I like the honesty!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!

Thanks for your helpful review!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

No problem Hank!!! Appreciate you watching man!!!

Great honest video Papa Smurf like you I am on a budget my next 21 will probably be a maxshine keep up the good work 🌮🌮

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!! Yes I almost bought the M21 but I have already ordered this and now I kinda wish I went with the M21 lol. But, it's ok. I'll stay positive and hope the 5" backplate helps out! 👍🏻 appreciate you watching!! 👍🏻👍🏻

Very good honest and thorough review.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ryan!! Appreciate cha buddy!

Such a great video PapaSmurf! Very thorough first impressions, love how you're able to capture the details like the sharper edges of the screw hole underneath the platypus head that can dig into your hand and cause discomfort and share that stuff with us. You bring up a great point as well with the reason you're picking up the G21, which is to focus on the compounding and correction step and speed that up. In that case, you definitely need that polisher to be fully balanced with the microfiber cutting pads because you're going to be pairing those pads up with this specific polisher the most. I think the weighted backing plate screws to better match the different types of pad you're working with is a good concept, but it has to work in the real world, especially if you have to spend additional time to unscrew the plate and swap the new screw in. The heat of the polisher is definitely an issue, based on your initial thoughts here I think Griot's needs to spend a bit more time to fine tune this polisher. Looking forward to your thoughts once you get the 5" backing plate in to see if this helps out any. Thanks so much for pumping this out for us, I was really looking to get some feedback and your thoughts were summed up perfectly mate! Awesome work on this!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!! Appreciate you! Yeah, these little things may not have been caught by some but really play a role in comfort! The Weighted screws I agree I think is a good concept as well! Just not very well thought out. It's an inconvenience for me if you think about having to swap pads but then swap bolts as well. For this being there best machine I expected a little more R&D behind this. The heat....oh man the heat.. I was very shocked at how hot it was in the short amount of time. Not a fan. Unfortunately though I've decided to send it back! I just thought to myself even if I were to get the vibration down with the 5" backplate I'd still be fighting these heat issue. I can imagine working even half a car. I agree and think they need to go back to the drawing board on this as I expected more. Been waiting 3 months for this thing!!! Lol I'll be returning and getting a credit with Griots for price purchased. Pretty pissed at Detailed Image for not taking it back and refunding my money! Appreciate your insights my friend!!!🤝🏻🤜🏼🤛🏼

@jdisdetermined

3 жыл бұрын

WaxMode! Make more friggin videos homie! Like alot more! 😁👍✌

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

He took a new job man! He is BUSY!!! he will get back at it when he can just gotta be patient!😎👍

@jdisdetermined

3 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail definitely not complaining, just a way of saying he has a great channel.

@WaxMode

3 жыл бұрын

@@jdisdetermined Thanks Keith! All of my gear is still down in Florida, I’m getting ready to start testing again soon though which will lead to more videos. Ethos Resist is on the way, CarPro’s new SiC coating as well, I’ve got the Turtle Wax Graphene lineup that I still haven’t touched yet, and really want to pick up Adam’s Graphene line as well and test it. More to come!

Thanks for the honest review!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

2 жыл бұрын

No problem!! Thank you for taking the time to watch! 🤜🤛

@momomotorsports

2 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail did you end up keeping it. How did it react when you went to the 5” backing plate?

Very informative video. I liked it a lot. As for me I don't mind changing the balancing bolt to cut the vibration because if I have to do a full car I will not change it every two minutes but this is my humble opignon. Keep up the good work you are helping a lot of poeple like me that are not pro.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! I appreciate you tuning in! Yeah no worries! Everyone has there own opinion and I respect them all. 🤝

The Boss G21 with a 5 in backing plate absolutely love that machine for correction. I haven’t tried the new machine but the changing of bolts for diff pads 🤔.. thanks Eric great review.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Man, I know! The older Boss G21 FAB absolutely loves it. But still is much more expensive.. wish I would have purchased that but at the time my bank account said no hahahaa. Oh well, live and learn. Sending it back and will use that money for something else!

@kennovakowski1246

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 just an idea see if Griots have any old stock left and trade it for the old model G21. Good luck appreciate your videos

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely man. Griots had no old G21s. Detailed image has a few left.. at 385 plus tax... but I'm not happy with DI right now for one... 2, I already have an M21 pro series II in the works 😁

Outstanding review. 👍

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Joe! Appreciate that my friend!🤝🤙

Awesome bro 😎👍🏼

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother!!!🤝🏻🤜🏼🤛🏼

Great video buddy

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

ONR thanks man appreciate it!👍🏻

Great video Papa🌮 I think you'll like it better with the 5"🤔 I found over the years that I have gotten less vibration with the 5 over the 6. I wasn't sure if it was real or if it was just psychosomatic, but I do prefer the 5"👍 Loving your videos they are definitely getting more professional. You're becoming a big movie star📽

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!!! Appreciate that! Unfortunately even with the 5 inch backplate that's backordered again that will be 2 months out. That I'm not waiting for. I still need to deal with the heat and how hot its gonna get during full corrections... that paired with the inconvenience of having to swap out bolts with pads... just not going to work on my world.. nothing against Griots, but it's going back to them..

I’m a new subscriber 🙏👍. Appreciate your objectiveness

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

David thanks for subscribing my friend! Welcome to the smurf family! 🤝👍

Real time testing and comments, both positive and negative all with complete commentary. 5 🌟 stars!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Kyle! Appreciate that! Lol I'll take the 5 stars😎🤣 I bit disappointed to be honest. I kind of see myself returning to put that 220 bucks into something better. Or even the older G21!!

Liked the video,I just got a G9 hope there's no problems my cord.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael!! I love my G9 no doubt!! Hope you don't have a cord issue either man! Other than that I've had 0 issues with the unit.. 👍🏻👍🏻 thank you for watching man!

Great review Pop! I have the same feeling that you do. It has a ton of torque, but other than that, not a smooth machine. I noticed the machine got really warm as well. I returned it to Griots a couple days ago for a refund.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Mark, yeah man I see myself doing the same to be honest... even if I fix the vibration issue I don't like how hot the unit got after just some small passes on a test hood!! Not happy. I purchased from Detailed Image so I may need to send it back to them

@Mark-cw3io

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918, I purchased mine directly from Griots. They take returns, no questions asked. Definitely mention to DI the unit gets very warm. They may not take returns of used polishers. The BOSS G21 seems to be of higher quality, hence the higher price tag. I know people don’t like the high price tag of Rupes, but I tried a friends Mark III 21 and it is smoooooooooth!! You must use the 6” backing plate with it to maintain balance.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah detailed image is telling me they don't take returns on used items😑 ummm.. I'm detecting a run around here for sure and it's going to piss me off LOL we will see what Griots says!

Good review 👍

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Keith!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Hi ! I am debating with model I should get G9 or G21... I will use it for the boat compound and polish, and for my cars. Is the G9 strong enough for boat fiberglass compound ? Have you tried to stall the G9 ? I am kind of afraid to get the G21 following your review. So would the G9 be strong enough for my uses ? Thank you.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

Hey! So, if you plan on polishing a boat the G9 will not cut it. You would be there for a long time. Would work great at applying wax/sealant!! The G21 would be best bet but I didn't care for it much. The Maxshine M21pro is awesome.. the New Shinemate polishers are getting a ton of great reviews as well. Flex is another great polisher.. most people prefer the rotory for boat polishing as well. Gel coat is tough! Hope this helps!

Nice video Papa!! I will likely go with the Flex 3401 for my next machine. Hope that cord doesn't give you any problems. 😬

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!!! Yes, I hear so much good stuff about the 3401! Let me know when you get yours and how you like it!. I'm really hoping the 5 " backplate helps with the vibration issue. That's for sure! Yes, the cord...😄 better not be having issues with this thing! I still need to send my G9 cord in to them!

Mine is supposed to show up today. I do know they run hot but hopefully it’ll be bearable. I’m looking forward to getting it to some work.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Oh boy. Keep me posted on your thoughts!👍🏻

Well that’s a little bit of a disappointment! I think I will stick with my original G21. I agree you shouldn’t have to switch bolts for different pads. My G21 gets warm but nothing to bad even after an entire paint correction it’s just warm. Looks like they may have their hands full on this one. They should have just kept the original machines and did some minor updates. Great honest review brother!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother! Yeah man a bit disappointed for sure! Wish I would have bought the older version.. still around 385 plus tax on detailed image and i may end up returning and getting that one! Dude this thing was WAY to warm only after a few little test sections.. if I did a whole car?! No way.. this thing would be HOT. even if the backplate fixes the vibration idk that I'll like the getting hot portion ya know? Idk man, we will see. I think I may know where this is gonna lead lol.

@Mark-cw3io

4 жыл бұрын

FAB Automotive Detailing the BOSS G21 seems to be of higher quality for sure. I returned the new G21 to Griots. Not a smooth machine.

@jaykid007

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 how about that machine on autogeek that’s a little more than 385 and you get the 5 in1

@FABAutomotiveDetailing

4 жыл бұрын

Mark 17 I agree! The old version is a heavy duty workhorse!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaykid007 I saw that and I'll look Into it a tad more!

Between this and shinemate 21mm polisher, maxshine 21mm, which has been your favorite??? Which would you recommend? Thanks

@PapaSmurf918Detail

Ай бұрын

Id honestly go with the Shinemate. ✊️ then 2nd griots, 3rd maxshine . Appreciate you taking the time to watch!

Likewise. I like your honesty. I also have a Maxshine 15mm d.a. as well. How does it compare to the G21? I love the excitement when you opened the box. That was great!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Appreciate that Kim! I have the M15pro series II and in comparison to that. My maxshine is MUCH smoother operation with microfiber pads by FAR. the G21 is a bit heavier but it packs a huge punch of power and wins that category over my maxshine. With the foam pad I will say it's pretty smooth and no complaints there except how hot the unit gets.. my Maxshine does get warm but not a hot at this G21 does. Overall the G21 has more power and less stalling... that's about it. Still, I'm reaching for my M15pro Series II

Thanks for info , to many variables hopefully 5" backing plates helps out. Myself waiting to upgrade with new Griots 15mm but like others look for help and info from you and Fab. Waiting on Griots new 5" backing plate for long throw to see how it works on my older Maxshine polisher. Gave your video on AutoGeek Detailing Forum a mention :) Auto-Fanatic talked about polisher getting warm .

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely tons of variables here! And me too my friend. Hope that 5" plate helps! They are having backorder issues I guess with the 5" backplate and G15 so I'm told. But oh well nothing I can do haha! Appreciate you giving my video a shout out! Definitely gets warm... warm warm!!! After that small little 3 sections?! No way it should be that warm... and if for some reason it doesn't work out I'll ship it back and get my money back.. but I'll keep the 5" backplate for my Maxshine polisher 😄 thanks for watching my friend!🤜🏼🤛🏼👍🏻

@kbstoy1913

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail Its a shame on Griots I remember you had problems with your 1st G9 . Hopefully the G15 has nothing major. Update from Detail Image, 5" backing plate pushed back to 5 Sept :(

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, I canceled my backplate.. and am returning the G21 back to griots.. Detailed image wouldn't even take it back!!! Kind of pissed at them for this. Now I can't get a refund... have to send it direct to Griots which I'm grateful they are taking it back. I'll have 220 in griots credit.. time to shop!!!

@kbstoy1913

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail Scrolling detail forums and read some more comments on G21 getting warn for them also some returned their units :( Wait and see G15 just disappointing for this weekend detailer .

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Aww dang.. well, glad to know I'm not the only one. Its unfortunate but... it is what it is! Appreciate you filling me in!

New sub 👍 nice vids man

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks brotha!!! Appreciate the sub! 🤜🏼🤛🏼✊🏼

😬 That kinda sucks.. Awesome review.. thinking about the G21.. so close to pull the trigger.. so glad you are so honest 😎👍🏼👍🏼 Im good at losing small hardware.. I cant have that..😕

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah man I'm kind of mad! Lol even if the 5 " plate fixes the vibration this thing gets HOT... imagine doing an entire car with it. We will see, I can see myself sending it back to be honest. I'll keep everyone posted though!!! Yes, different bolts for different pads?? To much for me. Appreciate you watching my friend!

Papa great video! I have the G8 and was looking at the G21 next. Do you think the G9 would be a better choice since I’m a newbie?

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joshua!!! I love my G8!!! Ok so your a newbie I'd stick with the G9... get comfortable with that machine then bump up to a 15mm throw ( g15 ) when your ready👍👍

Great video papa, I want the G8, but I'm cordless, so in looking for a cordless version of the G8. Do you have any recommendations? Your opinion matters!!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mike! I absolutely love my G8 hands down I'll reccomend that ALL day. I don't know of anything similar that's cordless though? 🤔🤔 sorry I can't help ya out buddy! Appreciate you watching though and if you find something keep me posted!

@MikesAutoDetailing

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail thanks papa, i just watched your ceramic wax by ethos video, do you think the new graphine can go on to of that for a 1-2 punch??

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not 100% sure but I'll get the answer and let you know my friend!!👍🏻👍🏻

Watched their Q&A from last month, sounds like they redesigned the backing plate. Wonder if that helps the issues you reference.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

Stephen, yes they did. I have already sent mine back but hear the backplates are nice. Might give one a go on my m21 from maxshine

Once I get this one I guess I’ll be able to compare them all.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely wanna hear you thoughts on em all man!!! I've got my M21Pro coming tomorrow.. might do an unbox and review on that bad boy. After using the G21. I'd love to compare the 2.

Thanks for the great videos. I’m fixing on getting the G9. What wax do you recommend for slight swirl marks and scratches

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Appreciate that.. so are you looking for like an all-in-one??

@peterbertoncini5159

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve never used a buffer before but I’m thinking a all in one

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterbertoncini5159 ok.. so a really user friendly AIO is Turtle wax ceramic polish an wax... works well. There is also the Rupes uno-protect that is very popular.. keep in mind they are not the most durable form of protection so after 24hr you want to top with something like the turtle wax ceramic spray coating or some form of spray sealant.

@peterbertoncini5159

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks papasmurf, all info is very appreciated. I bought the Adams graphen spray, for when the paint is ready. I noticed you use griots waxes as well. Guess it’s time to have fun when my polisher comes in. And I’ll definitely try the 5in plate as well. Thanks bro

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterbertoncini5159 not a problem my friend!! Keep me posted and if you have any other questions let me know! Yes, I do use griots products👍👍 they make great stuff!! Look into there BOSS creams. Very safe and they are awesome

Awesome video ....in your personal opinion. between this one and maxshine M15 pro series 2 wish one you think is better?

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! So since this video I've had the M15proII... AND picked up the m21pro.. love them. The m21 and 15 are both smoother.. no where near the heat generated either.. just swapped the grease out in both my units and have done quite a few jobs with em both. The g21 was nice with a foam pad.. that's it.

@ktpscleaningservices

3 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail I am also looking at the shinemate EX 620 5/15 ... Have you tried that 1 yet? Now I'm between the shine master and the shinemate And now I'm like which one should I choose 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

@@ktpscleaningservices I've heard GREAT things of the Shinemate polishers... Brian at Apex loves em... so does Sandro with CarCraft.. if I didn't have 30 polishers I'd probably go with shinemate 👍. I'm absolutely happy with my Maxshine polishers though. Can't complain 1 bit!

I'm ready to buy a 21 long throw polisher. Which one should I buy. I do about 15 cars in a year. Your opinion matter a lot to me. I discover your chanel and I'm watching many video that you made and I like what you say because you pay for what you get. It is not a free gift from a company. For me this is a big difference. Thank you for taking the time to read my comments.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

I'd highly look into the Shinemate ex620 21mm.. it's a great polishers.. I have the Maxshine m21pro and I absolutely love it. I think with any of those two you will be happy 👍 I appreciate you tuning in and supporting my channel 🤝

I picked the g8 polisher but looking for a 15mm one. What are some recommendations?

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love my G8👍🏻👍🏻 would recommend that any day! Look into the Maxshine M15 pro series II.. I have it and it's a great unit! Just need to swap out the Grease 👍🏻 there is always the Rupes mark III 15mm but hefty price tag!

@stant4972

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 thank you!! I’ll definitely check out the Maxshine 15. I looked into the rupes but yes definitely a hefty price tag for a weekend warrior haha

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

@@stant4972 haha agreed! I'm looking into maybe the M21 series II.. to Replace this G21. Maybe even a Rupes😲😲🤣🤣

@stant4972

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 haha you’ll definitely will have a killer arsenal to take on any job/car

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I'm hoping for!✊🏼✊🏼

Great video papa Smurf I'm happy with the g9 yes the griots finshing pad is a little jumping I usually have it on speed 3 anyway but I was going to get the g21 but I'm glad I picked g9 but in all that was very good information I finally got my griots catalog came yesterday 4weeks now I can get some goodies but yea great video thanks papa Smurf can't wait for 2nd video on it with 5inch pad have a great day buddy

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Robert!! Yeah I tried all speeds with these pads and although it's not as bad on 2 or 3 it's still uncomfortable.. I hope the 5" backplate takes care of it. Less pad, less rotational weight, hoping its smoother! Appreciate you watching my friend!👍🏻👍🏻✊🏼

Man I thought I’d get one of those before I bought another rupes. But it looks like it’s vibrating so much that you’re struggling to control we should just be able to do with a couple fingers

@PapaSmurf918Detail

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I wasn't too happy with the vibration at all. I love griots though. Can't have em all be winners. I still use the G9 and love it. Lol appreciate you taking the time to watch!

That’s why I went with the rupes mark 3 it’s a bit more expensive but it’s worth it it’s very Smoove

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely considered that Mark III.. but I found something to replace this G21 for now. If I detailed as a source of income I'd already have Rupes units👍🏻 lol. Appreciate you watching!!!

@XtremeproDetailers

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 I sold my g9 my old boss21 for $250 for both last week then I upgraded to the rupes .. also you’re welcome love the Channel

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Oh man that's awesome! How do you like the rupes?? Is it everything that everyone says it is?? And thanks man! Appreciate that!

@XtremeproDetailers

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 it’s like going from a Honda Civic to a Lamborghini

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

😯😯 ohhh boy.. Rupes saving jar just got created!!! Thanks man!👍🏻

I love mine the only thing that I don't like is the backing plate I paid 199 for mine. But the torq 5 in fits on it perfect

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah idk if this backplate is causing the vibration or what. But we will see once I get mine. I'm going to slap my maxshine bsckplate on just to see what happenes! Lol does yours get warm quickly?? My unit was very warm after just a few small sections. Appreciate you watching man!!

@joshuaspringer1116

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail yea a little bit. You should make a video on what backing plates fit on there and which ones don't did the maxshine fit on it?

@joshuaspringer1116

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail like the rupes lhr15 looks like it'll fit perfectly but idk if it will

Do u think the G15 will have the same Vibration as the G21

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not too sure my friend! I know they had some serious issues with there backplates but I didn't keep my G21 for long enough. Just didn't like the way it felt with cutting pads on there. Foam was ok however I wanted it to cut👍. No hard feelings with GriotsGarage cause I still use many many of there products. Can't win em all!

Did Griot actually fix the G9 problem and what was it in the first place?

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

The issue is with the cord, not the unit itself. And well I thought they did until my replacement units cord went bad after 4 corrections lol. BUT they may have fixed it by now haha.

@richsmith3120

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your honesty.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

No problem man!👍🏻

Great video smurf. Telling it like it is. Vibration no good. Hopefully the 5 inch backing plate will fix that but knowing it comes with a 6 inch and having to change bolts l, I don’t know. I don’t want to spend time putting on anything but a pad or microfiber.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jason!! That's why it's going back to GriotsGarage.. detailed image won't take it back. Or give me my money back. I'm pissed about that. Don't back the products you sell??? Wth! Now I'll have Griots credit of purchase price. Which I mean is ok I guess. I'll spend that quickly lol

@jaykid007

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 wow so GG is going to take it back even though DI sold it to you? That’s crazy. Well glad GG is going to give you your money back. So not going to get the 5 inch first after all?

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah GG is really cool for taking it back but they cant issue me a cash refund since I didn't purchase through them. Store credit lol. Nope 5 inch plate pushed back again for delivery/release date. I'm not waiting. Talking with Maxshine as we speak😁😁

@papasmurf918 how much do you want for the 6" backing plate? I want to buy it from you.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

The cost in shipping would probably pay for a new one haha. They are only 20 bucks I think. Plus, I'm not sure where it's at. Somewhere in the mist of a garage hahaha

@dattniggaoreog1185

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail where are you located city wise?

Rupes dodged a bullet after watching this video. I have to hand it to Griot's...without them releasing the first version of the Boss polishers, I'm not sure Rupes would have even considered releasing the MK3 with improved ergonomics. So kudos to Griot's for bringing some good old fashioned, free market competition to better the industry. Unfortunately, it looks like this new version isn't going to cause Rupes to react at all. I had some high hopes that the G21 price point would force Rupes to lower their's. Highly unlikely now

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Your right man.. I have a buddy who loves his old G21 and I wish I would have bought one lol.. rupes is safe!! Lol griots dropped the ball I think and rushed to quickly into releasing.. hope they go back to the drawing board!! Appreciate you watching man!! My m21pro is awesome 👌🏼

Do you still have that machine?? Is it still working pretty well?

@PapaSmurf918Detail

11 ай бұрын

Hey there. No I do not have this unit. I sent it back due to vibration and heat.. not a fan of the weighted center bolts for different pads as well. I now run the Shinemate ex 620 15mm unit. But, I do have the Griots G9 still and love it!

I don’t get it, why not try the other weight bolts to see if the vibration goes away? Now I have no idea do they help or not…

@PapaSmurf918Detail

2 жыл бұрын

I did. I'm pretty positive I mentioned it as well. The bolts didn't really make a difference. I really wish the 5 inch backplate wasn't back ordered so I could have tried that but I wasn't waiting months for it. If you never use microfiber pads, or urofiber.. anything aggressive then by all means it's good. Foam pads its very smooth. Does get pretty hot though. Since then have used my maxshine m21pro and loved it.. now using my Shinemate ex620 15mm and its awesome 👍

@BigBear--

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that was my bad. I commented before I watched the final thoughts at the end of the video. I am surprised however that you mentioned no difference at all with changing the weights. I was expecting at least somewhat of a perceivable difference. I had a chance to buy a new Griots Garage G15 on sale for like $197 before tax this weekend. However after watching this review I ended passing on it, as there’s basically no direct reviews of the new G15, only the G21. They do share a similar design…so I really hoped you made a follow up with the 5” backing plate, I searched ur channel, couldn’t find one. Did u ever end up trying the 5” backing pad?

@PapaSmurf918Detail

2 жыл бұрын

@BiG BeAR No worries man! Yeah I really wanted it to help.. but I just didn't see any difference with changing the bolts out... loved it with the foam pad... very smooth! But, since I'd mostly be doing cutting with it.. foam wasn't what I was going to be sticking too.. I didn't get to test it with the 5" plate unfortunately.. I bought this as SOON as it came out and they had issues with the backing plates coming apart so they back ordered them and I wouldn't see one for like 2 months at the time of this video... I couldn't just sit on the polisher and wait lol. I sent it back and went with the Maxshine M21proII... Which I liked a bit better. Definitely smoother with my microfiber and urofiber pads.

Right on, will wait for your 5"plate review when you get it! if you want to cut faster ,get a rotary with lamb wool pad.... cheaper &faster.... ;-)

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Dan, yes one day I'll acquire a rotory 😄😝 and I sure hope that the 5" backplate helps cause I don't wanna have to send it back! But I'll do what I gotta do! Appreciate you watching man!

@danmorrissette4814

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail once you will try the rotary with wool pad, less heat and faster cut, you will learn to appreciate it im sure! crossing fingers for the 5"plate!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I bet.. I've pulled the plug. Canceled my backplate cause even if I got the vibration down. The heat this thing generates is not going to fly with me. I can't imagine doing a full correction.. this thing would burn up

@danmorrissette4814

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail Might be defective unit, then again! i totally agree with You!

hi my friend did you prefer the new g21 or rupes mark3?

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

Hey bud! So I haven't held or had a chance to use a Rupes polisher but I can tell you I prefer the Maxshine M21proII over the G21👌

@garcia5986

3 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail what if i put a 6" backing plate on my new g15. Do you think it work?

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

It would work.. but you will like the 5" better I think. Although the G15 does have a LOT of torque so it would prob spin that 6" plate fairly easy. Just not as nimble as a 5" 👍

2 years later... How is the g21 holding up

@PapaSmurf918Detail

Жыл бұрын

Well, I wasn't really a fan. I sent it back after this video. To much vibration.. and heat. Ended up getting a maxshine m21pro and still use it! Much smoother. Also did a video on that ad well. Feel free to check it out if you want! 👍 thank you for taking the time to watch this video✊️✊️🤙

Honesty is always the best policy. Thank you for this email. I'll hold out for the Rupes.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Jody, agreed! No problem man. Always stay honest here👍🏻👍🏻 I'm looking into rupes as well.

@jp2421

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail I seriously put "Thank you for this email"!?! It's because I'm working my day job and replying at the same time. :D

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao!!! I totally knew what you ment man!😂😂 that's funny right there!!!

Great review man. I agree with you concerning the bolts. That's ridiculous with this being their new top of the line machine. It should not be getting hot just doing some test panels. I just picked up an M21, first series, from Maxshine on clearance for $147. It has done a great job and the price was right. Stay safe.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris!! Yes, pretty disappointed in this thing. Swapping different bolts for different pads??? Inconvenience for me. Top of line from Griots, not impressed to be honest.. I expected more. The older G21 I hear was an absolute fantastic machine... may be looking into that. Or like you the M21 but the Series II version.. to match my M15 series II😁 thanks for watching!!!!

That is so crazy... standing by for the 5 inch player as well. I agree all that switching out to me is nonsense. You pay all that money then your suppose to figure out which one works. Smh!!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Bee, unfortunately there will no 5 inch or further testing.. came to conclusion that even if I were to fix the vibration there is no way I'd put up with how hot the unit gets. Overall I wasn't happy. It's on it's way back to Griots. Yes, nonsense. This is there best unit??? Smh, disappointed man.

@beejay8719

4 жыл бұрын

Sound like a M21 is in the future 😁

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Lol. I may or may not have already purchased it😁🤣

@beejay8719

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail 🤣

How do you get so many corrections?? How do you get people to pay that much????? I’ve had like 3 correction jobs! But people don’t want to pay for that stuff

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Hank, to be honest most of the time they come from people who see details I do and how they look when I'm done and they contact me and say " can you do my car " I say sure what do you want done? " whatever you did to so and so's car, that thing looked amazing " LOL I then say well it will be this much... and they say " when can I bring it " 😂😂

@henryfreeman6113

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 oh lol 😂 well how much do you charge for a single stage correction??

@henryfreeman6113

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 the price always scares them away😡😭😭🤬🤯

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Anywhere from 400-600... and you just need to acquire a certain clientele.. those who care about there paint. Truth is 2 out of 10 people really give a crap. Those 8 people just hit the automated car wash like oh my car is clean what do you mean??😂😂 also, start posting up your corrections and before and after photos.. let people know what Hank can do for them!!!!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Trust me, I've had my fair share of people scared of price. That will always happen... know your worth bro!!!

damn thats disappointing! ya the screw swap will get super annoying during a detail, i can see how annoying that could be! great honest review my dude!!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man!!! Yeah definitely I can imagine it now doing a correction like oh ok let's swap pads, wait wait where is my black bolt! S**T lol. 😄 not gonna work for me. Overall just not happy. Spoke with Griots already and were nothing polite, as far as Detailed Image🤬 they wouldn't take it back to issue refund.. pissed bro. No doubt upset. Griots will be giving me a gift certificate for the amount paid. Which is still ok. I'm sure I'll spend that quick. Just bummed cause that could have went twords another polisher

@Mike_Spina

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail wow they wont give u ur money back???

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Nope, detailed image wont... I have to send it back to Griots for a credit 😑 I mean I'm not that mad but a little upset. I know I can spend that QUICK with griots... but, I wanted a polisher. Lol

Man, you sound like a kid who got gipped at Christmas. I feel for you. Swap out bolts? I'm going to go with no on that. Keep up the honest reviews. You'd think some of the issues you brought up would've been addressed in the R & D process. "It is what it is." 👍🏻

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

I know right man??? I was definitely let down on this. Even if the 5" backplate fixes the vibration the unit is way to warm for my liking.. I may end up sending this thing back and going a different route... either the older G21 unit or M21 or even considering a Rupes! Definitely think they rushed into these things and whoever there new " manufacturers " are definitely are on the cheaper end.

@catguy64

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 Not happy, yeah send it back.. 100% satisfaction guarantee. Great products, don't mind paying more and they stand behind their product(s).

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely is a route I may be going down.. just sucks cause I want a 21mm polisher hahaha. I have the money to buy another, which I'm already just considering cause I know it's going to be a process!

Interesting I was considering trading this for my Rupes Markiii 15 Machine. I’m not so sure now

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

You were going to trade your Rupes for a G21???

@AmirAbdullah

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 I was you want it ? Trade mine for yours ?

@AmirAbdullah

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 search Amir Abdullah on Facebook you’ll find me. The profile pic will be my two sons. One will be wearing a mask. Hit me up if you’re interested.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

I'll definitely let you know my friend!!!

@AmirAbdullah

4 жыл бұрын

PapaSmurf918 word up.

Best G21 review out there! Did you find less vibrations with the 5" backing plate?

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ryan! Unfortunately the backplate were months out on backorder due to complications so I said screw it and sent the unit back. Purchased the Maxshine M21pro II and been loving it man!!! Merry Christmas and happy new years my friend!! Oh and I did swap to a 5" plate on my m21 and love it🤝👍

@ryanw7950

3 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail Thanks for the reply! Merry Christmas and happy new year to you too! Can’t wait to see what 2021 brings!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanw7950 me too my friend!!!

Call them up, like Nick said to.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Already did!✊🏼✊🏼

As a professional detailer I agree with %100 when it comes to the review regarding the g21. #highendautodetailing #ronthedetailguy #autodetailing101

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend. I appreciate you watching.. just doesn't fit my world!!! 🤝

You spend your hard earned money and you want good performance, doesn’t sound like this machine really gives it! I wouldn’t be changing out bolts to use different pads, that’s kind of goofy. Appreciate the honest review, I’m sure you wanted to love it!

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I wanted to love this thing 😔 but it is what is right? Now time to decide where to go from here lol. Agree, goofy is right with swapping out weighted screws for different pads 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Do you have any idea what the heck is going on with the G21?? you are the only one I have seen who seems to have gotten the new one... Griots website keeps pushing out the date... Im actually pretty annoyed because I sold my original G21 to buy the new one, then it never materialized, which I would not have done, but I have never seen Griots drop the ball as badly as they appear to have done with the new G21, so I had no reason to not have faith in their original ship date... Im getting to the point where I need a pro device, I wanted this, but Griots customer service has become utterly worthless as of late with regards to the G21, Im to the point im about to go pay their competitor more

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

Its hard to say man! But, I think in my opinion they cut a bunch of corners with these new machines. G21/15 just cause you pack a huge motor in it doesn't mean I'll ignore the cons. I think with covid and getting certain parts for production is what's going on. Honestly, if your looking at a good machine check out the New Shinemate EX620 machine. It's been getting tons of great looks and it may be one I'll be picking up soon!

@dragonsystems5973

3 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918DetailOk, so I have a unit coming, should be here tomorrow, It is supposed to be the fixed, shall we say new G21 Rev. 2, ill let you know how it turns out, there does not appear to be any new video after yours so ill probably do some stuff on it

@PapaSmurf918Detail

3 жыл бұрын

@@dragonsystems5973 awesome man. Please do keep me updated 👍 appreciate you filling me in. Hope for the best with this unit!

This is gonna be a hard pass for me! Appreciate the upright honesty on this. I also wish it was a different color and style, Definitely Imo u shouldn't have to go through all this just to change the pad. Gonna explore the Maxshine M21 pro. Thanks for the expert advice and upfront honesty on the video papa Smurf.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

No problem man! I was definitely expecting a tad more! I agree, different color scheme would be nice. Feel like the price drop difference they must have cut corners somewhere ya know? I honestly almost bought the Maxshine m21 series II myself but really had some high Hope's for this unit. Oh well, can't win em all! I really hope the 5" backplate takes care of the vibration.. appreciate you watching man!!👍🏻🤝🏻

Eric, very through review, the first thing I keyed in on before you even started the demo was as you mentioned having to change out bolts for different pads, that would drive me pun intended "nuts". That's a deal breaker for me.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Jay, thank you! Yeah its definitely an inconvenience for me for sure. That was one of the deal breakers for me as well. Appreciate you watching my friend!!

I had to skip through this one. In my opinion your intro could have been a video by itself and then set a teaser for the next video being the use of the machine. I still got a lot of info from this video and it pretty much talked me into getting the Dewalt DA cordless buffer as my next buffer as long as I don't find out anything bad about that one too. I had to cancel my detail job for today. Temp outside reached 101. I need to buy a place that has an air conditioned garage.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks man! I always wondered if teasers would work!!! As far as building up suspense! Lol appreciate you watching and I hope your dewalt is a great machine. Man, 101 I don't blame you my friend... that's hot. And uncomfortable to detail in!!!!

Did you wear those shorts so you'd match the hood? 😉😜

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Precisely 😎😎😎

Seems like a foam pad polisher only, not good. Back to the drawing board.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Rich, definitely... it was very nice with the foam pad but that's not what I bought it for🤣 will most likely be returning and going different route

Just get the Rupes mk3 ;)

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

My pockets can't afford it lol. I have sometime on the way though 😁😁

I have no idea at all what pattern you were using, very arbitrary.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

What do you mean Carl? What pattern??

@57Carlibra

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail I mean, it doesn't appear you use a consistent speed nor pattern on the paint, for example, a cross-hatch pattern is typically used.

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Carl, I'm not going after any correcting methods here whatsoever.. this is not how I'd go about doing my normal polishing whatsoever. Lol simply just playing around and demonstrating the polisher.

Sounds like it sucks don't like changing bolts either

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

Has it's good and bad as every polisher will but it's not for me man. Will be returning.

That sucks Bout the bolts I can't do that with my business load

@PapaSmurf918Detail

4 жыл бұрын

I know right??? Like who has time to swap different bolts out when swapping pads?? Its an inconvenience for sure

@middlegaautomotivedetailin1350

4 жыл бұрын

@@PapaSmurf918Detail most definitely

Discontinued model is way better

@PapaSmurf918Detail

2 жыл бұрын

So I've heard! really wish I would have got me an older boss unit!!!!