Well, you had me until mentioning it is subscription based. This new trend needs to die.

@monkatron

6 ай бұрын

Yeah I actually switched from whoop after 2 years to a polar h10 because I want to pay for something and use it when I want to not feel like I have to use it because I am paying for it. Now I put the h10 on when I work out and if I don’t I’m not losing money every day.

@jesuslcampillo1989

6 ай бұрын

Completely agree

@dandelion9867

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely, at the beginning I didn't see subscription as problem but as things starts to get added up it becomes significant and on top of that subscription amount goes up all the time.

@TheMarbo74

6 ай бұрын

I agree. They would probably make more if they had a one time 100$ price At that price, I'm not even close to considering their product. If they really insist on subscription model, 1.99$/month would make sense to me.

@monkatron

6 ай бұрын

@@TheMarbo74 I watched a video recently of their amazing penthouse office with treadmills and safe spaces and it looked so fucking lush and I thought ah on so that’s where subscriptions go 😂 now granted they have clothing and other things now but yeah it was a real fad to begin with but anything long term subscription is going to come to an end as people realise I’m paying almost 1000 for something over the course of 3 years.

This is where software as a service ends up - trying to lease out an algorithm for $150 a year. Just insane. I'd really like to start owning stuff I can buy again.

@trym2121

6 ай бұрын

Just tell polar to acquire the software algorithm

@bbilabass

4 ай бұрын

Software as a service is the scam of the 21st century

@racvv

3 ай бұрын

I know, at that price I'd rather buy an apple watch

@livewallberg

Ай бұрын

Its 200€ now lol

@ledues3336

3 күн бұрын

@@livewallberg300€…

Stopped watching when he mentioned subscription...

I'm totally against most subscriptions...another great production. Greetings from Ireland...

@TheMaximer16

6 ай бұрын

I believe that they would sell more if there wasn't any subscription...

@rainbowevil

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, that subscription is bonkers, how can they justify that for a physical product plus an app that it cannot function without and presumably doesn't need much in the way of changes from year to year for this specific product? Madness. Edit: my bad, I was commenting before watching anything past that initial mention of the subscription price, didn't realise it was a third party app. Still, much rather buy the Apple Watch outright with almost the same quality of sleep tracking plus all the other features than buy this and also have to subscribe to an app just to make its sleep tracking marginally better than the Apple Watch.

Alright Rob time to get the community together and develop open source sleep algorithms for polar devices. Do you have data sets that could help with this effort? I'm interested to contribute!

@mello1016

6 ай бұрын

I would contribute aswell. They don't seem to require subscription to access data via API. The biggest challenge i guess is data crowdsourcing

@quentinaoustin7543

6 ай бұрын

I would contribue too !

@Pragmatist101

6 ай бұрын

@mello1016 for a one off purchase I'd join a CrowdFunding drive!

@quentinaoustin7543

6 ай бұрын

I can't share a link to anything here but if anyone can create a git or discord I'd be glad to help then

@pramodnagaraj9309

6 ай бұрын

I'd also contribute

Would have loved to pay 200-300€ instead of a subscription:/

@geezer5357

6 ай бұрын

For an app?

@AATproducer

6 ай бұрын

@@geezer5357 for a device where the app is included. A sleep analysis device which is nearly as good as the golden standart, small and easy to wear and everytime ready at home... sounds like a good price.

The subscription plague. If I buy a product it means it should do things it is claimed to. If a company wants a subscription for a gadget it should be free or on a loan.

€15 a month is insane.

@livewallberg

Ай бұрын

Its 25 now

Love this video. Can you make a video about the best wearables that DON’T require a subscription and have all settings completely free rather than a free and premium platform?

@hollywoodactress

Ай бұрын

If you watch his latest video on the Fit Bit Charge 6, he shows a graph of all the watches he has reviewed. My interpretation is the Fit Bit range watches and the latest Apply watches are the best sleep trackers and they don't require a subscription.

Hands down the best research a consumer can get. He should be getting all the devices from the companies for free

I'm not a fan of subscription, but of course it also depends on the price. I wouldn't spend more than €3/month on it.

@lolerie

6 ай бұрын

Show me where Twitter blue touched you

Subscriptions are a con. The product either works or it doesn't. Why pay for a monthly subscription? How does it add value to a physical product that you've already brought?

That's very impressive they can produce such accurate results using only HRM. I guess just goes to show how much room for improvement smart and fitness watches still have. Considering these watches have access to accelometer as well.

@gianlucas

4 ай бұрын

Polar devices also have motion detection.

Thank you so much for this excellent review and introduction to this amazing product. Great to have 'at home' monitoring system with a good amount of agreement to a scientific sleep lab.

Thank you very much for your efforts, I think it's great how thoroughly you research the topic

@lolerie

6 ай бұрын

He really doesn't mention the fact that you need to have 3 hours of deep sleep

appreciate what you do!

Thank you for this review, Rob! Let's hope your channel continues to grow, so companies send you their devices! As many others, I don't like the subscription. But I find this is good news. It means it's doable with few informations (just HR). In the future we'll have very good health trackers, and I hope it's gonna be near future (and they're gonna be affordable for everyone)

Thank you, Rob! Love your analysis!

Im gonna download the app and try it out for a month. Thanks for this review Rob!

too good to be true, I mean too expensive (subscription) to be purchased.

Lost me at "subscription"

wonderful news and great video! Love your unbiased and well-rounded approach. I am really torn whether I should buy it because of the subscription model. I agree with another earlier commentator: If the app was 200€ one-time fee, I would have bought it today! Together with the tracking device. But now I am not sure.

this stuff is fantastic, backed by scientific testing and analyzed by someone who can explain the numbers in laymens terms :) keep it up! I'm looking for a good tracker and stumbled on your channel. the apple watch seems to be pretty good but its so big I don't know if I can sleep with something that big on my wrist

0:38 _"you do need a subscription"_ POV: *simpsons_grandpa_hat.gif*

@UghIHateTheseThings

6 ай бұрын

Same lol

@danimal52816

2 ай бұрын

funny! but I doubt you know what POV means..

@Treppiede

2 ай бұрын

... perhaps you're right, my friend. But at least a handful of people understood what I meant.

I have an H10 coming in the post this week so this is great news. Thanks for the info, analysis, and speculation. Cheers! 🍻👍🏾🖖🏾

I think what this shows is that while impressive, the algorithm used is highly dependent on the person which the algorithm is applied on when it comes to interpreting sleep stage detection / classification. For instance, Rob, you have close to 90% agreement between Apple and Garmin with Reference Device when it comes to Deep Sleep. I also happen to have the Garmin and Apple devices latest models... except I don't have a Reference Device. So if you got 90% agreement with reference when it comes to Deep Sleep with Garmin and Apple we should be able to say that when it comes to Deep Sleep the Garmin and Apple is pretty good since the only difference will just be Me and You. But for me, Garmin vs Apple is highly different when it comes to Deep Sleep detection. So this means that the algorithm used is affecting what should be both 90% agreement with "True Deep Sleep". Overall very very interesting study. Thanks Rob.

@IThinkICare

6 ай бұрын

I agree it's all seems to be about the algorithm and not better detection.

Great, great test, thanks you 👍👍

It's getting better and better. Will try it with my H10. Had the Dreem2 but bthe build quality was so bad that I ren through 3 devices in the Wranty time. Wasn't build for daily usage.....

Please do more of these app algorithm reviews! I have the polar h10 and would love to know it's accuracy in combination

With the Nukkuaaa app not available in my area, which app would you recommend as the next best with the Polar device?

@halilsmith8162

5 ай бұрын

You can try Sleep as Android. I used it this night and it seems pretty good

I am really looking forward to your review on the Withings Scanwatch 2! When will you upload it?

I loved that you compared several people in this test because it shows that the sensor parts probably doing the same thing, the algorithm fails some people thus makes these devices completely unreliable like an uncalibrated scale as the person who tries to get some data about the sleep, doesn't know what category he/she fits in, only know about not having enough or good sleep. Also, your link to Amazon Polar H10 doesn't seem to work. thanks

I watch all your videos and i now want the new xiaomi watch 2 pro. If you could make a review of this watch i would be so happy. Love your channel keep the good work ❤❤❤

Excelent review! Could you please do a review for cmf watch by nothing?

It would be interesting to see how Sleep as Android is doing as it is a free app and has full integration of Polar API

@steviebboy69

6 ай бұрын

I use Sleep As Android and find it quite good, although I have the paid version, well it was around only $5 as an in app discount a few years ago but at least it is not a month to month sub.

@halilsmith8162

5 ай бұрын

yeah that would be very interesting. If it actually performs somehow good, this would be the best combo ever because there is no subscriptiom if you buy the lifetime

@Schoda

5 ай бұрын

A review of the sleep as Android + polar Combo would be great

@hfjchan

5 ай бұрын

@@steviebboy69 Sleep as Android was very accurate for me when it first came out, not so much for me anymore:( I paid for it btw.

1:20 I cannot sleep with my AppleWatch ultra. You really have a gift 😂 I wish it could also be secured in my ankle

Very expensive. It's easier to buy an Apple Watch.

@furiousdoe7779

6 ай бұрын

And Apple will use your sleepdata ...

@lolerie

6 ай бұрын

​@@furiousdoe7779for what

You mentioned getting manufacturers to send you products to review. I don't think Garmin would do that. Their watches are not that accurate @ heart rate or sleep tracking. As I've mentioned before, I wear both Garmin & Apple watches on opposite wrists. As an example, this mornings walk, the Apple watch SE recorded an average HR of 99 bpm. The Garmin Venu 2 recorded 83. Having tested these 2 watches (& many more) with both Garmin & Polar chest straps, the Apple SE is quite accurate. The Garmin's never reach that level. I can always pair the Garmin with a chest strap so that can bring the Venu up to the Apple in terms of accuracy. Sleep tracking has never been a Garmin strong suit but it has improved over the years. It's still not on a level with Apple but few are. Manufacturers can be just a bit touchy about reviews that are a bit less than glowing. There are a few reviewers that they can't ignore and hopefully someday that includes you. Until then, just keep on doing what you're doing. Thanks.

I love your stuff 🤓

Great video👍 I love your scientific reviews :-) Actually, I have a question; since the accuracy of monitoring is by via the 3rd party application. Does this really mean, Polar VeritySense than other wearable devices? Have not checkout thst 3rd party app yet, wandering what other devices are compatible with? And amount all those devices, truly Polar VeritySense is the best amount? Just wandering... By all mean, this review is very helpful😊

Very cool video, I've had the Verity Sense for 2 years but didn't think indepe app developers could access the data... The subscription price way too high (and Nukkua is not available in my country) since Sleep As works with my Polar Verity. Will see how it compares to my Garmin Fenix 6x

In what universe is this worth any monthly fee. Exactly where is the value?

Nukka is not available in Australia. Does the Nukka app work with other chest straps? Like the Wahoo chest strap

Great video. Seems to have changed the name to Sleep2 and it also support the polar h10 chest strap. Could you do a test with h10? Any alarm apps that can wake you in light sleep?

Hi! Will you be measuring Xiaomi Band 8 Pro? Does it give more reliable data than the regular Band 8?

Rob, I value your contributions enormously, but I have two questions. 1) Is the arbitrariness between your, Theresa's, Chris's and @wayne1516's results not caused by the arbitrariness inherent in definitions of what constitutes light sleep versus REM sleep, etc.? If you draw the boundaries sightly different, you could come up with very different sleep percentages, and you could legitimately defend each of these equally. 2) When I first used my Polar Ignite 2 for sleep monitoring, my watch mentioned that it had first to calibrate my sleeping patterns for four nights before it was actually able to accurately describe my sleep of the last night. How is this handled in these watches and PSG? Such calibration can make a tremendous difference. (For instance, as an older guy, my sleep will probably be more like that of Theresa, i.e. lighter.)

For the two people interested, nukkuaa (with two a's) isn't really Finnish: Are you going to sleep outside? --> Aiotko *nukkua* ulkona? Did you fall asleep? --> *Nukahditko?* I slept only four hours. --> *Nukuin* vain neljä tuntia. We slept only four hours. --> *Nukuimme* vain neljä tuntia. Usually Finns sleep on the roof. --> Yleensä suomalaiset *nukkuvat* katolla. Did you sleep well? --> *Nukuitko* hyvin? (one person) Did you sleep well? --> *Nukuitteko* hyvin? (several persons) Did she sleep at all? --> *Nukkuiko* hän ollenkaan? Did he sleep at all? --> *Nukkuiko* hän ollenkaan? ...

Is apple watch se the best overall option? Would be sensible buying an used iPhone just to be able to use the watch? What do you guys think?

Thank you! When you get to such high rates, you need to start taking into account error rates for PSG

I would love to see a test of the sleep as android app. Some years ago I used a mi band 2 which had a useless sleep tracker but when I started to use it with the sleep as android app it worked really well, especially the smart alarm feature. Nowadays I have a galaxy watch 5 and I started again to use the app. The results are different than the Samsung health sleep tracking and again, the smart alarm works really well. It seems that no matter the device, the app just uses the sensors input to analyse your sleep with its algorithms.

Could you please review the new amazfit balance?

Loved the comprehensive review and always interested in more sleep tracking!

@nusu5331

6 ай бұрын

same, sleep tracking is the most important trackable parameter to me. would be great tho, if they would implement 24hrs ecg as well

The polar chest strip changed the optional personalized tracking and usage of your data to mandatory. Is it the same with the watch? If yes this would be a big minues for me as well

@ha231

6 ай бұрын

Oh dear. Another Finnish company gone to the dogs due to greed and lack of care for customers. What a shame.

@user-zf2bv9pg8j

6 ай бұрын

No Nukkuaa is using the raw data with out polar servers !

Maybe it’s the verity sense from polar that is doing the bulk of the work. Have you tested that?

I watch all your videos, why when you tested the Huawei Band 8_1 it was better and in the next videos on the table the Huawei Band 8_2 is better. Is the Huawei 8_2 a black band? Thank you for what you do and please reply. Greetings from Poland

Any plans to review new Amazfit Balance ?? Seems like they finally improved HR tracking

@mrz4297

6 ай бұрын

Waiting for this one too

FYI, the nukkuaa app is not available today in my Play Store (Galaxy S23) for my region (SE USA).... BTW, i do not see a video on the Resmed Sleep Score max device ... is that because it is not wearable? - or because they do not allow you to download your data? Also, are you not able to get a Dreem 3 to test?

Nukkuaa... geez! Yep that takes the cake for bad productification

Hope, the app will be available in other countries soon.

I own a Polar Verity and it's interesting what they can achieve with a relatively cheap device, but the pricing is not as "consumer" grade as the device is. Seems like a startup with interesting technology that will eventually end up acquired or licensing their ip.

Do you plan on testing the Xiaomi Watch 2 Pro?

I support YOU to get watches first to review them! :)

Is there a feature in this app that allows me to be woken up during light sleep? For example, could I set a 30-40 minute window for waking up between 05:00 and 05:40? Currently, I have an Apple Ultra Watch, but I haven't been able to find an app in the App Store that supports this feature

@Rob: I see in the videos that you’ve tested the Muse S gen 2 against PSG, but I cannot find a dedicated video on it. Is one coming soon? I really hope so!

For some germans the app is free for 12 months. You need to be insured by TK health insurance.

Good video

I am afraid Polar verity sense that is put around the arm will be noticeable for side sleepers?

Can you test it with sleep as android! Sleep as android should have a solid algorithm and work with this device.

Not only is it a subscription, the price is absolutely insane!

Please waiting for your review over the sleep recommendation in the app..

can you also use a different (free) app for sleep tracking?

@Bruno-ir2zs

6 ай бұрын

Watting the answer... Or something cheaper.

Thanks for mentioning the subscription early on the video.

I got a polar variety sense based largely on your reviews. It seems to work very well, but I wish I didn't need to pull out my phone to see the readings. Do you have any recommendations for smartwatches that can display the HR data from polar straps / chest straps? I would love something small (~40mm or less), inexpensive, easy to read outside, with a long battery life.

@dorsiasclient7990

4 ай бұрын

Im looking for this aswell

Does it show HRV? Thank you

Since light sleep is closest to awake wouldn't it make more sense to sort it in tables like: deep, rem, light and wake?

Can you track sleep with the polar T31? Or ECG straps in general?

Hello everyone! Does it has smart alarm for better wake up? Or can it synchronized with any app?

Would be cool seeing alternative apps for the polar and seeing how they compare. Defo a cheap option untill you pay 25/month starting 2024 for nukkuaa. Also I can't read german so the app is really annoying to use for me.

Still not available in the U.S. Unfortunate, I was interested in the personal sleep training, I don't have a problem with paying for a subscription service, the basic app is free.

0:41 €/month 0:50 ASCII art 1:26 paper 7:30 zoom 9:00 sleep heart rate 11:56 paper 14:10 cross validation 15:05 conflicts 16:29 €

when you will do CMF (nothing watch ) accuracy test ?

Wasn't Hamilton overtaking off the track in Abu Dhabi?

I was really excited about this in the intro, but I just turned off the video the moment a subscription gets mentioned. Great content, but there's zero chance I'll buy it.

Can you try sleep as android with the polar?

just checked it on google playstore....nearly one star reviews only!!!! So, can you please explain?

Great review and up-front disclosure of the subscription cost - that’s where I lost interest in the product (even though I kept watching).

when modded version of the app? a friend asked..

Why did pixel watch moved from previous position on the chart regarding the sleep tracking? I didnt see it was mentioned in any video

Can the device be used with the third party app without the subscription m

i'm sure i read somewhere that polysonsomethingorother itself isn't particularly accurate, (i.e. not the gold standard of gold standard's), that it relies on expert interpretation of the multiple sensor results, and that the experts only achieve 85% agreement amongst themselves i doubt i'd even pay a subscription model for that level of accuracy

@mortenvinther8940

6 ай бұрын

yep its true... And if the Dreem 2 device he is using is 80% accurate compared to polysonsomethingorothe, well how accurate are the results on the other devices really.

Man could do a video about Ring tracker like ultrahuman,circular ring and aurora

Can you change the language to english on the app?

@plammenn888

Ай бұрын

no, I just downloaded it and there is no such option

@twiddless

Ай бұрын

@@plammenn888thank you, thats annoying

@plammenn888

Ай бұрын

@@twiddless do u have any smart watch to monitor your sleep right now? I went through all the videos of this channel and brainstorming what might be the best one 😀

@twiddless

Ай бұрын

@@plammenn888 i use the galaxy watch 4, its pretty good and does what i need it to but he says in his videos that the apple watch are the best one smart watches for tracking im pretty sure, the apple watch SE is pretty affordable i think, i use a samsung so i went for the galaxy watch though.

I would have snapped this right up if it weren't for the subscription. Damn.

Great, so slightly less expensive than the whoop, but really only tracking sleep and nothing else, and You have to still buy your own device as well. Crazy

Is it possible to record e.g. 3-4 nights with Polar Verity Sense, and then afterwards upload to the nukkuaa app?

not available in australia

Why doesn't it work with the Polar H9? I'd probably subscribe for a few months if it did.

Why is Polar Verity Sense accuracy when using any another sleep tracking app?

What does Vs stand for?

Should look into sleep as android using the H10 polar heart rate monitor or the sense and see the results. Anyone use have any experience doing this what wad your results?