Laurie Metcalf is a terrific actress. She was perfect for the role of the realistic and skeptical professional not putting up with Holmes' b.s.

@pandapower5902

2 жыл бұрын

she really is! she played the character just like the real person

@WillNelson73

2 жыл бұрын

My goodness. I was going to say the exact same thing. Laurie Metcalf captures Phylis Gardner’s skepticism perfectly

@Joe_Parmesan

2 жыл бұрын

I love the next part of this interaction

@crazikat_1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joe_Parmesan ME too! I've been trying to find the clip everywhere on KZread.

@marias8007

2 жыл бұрын

Shes great in everything she does

The professor was right in this and wasn't that brutal, she explained and justified her reasons for rejecting it

@sarcasticusername

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking this; if she were unkind she'd have told holmes she was an idiot for ever thinking this could work lol

@spastic3564

2 жыл бұрын

@Hwa Huang Jesus, what school do you attend?

@theultimatereductionist7592

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY, Private Person!

@govinpillai3475

Жыл бұрын

Lol the fact that Holmes viewed Dr Gardner as a villain is a testament to her delusions of grandeur

@SanjaySingh-oh7hv

Жыл бұрын

This is true, but when you're in academia for long enough, creativity and daring to break the rules gradually fades away and they submit to the orthodoxies of their profession and their place in the pecking order, and become entitled in the sense that any new advancements have to make it past the gatekeepers that exist in every academic field, and that's more political than intellectual.

It’s amazing how Laurie Metcalf can show up for like ten minutes in anything and completely steal the show.

@asecretone

2 жыл бұрын

Female Alec Baldwin

@eden20111

2 жыл бұрын

*Scream 2 enters the chat*

@GeneThundersnow

2 жыл бұрын

@@eden20111 omfg yes 😂

@KanadeLapis

2 жыл бұрын

She's amazing and funny in this role but sorry no one is stealing the show from Amanda! She's serving and eating!!

@GeneThundersnow

2 жыл бұрын

@@KanadeLapis no I 100% agree with you Amanda is FABULOUS in this. I hope to god she gets the Emmy

I like the fact that the skeptical professor was actually nuanced. Not just the typical dismissive authority figure. I once worked at a quantitative investment firm where we had a saying: "to err is human, but to really mess up you need a computer." Young people rarely understand this, glad to see at least a few old people do.

@francookie9353

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, why though? Because a computer enlarges the gravity of a mistake?

@Bloooo95

2 жыл бұрын

@@francookie9353 Computers aren’t smart. They just make math calculations much quicker than a human. That’s about it. They are fancy, digital abacuses.

@PissedOffBanker

2 жыл бұрын

Were you able to generate alpha?

@lenawagenfuehr53

2 жыл бұрын

@@CedarMountainsnow THIS! If I get patronizingly told about "the algorithm" one more time...these algorithms never ever accommodate exceptions. It's not a binary, cookie cutter world...

@raphaelledesma9393

2 жыл бұрын

@@CedarMountainsnow In the medical field, computers are increasingly being used for simpler tasks such as pattern recognition and other stuff which aid diagnosis. For example, feed a pattern recognition software images of different Xrays of different diseases and it can flag an abnormal Xray and suggest to a doctor which diseases the Xray resembles maybe with a percentage of the similarity. No good doctor would take it at face value of course but it’s a valuable aid. As of now, no AI exists which means no computer can make judgments that a human doctor can. A human doctor ideally knows not only various suggested algorithms of diagnosis and treatment but can tailor this to a patient’s unique circumstances. The situations requiring these “exceptions” to an algorithm are practically too numerous to properly code.

Amanda is amazing. Laurie is amazing. Please don't turn Elizabeth Holmes into a hero. She was (and is) a con artist and if she isn't currently in prison, she should be.

@kenlandon6130

2 жыл бұрын

She is going there pretty soon. Was convicted on 6 charges in a federal wire fraud trial and is awaiting sentencing.

@kenlandon6130

2 жыл бұрын

@NobodiesAltButMine yeah she's awaiting sentencing

@Themandalorian935

2 жыл бұрын

This series has done a great job with portraying Elizabeth Holmes and why she is a con artist and down right horrible. They aren't making her a hero.

@wiseauserious8750

2 жыл бұрын

The only reason some people are lauding her as a hero is the same reason people gave her hundreds of millions of dollars with absolutely no due diligence. She's a woman, and women don't lie

@mlbp2567

2 жыл бұрын

The series treats her like the cringey dork she is, not like a hero

And that's where Holmes was wrong from the very beginning. She chose and followed an absolutely wrong motto for a biotech company, because in science trying is everything. In fact science is all about trying. You keep on trying until you succeed. Failure is the most critical part in science as it teaches you dos and don'ts for the next try/experiment (Ask Einstein for that matter :)). And professor was right when she said education is of utmost importance in science. I mean inventing a social media platform or a taxi app is one thing but when it comes to inventing a device which is directly going to impact people's lives by diagnosing them, its a different ballgame altogether, a game that requires highest level of education with crystal clear understanding of complex concepts, which Holmes didn't have whatsoever.

@lenawagenfuehr53

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, a social media platform and a taxi app should also have to be rigorously tested and vetted. Look what crap they got us into, because drop-outs sold our information to the lowest bidders. Plus they basucally sold airspace to false information. If they could have monetized Coronavirus infections, they would have. You don't give crazy people or kids weapons...

@theSupercasa

2 жыл бұрын

I would argue that even for inventing a social media platform, you need to have at least a basic grasp on how humans work on a psychological level and need to be educated on that, if not in college, then at least from experience. Holmes, being a sociopath, had none of that.

@bztube888

2 жыл бұрын

The idea "do or don't do but no try" is not from Yoda, it's older. But it's about the effort, not the result. Do you really trying to achieve something like your life depending on it, or just do something so the end you can say "I'm tried". Many times it's hard to say the difference. But even genuine effort can't guarantee success as it's up to the rest of the universe too.

@theultimatereductionist7592

2 жыл бұрын

YES, TheLiberalHindu!

@sowhat1431

7 ай бұрын

She was completely delusional.

Fantastic acting on both sides of the table. What Laurie's character is trying to get across to Elizabeth is that every human body is a unique, highly complex system that's constantly strongly interacting with an uncontrolled environment with thousands of unknown variables. Even if you had a car sized machine following you around to monitor for infection and inject you with antibiotics, the chances of a false positive are so good that it would constantly be pumping antibiotics into your body every day when you don't need them.

@tao3878

2 жыл бұрын

This is simply not true. The issue was not it is impossible to test and administer drugs with machines it was the scalability ie a drop of blood could do as such. Sugar glucose levels can be monitored and treated with a microchip however this requires intravenous access which is not close to a drop of blood. There are also many cases in biomedicine where computers outperform doctors expertise.

@phantom21ize

2 жыл бұрын

@@tao3878 That's true, the issue was scalability (obviously it's possible to test for infections with sufficient blood volume) but what I meant was that testing for infection is far more complex than testing for glucose or iron levels, which can be done in the field.

@MsJubjubbird

2 жыл бұрын

That and many diagnoses are based on probabilities. If the most likely cause doesn't respond to treatment then we go investigate further

@AG-ig8uf

Жыл бұрын

@@tao3878 You confusing her later "inventions" with the one she proposed here. Her idea was to design a patch which would diagnose and then inject medicine. Which of course is a great idea lol, I came up with the same idea as a kid.

@ryioelaine

Жыл бұрын

@@tao3878 when you said there are many cases where computers outpeform doctors, can you share your sources on this? I’m curious and I’d like to look it up.

that "oh" at the end is so brutal lolol

@jasonleetaiwan

2 жыл бұрын

More like "Whatever, you crazy wannabe chick.".

@mworkmantube

2 жыл бұрын

right?!? she was like "ok, and?"

It's ironic that she quotes Yoda by refusing the "trying"... when TRUE science is actually about trying itself multiple times. It's the perfect quote to describe Elizabeth Holmes.

@MrFuggleGuggle

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't really explain why we tried to force a vaccine on people with less than a year of trials and limited subjects with COVID, when most vaccines have at least 5 years of research and many multiple testing groups before they go public - though. And even then it's risky. Look up the risk of permanent brain damage from 'whooping cough' (pertussis) vaccine that was a problem for awhile.

@Lomaro-Targimho-Galga

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. When a student quotes something like this to professor, it clearly means that such a student has nothing with science at all.

@unknownname8591

Жыл бұрын

Why trying when it's never going to work tho? As Phyllis would say.

@Digidragon55

7 ай бұрын

I heard that Yoda’s quote meant having a matter of faith.

Love how Laurie Metcalf just walks out of the room, as if quoting Yoda was crazy or something.

@hanniballanda794

2 жыл бұрын

In this case it is.

@roguesheep3083

2 жыл бұрын

Throws things off in bed, too. With the wrong girl, of course.

@wasserperson

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's "wow that was crazy," It's, "You brought me a few pages of wishful thinking based on no grounding in tech science or clinical practice; but you're a sophomore at a school full of smart kids who don't know what they don't know so I gave you pointed but pretty powerful feedback; you replied with your best impression of Andy Dufresne in the Shawshank Redemption calling the warden 'obtuse' ; I gave you a second chance with a blunt sincere 'keep thinking big you've got lots to learn,' and you watched that ball sail by; Now you're doing motivational quotes from a Hollywood movie alien? I'm morbidly curious how you got this all so wrong but I don't have time to really dig into that puzzle so I'm going to snap the lid shut on you before I say something really blunt like 'did you show Channing something you're not showing me, or is he less smart than I thought or does he think I'm dumb?' "

@MrSilnev

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently in real life when Elizabeth quoted Yoda, Dr. Gardner told her to "don't quote yoda at me".

@raecb8

Жыл бұрын

Oh 😮

I actually think Amanda Seyfried is going to land a golden globe for this.

@cuppiecupsters

2 жыл бұрын

She totally deserves one!

@demon515

2 ай бұрын

She did!

Her father was VP at Enron. She grew up rich, and rich people who work hard often are successful. The rich part of the equation solves most of the problems that hard work cannot.

@ankur1800s

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much. Not having to do chores or worrying about fees for universities and private tutoring (prior to university) certainly help.

@Aristotle2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@ankur1800s One study found that the super rich in the US spend about $100,000/year per child on education BEFORE they even go to college.

@jopabr24

2 жыл бұрын

I mean...rich people who *don't* work hard are also often successful. In pretty much every case, being rich certainly gives you an enormous advantage over other people.

@roems6396

2 жыл бұрын

And Enron was also committing fraud on a huge scale, so she learned that too.

@distantraveller9876

Жыл бұрын

Enron went bankrupt

Phyllis Gardner is such a boss. 60 Minutes Australia asked her what she thought of the men who invested in Theranos, and she pointed down and said "I'm telling you. Brain goes South". 😂

@AzrielGrace

2 жыл бұрын

She's implying that Elizabeth was pretty enough to warrant that judgment call? lol. Different polks for different folks i guess

@MsJubjubbird

2 жыл бұрын

@@AzrielGrace She was young, blonde, had a reasonable figure and supposedly smart. These are dirty old men that have probably paid for sex before and find it an ego boost to be seen with a young woman as long as she doesn't look like a 'before' Jenny Craig poster girl

@MsClaudiaDuran

2 жыл бұрын

@@AzrielGrace They were old men, so maybe they had vision problems lol

@pandorabox5532

2 жыл бұрын

@@AzrielGrace many old pervert men don't really have high standards, I wouldn't be surprised

@atty.fernandog.madarcos8724

Жыл бұрын

Nooo, lizzy the seductress?? Yeah different tastes for sure..😆

What confuses me - as a young scientist myself - is the way she deals this throwback. I would have been like "Oh, I am very disappointed that my idea did not work out on so many levels but thanks for the professional opinion" and even would take some notes. I actually automatically started to try to remember a lot of what Doctor Gardner says. But what is she doing? Speechless because a way to become rich just disappeared.

@jimj1525

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. She didn’t hear anything. All she heard was an impediment to her quest for grandeur. Her character exemplifies the absolute worst traits in any ruthless narcissist. I would have listened intently, too, like you would’ve; it’s the only way to improve.

@juanchoresultay2704

Жыл бұрын

She can’t accept criticism or show objectiveness thats why she failed.

Phyllis: keep trying. Elizabeth: ok. *roll credits*

The irony about the Yoda quote is that Holmes defensively says “I tried” near the end of the show

@PungiFungi

Жыл бұрын

Apparently students supposedly called Channing Robertson "Yoda". I wonder if there isn't a connection there.

I had a creative partner who used to quote me that damn Yoda dialogue every time I said I'd try something. I wanted to hit him at some point. There is "try. " It means you gave something a shot. The danger is in believing that Yoda is actually an all-knowing guru in real life instead of a cool puppet in the movies. Like Holmes did here.

@JA-ru3il

2 жыл бұрын

She missed the philosophy behind the statement. Yoda was referring to Lukes destiny as the greatest jedi who ever lived. He was implying that whatever he needed to lift the x wing was already within him, and Luke didn't believe in himself which caused him to "try" with defeated effort, and not "do" as a jedi. He needed to believe he already had the power to lift the x wing. Ironically, Elizabeth is the anti jedi, who not only already "believes" she is a jedi, but also that she is destined to be the greatest jedi that ever lived. Unfortunately, she doesn't have any actual powers though and there is no conclusive evidence to believe she is even capable of using the force.

@lenawagenfuehr53

2 жыл бұрын

@@JA-ru3il I trust a scientist more than a Tiny Robbins motivational speaker any day. You know you're quoting a little kid's story there...The little Engine that could 🙄

Data is indeed important. But also equally important is interpretation of the data. Unless you can interpret the data, then the data doesn't mean very much.

A wearable patch that can diagnose, treat and cure every disease and ailment. It’s basically a full hospital in 1 small patch. That’s brilliant!

@brians9508

Жыл бұрын

lol

You’re a dreamer, you dream a lot in your sleep - Tiffany Pollard

@wintergoat6612

2 жыл бұрын

LMAOOOOOO I read this in her voice 😂😂😂😂😂

I was watching Elizabeth Holmes documentary however this is the only scene or video that made me understand what she really wanted to do with her "medical patch". The Idea is ambitious, too ambitious that it's not possible as of the moment. Holmes wanted an automatic diagnostic patch that once disease gets detected the medicine inside the patch will then be administered to the human body. Just like what the professor said, humans aren't predictable that's why we opt to do 2nd opinion even during consultation with our medical doctors. Even the best doctors with the best experience may have an error with the diagnosis of a disease what more to a technology coded by non-medical professionals. I think the medical patch is a good idea, if she will just narrow it down to ONE disease instead of all diseases. Like for an example, a medical patch that detects low sugar levels that also acts as glucagon injection. Studying on a single disease may take years and some even opt to go to graduate school to devote for that specific disease.

@PungiFungi

2 жыл бұрын

That was the problem with her vision. She was designing medical devices that have universal uses which is impossible.

@violetgreer2443

Жыл бұрын

There actually is a system that does what you described for people with diabetes, but it's not foolproof and people who use it still need to manually check their blood sugar (just not as often as they would without the device)

_“Never quote Yoda again”_

Profs can’t leave before students… their offices can’t have strangers hanging out in there.

@juanchoresultay2704

Жыл бұрын

I mean she said she is heading home so the meeting is done

The photos at 0:03, 0:08 and 0:09 (photos with her husband/sister/son/father?/grandfather, and of her dog), and the pink elephant by the window give an insight into Phyllis' personality- a warm, family-oriented person behind the gruff exterior. Also, the imposing study table, the E = mc squared pen tray and collection of books that she is rock-solid and unflinching in terms of her academic pursuits.

I think she admired this professor at a time, she has a naturally deep voice then all of sudden she has one too?? Hmmm?

I wanted to cheer every time Laurie Metcalf was on screen. Also, I thought she was Patti Lupone at first; they look and sound vaguely similar. Love them both.

"Do or do not" is a very good motto, but if the precise idea behind is a bad one, better do not. That's the difference between courage and ambition.

It is very apt that she uses a quote from a fictional character and used it as her guiding philosophy. She is would have been a very successful fiction writer specialising in sci fi

Laurie Metcalf should of had her own spin-off series about crushing hopes, and dreams.

@mattbernabe

2 жыл бұрын

I'd watch that. Haha!

@juanchoresultay2704

Жыл бұрын

Nah its not crushing hopes but being factual and the reality of these things

This is the version of his mom that Sheldon wished he could have had.

@michaeltalley51

2 жыл бұрын

That's why he and Leonard liked each other's moms better.

@JamesJoyce12

2 жыл бұрын

you don't get the irony of referencing BBT when this piece is mocking SW's?

She’s right about the logistics about the patch. She’s wrong about how patients would react to them. If there’s one thing that patients hate, it’s getting poked over and over and over again. A lot of them hate pills and injections. Some flat out put their own lives in jeopardy because they hate blood draws so much

@jennifermoriarty2188

2 жыл бұрын

Stupid people... I avoid because of the money

@averagestudent1158

2 жыл бұрын

You mean the people who won't take a lifesaving vaccine. Technology like this, if even possible, would take a lot of time to win the trust of even say 50% of humans on earth. She is right about how people would react. People hate doctors but also trust an old established systems relatively more than new stuff.

@catherinethorstenberg8957

2 жыл бұрын

@@averagestudent1158 it’s not impossible to win over trust, especially when you show people how it removes all the inconveniences of the old ones I’ve had a lot of patients tell me they were scared of getting daily blood draws in the hospital because they thought too much blood was being removed. It’s not true, it’s overall a small amount, but just imagine how they would feel if I told them “actually we’re able to take just a pin drop of blood”

@politereminder6284

2 жыл бұрын

@@catherinethorstenberg8957 A body gets tired of it. Not physically, but psychologically. Back , before my diagnosis, I had several years of frequent blood draws for tests. . One day I freaked out at the lab Tech's place and started crying. It wasn't the pain, . I'm not afraid of needles, I didn't think they were draining away my liquids or anything like that. My body just kept the score and screamed "no more!" I had a breakdown. The lab tech was very kind about it. He decided that day to use those quick and easy kits they use to draw blood from children. This was in Uganda in an African lab. They're not supposed to waste kits like that on adults like me. So glad I got my diagnosis eventually (clinically and by elimination) .

@nicanornunez9787

2 жыл бұрын

She talks about the human factor needed in medical patient relationship. Not about not patch.

The dropout should win numerous Emmys. It's that good.

1:47 That comeback was epic.

“Don’t ever let someone tell you that you can’t do something. You got a dream, you gotta protect it. When people can’t do something themselves, they are going to tell you that you can’t do it. You want something, go get it. Period.” - Will Smith(The Pursuit of Happyness).

@Bloooo95

Ай бұрын

Great movie. But, sometimes you just can’t do something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The professor is very police , professional and fair . She even encourages her , it does not work but keep trying !

She channels the loathing look very well. Ppl who can't take criticism

Love this series. I've watched more times than I care to admit.

Even thinking this idea was plausible was the biggest red flag about Holmes. It's like an engineering student deciding to make a family car that runs off 2 AA batteries. It shows a total lack of understanding of even the rudiments of technology.

Elizabeth is wrong I think the issues here are highlighted well by the later episode where Elizabeth's faulty machines wrongly diagnose a pregnant lady, recommending her medication be increased. Knowing the patient could loose her baby (and suspicious of Theranos ) the doctor got a second more expensive test and saved the patient. If Elizabeth could operate the patch or some sort of doctorless device how would she catch that? Her device would need to be sophisticated enough to consider interacting patient conditions, the risk of false positives and the medication risk. Then there is also the consideration of patient consent. what if it's a case where the medication was needed but there would be a risk to a pregnancy (or other). Surely patients should have a right to consider the health risks of medications that they take. Elizabeth is automating it to a point people would have to be unconcerned about their medication. Its also plainly obvious that achieving diagnosis and administration of medication within one patch is something out of Antman. Even if you were to be generous and have it be one medicine, like insulin for diabetes. The reality is that medicines often need temperature correct storage, how could you fit the correct dosage in the patch, repeat, long term storage and refill needs, along with diagnosing someone from just one little section from skin which may be in the elements and somehow not intrusive or uncomfortable on the skin, along with not falling off. The later ipod plan is just as strange. She considered what if medicine was like the i pod. diagnosing blood needs a certain amount of space, she had a poor understanding of why so much blood was needed and why this mattered for reliability.

One of my favorite scenes!!! ❤❤❤

John Carreyou's book turned into a masterpiece on screen. The way books ought to be put on screen.

@RepriseTheThemeSong

2 жыл бұрын

This show was based on a podcast. The Bad Blood book is set to be adapted into a movie with Jennifer Lawrence.

@dakotarae159

2 жыл бұрын

@@RepriseTheThemeSong i dont think Jennifer would be able to pull off elizabeth as good as amanda did

Amanda is amazing. Not many actresses could pass a young teenager at 36. Did they do any de-aging affect when she played the little girl? On one scene I think they put her face on a child to make her small.

@Josie-6

2 жыл бұрын

They only ever show her as a high school senior and forward.

@tomarnold7284

2 жыл бұрын

@@Josie-6 sorry my mistake, she was standing a stair lower than other actors.

@bluevelvet2

2 жыл бұрын

She's aging backwards!

@elizrebezilmadommdo1662

2 жыл бұрын

Holy crap time flies. I can't believe she's 36 right now. It feels like she was in her Mean Girls days just yesterday. Lol

@KaylaMarie_

2 жыл бұрын

36 isn't old enough to need deaging technology. It's probably just a combo of makeup, lighting, and good acting.

There’s always someone who will stand in the way of progress and tell another person with a revolutionary idea it can’t be done. That’s not what happened here. There was no way this patch or the blood analyzer was going to work in the timeframe Elizabeth had in mind.

The professor was right she even said it was nothing personal

@juanchoresultay2704

Жыл бұрын

She is just telling facts thats all, she is trying to help her realize through experties

That "Oh" at the end gets me every time...

She clearly didn’t understand what yoda was trying to say.

@crunchgirl6787

2 жыл бұрын

What was Yoda tryna say?

@elizabethfigueroa6159

2 жыл бұрын

One has to be realistic too you know. Within the context of the Star Wars, yoda knew Luke was capable but doubted himself. But practicing and doing it (essentially trying and practicing) yoda knew luke was capable he just didn’t believe in himself. There is another saying to if you are trying you are also failing. And that is true in essence, failing is part of succeeding. It’s not a bad thing. The professor wasn’t trying to discourage her rather to let Holmes know she needs to base it on more research, study and in realistic terms. At the current moment there is no technology that can do that and it can be fallible. Maybe in a distant future, who’s to say, but right now Holmes is trying to jump 100 steps, almost like a quick rich scheme which turned out to be that in the end. She wanted the notoriety but not really put the effort and time in actually understanding the concepts and material needed to understand what she was trying to do. So in essence she didn’t understand yoda at all. Although the films in Star Wars cut Luke’s training it’s implied he started with the foundations of the force and knew the concepts of it. Holmes legit was a college dropout trying to play with medicine which takes years and years to master if you can even call yourself one. Medicine is constantly changing and evolving and to have a few courses in science doesn’t make you an expert. Maybe for some classes but not medicine.

@PrestigeLearning

2 жыл бұрын

@@crunchgirl6787 Yoda was saying, “Stop making excuses.” Luke had just said, “I’ll try,” in a manner that suggested he expected to fail. Yoda was calling Luke on his BS, that’s all. Consider: unless you succeed by accident, you always have to “try” first. Holmes, like many others who misunderstand this quote, takes it to mean, “success is the only thing that matters.”

@lenawagenfuehr53

2 жыл бұрын

So, you use a fantasy movie to tell us to be realistic? 🤦🏻‍♀️

@elizabethfigueroa6159

2 жыл бұрын

Uhm no I am explaining the context of what the quote was trying to say, in which was used in this tv series…idk I guess if flew over your head like it did for Elizabeth Holmes 🤦‍♀️

Amanda Seyfried is doing an awesome job as Elizabeth Holmes. :-)

Best scene in the whole series.

Ironically in Ted 2, Seyfried’s character doesn’t get Star Wars.

@jasonleetaiwan

2 жыл бұрын

I prefer hee in that film. Much nicer person.

Reminds me of Bobby Baccala with his quotations book

"Oh..." 🤣

Wish she made the Yoda voice when she said that.

The Professor was feeding her reality and Holmes didn’t want to hear it.

Holmes have insufficient knowledge about medicine but she insisted she knows better than medical specialist , that's all it take to start her down fall

@lenawagenfuehr53

2 жыл бұрын

How much of our technology has been pushed by dropouts? How much of a mess are we all in because we trust asocial inexperienced fools with data?

Quoting Yoda was pretty appropriate since all her idea was literally sci-fi and not much else.

i mean the real issue is you cant get the necessary relevant data. data is great if you HAVE IT and it's the DATA YOU NEED but like, it's difficult to imagine getting the appropriate data to diagnose a wide array of medical conditions through any sort of unobtrusive machine, hell, any machine honestly lol

Watch a few episodes of house md that explains very well why a machine could never do true diagnostics

When books and ambitions never met.

You can do everything right. . .and still lose the war. . . . that is called trying. . . .if you are trying. . .then you are "doing something".

Dr. Gardner is of course, correct. I just wish she had spoken a little softer and emphasized to Holmes that it wasn't ego but facts and then go on to prove them to Elizabeth. She did not owe Elizabeth anything but I bet it would have showed her that it wasn't about just 'not believing enough.' I dunno. Maybe Elizabeth was dead set regardless of the science and there was nothing anyone could do. But I think Dr. Gardner did kinda light a fire under Elizabeth to 'prove her wrong.'

@micahsnow346

2 жыл бұрын

Totally disagree, if anything I’d blame Elizabeth’s parents for not instilling in her the ability to accept constructive criticism. She was raised in an atmosphere of privilege where she always got everything she hoped for. When I was a freshman in college multiple professors pointed out to me that I was not as good of a writer as I thought - and it hurt, but I now appreciate their feedback. I kind of blame Sunny too, he helped fuel a lot of her mania when she was a very young girl.

@samuelhong4272

2 жыл бұрын

this is a tv show bud

@hx20games77

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelhong4272 This is based/inspired by true events

@SY-ok2dq

2 жыл бұрын

@@micahsnow346 You mean "very young woman". Holmes was in university and what,18? when she met Balwani. No doubt Balwani was a bad influence and took advantage of her youth, but 18 is not a "very young girl". She was a young woman. And as someone growing up in the West in that time period, would have been able to experience a lot more than say, an 18 yr old in conservative India. Also, I think by 18 most of Holmes' personality traits and her ethics and values would have already been set. That she got so involved with Balwani, and for so long seems to suggest... Birds of a feather, flock together. They could be comfortable around each other since they both saw nothing wrong with breaking rules and laws, disregarding ethics - it would have been fine if that attitude was confined to just their extra-marital relationship, but they did it in the larger social world, in a big company - a company involved in healthcare.

@lenawagenfuehr53

2 жыл бұрын

Misogynistic pap. I was waiting for you to say "she should have smiled more"

In real life she actually had more meetings with Holmes and wasen’t as dismissive as she appears. She really put a lot more effort in showing her that the idea didn’t work which I wish they showed. Cause at this stage Elizabeth hadn’t done anything wrong and she just seems to dismissive. Where as in real life she tried to help her but Elizabeth was way to stubborn

Honestly if this scene was in a movie about a successful person you would all be kissing her ass and saying how we all need to work harder and ignore naysayers

@Pdmc-vu5gj

2 жыл бұрын

But it's not. It's a movie about a con artist.

@jimj1525

2 жыл бұрын

If…

@Jukeboxster

8 күн бұрын

i think people are saying Gardner was right because we know how things turned out for Holmes and no one likes her. I bet Gardner shitted on the dreams of a lot of honest people too, and that's a shame.

Palpatine would approve of her judgment and choice-making, NOT Yoda. Even, she did quote a Jedi Master’s words.

@Digidragon55

Жыл бұрын

Did she ever watch the Star Wars: Prequel Trilogy? Realizing Yoda’s understanding of failure.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

As someone with a chronic health condition it infuriates me what Holmes did and how she dismissed feedback such as this. She didn’t care about helping people. She just wanted to be famous and rich.

She reminds me of a professor I had in college, one that you NEVER wanted to be on her bad side.

Wow Jacky from Roseanne really leveled up in life.

Sounds promising

It’s sad. Dr Gardner was trying to help Holmes understand why her idea was not workable in very honest and straightforward ways without belittling her as a person. Too bad Holmes was unable to understand basic concepts.

@Jukeboxster

8 күн бұрын

well Gardner definitely belittled her, she was condescending from the very beginning.

@demon515

8 күн бұрын

⁠​⁠@@JukeboxsterHow was she condescending? She just flat out explained why it wouldn’t work. That’s not condescending that’s just facts.

she sounds exactly like one of my uni proffessors

She should definitely be in the next Transformers movie if they make another one 👍👍 your the best Amanda Seyfried

@garichar

2 жыл бұрын

Transformers More than meets the eye Transformers Robots in disguise

@joemarireal9259

2 жыл бұрын

@@garichar I was actually thinking of Linkin Park but that actually fits also 👍

@gamepoy5056

2 жыл бұрын

Transformers? That's a pretty low bar, she's better than that lol

Dr. Gardener isn't someone that Elizabeth can talk circles around to get her to do what she wants.

It wasn't the most graceful let-down, but she's right

I just realised Amanda has acted with both Leonard and Sheldon's moms and their roles are completely swapped from the show.😂

I thought she was going to say "the dark side I sense in you."

Her technical objections are, as far as I understand them, pretty solid, but I wonder if the drugs thing was necessary. Just a wondertool for diagnostics would be great and valuable. Almost better than a Star Trek tricorder even if, as in ST, you give a doctor the final word. If their "guild" is preserved, doctors will the first ones to welcome it.

roll credits. whole thing should have ended that day

Every guy I’ve ever dated.

@smellypatel5272

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe you should stop chasing after 6' undependable bad boys on tinder then, like every other disgusting, promiscuous woman these days does.

@anthonybernardi4929

2 жыл бұрын

My brother in Christ, this is maidenless behaviour

@TastemyAtrocity

2 жыл бұрын

Had a guy call me one time to spew Star Wars quotes, only to find out later that what he trying to say was we shouldn’t see each other anymore 😂

@doom3798

2 жыл бұрын

@@smellypatel5272 incel spotted

@smellypatel5272

2 жыл бұрын

@@doom3798 most people who call others incels are male feminist incels themselves. How's being raised by a single mother and never getting laid working out for you bud?

Laura Metcalf man. One of the greatest actors I've ever seen. All the way back from Roseanne.

Yoda would have told her that she was reckless and impatient.

I can’t believe she would humiliate herself further with a ridiculous Yoda quote.

I don't know this person, but everything I see from this series, the actress seems to be playing the hell out of the role. One day, I'll sit down and check it out.

Tell Yoda I say Hi 👋

Lady Bird’s mom!

18 year old Elizabeth Holmes had bee successful at virtually everything she put her efforts into up to that point. She thinks that if she just tries she can do anything. It's too bad she lacked the humility to just listen to her professors and work hard in school.

she should've listened to her

This is Sheldon’s mom everyone

Only thing I kept focusing on is isn't that the woman from uncle buck

No truer statement than that machines make mistakes to when humans are operating them. I 100 percent agree technology is only as good as its maker. The maker happens to be us flawed human beings. So what does that tell you?

So what I keep thinking is.....when the Wright brothers first went to a bank to obtain the capital they need to set up their lab....doubtlessly the loan officer was equally skeptical and dismissive. "If God had meant man to fly, he would have given us wings" or "you actually think people are going to get in this contraption made out of paper and twigs?" were probably the loan officer's reactions. And now look at the world of aviation a hundred years later. What I am getting at is that which seems improbable, unlikely or even impossible today.....may become commonplace decades down the road. I can't help but wonder if, one day in the next ten years or so, we will see Elizabeth's machines, working as envisioned, in stores with all the commonality of ATMs.

@cioccolatamania3622

3 ай бұрын

You seriously are comparing a "God didnt mean it", a religious opinion to an objection based on engineering, pharmacokinetic and and basic chemistry principle?

@Bloooo95

Ай бұрын

A bank loaner and a scientist aren’t comparable judges for what’s scientifically possible.

Obsession with Yoda, my girlfriend left me because of.

@eboniz

2 жыл бұрын

my

@birch8109

2 жыл бұрын

I like Yoda too

Well that was awkward

Seems like my kind of woman...before she went insane.

I wish Elizabeth would have applied her tenacity towards software instead of a medical device. She’s very very smart and determined and she really could have become extremely successful and started her own company I just think that anything in the medical field is very inflexible. You’d be surprised how many medical devices are invented by doctors because they are intimately familiar with what’s needed in that profession. It’s depressing but I know she’ll come back

@shaunasugar

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, what do you mean she’ll come back? 👀

@headphonic8

2 жыл бұрын

she isn't smart. she's just a narcissist.

@dakotarae159

2 жыл бұрын

@@shaunasugar she said she was planning on opening a new company

I think quoting Yoda was the ultimate evidence of ignorance on the part of Elizabeth......It was completely out of context.

*Baby Yoda

OK the first reason was maybe logical. But the second reason about people going to medical school and patients not trusting machines is such a backward way of thinking. In 100 years when all of these things are perfectly optimized by machines, such quots will be laughed at.

She is slated to get out of prison in 2032.

Is that Sheldon's mum?

Idc what anyone says Amanda Seyfried has never been hotter