i'm totally speechless. i can't imagine how much imagination it takes to relate so many unrelated things and come up with such a mashup theory. you're a genius at this, Paul. i think you'd be better off being a salesperson than a CEO.

@mastershredder2002

4 жыл бұрын

Don't you get it? The CEO is a salesperson.

@mcbrion1951

3 жыл бұрын

@@mastershredder2002 No, he isn't. Paul is a very honorable guy, and invented a few top-quality components: the Genesis Digital Lens (probably long before you were aware of The High End). That was back in 1996. I owned one. A pretty spectacular unit. And some pretty highly-respected audio engineers champion the Power Plant, but again, I'm guessing, BYT ( (before your time). There are so many people who are new to High End and don't understand much, because they've only come into it in the past 15 years or so, when the Internet is full of opinions by people who've never owned these things (I have had 3 Power Plants of different power vintages, as well as some other top line conditioners, but this dates back to 1994, so I've got 26 years of experience with these things). AND, they don't realize that most High End components were built to reveal the accuracy of ACOUSTIC instruments, not multi-track, over-produced and amplified pop/rock recordings, which almost never sound real on disc (not since 1978, anyway. There are a few exceptions, of course.) And vinyl will reproduce music recorded before 1982 far bettter than digital (because most of the recordings were done in the analog domain up until then), but by the mid to late '80s? A big portion of recordings were made digitally, even though it was a highly flawed, immature technology, so there's that to consider, too. Just like early SLR digital cameras could match a cheap $500 analogue camera, so, too, $5000 digital converters did not sound as close to real instruments as a $500 turntable (provided you knew anything about setting up a turntable correctly. (Which even audiophiles had trouble with.) Anyway, Paul's a distinctly knowledgeable - and honorable - man. If you want a "salesperson," you would have said Mike Kay (no longer alive) of Lyric Hi Fi. His story was THE audio store in the country. Unfortunately, he was also the kind of person who encouraged designers to sell their product for 2-3 times the price, because he was of the mind that "audiophiles only think it's good if it's expensive." HE was a "saleseperson." (With excellent ears.) Not Paul. This is what happens when youngsters speculate about things they actually KNOW very little about. Oh, disclosure: I was once in the business, so I know a bit more than most. But that was back in 1984 and from how you phrased your response, I'm thinking you weren't even around then. Or were very, very young. A suggestion: Listen to something before you speculate. You'd never have said that if you knew Paul.

this video just answered a million questions of mine. My Class D Genelec studio monitors sounded god awful on a cheap best buy power strip.. plugged straight into the wall and boom it's like I have a new system!!

Hello Paul, would your Detect Condtioner improve the overall sound at all? I was thinking about getting that in addition to your AC receptacle but now you have me second guessing. As the original person who asked you the question, I also can not afford a regenarator but was thinking a conditioner would be the next best option? Thanks

I need to try a power regenerator once again, the P5 I audition sounded way to soft, reminded me of the ps audio directstream. Maybe that's PS Audios signature, or it might be other factors at hand. Best practice when it comes to power are to alter it (no filter and similar things) as little as possible, and really good use unshielded power cables and perhaps some grounding boxes.Thats my experience so far. More testings needs to be done.

How old is your Furman? The modern ones are very good. I use a PST-8D and for under $200, it's a great value.

Come to FL. It happens allll the time lol Everything electronic in my home goes through battery backup

@Bannockburn111

5 жыл бұрын

You have surges that damage your electrical devices all the time? That's just crazy. Or do you mean you have significant power fluctuations and/or outages? That would make more sense to me giving Florida's temperamental weather conditions - still though, "all the time" sounds like you have a power company of questionable quality more than anything else.

@cablebrain9691

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's time for a longer ground rod on the outside of your house. I would think that the soil there might be problematic. Just a guess though.

@TheTrueVoiceOfReason

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake Who knows? Maybe it's part of a HTPC system or there is a compy delivering the source to the stereo, in which case it makes sense. Or maybe music is really really important. IDK.

@TheTrueVoiceOfReason

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake The file in question may be read only, but the software reading the file and the OS have other files open for read/write, and most programs don't take.kindly to being stopped without proper shutdown, sometimes even becoming corrupt. But again, I don't know this guy's reasons, so.... ?

I have a Tripp-Lite LC1200 and an IsoBar. Haven't yet tried the IsoBar for my audio system, but the LC1200 does no harm to the sound. The Dectet appears to be about the same thing as an IsoBar but costs several times as much.

I have power amp in the wall and TT, phono Pre, Mac mini, tv, Roku plugged into an old Panamax. The Panamax has two plugs that occupy the nearest outlet. What’s best way to get more outlets other than a dectet or the like? Ideally I’d install two dedicated lines but I rent and (1) don’t really know what I’m doing and (2) don’t wanna spend 1k+ on an electrician and wiring for a rental. Noise/hum is a slight problem in my system however.

@bradleykay

5 жыл бұрын

Douglas Blake thanks for the reply. I need to google “floating input.” I’ve got a rega p6 into a dynavector p75 mk3 with stock cables then auditorium 23 interconnects into a line magnetic tube amp. Noise/hum is more noticeable when it’s hot and a/c (and fridge and the like) are working harder. Quieter late night.

When Paul introduced at a Chicago show the ReGenerator it had a switch which modified the Oscillator and changed the detailing of the music, so you had two choices. Is that still something built in to the current models? Not mentioned in recent videos about the ReGenerators.

Good Place to go when in the Portland area, Portland Spirit boat dinner or lunch cruise, Portland city grill on top of big pink, Island Cafe tropical lunch dinner spot, Columbia River Hotel for lunch or dinner. Also, use 220 AC power if your power amps can run on 220 AC than you double the available power for the transformers in your amps. more power Scotty!!!

One good alternative would be a separate DC power supply to feed the power amplifier. Definitively something to look In to...

What would the answer be if it was for outdoor use with a generator?

Ran balanced 240 to the rig then double 10kw 2:1 step down trans for some common mode noise rejection. It helped but still not as good as 2:am.

I might have missed it but did he mention running a dedicated outlet in this video. That was one of the first things I did when setting up my small system. I put in 2 new 15 A breakers with 12 AWG wire. going to 2 outlets beside each other. I am not running much power.

Even the PS Audio PowerPlay conditioners from a few years ago?

I have a very good alternative to a power regenerator. It is clear that this device is just a power supply that takes the mains voltage from the wall, converts it back to DC and then back again to AC. You can do that with a DC power supply and a pure sinewave inverter! Just make sure you buy quality stuff I can recommend Meanwell. It will cost a pretty penny but it would still be much cheaper than any commercially available "regenerators" out there and it works a treat! Surely a powerplant is a much more elegant and quiet solution with probably better filtering but if you can place them somewhere you don't hear them (they are loud) and route the power cable to the room in which your sound system is you're golden!

Maybe the new PS Audio Stellar P3 is in the questioner's price range?

Supra at jenving.com have some power products that both has some limited DC filtering, but have only positive effects on power amplifiers. It is fairly cheap too compared to other power products. I have one now, and I have now more dynamics and less noise from my system. I just tried it out of curiosity but was very pleasantly surprised by the amount of positive effects it had on the sound. I bought the MD07DC mains block for the EU connector. It has DC filter on all outputs, and additional filtering for the last five outputs. It was 600 dollars well spent. I don't have the money for power plant or similar for a very long time. I want to upgrade my components first. Then further down the road I might invest in power plant or something similar, but not now.

@oysteinsoreide4323

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake the 7 outlet has. But not the other ones. The one with 7 is the only one with DC filter.

@oysteinsoreide4323

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake www.jenving.com/products/view/mains-block-md07dc-16-eu-sp-3024000493 Here is a link to the DC filtered power block.

@oysteinsoreide4323

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake And here is the link to the DC filter only, block www.jenving.com/products/view/dc-blocker-md01-16-eu-3024000378

@oysteinsoreide4323

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake I had hum in my power amplifier before I had the DC filter. After I introduced it, it went away. Devices that are on your system will pollute the power with DC. No question. I had a bad thermostat on my oven than introduced DC offset. But all sorts of bad electrical equipment are polluting the grid. Also inside the house, not just from the outside of the house.

@oysteinsoreide4323

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake Unfortunately our power in the wall is not a perfect sinus wave. Had it been that, we had been OK.

I too found Paul’s answers to be somewhat opaque. I’ve long tried to sort out the power supply conundrum. Currently (no pun intended) I’ve got an APC battery backup.surge protector feeding a Dectet. My hope is that, because of the APC, the not infrequent power outs and ins in my area will not fry my audio equipment, and that the Dectet will straighten everything out before it gets to my equipment. I set up this system about a year ago and to tell you the truth, i noticed an instant change in SQ - and not for the better. I’ve taken the APC out of the chain without any seeming change in SQ. I’ve got to mess around a bit more because I worry that my worrying has introduced too much mucking about and thus degradation in power supply. I guess that I just don’t really know what to do.

Surges almost never happen? Oh Paul. Have you heard of Florida? We get lightening every afternoon. Great huge surges are common place and have fried many electronic components here.

@Paulmcgowanpsaudio

5 жыл бұрын

I stand corrected! Sorry about that. I suppose I get insulated here. While we too have daily thunderstorms, some quite fierce, they never seem to affect the power.

@TheTrueVoiceOfReason

5 жыл бұрын

@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio It's the altitude, Paul. The clouds are closer to the ground in Colorado and it's easier for the lightning to connect with the earth. Florida is much lower in altitude and the sand acts as an insulator, so the lightning has to find easier paths to ground. Hence why the wires in Florida get hit so often. BTW, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Wanna buy it?

I can, Cyrus PSX-R. Of course, as always, I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

@r423sdex

5 жыл бұрын

Now use Cyrus 8 2 dac qxr without the psxr , could not tell the difference .

Anyone who thinks that plugging directly into the wall without any type of protection from spikes and surges is a fool. Your entire electrical system comes from those wires outside where mother nature does all sorts of nasty stuff. I've had surge suppressors on my stuff here for almost 30 years and never had a problem. UNTIL about a month ago a nasty storm rolled through FAST. The tv (entertainment center) was on and we had a few brownouts. Then there was a weird glow and a huge spike came down the lines and out went the lights and everything. A few seconds later, the lights came back on, but the tv wouldn't. Nothing in the entertainment center would power up. The two surge suppressors that supplied power to everything there had sacrificed themselves, as designed, to save the electronics downstream. So 27 + - years of "clean enough" wall power and "no need for surge suppressors" ended and the $20 -$30 I spent WAY BACK THEN finally paid off. Go ahead, roll that dice. Everyone will eventually lose. It just may take a very long time. Hmm, sacrifice $20 - $50 or blow up 10's of 1000's of dollars. I know where my insurance $ goes. Hey Paul, do you pay for car insurance? You may never need it, but if someone else crashes into you, I'll bet you'll be contacting the insurance co. Hmmm?

@brianmoore581

5 жыл бұрын

Good point. I have everything but the amp on a surge protector strip just in case. I've never had a problem, but it's there, just like home and automobile insurance--which I have used.

Power amps should not be put on any conditioner or regenerator. The best power source for a power amp is the raw wall power. Any surge that can damage a power amp can likely damage a re-generator as well. After all a re-generator is nothing more than an audio power amp it's self. Now source gear such as DACs, preamps, servers, can benefit from some power filtering. But fortunately you can get these surge protectors and filtered power strips cheap at any home center. That's all you need. If you have data protection concerns, then a small basic UPS unit works well.

My system still runs thru a pair of Ultimate Outlets, one for the amplifier and the other for the rest of the system. Before that, I used an API Power Wedge which lacked surge protection, and I lost my CD transport during the NYC blackout of 2003 (the rest of my system survived).

So all those PS audio power conditioners are useless? 🤔

Vertiv ITA2 UPS is the best of best，since I used it never look back，beat any audiophile power conditioner. but UPS required to be installed isolated from music room

@oysteinsoreide4323

5 жыл бұрын

that product is not made for audio equipment in particular and there is no guaranty that it can come near a audio oriented power plant or similar. Audio power plants must be able to deliver 40 to 100 Amps of peak power to handle the demand of power amplifiers to be able to be "invisible" for the power amplifier, or else the peaks in the amplifications will suffer and you will lose dynamics in the playback. You could test it for audio, but if it is not tested for it in particular, then I would not recommend it before I had tested its qualities. edit: Side note: Since it cleans the power, the sound will have less noise, but at the risk of loosing dynamics. But you should be able to test that by checking if you have more dynamics directly from the wall.

@ethan8023

5 жыл бұрын

Oystein Soreide I tested, even p20 can not provide 100 amp, compared to p20 I prefer ITA2 6KVA more.

@oysteinsoreide4323

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake The audioquest niagara 7000 supports 90 Amps of peak power, you can find it on this page: www.audioquest.com/ac-power/ac-power-conditioners/niagara-series/niagara-7000

@oysteinsoreide4323

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake continuous power is not the same as spikes. All the fuses in a fuse cabinet are slow fuses which is only reacting if the current is of a certain duration.

@oysteinsoreide4323

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake And P20 from PS Audio has up to 70 Amps of power output in peaks. www.psaudio.com/directstream-p20-power-plant/

My naim dealer swears against using a power generator with. My Naim NAP 250 dr amplifier.

A double static conversation UPS is as good a choice as a regenerator. The problem is they cost even more. Line interactive UPSs are OK for desktop PCs but with up to 40 percent THD I wouldn't recommend one for a high end audio system. If you want spike or surge protection I bought an Intermatic protector for my circuit breaker panel that protects my entire house at Home Depot for 27 dollars and a 2 pole 15 amp circuit breaker for a few dollars more. If you aren't comfortable working on your homes electrical system have an electrician install it. It only takes about 5 or 10 minutes.

Shunyata ... a company that makes power cables, interconnects that costs in the thousands. Hmmmmmm ... Why won’t any of these manufacturers conduct a real AB test to put such things to rest once and for all. All I use is a simple line conditioner cum surge protector that costs a mere $150. Got it more for the surge correction. It’s also been tested from the mains with an ENTECH wideband powerline noise analyzer. With the line conditioner the readings dropped from a value of 60 to a mere 1. Guess there is a difference but to what extent it makes the system sound better, I’m unsure 😂🤣

@mcbrion1951

3 жыл бұрын

They have. Shunyata has demonstrated this at MANY shows. Using professional test equipment. And now, medical facilities use this equipment that "cost in the thousands" because they themselves can now hear heart murmurs that previously they could not. Read. www.theaudiobeat.com/blog/shunyata_research_medical.htm

@hushpuppykl

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcbrion1951 ... TQ for the link!

Inakustik AC 3500p

Balanced mains units work very well and they cancel noise on the mains the same way a balanced cable cancels signal noise. The ones from Airlink are used by the BBC and are comparitively inexpensive. I find they remove glare and add spaciousness to the soundstage without robbing dynamics. I just use mine for source and preamp. It makes a big difference to the refinement of the sound without taking anything away.

Tesla power wall just for your hifi?!

Paul I love you, but can you please answer the Damn Question !!!!! :o)))))))

@googoo-gjoob

5 жыл бұрын

i value the tangents AT LEAST equally to the questions. many of lifes best lessons & greatest moments come in the tangents. slow down & enjoy them.

@jamesplotkin4674

5 жыл бұрын

@@googoo-gjoob I agree. If Paul actually got straight to the point, the video would be less than 2 minutes. Where's the fun in that?

@hoifungcheu

5 жыл бұрын

He did: "I might just plug it right into the wall."

@Paulmcgowanpsaudio

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry. It's not a simple question. (or maybe it is). If you just want an alternative to expensive regenerators to offer you surge and spike protection as well as a bit of cleaning, I recommend our Dectet. www.psaudio.com/products/dectet-power-center/ At just $500 it's a steal.

@josealfredfernandes

3 жыл бұрын

@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Hey. Can't I use online ups?

Need it more than ever with dirty electricity from "smart" meters.

@ArlenMoulton2

5 жыл бұрын

You do know that the only thing in line with the supply in a smart meter is a copper current sense bar? And there's no way that a copper bar can make your electricity dirty, I'm sorry...

The pacific northwest has some of the best electricity in the world... I wouldn't about. I too live near Portland in Hillsboro Oregon.

In the end the amplifier is running on dc. Also as your dc is not regulated. Dc is the main problem. You either need well engineered smps, or you need to smash huge capacitors in to avoid dc fluctuation. Ac regeneration is totally useless.

@johnyang799

5 жыл бұрын

6 or 12 of 22000uF caps.

@johnyang799

5 жыл бұрын

Rule of thumb is 500uF per watt.

i always purchase and prefer physical books for my reading and library, BUT, i've been totally ingnored over the last year or so regarding my request/vid regarding the science and hi-fi application of "stereo dimensional array" as used by some speaker companies and wanting to learn and hear about it from Paul himself through his experience and expertise ,SO, i won't be purchasing the copies of the book for myself and a couple friends until then:(

I'm commenting so I'll be notified... going to make some popcorn and enjoy the show, the comedic value is worth it....🤣😂 BTW call a couple of high end amplifier manufacturers and tell them you're interested in buying their amp, then ask them " what do I need to power it" ??

@poserwanabe

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake I always think it's best to help people and try to educate them technically, but I've come to the conclusion it's almost impossible, plus I don't like to argue...the amount of voodoo in audio amazes me 😲

I use ifi AC ipurifiers. I started with a few. When ever had couple hundred extra dollars I would get a couple more. I several in my system and more plugged in around my home. My stereo sounds much better, more live and 3D. Also my tv picture Has way better color saturation, clarity, and depth.

You're not going to get any drop-in voltage running it directly from the mains that's 13.2 amps only possibly if you runing heavy equipment like massive air conditioners, best thing is to keep the hi-fi circuitry separate form anything else. You could run it off a variac run it off batteries a APC ups 3 or 5 VA, the easy to pick up cheap usually the batteries are shot replace the batteries of 48 volt batteries small ones or large batteries. Connect your neutral directly outside the socket to outside and have the Earth's outside but away from the neutral 20 ft distance

Power regenerators are only worth considering if the power supply is 110v ... 245 v supplies are far far better and are quite clean and stable ...

@Paulmcgowanpsaudio

5 жыл бұрын

What do you base that on? I have spent a great deal of time going over Power Plant data (as the units measure the power and report back to us) and 240 volt systems are as bad and, in some cases like in India, a lot worse.

@janinapalmer8368

5 жыл бұрын

PS Audio ~ You must understand that 110 volt supplies have to handle twice the current for a given wattage rating of the appliance...ok ? Now current is the devil here ... the more current that's used equates to voltage drops and poor power factor and noise and spikes produced by online switching of reactive loads ... 245 volt systems are by far the best ( only if it's supplied in accordance with the regulations ( India for example has a very ad hoc system .. whereas the UK and Australia are by far much better and don't have power failures ) I'd go so far as to suggest Power regenerators are a must in 3rd world countries running on 110 vac ! For my house .. which is on 245vac all I've done is to have a 35 Amp cable run from the meters to the main wall socket ( also 35 A ) and the supply gives no problems at all.

@andydelle4509

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake Except that the voltage drop is less of a problem. Also in high density data centers. There was a proposal just a few years ago to offer a 415vac option on commercial data center gear. (obviously a European idea at 415vac) They even proposed a new IEC connector with slanted rather than straight prongs. Not sure if this idea died or is still being pursued.

@andydelle4509

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake Well we had 440v I think before the 1960s, then it went to 460v, and now it's 480v since about 1980 IIRC. Just like 110, 115, 117, and 120v. European standard voltages are a bit different above 220-240v.

@andydelle4509

5 жыл бұрын

@Douglas Blake Density. One 415v 6 foot power strip has the same capacity as four 120v strips. Also the numbers of branch circuits is decreased. Obviously only an advantage in large technical centers. Also note that most larger switch mode power supplies already operate at 380v. They use a doubler rectifier circuit at 120v and a direct rectifier at 240v. Not much cost and effort to push that to 500v. Obviously this proposal has not gone anywhere yet and won't very fast as we are talking about a new world distribution standard. But it is an interesting concept.

I use spike/surge arresters at the wall..... for about 10 bucks a piece . They work fine.

Hats off to you for dodging the draft during the Vietnam war. I was prepared to do the same but my number never came up thank goodness.

@motorradmike

5 жыл бұрын

Lynn Poole,so noble.

Seems like Torus products were conveniently avoided? Come on - they make killer products suitable for beastly amps. I get it that this is a PS Audio channel but that just seemed silly to pretend they don’t exist.

Most people don't have a problem with the electricity in their homes, and we'll made audio equipment will sort out any problems you may have. Total bs.😂

@Tacet137

5 жыл бұрын

Tell that to my tin wires in my 70 years old flat

@r423sdex

5 жыл бұрын

@@Tacet137 if electricity passes through your wires your ok. 😀

@Simon-dn9kv

5 жыл бұрын

Or it might not. Check out this video, even on KZread the differences can easily be heard. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJuqmql7ZMLcXcY.html That being said, the effect at home with less polluted mains most like won't be as dramatic.

@r423sdex

5 жыл бұрын

@@Simon-dn9kv Don't make me laugh, this bloke thinks that expensive cables make a difference. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@poserwanabe

5 жыл бұрын

This is why I'm here 😂🤣

Thanks for being honest and upfront about draft dodging. Unsubscribed.

@billwillard9410

4 жыл бұрын

Scott Parrish He came back, went through basic training (many times, according to his book), was deployed to Germany, never saw any fighting, honorably discharged.

Anything relating to power as far as audio is concerned is snake oil.Money spent on these boat anchor's are best spent elswhere.

Vertiv ITA2 UPS is the best of best，since I used it never look back，beat any audiophile power conditioner. but UPS required to be installed isolated from music room

@terrywho22

5 жыл бұрын

Aren't those things like $5k?