Thanks as always Jeff. So much value in all that you put out.

As far as I know, you may be born with one type of voice, but successfully train yourself to sing with another type. am i right?

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

One of my teachers used to say that he 'masquerades as a tenor.' Which is to say that he's a baritone, but his technique is so good that he could sing repertoire that would normally be sung by tenors. People hearing him would not know the difference. One does not 'become' another fach, but you can emulate the characteristics and attain much of the overall range. Great question! Jeff

@SlashMC08

3 жыл бұрын

@@JeffRolka Thank you )

@davidthieme9885

3 жыл бұрын

@@JeffRolka Thank you! That is what I think I did over the years. My range flows from deep male C to falsetto f''' (that is the range I can control it well) and I was able to work it out with my vocal trainer in my city and with your videos. I have heard that a voice starts to imitate the singing of the person you listen to. It really seems to work if that person is "vocally" somehow connected to oneself. So it was extremely helpful training with your videos, especially during the preperation for our recording session. It really helped me out with too flat notes, which I think happended because I actually am a Baritone. It helped me a lot to brighten my voice and clear the "speaking" of the lyrics. So thanks a lot! When the album is done (hopefully somewhen this year), I would like to send you one as a little thanx ;) All the best! Dave

@joshuamclean4588

2 жыл бұрын

You are born with the voice you have (with changes to puberty and onset of adulthood and aging)- but you have you’re natural voice which is your genetics. What you do is train yourself to use that voice to the best that you can. What can sometimes happen is a for one example someone may start out singing in the baritone range but when they develop their higher range discover they are really a tenor. Or someone may be mistaken for a tenor because of a brighter tambre, but as they get older and develop discover they are better baritones. But if you are a tenor you cannot train your voice to become a bass, and vice versa. But you can extend your range and use different registers and “connect” your voice- that is using all the parts of your voice as one

@UzairKhan-qd3xu

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuamclean4588 tenor voice is unusual per se because the region it resides in has to be developed by every tenor so every tenor starts as a baritone because that range is to be developed ! this question of what am i should be asked after learning core concepts like breathing , tone clarity , etc!

Great educational and practical video, Jeff. Much appreciated

Thanks for addressing my question! I am going to have to spend some time to digest what you have so thoroughly explained. I have struggled with straining on high notes throughout my professional career. I took a long hiatus from performing which with age has amplified the issue. I have been considering getting back into some live theatre again and have been studying with a voice teacher now for the last six months. I regularly use your videos as supplemental exercises. Figuring out how to transition from chest to head voice is imperative. Thanks again!

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! Thank you for being a part of the channel! I wish you all the best! Jeff

I was waiting for this video. Thanks

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I hope that it offers some insight on how one can get started figuring our one's fach! Jeff

My long awaited question! Soon to be answered!

I will practice this. It was awesome

Really good information!

I kept singing various five note scales until I have hit the notes where my voice transitions. My voice transitions from chest to mixed on A3, then from mixed to head on Eb4, which totally makes sense, since I am used to belting around middle C. That middle C is smack dab in the center of that middle part of my voice, between my primo and secondo passagios. Give me a such 1980's female power ballad as "Alone" by Heart, where Ann Wilson keeps belting out notes around C5 and I will constantly go an octave down, being a guy who is used to belting out notes around C4 and being good at low notes, too.

You should make a class or video series on learning new songs- I have trouble with this and wear my voice out learning new songs!

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

I have been meaning to do just this. Thank you for mentioning it! Thank you for being a part of the channel! Jeff

Hi¡ Jeff from Ecuador... your videos are really cool...

Thank you so much for clarifying this for me! I am classified as a tenor by my teacher who was an Opera singer. My question to you is are there tenors that sit in the baritone range that are classified as dramatic tenors? As I have gotten older my voice has dropped considerably and I can sing much lower than I used to, but I can still hit my head voice or higher notes into falsetto, so I'd that common?

@sophisitcated1194

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Whether u lose top noted or not. You're still s tenor. As the voice ages, it drops. It's normal.

Thank you 🙏

@Spitek1974

3 жыл бұрын

@@ulquiorra635 11:07 mówi „over the break” - nad przerwą,czyli np.G4

Yess good job!

How exciting! The age old question!!!

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

Right on! Thanks for chiming in! Always a pleasure to hear from you! Yes, this question comes up frequently, so this video will go over the process of working towards a determination between the two fachs. All the best! Jeff

@Dylanklinemusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@JeffRolka Sounds awesome! Can’t wait!

Sneaking in a question: when doing exercises, such as sustained 'S' sound or fricatives or the Farinelli exercise, should you be doing those with (in?) appoggio? I would think so because you are trying to develop endurance, strength, and control of those muscles. Will you still do exercises as long as you sing or once you reach a certain level of ability, does singing warm-ups, technique directed exercises, doing your repertoire keep you in respiratory shape? Two questions. I get carried away...

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

Always nice to hear from you, David. In brief - yes, always practicing appoggio, and yes again, fundamentals never go out of style! The focus can feel different though. More of a reminder of what you do, rather than trying to consciously do something, if that makes sense. Best, Jeff

@davidwalsh944

3 жыл бұрын

@@JeffRolka yes." Reminder of what you do rather than trying to consciously do something" hits the nail on the head. Thank you.

I’m 16 years old and so far my range is G2-G#4 and when I started at 15 years old my range was G2-D4. My voice tone is very light and I’m wondering if I’m a baritone or tenor? Or am I too young to still tell? Will my voice and range change?

@sophisitcated1194

Жыл бұрын

Wait until 30. But for now you seem to be a young baritone. Give it time

How much do you think timbre and range are correlated?

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

One informs the other.

I have a question. I can get over the secondo passaggio, but I really strain very hard and my teacher doesn t know how to solve it. I can go over f f sharp(I believe I m a tenor) but I can t sing the notes properly because I strain.

@JeffRolka

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that you're having difficulties! I'll help with this and answer your question in Questions from Comments 41

So, what characterises a baritone vs a tenor? Is it just the quality of the voice, like a baritone sounds heavier than a tenor? Or is it determined by where one's bridge is?

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

All the aspects of one's phonation inform fach. It isn't one over another but all aspects combined. Best, Jeff

@joelstephenson8017

3 жыл бұрын

@@JeffRolka thnx

"Step 1: Align your vowels and adopt an arpeggio breath management practice in the thyroid arytenoid scene voice..." Exsqueeze me... do what now?? Side note: I was lost at 'align your vowels' and it took me nearly ten minutes just to find the correct spelling and definition of thyroid, arytenoid and arpeggio... and honestly, I still have no idea what you just said. 🤷‍♂️

@JeffRolka

Жыл бұрын

If one truly wishes to know their voice, learning how a few muscle groups operate and what they do for their voices is a low bar for entry in my opinion. I understand that that may not be the case for everyone. While we're here, though, it's not arpeggio breath management, it's appoggio breath management. Best, Jeff

So Jeff my lowest can sing as low as a baritone And my secondo passagio is D# E4 possible up to F4. I’m however working on increasing my range to like or even G or A4 for the start i don’t like putting limits to what my voice can do but what am I classified As?

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fach

@jordanmoss6488

9 ай бұрын

@@JeffRolkawhy don’t you just tell him?

This is great! But if we find the note for our passaggio what’s the note that separates the fachs ? Thank you

@JeffRolka

7 ай бұрын

It's more than just the transition point, but that, and other elements to consider can be read about here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fach

What can you do to rejuvenate your voice? I used to hit Amy Lee (from Evanescence) high Notes effortlessly! I used to regularly practice in those ranges. Now I'm 10 or so years older than when I last able to hit that high note. Snoozing hasn't helped, and yes I know i should quite. Can I regain any of that range?

@JeffRolka

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely, but it may take some time and diligent practice. If you're not already in a daily routine and have an appoggio practice, that would be where I would begin.

is there a video with all of these exercises in them?

@JeffRolka

Жыл бұрын

Care to elaborate? Which exercises? There are quite a few videos on my channel, all of which have a lot of exercises. If you're specifically interested in vocal ranges, have a look at this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gm1lr82GharQfbQ.html

I am a tenor in the choir I sing in!

@gustavopaulette3496

3 жыл бұрын

No one cares!!

@alejandroleon3121

3 жыл бұрын

@@gustavopaulette3496 hahahahaha true

Im still confused on all of this. Im gonna have to rewatch the videos to fully understand. 😂😂😂 But my range starts G2 and my zona di passagio is from D4 to F4to F#4, my register breaks are from F4 to G4 and for headvoice (which can be expanded) but for now starts at G4 ends also precisely at F#5. I know you cant judge straight away like that but it would help if you could give a rough idea on what i could be. I feel like I am a baritone but my mother (a vocal teacher) says that she would put me in tenor which i dont understand why. And if it would help, my voice tone sounds very "chesty" or dark as my friends describe. The notes after my passigi are weak at G4 but get more powerful as they go up and have been described as Whitney head voice tone. My chest voice is from my lowest note to F4. My belting range starts from C4 and ends at F#4 (I know I can go higher, I never properly Experimented.) To describe how I feel, A D4 is a comfortable belt for me and a B4 is a very high belt for me 😅😅. I can't belt higher than that.

Hello Jeff! My vocal range begins from A2 (Lowest) and my highest note is B5. Would I be considered a Tenor? I still cannot figure out. I feel more comfortable singing in Baritone (lower) range though. And my break usually occurs between A4 to B4. Thanks you for your video.

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fach

@sovietunion6109

Жыл бұрын

@@JeffRolka mine is from E2 to F#5 (with head voice) is thag tenor?

@sophisitcated1194

Жыл бұрын

@@sovietunion6109 it depending on where you sing 90% of the time within that range. All in all it sounds like ur a baritone with incredible range.

@sovietunion6109

Жыл бұрын

@@sophisitcated1194 I mostly sing in the lower potion cuz the high notes are both hard to hit and sound horrible, only head voice is kinda ok, although I do plan to train them more

@sophisitcated1194

Жыл бұрын

@@sovietunion6109 okay. My final question is how comfortable is that E2 for you? Is it as easy as breathing or do you have to put in a good bit of effort to hit E2? And what is your comfortable top note to sing consistently?

I’m here!!!

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Feryl! I'm so sorry I missed this!!! I specifically wanted to get into the chat but I was caught up in a session that ran over. Sorry I missed you! Jeff

Sir , I am untrained 17 year old boy . Just sang a song and my lowest note was G2 and highest note was G4 from male voice and in female voice C4 to F5. So am I tenor or baritone.

@gustavopaulette3496

3 жыл бұрын

That range is a baritone range

@joshuamclean4588

2 жыл бұрын

It’s hard to say when you are untrained but the above comment is correct but don’t assume that will always be the case once you develop your full potential. You could be a baritone but may not.

@joshuamclean4588

2 жыл бұрын

Chances are you may be. At that range more likely to become a baritone.

@joshuamclean4588

2 жыл бұрын

I had a similar range when I started. I am now more comfortable with lower and higher end. I found I could go only a little lower, but have developed a c5 and higher in mixed. But I don’t spend a lot of time singing up there yet. I havent been singing long enough to know for certain. I was more comfortable in the baritone range, but could still possibly do well as a lower tenor depending on how my voice developes over the years.

@joshuamclean4588

2 жыл бұрын

I’m still more comfortable singing more in the baritone range with some tenor high notes. I have done a bb4 live in a mixed voice but thats getting a little high. I may be able to pull off higher at certain times but do better in the baritone range for now.

I’m a tenor.

you only have to watch this for a few seconds to know ur a tenor

If you have it at E4, are you just extremely average and somewhere in between a baritone and a tenor?

@JeffRolka

10 ай бұрын

It depends on who you ask. Some would suggest lyric baritone, some would say baritenor, others may say tenor robusto - but I have to check on that. I'm traveling and can't double check the tenor robusto passaggi at the moment.

can a tenor break at eb4/e4?

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

Not according to the techniques I study, but you could also check here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fach Thank you! Jeff

@marcoschiattarella2528

3 жыл бұрын

i can’t really understand my break, sometimes i can feel chest resonance til F4 without straining maybe i just start preparing myself at E4, could that be possible?

I NEED to sound and become a barritone how I NEED to sound like Elvis Presley

@JeffRolka

Жыл бұрын

Right on! Best of luck!

@addywass9298

Жыл бұрын

@@JeffRolka Hey I could use a little help getting down to Elvis Presley's scale I have a big addition for my school play and I was wondering if you could anyway possible help me

9:40

Bro i have light tone and like.. range A2-B4,what am i 💀💀💀💀

@JeffRolka

11 ай бұрын

Have a look here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fach

R u a Tenor, Jeff?

@JeffRolka

3 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@Theshortyjudge

Ай бұрын

​@@JeffRolka Everyone that knows something about voice by hearing you can tell you are tenor

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