radiator cooling solution.

@RemyRooDadtoo

Жыл бұрын

I agree, plus I try to keep my bills to the minimum especially with almost 100watts more being used to get a little more performance. I still prefer AMD in those terms. Im a penny pincher lol

@jkahgdkjhafgsd

Жыл бұрын

you wouldn't put a 212 on these lmao

@rare6499

Жыл бұрын

Something like an Ak620 is what you would want / not too expensive and would do a fine job.

@lhv2k

Жыл бұрын

The result would still be the same, in gaming both can use the same cooler since cpus don't do much in gaming, an okay cooler would works fine, so the value result don't need to factor in cooler. In productivity yes you will need a better cooler for the i5 compare to the 7600x, but in return you get so much more performance uplift, making the cooler price difference irrelevant and the i5 would still be a much better choice in that case.

@randalllawkin

Жыл бұрын

yeah way better cpu coolers for the same price that have the performance of the D15

Not interested, the chip is too hot. Even with a custom look that I usually build, this is just too much power for the performance gains. 7950x is the best CPU on the market now by far for desktop PCs.

@warking4257

Жыл бұрын

im going from a i7 8700 to 7900x,good choice ?

@Solrac-Siul

Жыл бұрын

Honestly do not focus on those power consumption you see in the reviews. Generally speaking the average user is not running benchmarks to gtaher the maximum performance or frames. The average consumption of those cpus, independently of being amd or intel , is far far lower. and the temps also. I have a 12700k , and it Rarelly goes above 72 degrees, and that is when doing something unusual. in games the temp is on the 60 if the game is actually demanding and it is summer , on most days it overs 50 or so. The power consumption also rarelly ever gets close to 190 w, specially since i game at 2 or 4k resolution, so the graphic card is the one doing the work, and the cpu rarelly goes beyond 60%. Outside of game all my other activities do not push the cpu in any considerable form. the temp right now while writing this is 32 º with slightly above 2% load.

@DJCryonic

Жыл бұрын

@@Solrac-Siul As someone who does work with rendering, streaming etc. and pays a crapload for electricity every month - that adds up. And I love hardware that has a decent headroom for overclocking in both temps and voltage/power department. No freakin way I would accept hardware that is thermal throttling out of the box with the best off the shelf cooling out there. My 5800X is currently tuned to 65W and I rarely remove that for specific workloads or games. The performance drop is minimal, but the power consumption is very low. I expected way greater efficiency with this generation. Performance crown is nothing when the CPU is constantly trying to roast itself even with a custom watercooling loop.

@rENEGADE666JEDI

Жыл бұрын

and it can run 16 virtual machines on it which will work very well. there are no option for this on the i9 ;)

Do you have any word on the grinder mill if they are going to refresh the ddr4 g skill trident z to have the royal edition on ddr5...

Hello Steve, plz I would like to ask u something which is how do I calculate system of power consumption? as I use corona rendering for my work and would like to know it

Holy Shit the 5800X3D is on par with the 13600k @ DDR5 6400 in the 12 Game average. That's incredibly impressive and means that if you're already on AM4 getting a 5800X3D is the way to go.

@afriendofafriend5766

Жыл бұрын

Always has been.

@valrond

Жыл бұрын

And it is better in games that REALLY push the CPU, like ACC, MSFS, DCS, etc.

@Safetytrousers

Жыл бұрын

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@aravindpallippara1577

Жыл бұрын

@@cnhtol1586 it's a gaming cpu?

@demnogonis346

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention the drastically lower energy consumption and without the need for a cold room to cool it.

7800x3d will be an epic crushing cpu upgrade for the 7600X and 7700X owners like me. I am looking to the future , not current benchmarks. 14th gen intel will need new mobo, so I didn't get that for my system this month, I got am5 so I can drop in new cpu in future. 7700x does better in games, and why i wanted it and bought it.

@timothyandrewnielsen

Жыл бұрын

Sort of dumb to buy a 7700k now then upgrade in a few months

@FrostyBud777

Жыл бұрын

@@timothyandrewnielsen i mean, the 7700x just came out, Im on 5 year old hardware and didnt want to buy intel. I want a new pc for my b day this saturday and throught this winter/christmas to play while its cold and snowing, plus I want to be able to play all my games without cpu bottleneck and to play new games coming out like ill, the day before, calypso protocol, etc, with a good CPU and it only makes sense to get 7700x cause i can upgrade in a year or two, NOT MONTHS, cause the 7700x will be fine at least a year or two, then upgrade, while intel will need need mobo and I didnt want to have to do all that. futureproof. I will get 7800x3d in a few years, not months. but it is and option in the future, but intel owners will be stuck on 13 gen boards when 14th gen releases but amd wont. It's why i went with amd this time after 15 years with intel.

The i5 is $329 on Newegg right now. So what’s the sane gpu pairing for it? Curious if gpu pricing is going to skew low and mid pc builds for this Holiday season.

I love to see a best ram kit guide for raptor lake CPUs ... I'm planning to go for ddr5 but not sure which one is best

I was saying this since Zen3: *6C12T CPU is not a $300 CPU, it belongs at $200 range.* - didn't even need any benchmarks for that.

@defeqel6537

Жыл бұрын

From business perspective, increasing the price when demand went skyhigh was the correct choice, now the demand has died down, so prices must come down too

@mroutcast8515

Жыл бұрын

@@notenjoying666 it's $299 at Microcenter and $329 at new egg. But nice try also it's 6C12T+8eC (aka 14C20T)which is massive in productivity workloads, beating R5 7600K by 50% margin in some workloads which scale proportionally with cores. AMD's offer is absolutely EMBARASSING. It wasn't selling even without competition.

What was the reason for the speed difference in DDR5 memory between AMD and Intel? 6000 vs 6400

@demnogonis346

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that thing stinks.

@jordangames2560

Жыл бұрын

Intel can hold higher speeds stock

Honestly. AM5 Motherboard prices are a bigger issue than the CPU prices at the moment. Both need to come down, but MB prices in particular - there are no low or mid range boards right now for B or X series chipsets. It's actually more of a deterrent to AM5 adoption than DD5. AMD and their board partners HAD to have seen this coming and were either banking on people being desperate for the new product and not simply saying no to these jacked up prices. Be it greed or just incompetence they're handing sales to Intel who are offering that can't compete on power efficiency, and is all but garuanteed to be a dead socket with no upgrade path.

With cost for electricity rising, if building a new system, the power consumption cost difference can probably even out after a few years, maybe seeing some minor electricity savings long term. Of course assuming default performance and not under volting to maximize performance for wattage, highly dependent on cost per area. I wonder what under volt performance would look for these two CPUs and if there is more disparity or not between them. Especially for more budget minded builds, taking into account electrical costs might start becoming more relevant when evaluating parts than just upfront costs.

What I'm curious to see the most is how Raptor Lake fares in terms of price to performance with the most reasonably priced DDR4 memory, cheapest motherboard and an air cooler. You'd have to power limit the CPUs for the air cooler to be able to handle them of course, but how much performance would you end up losing?

@Daeyae

Жыл бұрын

Air coolers are better than water coolers like 90% of the time

@chrys9256

Жыл бұрын

@@Daeyae They're better in terms of price to performance as well as being overall more reliable with fewer points of failure. But strictly In terms of cooling performance they hit a lower ceiling compared to AIOs. I'd take an air cooler every time over 240 AIOs, but even top air coolers like the Noctua NH-D15 can't compete with 360 AIOs. They're a lot more expensive though and you need big cases to fit them, which is why I want to see how viable air coolers are for the latest CPUs, it would be ridiculous if 360 AIOs were suddenly a minimum requirement.

@Daeyae

Жыл бұрын

@@chrys9256 Air coolers can compete with 360AIOs, not a custom loop but AIOs are dog shit

@tmsphere

10 ай бұрын

@@Daeyae you clearly got some tiny super cheap AIO to test with, AIOs dont even underperform vs custom loops, ppl just like the look of custom loops but they dont offer much performance upgrade, also more points for failure than any AIO.

well played Intel! Good to see competition back, to drive prices lower and performance increase!

Steve would you please make the same comparison but @4K? Does it hurt performance as much to get ddr4 memory and mobo for the 13600K if all I do is 4K 165hz gaming?

Considering many people already have DDR4 to reuse, the value proposition tilt even further to Intel, AMD need a price drop quick.

@Avenge_Computers

Жыл бұрын

not only that he was testing with average ddr4...

@maou5025

Жыл бұрын

The CPU isn't cost that much. The real cost is the platform ( mobo + ram ). The only good build this time is 13400f + b660 + ddr4 (last gen cuz this gen are damn expensive).

@rdmz135

Жыл бұрын

@@maou5025 13400f is alder lake and way slower

@maou5025

Жыл бұрын

@@rdmz135 The different between alder and raptor is e core, cache and clock speed. It's not a new uArch like meteor lake supposed to be. And what would you do with a powerful CPU? Playing game at 1080p 240fps+?

@Avenge_Computers

Жыл бұрын

@@maou5025 i bought 4400mhz vipers and 12600kf with gigabyte aorus z690 for $400 US

Instead of lowering the power target to 151W can you lower the operating voltage a bit to achieve similar results without sacrificing performance?

@Soutar3DG

Жыл бұрын

Lowering the voltage can make the CPU unstable.

TLDR I want to be able to disable c states etc and all power saving bs and manually set a permanent clock speed in the bios and have those clock speeds show 24/7 while on the desktop. Can this be achieved with these chips like I could with my 4790k?

Question: Do we have to use a water cooler on the Intel Core i5-13600K or non-K versions?

Not surprised that a CPU with 14 cores and 20 threads beat out a 6c/12t CPU. You are correct that AMD needs to cut the price of this part, as it is not in the same category, lacking the 8 E cores. This puts it more against the 7700X or 7900X for productivity, but at a much cheaper price. Intel have this market covered unless AMD make big changes.

@afriendofafriend5766

Жыл бұрын

Don't do anything in gaming, which is what the majority of us care about.

@Vhalikuporamee447

Жыл бұрын

The most appropriate move that AMD can make right now is to release the 3D models as soon as possible.

@davidmccarthy6390

Жыл бұрын

@@afriendofafriend5766 That is true, but there a few things to consider here: 1/ life of the platform. AM5 is a new platform and AMD has hinted at similar support of AM5 as they gave AM4, so to future-proof, AM5 is the go. If however you are building a game rig with price/performance as your No 1, then the Raptor Lake chips make sense, as the socket is as mature as its going to get. The upcoming 13400K could end up being the sweet spot for gamers. But this is the last line that will use the LGA1700 socket, so this platform is a dead end going forward. (Why does Intel keeep doing this???) 2/ value This is where the 13th gen parts make sense, with cheaper boards available from 12 th gen also, plus the choice of DDR4 or DDR5 setups. At the moment AM5 boards are expensive, with B650 starting at A$320 and X670 starting at A$540 just for the motherboard. In time they will come down, but at this stage they are premium prices. And all AM5 Mb's require DDR5. The performance of the 13th gen parts in gaming is very strong, it will probably take the R7XXX 3D chips to surpass them in gaming. We'll have to see.

I highly appreciate that you tested 10th gen Intel CPUs. I have an i7 10700k and it still performs great 😃👍

@TheKelz

Жыл бұрын

Have i9 10850k but its still sad how steamrolled they are in these benchmarks lol. All games have like 100+ FPS more easily

@thetechrealist

Жыл бұрын

@@TheKelz Only in 1080p my guy, only in 1080p, all while using the best components. So your CPU won't be outdated anytime soon if you are playing 1440p or above.

@TheKelz

Жыл бұрын

@@thetechrealist unfortunately even at 1440p it gets beaten pretty handily, but I get your point. Definitely far from being obsolete.

Super information on the battle of the brands at the moment, can't thank your channel enough for this type of information. I will be certainly waiting a while longer whilst these prices come down and there is some clear path to choose. Cheers guys amazing work

Planning on building new PC from scratch. Was going to buy 12600K, but it seems obsolete with 13600K coming up and the price doesn't differ that much. Is it a good idea to build it with MB which supports DDR4 RAM or go straight for FFR5, which seems quite expensive now.

While the 5800X3D is amazing and will probably be picking one up myself in a few months... if you look at it from a productivity perspective the 13600k outclasses it substantially while also keeping the gaming performance pretty close and the total platform cost similar. If you are only gaming and already have a motherboard/ram to use with it then the 5800X3D can't really be beaten, but if you have productivity needs and game on the side then the intel part is the clear choice.

@kng_bg1616

Жыл бұрын

Well said

@emregocmen9562

Жыл бұрын

If I look at the charts it's better to buy an i7-13700k or i9 13900k tbh, especially if you want to make the best of DDR4 RAM. I want to wait for the Zen 4 7000 X3D series but you are required to have DDR5 and the new gen MoBo..

@spectre722

Жыл бұрын

where i live 13600k and a b660 board is like only hundred more than a 5800x3d. if i was upgrading i'd rather go with the new intel platform..

@RarePotions

Жыл бұрын

@@emregocmen9562 Well if you want the absolute best productivity performance than yeah obviously it’s better to go with the higher end parts. But the 13600k has the best price to performance which is why I was comparing it to the 5800X3D, which also has very good P2P but mostly for gaming and not productivity.

@emregocmen9562

Жыл бұрын

@@RarePotions for sure the 13600k is a really good bang for your buck💪

Why is the 13600K tested with ddr5-6400 while the 7600X with ddr5-6000? Differing from how you test ddr4 platforms, with all using the same ram speeds and latency. Are those the most cost effective options for either platform? Or amd not capable of running at 6400?

@NAmania

Жыл бұрын

AMD specifically mandated from reviewers that they test their new CPUs with a partucular set of DDR5 - 6000 memory. However, if memory serves me right I believe that Steve also did some preliminary testing with 6400 memory and found little to no benefit in it.

@makuta101937

Жыл бұрын

I saw another comment saying that AMD actually requested that type of ram. Perhaps zen4 doesn’t play well with the fastest possible ram?

@oskarelmgren

Жыл бұрын

@@NAmania Ok, that would explain the 6000 speed on the R7. The benefit aspect seems strange though. Intel 13 has huge gains going from 4-3600 to 5-6400. Ryzen 7 doesn't have significantly more cache that intel 13... Guess more reviews will tell!

Thanks for all the great benchmarks guys!

Really good content!! Already a patron member ! Keep up the good work!

does it mean that i need to buy a 360mm aio to keep it at least at 5ghz all/core? Would be nice to see some thermal/frequency tests with cheaper cooling solutions

@vMaxHeadroom

Жыл бұрын

Certainly not, a good mid to high air cooler will do the job or a 280mm AIO and AIO's have dropped in price especially the stellar Liquid Freezer II which is a stunning AIO and a low cost...

@vermillion4971

Жыл бұрын

@@vMaxHeadroom Thanks, its pretty ridiculous though that i need such level cooling for an i5...

Just goes to show: vigorous competition quickly spurs rapid innovations which, ultimately, benefits everyone! BTW which cpu(s) are best for virtualization applications?

@pham3383

Жыл бұрын

Ryzen 9 7950x beat i9 13900k for professional app Either i7 13th or r7 7700x I5 13th gen

@kingplunger6033

Жыл бұрын

and power consumption... :/

@niter43

Жыл бұрын

Interesting question, with modern hardware I've always just assumed that virtualization is next to zero cost (so whatever CPU MT benchmark score is higher without virtualization is better), but maybe there's some funny stuff happening depending on platform. AFAIK Some Windows 10/11 features rely on Hyper-V being enabled (WSL2, some security features, etc), and if it's enabled Windows you're using is virtualized already. If Microsoft is doing that silently, then it's probably really next to free.

How is the i5 hitting tjmax on a 360mm aio when other alder lake chips pushing more wattage on the same cooler still had thermal headroom? What am i missing here? My 12600k pushed hard and pulling 210 w in blender sits in the mid 80s on a 280mm aio? (lian li mini case full fans ). Also considering other vids showing the impressive oc headroom on the i5 id like to think that it would be useable without a custom loop, lapping etc. Good vid as always just looking for some clarity on this one .

@dracer35

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering the same thing. My 12900ks can pull 399 watts at peak and my max temp with my Artic AIO was 97c and averaged 94c. Then adding the $4 Thermaltake CPU contact frame dropped my max load temps all the way down to 82c on the same AIO. I just don't see how they hit TJ max on a 360mm AIO with that wattage unless there was a pretty significant airflow restriction or a problem with the AIO.

@mushbeck

Жыл бұрын

@@dracer35 i figured it out, different stress test hit the cores differently. You would think if wattage is semi the same the temp would be semi the same but not exactly. try linpack extreme , an all core stress test on that and my i5 thermal throttles very quickly. All in all different loads have different effects on the cores so total wattage isnt a perfect indicator of thermals. also was it easy to install using the thermaltake frame without any torque instructions ? scared to go to any other than grizzly one as the grizzly has solid tolerance and torque instructions.

@dracer35

Жыл бұрын

@@mushbeck The contact frame was super easy to install. The Gamers Nexus video shows their install method which is what most people should do. I had my own tool along with the one that came in the package so I was able to turn two opposing screws a 1/4 turn at the same time until snug. Temp drop alone is well worth it in my opinion.

@mushbeck

Жыл бұрын

@@dracer35 might give it a go later down the line than . cheers

Steve, I know you said you'd opt to build an 13600K system if you needed to build new at this time. And based on your testing I strongly agree. But which memory type would you go for based on price to performance at this time?

@azhp42069

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget to consider future upgrade costs when choosing RAM. You can carry forward DDR5 to your next motherboard, but probably not DDR4.

Thx for adding Intel 10th gen as well in the benchmarks.. As it's shows to me that I'm still very much GPU limited with my Intel i7 10700K, 32GB DDR4 3600, RTX 3080 10GB system playing at 3840x1600 (160Hz) resolution.. So no need to upgrade the CPU, MB and RAM, probably not even when I upgrade the GPU fist again.. Probably gonna wait with that until next gen of GPU's as well, Nvidia 50-series or something..

@qwertyouriop2

Жыл бұрын

Who asked?

@ppgabe

Жыл бұрын

@@qwertyouriop2 Me.

@lughar

Жыл бұрын

@@qwertyouriop2 me.

@Penta_I

Жыл бұрын

@@qwertyouriop2 Me.

@Mystic-4252

Жыл бұрын

@@qwertyouriop2 I asked

I would like to see tests with a normal air cooler that alot of people would purchase. 360 AIO water coolers isnt realistic and massive air coolers isnt realistic either for alot of people. both the 7600x and the 13600k would be more interesting with this kind of limitation.

@TheNubaHS

Жыл бұрын

not realistic? arent 360 aios cheap nowadays?

@foxx9555

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNubaHS They're cheaper but still they're used mostly by more experienced users. Average Joe wants something as little complicated as he can get. You would be suprised how many computers with something like Core i7 I've repaired with basic stock coolers, because they're more convienient and easier to install.

@TheNubaHS

Жыл бұрын

@@foxx9555 average joe will always pick the AIO over the noctua's gigantic turtle of doom. unless you mean the standard intel cooler but does it even comes with the 13600k?

@paullasky6865

10 ай бұрын

I'm running the 13600k with a 240 AIO and a contact frame. In gaming doesn't really go above 70° If I process a video it gets to 99° Without the contact frame it got to 100° and a throttle

@tmsphere

10 ай бұрын

360 AIOs cost less than higher end cooler boxes, its better cooling for less money (but shorter lifespan bc fans can be replaced for cheap and solid radiators can live 100s of years tho you always come up against higher RAM stick heights.) Bought a run of the mill 360 AIO and I can leave 100% stress test on all cores for 10 minutes and the highest core temperature doesnt pass 82c so you have a lot of headroom.

Thanks for the great work. Could you include MSFS in your CPU testing, please? Since it’s one of the few CPU-bound games, it seems like an obvious choice.

@ernestwinslow7316

Жыл бұрын

Msfs2020 was once a regular in the list of games tested but HU but for some unknown reasons, it is been dropped. We really would appreciate open world game test too.

hey steve, quick question - how many litres of thermal paste do you use daily

I see little to none reason for a regular AM4 owner move to AM5, results of 5800x3d are still solid in terms of gaming performance. I guess I would swap after 1-2 years of current console generation.

@iikatinggangsengii2471

Жыл бұрын

true am4 and rx6k/rtx3ks are at best price atm, super cheap considering perf given

Please make some real-life scenario testing using tower AIR cooling. How many people are using expensive 360 AIO, especially with lower-tier CPUs? We want to see benchmarks for both RaptorLake and ZEN 4 with some common cooling.

@Cuthalu

Жыл бұрын

360 mm doesn't cost that much anymore, Arctic's price/performance is absolutely insane, outperforms much more expensive models.

Awesome video! This is what I was waiting for! Hell yeah guys I might upgrade but maybe in a few months whenever I find good or decent sale

The amount of details you guys put to test is amazing. Top notch reporting.

@elendilion

Жыл бұрын

Top notch swords!

Man, I'm so tempted to buy the 5800X3D. If there's a good black Friday/cyber Monday deal on it, I think I might.

In regards to 16:45, a cost analysis with more sweet spot DDR4 3600Mhz CL16 memory would be super useful since if it's a $100 cheaper set of ram (I think most 32GB kits with those speeds are like $120-130) and decreases performance by only a 1-3% I feel like it would drastically shift the graph around. Maybe a video purely about the best bang for your buck cpu out of Ryzen 3000/500/7000 and Intel 12/13 gen in a bunch of different use cases? Either way great video!

@zeropride1133

Жыл бұрын

in the games that ddr5 helps it can reach over 20% performance loss due to ddr4. No one in their right mind should be using ddr4 on 13th gen.

@lakuspakus8782

Жыл бұрын

I agree some tests including 3600 CL16 would be great. Even 3200. I see a lot of people claiming DDR5 is pretty much a scam, DDR4 will get you better performance on average and that DDR5 costs double of DDR4. Which I just dont get. Like, if youve got the DDR4 already, great. But if you dont, thats still money you have to pay, and DDR5 really isnt expensive on the level people make it out to be.

@Jacob-dr5mr

Жыл бұрын

​@@zeropride1133 The cheaper DDR4 3600 CL16 ram would be AMD 3000/5000 systems, since the way more expensive ram doesn't offer that much of a performance lift

I'd love to see those total system cost graphs updated to include the prices of the coolers required for different power. CPUs.

Just how strong are the E cores? Can you disable in bios and test them by themselves? Is that even possible?

I feel the price of the CPU itself is fair. It's honestly just those damn motherboards. Otherwise, in most gaming scenarios you're still gonna be GPU bottlenecked. With the am5 platform having better longevity and efficiency, I still feel it a compelling option. We'll know for certain how compelling it is when zen 4 x3D comes out 😈

@thepunic5261

Жыл бұрын

Its not fair at all, just like zen 1 and 2 era, one company is offering more cores for less money and that being intel here not only that but more availability and much cheaper platform as a whole, more flexibility (ddr4 & 5) thunderbolt support, etc. Its just a no brainer for any content creator to pick this cpu. And gamers too. Not only that the thread director in windows 11 saw a big improvement with e cores utilisation.

@afriendofafriend5766

Жыл бұрын

@@thepunic5261 Yeah but they aren't real cores. They don't matter for gaming.

@warlordwossman5722

Жыл бұрын

@@afriendofafriend5766 it is not like real cores beyond 6 or 8 really matter for gaming either...

@thepunic5261

Жыл бұрын

@@afriendofafriend5766 they do matter for gaming its just they're not as fast as the P cores, but in reality they are stronger than the 7700k cores, its like having a 7600x and a 7700k 8 cores cpu working together that's what the 13600k is. of course you want to game on your 7600x. again they're offering MORE CORES for the same price as amd, whether its 13600K or the 13700k. never forget that the non K skus are gonna arrive soon with the sub 300$ 13400f and sub 150$ 13100f, which will render the whole amd lineup useless consumer wise.

@lldjslim

Жыл бұрын

Finally AMD is getting it's ASS handed to them not just by performance, power draw, and Temps but also by price. Oh yeah and when AMD releases the V3D cache ryzen CPUS , we'll intel will be ready for that launch too, with a 16 all P-core CPU called the 13900KS with no E-cores that will smash all of AMD's V3D cache line up. Well AMD fanboys it looks like the party is over, Intel is back and it's time to put the crown on the new budget king

Just curious about some of your 5800x3d results. In 7700x review its less then 10% faster then 5800x in Cyberpunk but in intel reviews its almost 40% faster then 5800x in Cyberpunk. Can you provide any explanation it seems error in testing has sneaked in somewhere ?

@allthetimespentgaming2950

Жыл бұрын

4090 vs 3090ti

@danivinci

Жыл бұрын

@@allthetimespentgaming2950 That doesn't explain difference in cpu performance. There were higher performing cpus with 3090ti, which means 5800x3d wasn't bottlenecked with 3090ti. Also I am not comparing results from different reviews, meaning I compared 5800 and 5800x3d with 3090ti and then again with 4090. There should be similar difference, yet difference is huge

Any reason in the cost per frame (total platform) graph you assumed such expensive motherboards for AM4 and LGA 1700? Also didn't show the r5 5600; just the far more expensive X variant?

Its in seasons like this that I wish I lived in America, I keep seeing reviews saying ohh its 300$... 400$ but here in Europe for some freaking reason the 300$ is closer to 400€ and the 400$ is over 500€ not to mention prices of a decent motherboard that is almost as expensive as the CPU itself if not more. So CPU+MB+RAM combo is already over 1.2k, like WTF happened!?.... You used to be able to build brand new entire systems with that money and the currency value is almost identical! Soon enough people will be switching to consoles.

Looking forward to 13900ks and zen 4 3d v cache reviews when they become available. Btw are you using top tier thermal paste for those cpus? I think it would really help generally and especially in the case of the top raptor lake cpus in combination with the 360 and 420 coolers.

@danilolimadossantos1

Жыл бұрын

The thing is, like in last Gen, the 3D VCache refresh will come next year, probably closer to the 14th gen launch than 13th gen. And it will feature a Node and architecture change and bigger cache (12th to 13th is not a big change, just some adjustments in the core, bigger cache, and brute forcing through power increase). So I expect that even if 7700X3D takes the lead, 14th will quickly take it back a few months after it.

@ValyEK

Жыл бұрын

@@danilolimadossantos1 Will 14th gen come in Q1-Q2 next year ? Because many sources point at Zen4 3D coming in Q1.

@danilolimadossantos1

Жыл бұрын

@@ValyEK zen43D is Q2 2023, with a shot for AMD to anticipate to the end of Q1. 14th Gen is Q3 2023

@ValyEK

Жыл бұрын

@@danilolimadossantos1 Sources, rumors, anything for both statements ? Never heard of Q3 14th gen launch.

@ValyEK

Жыл бұрын

Laptop may launch Q3, but desktop is looking like a Zen5 competitor. All rumors still. Even if it comes earlier, the platform is still dead and what you will account for a cheaper platform now will result in an expensive upgrade to 14-15th gen in the future. Save 60$ now, pay more later.

What is impressive to me is that 5800X3D on those charts. Great video.

@HK.Builds

Жыл бұрын

@@tilapiadave3234 I bought it a while back and got a great deal on it.

@mikewil7571

Жыл бұрын

@@HK.Builds it's garbage compared to these newer ryzen and especially intel cpus.

With 1440p gaming becoming more and more common, would you consider adding Cost per Frame graphs for 1440p? I imagine with games becoming (more) GPU bottlenecked at higher resolutions, that could possibly shuffle the results around a bit.

@valhallaoutcast

Жыл бұрын

yeah I game at 1440p with a 3080 and a Ryzen 5 3600, I would upgrade the CPU tomorrow if I could find a really good reason but its hard to find one other than just because

Do you think Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 or 360 will be enough for i5-13600kf?

are you guys reviewing the Cooler Master Tempest GP27U MiniLED? Alot of people are waiting for your review and cooler master said they sent you guys one.

I completely agree with this. Even the 12600K made the AMD value prospect lower; I have kept watching a price correction for months. AMD right now is in a very bizarre position.

@Angel7black

Жыл бұрын

Ive been saying this for a long time that if AMD didnt raise core counts or seriously drop prices Intel would destroy them and here we are. Its obvious as hell they were cause off gaurd with Alder Lake and believed their own hype and the fanboys that Intel, and absolute tech monolith that has been around for yeaes, was done. Zen 4 is literally just a 12th gen competitor. Theyve basically resorted to pretending E cores are pointless and claiming all their cores are P cores like that makes a difference that they’re getting rolled at half their skews by an i5 in multithreading. If AMD really wanted to compete they woulve stopped selling two R9’s and sold the 7700X as the 7600X. Maybe even drop none x skews for each at $50 less dollars and sold the 7600X as a 7500X for $200. They still wouldve lost in total price to performance but atleast their minshare could carry them And the could put the 7950X against the 13900K at the same price and that wouldve actually probably been a win

The 5800X 3D is a beast of a cpu for gaming. Might be the better value vs Zen4 and Intel 13th gen if mainly game

@RuruFIN

Жыл бұрын

At least as an upgrade if you already have an AM4 board. May just do that myself.

@Patrick-tw7nr

Жыл бұрын

@@RuruFIN that is what I have right now a B550

@whitehavencpu6813

Жыл бұрын

They need to launch a 5900X3D just because there's demand for it. Zen 4 is selling poorly.

Why does the fps written under price pr. frame not match with the 12 game average for either 1080p or 1440p?

@SkandsKvist

Жыл бұрын

Looks like you used the 1 % lows and not the average. Was this on purpose?

Anybody in the comments know if they have done anything to correct for the retention mechanism issue?

Jarrod's Tech tested using the same RAM and thought the 7600 was better. Perhaps it would be good to try the 6000 CL 30 memory on Intel and the 6600 CL 32 memory on AMD to test whether the lower latency or high clocked RAM improves performance. It might not be the manufacturer's recommendation, but if it's stable and faster, does that matter?

@sumawardhen198

Жыл бұрын

in term of power consumption, efficiency clock per clock and core per core. yes 7600X is way better. However with same or a bit more $, intel gives us 14 cores 20 Thread which..... no match against 6 cores 12 Thread. Till amd increase its core on lower segment, Intel always win in mid-range - mid-high level processor

@SweatyFeetGirl

Жыл бұрын

@@sumawardhen198 Zen 5 will probably be a large increase in cores

@savygaming007

Жыл бұрын

@@SweatyFeetGirl but intel will come up with it 5nm node

@yosar6107

Жыл бұрын

​@@sumawardhen198 Yes, and as extra gift with these cores you get from intel plethora of problems with hybrid architecture (older games not working, current games problems with thread director, Windows 11 bugs, power hungry processor requiring basically liquid cooling, over 100 C temps et cetera, et cetera). For each his own.

@tandlose

Жыл бұрын

@@sumawardhen198 more accurate to say the intel processor is 8 core 16 thread. Means nothing to say core count and thread count when the cores and thread performance is totally different

50% more of power consumption for Intel. Are sure of your conclusion ?

I am confused, on intel's site it says P cores max turbo frequency is 5.1? So did I miss out on something here? If it is really 5.4 max turbo then this just sold me lol. Also E-core says 3.9 peak in intel site.

Hey guys. Thank you for the amazing work. As you always advice, I have watched reviews from multiple channels for the comparison between 7600X and 13600K. But these reviews use a 4090/3090ti to highlight the performance difference. As I am looking to build a brand new system in Q1 2023. Coupled with a 4070/7700XT class GPU, Which would be the better purchase? Intel's lower starting cost or Amd's platform support (promised) ? System will be used for Gaming (light)/ DaVinci Resolve (intermediate).

Got a question, Will this be on the same socket as 12th gen? If so this is the last (probably) CPU gen for it, as 14th gen will likely support a new socket, as per Intel's typical 2 year socket cycle. AMD is coming into AM5 and if it's the same as AM4, then it'll support at least 3-4 generations. Yes AMD is expensive, but it's coming into it's generational socket as the 13th gen is probably the last supported CPU for the 1700 socket. The question people need to ask right now, Do you want power and performance now? Or Do you want multigenerational support (possible to 4 generations), for future upgradability? These are the questions one needs top ask to decide

@KevinLikesRTS

Жыл бұрын

Amd said they’ll only be supporting this up to 2025, so no. Only two generations for amd.

@crazylarryjr

Жыл бұрын

@@KevinLikesRTS, Really? Last I heard it was at least three generations possibly 4? Still doesn't discount the fact that AMD is coming into the socket as Intel is going out of the socket. But if that is the case I'll just stick to AM4 till i have to upgrade as i still have plenty of room to grow. If that is true then Harvey Dent (The Dark Knight) was right, Die the hero or live long enough to become the villain. if you are right and AMD is now only 2 generations, they just became the villain in my eyes

@alrizo1115

Жыл бұрын

Personally, if I am only gaming on a budget and no video/3d editing work, I'll go with amd. But if I do editing/3D, it's a no brainer. I'll just upgrade everything after 3-4 years.

@KevinLikesRTS

Жыл бұрын

@@crazylarryjr yeah. Watch the gamers nexus video on 7000 series. The timeline is max 2025. Everyone is pissed they aren’t doing more than two generations on it.

Very seriously considering moving from my 8700K to this one, looks like it'll make a huge difference for compilation and video rendering.

@jubayerwasidraiyan5874

Жыл бұрын

make sure you have proper cooling in order to sustain that performance. I think it'd be pretty trash in hotter countries due to the temps

@PowellCat745

Жыл бұрын

Wait for Zen 4 3D. Intel will cut prices after that.

@donkey7921

Жыл бұрын

@@PowellCat745 lol 3d AMD chips haven’t been good for productivity so…

@Snoozy96

Жыл бұрын

@@donkey7921 The only 3d chip wasn't meant for productivity though... It was in the gaming tier with the added benefit of performing well in regards to productivity. You are out of your mind. LOL

@chrisjr6214

Жыл бұрын

​@@PowellCat745 If Zen 4 3D ends up only reflecting in games like the 5800X3D does and doesn't offer overclocking support this time, idk if Intel will feel compelled to lower prices (at least not that much). Even then I'd rather see larger gains in performance at 1440p and higher.

The cost per frrame is great. Thre's any comparation like this but with GPU in another video?

What coolers do you recommend for the 13600k?

For me looks like 7600x will be the smarter upgrade path to chose. In eu the intel cpus are more expensive and their mobos cost mostly the same price as am5. As I saw the trends on ryzen 5000 series previosly, the am5 cpus and mobos price will keep drop with months after their release. I dont have ddr4 rams so I would go for ddr5. There are already games that has like 20% more performance over ddr4 and I think in future games it will be more likely they will utilize ddr5. and am5 boards having support for future ryzen cpus is a huge bonus for later upgrade while z690/z790 reached their ends.

@bagman5369

Жыл бұрын

yeah imagine using intel for 4-6yrs and electricity not getting cheaper. Compounding it will make Amd much cheaper in the long run

@white-bunny

Жыл бұрын

@@bagman5369 Most people don't change their CPUs frequently, so it's not going to sway most customers. The platform costs do, though, and if the above is true, AMD does have a price advantage elsewhere.

@tmsphere

10 ай бұрын

Finding those EXPO DDR5 sticks with low cl is a bitch tho, gotta order from elsewhere and pay VATs.

I would like to see you use the same memory config of both DDR5 systems. Either DDR5 6000 or 6400 on both.

@Angel7black

Жыл бұрын

Im pretty sure AMD themselves came out and said that 6000 was the optimal speed for Zen 4 overall and thats why they use it

@MrBoombast64

Жыл бұрын

@@Angel7black Yes I knewed that, but for consistancy I would like them use the same. Intel has a 5400Mhz for there new SKU so then that should be the speed to use?!

Hi! Im making my oun PC for a 4-5 years, so I want to know what you will recommend - i5 13600K or i7 13700K? Main thing for this PC = gaming in 1440p-4K. Thank you!!

When playing at 4k do the ram speeds between ddr4 vs 5 matter ?

Cost per frame in Germany using same configs roughly would be: AMD (7600x 349€, Gigabyte Aorus B650 290€, 32 GB Kingston Fury Beast 247€) = 895 (825€ with 70€ Cashback on Mobo) CPF=5,11€ (w/o cashback), 4,71 (with cashback) Intel (13600K 385€, MSi B660 Tomahawk 220€ or cheaper AS Rock 200 €, Memory as above 247€) = around 842 €, CPF= 4,81€.

@MrSherhi

Жыл бұрын

If it's standard 6000 and 6400 DDR5 then that's like 240+€ and 6400 is like 380+€ in Slovakia with similar average performance while power consumption is not taken into account which it should be these days.

@simont.2145

Жыл бұрын

@Crypto Arnold Would make a great budget combo with a cheap DDR4 kit

@simont.2145

Жыл бұрын

@Crypto Arnold Yeah, you gotta set some priorities! :D

The 5800x3d looking pretty when it got lowered to $360 prior to the zen 4. Then the zen 4 comes out and reviews come in and they found out how good the 5800x3d really was and it's price goes back up and it's still battles next gen Intel good.

Hi, I want to build a new computer this black friday, I started thinking about it back in july, so I decided that I wanted to go for the 5800x3d if the new cpus didn't impress me, but, looking at this, am I better off with buying a 13600k for 70$ more total price (cpu + mobo + ram) in my area?

@antmiu2

Жыл бұрын

If you are reusing old am4 parts like Power supply, DDR4, Mobo, Cooling AND coming from a 5600x or lower then 5800x3d is the best option but if you are building everything new I would probably go for a 7600x just to get on the long term support AM5 and in the future upgrade for to a X3D (or next ryzen 8000 or 9000) because Intels next cpus (14K series) will be a new platfom (lga 2551).

Do anyone knows when 13500 comes out? Because I didn't find any info about it

Its simply AM5 platform change that's crippling them. But if you have (like me) moved to Zen4 don't panic. Because when those 3d versions come out you will have some fun.

@chrisjr6214

Жыл бұрын

A 7900x3D and 7800x3D isn't going to be cheap though. And if it's only the fastest in gaming 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘴 like the 5800x3D is at 1080p and not much better for productivity, then idk. I can easily see a 7900x3D launching at $699, $800 for a 7950x3D, and $500 for 7800x3D.

@pantzman

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisjr6214 If you look at the numbers in the 13600K review the 5800X3D is about 25~30% faster than all the other Ryzen 5000 parts over the 12 game average. Even at 1440P. If HWUB did a new "41 game benchmark" with the 5800X and 5800X3D on a RTX 4090 I am sure the 5800X3D would increase its lead. Many games in the old video were already GPU limited at 1080P with the 3090Ti.

@dazlad926

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisjr6214 it depends on how much inflation comes down by then. We are going into winter with insane energy prices. People will be spending less on electronics etc so prices will have to come down. It just depends how far down the manufacturing chain those costs will drop. I supply automotive parts to jaguar land rover and the fight for silicone is still a big problem. To the point they have had to put production on hold. But I still think even if they are as high as you said. People will still buy them if they are cream of the crop. 4090s sold out instantly with a price tag of £1700!.

If you are already on the AM4 platform the best upgrade seems to be the 5800x3d. It trades blows with even the highest end new chips in gaming and in some cases beats them.

@marjanp

Жыл бұрын

AMD could stop producing them to force migration to Zen 4.

@Soutar3DG

Жыл бұрын

@@marjanp They'll do that when they release Zen 4 with V-Cache.

@MaTtRoSiTy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this is exactly what I went for and I have to say the AM4 platform has been an absolute bargain. I have upgraded 3x CPU's on the same MB and ram!

@pantzman

Жыл бұрын

If you are already on a Ryzen 5000 I wouldnt bother going with a 5800X3D. Sure the difference is still there, but unless you are on a really high end GPU it is probably not worth it. With older AM4 CPUs it can make perfect sense.

@mattjargon

Жыл бұрын

I play tarkov and star citizen primarily, and the 5800x3d does exceptionally well in those games. so for someone like me, a 5800x3d could last me another few years for a marginal upgrade cost (i'm currently using a 5800x).

Great review! One thing that would be really interesting to find out is performance on MFS2020

Why are we measuring in 1080p with this combo? I get the usage is different with 1440 and 4k but would you really be playing in 1080 so does it really matter? And although we typically see different trends with different resolutions aren't we sometimes surprised with results when doing real world testing? I just don't get it.

Just curious about the recommendations based on CPU value. Should actual platform cost include cost to operate? I am not sure how you would do this ... since energy prices vary from region to region ... but perhaps understanding how long the two builds would need to run before the cost of a more power hungry build negates its own value to a higher entry cost platform with lower operational cost.

@Sam_Saraguy

Жыл бұрын

Watts per frame?

@B16B0SS

Жыл бұрын

@@Sam_Saraguy Yah, I suppose what I was getting it at lets say one GPU is 100 dolalrs and another is 150. The 150 version is seen as a better value due to flat cost but having something that takes into account the operating cost over a year or so. Some immaginary figures might have the 100 as 120 for a year of operation with the 150 being closer to 200 for a year of operation which skews the value of the card to reflect ownership over the span of a year instead of at time of purchase

In the EU the 13600k costs ~€425 and the x3d is €438. So I went with the x3d to replace my 3600.

@JOKEMMM

Жыл бұрын

Waiting for the x3D to drop below 400 :p, but maybe i hold on till the 7600x3d comes out and sell my PC as a whole and built something new, fingers crossed that ram&motherboard prices have gone down by then

@Scavenger_0

Жыл бұрын

Yep depending on where you are value changes, looking at delivery in my area 13600k 466,98€ and 7600x 359,90€. The 5800x3d would be 465,41€ but at no additional cost of Motherboard and Ram since i'm already on B550. It's a no brainer .

What is the rationale behind calculating cost per frame with the 1% low framerate instead of the average?

Great work. Competition is great! $/frame gap doesn't look too big between the two.