Excellent teaching...It took an incredible study of Romans 9 to bring me to this understanding. I started with a church that taught replacement theology. Very sad, they were filled with alot of hate, especially towards Reformed Theology. Thank you for your incredible channel. God Bless you richly. 🌷

This explanation has dramatically helped my understanding of the nuances of this passage. Thank you both so much!

@markchristian787

3 жыл бұрын

No part of Scripture is nuanced. If we have any questions or doubts in it thats a limit of ourselves, not the text.

@SpotterVideo

2 жыл бұрын

Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the KZread video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church: “The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

Let the scriptures interpret the scriptures. Jeremiah 31:33 (KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. So the Israel that will be saved can only be the Israel that is currently in covenant with God through faith in Jesus Christ, the remission of sins and the keeping of the commandments of God.

@AProdigalSonReturned

2 ай бұрын

Romans 7 is often misunderstood because people don't follow references. If Paul references something, he isn't trying to make a totally separate point. Romans 7 points to Jeremiah 3 and that points to Deuteronomy 24. This explains how the House of Israel can return to the first Husband, even though she was divorced from God and turned to other gods. The Husband died to free her from "that" law, as it says in Romans 7. This is how all Israel can be saved there in Romans 11. Both houses (Judah and Israel) must come to God through Christ in the "new" Covenant as per Jeremiah 31. The house of Israel is sometimes called Ephraim, and Jacob blessed Ephraim by crossing his hands to give him the blessing of melo ha goyim (fullness of the gentiles/multitude of nations). It can be interpreted literally either way. All Israel are those that have the testimony of Yeshua, and keep the commandments of God. Revelation 12:17 [17]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Fulness of the Gentiles happened long ago in AD70. I agree with Calvin that all Israel refers to all believers, Jew or Gentiles.

@KrisS-i4y

2 күн бұрын

Precisely. The fullness of everything was complete before the Day of the LORD in 70 AD. I came to that conclusion long ago by the Holy Spirit teaching me.

Gentlemen, thank you for this study. It is helping me as I work through my Preterist view point.

Thanks for presenting your thoughts

May I present a 6th view (Maybe a variation of the 3rd): Israel in v. 25 is referring to the physical descendants. God sovereignly used their rejection of Christ to bring about His work at Calvary and the reconciliation of the world, which they too must accept in order to be reconciled, and become part of true Israel. So, after reading Romans 9 through 11, the whole topic lends to understanding "all Israel" in ch. 11 v. 26 as referring to any Israelites who do not persist in unbelief and are grafted in to Christ with all others who believe, both Jew and Gentile. It's the same way Paul has been saying from the start how God has not rejected them, using himself at that present time as an example of such a remnant. It's how all Israel is to be saved, through faith in Christ. There's no other way. All Israel has to come to Christ to be saved. How many of them there will ever be who do come to Christ is not actually in view.

@displacednaija

4 ай бұрын

The only Israel is those who believe on Jesus Christ and confess Him as Lord.

Isnt the new covenant made with Israel?

@displacednaija

4 ай бұрын

The Church is Israel of God

QUESTION: If Romans 11:26 says that 'all Israel will be saved,' and is interpreted as the country currently existing in the middle-east, HOW can Romans 9:27-29 say that only a 'Remnant' will be saved?

@donhaddix3770

5 ай бұрын

the remnant will become the Israel that finally accepts Jesus.

@pcjenkin

5 ай бұрын

@@donhaddix3770Proper interpretation of prophecy must include, 1) intended audience, or simply who is the Epistle addressed to. 2) geographical constraints, or what region does it specify, and 3) what temporal and time constraints that are given, or WHEN does the prophecy supposed to happen. I state the above because Paul the Apostle wrote the Book of Romans 2,000 years ago. The 'remnant' that he spoke of were the Jews, including himself, that accepted Jesus Christ. So how does a group of Ashkenazis whose ancestors adopted Talmudic Judaism in the 8th century as a middle-ground between European Christendom and the Islamic invaders RELEVANT today? Egypt calls itself 'Egypt.' Is it the same culture, religion, and/or people that existed 3,000 years ago? NO. Just because the colonial-settler movement created by Lord Balfour and the United Nations at the unction of Europe and the U.S. calls itself Israel, doesn't mean they ARE Israel. "But we should always thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God has CHOSEN YOU (Macedonian Gentiles) from the beginning to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth." 2 Thessalonians 2:13. "For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. AND IF YOU BELONG TO CHRIST, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE." Galatians 3:27-30. Don, you are listening to this 'witches brew' of Prosperity Gospel, Christian Nationalism, Zionism, and 'doomsday' nihilism all rolled into one heretical philosophy. Try instead to focus on "A Pure and Simple Devotion to Christ."

All Spiritual Israel, not national Israel.

@kevingomez8735

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Hosea 11:1

Led feldick said Jacobs name was changed to Israel after developing faith. Israel is symbolic of the children of faith. Just as the seed of abraham is Jew and gentle in a spiritual sense

Wow this is awesome!!! Thank you!!!

The nation of Israel we see today means nothing. Paul was writing in a different time period before old testament Israel was destroyed. Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

V 32 the all imprisoned unto sin is the same all that God shows mercy

but one sure thing is that we know that the only way to the Father is through the Son...trusting in Christ as Savior and Lord... So anyone from Israel has to take that step personally... I do not think God has changed His mind about how to come to Him and be saved. Love you guys... The Lord shines brighter and brighter and we do too.

@sexyeur

2 жыл бұрын

Did you pretend to get that from Romans 11? Are you special pleading for your insinuation that Israel is not so special? You're the one grafted in. Paul is telling you, YOU'RE not that special. Take it to heart, you who wouldn't know how to seek God in the first place were it not for Jews! Get out with your Mawkish humblebrag. It's disgusting.

16:17 5 views to interpreting 'all Israel' 1) all ethnic, no exception 2) all ethnic, no exception, living at a certain time, common to Dispensationalists. 3) all ethnic involved in a saving act of God, i.e., not all without exception, per the second view here. 4) all elect Israelites within the community of Israel; only the elect. 5) All Jews and Gentiles, both constituting the Israel of God.

@mkshffr4936

3 жыл бұрын

Having not finished listening I am going to go out on a limb and say #5 seems the most logical given the context. That is All Israel is the entire olive tree regardless of ethnicity.

@blackpatriot3

2 жыл бұрын

@@mkshffr4936 AMEN!!!

@jamesba-xd7xf

2 жыл бұрын

#5 is the correct answer, the gentiles getting saved and becoming a part of the olive tree is "all israel" as all israel are all jewish and gentile believers in Jesus. jews and gentiles who reject jesus reject God and are of the devil, they are NOT any part of israel. the "mystery" was that God was going to make believing gentiles a part of israel.. the end result of dispensationalism is to reject Jesus and convert to judaism.

Reformed Forum *WHAT IS ANTI-SEMITISM?* I've heard so many different opinions. Some attack criticism of physical Jewish lineage. The Bible says a TRUE JEW is a Christian (Rom 2:29) which is contrary to the way I think you're using it. So I think it sows confusion and is anti-biblical, but I can be corrected.

@KrisS-i4y

2 күн бұрын

One thing for sure is that those THINGS calling themselves Jews are NOT Semites. Ashkenaz was the grandson of Japeth making him and his offspring Japethites.

Paul is the Benjamin wolf. Just look at the OT, what Jesus, Peter, John, and James said.

'Fullness' of gentiles is not depicted here as numerical, as the 'full number' of every single elect person, ('full number' - is same hermeneutical error as dispensationalist) correct interpretation would be 'fullness' as 'qualitative' meaning fullness of inclusion into the body of believers.

I have read DR CORNELIS VENEMA'S JOURNAL.. VERY CLEAR AND VERY HELPFUL

Jesus = ISRAEL. If we are in Him we are Israel as well as His Body. The Church is Israel. But that ain't no replacement. On the contrary. The first Christians were JEWS and the Nations have been showed the Light of the Jews.

@uwekonnigsstaddt524

5 жыл бұрын

Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, not Israel itself. The Groom and the Bride are 2 different people in one common venture. The first believers were that, BELIEVERS not Christians. That term, used nastily by the belligerents, is used only twice in the NT. Jews of today who happen to believe that Yeshua is the Messiah, prefer the term Messianic Jew and not Christian.

@amsterdamG2G

3 жыл бұрын

@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 JESUS/YESHUA IS........He IS everything

@khaccanhle1930

2 жыл бұрын

@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 why is it that after Hebrews 11, the writer describes all believers in Christ as already having come to the Heavenly City? The writer was not in any way talking about physical Israel, nor physical Jerusalem. He was talking about the people coming to a belief in Jesus the Messiah. Not just the Messiah for the physical Jewish people, but for the entire world. On him all the law and the prophets hang, not physical Israel. All the promises and Prophecies of scripture are yes and amen through Christ, not through physical Israel. Read Galatians about Hagar and the physical Mountain being set aside for the true spiritual children and the true spiritual Mountain who is Christ. Any Reliance on the flesh is referred to by the writers of the Epistles as false hope and vainglory. Which is probably why the gospel is referred to as offensive to the Jewish people, because it basically tells them, "your ethnicity really does not give you a special "in" with God nor a special place in his New Covenant." Why do you think Christ said that he could raise children of Abraham out of the Rocks surrounding him?

@redfrozenseven

2 жыл бұрын

@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 “He said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will display my splendor.”” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:3‬ ‭NIV‬‬ “And now the Lord says- he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord and my God has been my strength-” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:5‬ ‭NIV‬‬ Israel (Jesus) will bring back Jacob?

@fridge3489

6 ай бұрын

Indeed.

Those who quote the text in this manner have corrupted the Word of God, by leaving out the word "so". Dispensational Claim: God will go back and deal with Israel after the “times of the Gentiles” is completed. The “times of the Gentiles” is referred to in Luke 21:24, and Romans 11:25, and eluded to indirectly in Acts 28:28. When does the time of the Gentiles come to fullness based on the words of Christ below? Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of Luke 21:24 is about the destruction of Jerusalem during 70 AD. The times of the Gentiles are fulfilled after that event. Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Based on the words of Christ found above, the “times of the Gentiles” comes to fullness at the future Second Coming of Christ. This fact kills the Dispensational claim found above. Some claim the times of the Gentiles ended during 1948 when the modern State of Israel came into being. What does Paul say below about the times of the Gentiles? Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Did the spiritual blindness of all the Israelites end during 1948? No. Claim: Romans 11 proves National Israel will be saved in the future. I have heard both John MacArthur, and John Hagee make the following statement… “And then all Israel will be saved.” (Also found on page 349 of the book “Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty” by the Jesuit, Manuel Lacunza “Ben Ezra”.) Both MacArthur, and Hagee, are selectively quoting from the verse below in an attempt to make Dispensational Theology work. Have they changed the meaning of the verse? Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. These men have changed the word “so”, which is an adverb of manner, into the word “then”, which is an adverb of timing. What is the “manner” of salvation in the passage? It is in the preceding verses found below. Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? In Romans chapter 11 the Apostle Paul uses the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church, made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles, grafted together into the same tree. In the two verses above the unbelievers can be grafted back into the tree through faith in Christ. Paul provides no path to salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in the passage. Is the “covenant” in verse 27 a future covenant with the modern State of Israel, or is it the New Covenant fulfilled for all races of people by the blood of Christ at Calvary? In order to answer this question we need to know who is “Israel”, as defined by Paul, earlier in the same letter to the Romans. What did Paul say below about “Israel” in Romans chapter 9? Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: (All Israelites are not a part of faithful Israel.) Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. (Being a physical Israelite does not make a person a part of Israel of the promise.) Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: (Only a “remnant” of Israelites shall be saved.) Based on the verses above from Romans 9 Paul was describing the “manner” of how Israelites would be saved in Romans 11:26, instead of the timing of their salvation. The verse below is also often used by Dispensationalists in an attempt to make their doctrine work. Dispensationalists often insist an Israelite can be an enemy of God, and the elect at the same time. Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. Throughout Romans chapter 11 the Apostle Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites, one faithful, and one not faithful. Paul begins the chapter this way is Romans 11:1-5, by describing the Israelites who were Baal worshippers, in contrast to the faithful “remnant”, during the time of Elijah. Paul said there was also a faithful “remnant” during his time. Therefore, based on Romans 11:1-5, there are two different groups of Israelites in Romans 11:28. The Israelites who rejected Christ were the “they” who are the enemies of God, while the group of “they” who accepted Christ are the “election”. Paul ends the passage in the same way that he began the passage, with two different groups of Israelites. Claim: God has blinded Israel during the “Church Age”. This claim also comes from Romans 11. Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Have all of the Israelites been “partially” blinded, as Dispensationalists infer, or has part of Israel been blinded, and part of Israel has not been blinded? The answer is found in the “remnant” of Romans 11:5. The only way to make Romans 11 match the Dispesationalists doctrine is by changing words in the passage, and by ignoring the earlier context of the passage, and by ignoring who is “Israel” in Romans 9.

@johncalvino4508

3 жыл бұрын

True jews.. The church. Rom2:24-28 Eph.2:11-22

@SpotterVideo

3 жыл бұрын

@@johncalvino4508 James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith" in James 1:1-3.

@johncalvino4508

3 жыл бұрын

@@SpotterVideo Acts 2 Acts 8 Acts 10 Acts 19 (One baptism) 4 PEOPLE GROUPS EXPERIENCED PENTECOST EVENTS.

@johncalvino4508

3 жыл бұрын

WHAT IS YOUR STAND TO IT? PRE OR POST MILL?

@SpotterVideo

3 жыл бұрын

@@johncalvino4508 Millennium Questions: Does your interpretation agree with all other scripture? Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on the earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will Christ conduct funeral services for mortals killed in accidents many years after His Second Coming? Does an angel with a key open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2? Why does the angel unlock the pit if it was not locked previously? Who is the king of the angels in the bottomless pit found in Revelation 9:11? Are some of the angels “bound” in some manner in Revelation 9:14? If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation chapter 11, where is the beast now? Is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20 the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation? (See the bodily resurrection of the two witnesses in Rev. chapter 11.) Are there two different types of resurrections in John chapter 5? John 5:24 (Spiritual) John 5:27-30 The bodily resurrection and judgment of “all” the dead. Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24. Who is the “strong man” who is bound in Matthew 12:26-29? How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46 ? What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21? Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return? Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15? Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our “mother” in Galatians 4:24-31? Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10. How would mortals survive this fire? Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20? Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1? When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18? What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:1-16? Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones? What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief, in 2 Peter 3:1-13? Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation?

Thank you for this video

Literal Israel in 11:1 is literal Israel in v. 26. All fair exegesis will confirm it; allegorical interpretation will deny; traditional interpretation from Medieval High churches that persecuted Jews for hundreds of years will deny it. All Israel will be saved. The Lord has done this.

Oh, i think I just figured out your system of theology [at least in a few areas]. It's called hammer to fit and paint to match. Some of it takes a lot of caulk and filler to get a decent looking end product especially with Romans 9-11. "Literal" might be a good word to consider

@tube4birdo1

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment was such a RELIEF Your humor got right to the point of this pointless confusion. I don't think that God is "clever" or One Who teases us with ambiguity. If He says ALL He means ALL not "some"...if He says "Israel" He means Israel not the Church or some smoothie concoction of this and that. I have wondered what the Millennium is even for. After you get through all the natural, supernatural, and Antichrist executions who is left to rule over in the Millennium?....How about ALL ISRAEL that God will bring up from their graves, put his Spirit in and return to the Land as Ezekiel 37 prophesies to fulfill this promise in Romans. What a relief when you let God's word be God's word without the private interpretation that He warns us about in the books of Peter. Maybe God left this mass resurrection of Jews from scripture so that his CHOSEN People would not take a "do what you please we have a second chance coming" attitude. He know our hearts. Great comment Bob...I may use it in my book if you allow me....Phil

What is salvation anyhow? To be saved one must not only believe in Christ but also be his child walking as he walked. Jesus did no sin and that means that he kept all of the law just like Israel has always been taught, but in this new covenant we now have his Spirit and his word (law) the law was given through Moses but grace (Spirit) and truth (the law) came from Jesus Christ.

How long have these videos been coming out?

@jgeph2.4

3 жыл бұрын

Their Podcast Vos group goes back to 2013 , not sure how long the videos of the podcast have been available

Paul never said that all weren't saved. He just said that some are saved. No designated time of salvation was mentioned, nor were their any exclusionary statements by Paul, so YES, "all of Israel..." is the whole world. "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL unto me." John 12:32

1:03:40 Some people say that but I am not convinced the Lord did not know. At least sicne he is now in Heaven He knows very well. But I think we can make a case that Jesus knew the hour but made a theological point.

Thank you for this message. To be an amillennialist is to believe that Satan is bound and there is no demonic activity on the earth today. If that is the case, can you pinpoint the time in the past when Revelation 12 occurred? Blessings in Christ

@classicchristianliterature

3 жыл бұрын

I am amillenial. We do not believe that Satan is not active today. We believe he is bound in the sense that Rev 20 explains his binding “that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.” This does not mean he does not deceive individuals, it means he does not lead a united charge of all the nations against God’s people at this time. One day he will, this is the little season of increased persecution/tribulation just prior to Christ’s return when the antiChrist is revealed and does lead a united front of the nations against God’s people. At this time God will destroy all His enemies in a final battle at the second coming. We know that his binding accomplishes this purpose (not being able to gather all the nations in a united effort against God’s people) because when the binding is removed this is what the text says will occur - Revelation 20:7-8 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, [8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

@classicchristianliterature

3 жыл бұрын

What specific part of revelation 12 are you referring to? In my opinion (and the opinion of Beale, Hendrickson, Johnson - all amillenial) this chapter covers all of redemptive history. The serpent has always sought the seed from the days of Adam’s deception in the garden, to Cain killing Abel, to Pharaoh killing the Jewish infants, to the captivity of Israel, to Herod killing the Jewish infants, to the temptation of Christ in the wilderness…etc. The dragon is at war with God’s people and will be until the last day as our God keeps us in the midst of tribulation and persecution.

@khaccanhle1930

2 жыл бұрын

Really? Actually, I never understood this passage (Rev 12) when I was a Dispensational thinker. It refers to the broad story of the faithful believers and their story as Christ was brought into the world. Mary, and her generation were waiting for the arrival of Messiah. The dragon refers to the various powers used by Satan to stop the victory of Christ, like Herod, Rome, the Jewish leaders. The woman running into the wilderness is the Jewish believers who escaped Judah during the revolt, and the land swallowing the river is how the wrath of Nero was turned from the believers onto the Jewish nation. The dragon making war on the rest of her Offspring, is predicting the subsequent multiple persecutions by the Roman Empire against the Gentile Believers as well. The chapter made loads more sense after I took a Preterist perspective, an amill guy showed this to me a few years back.

@fe8199

2 жыл бұрын

@@khaccanhle1930 I'd love to walk through the book of Revelation with you. I agree with you. Just need someone to walk me through some of the details

@aioniansage6081

2 жыл бұрын

@@khaccanhle1930 Mary ?

A question: how can Sunday keeping, pork eating Christians make Jews jealous? Maybe if we acknowledged the Biblical Decalogue and clean food laws, and demonstrated agape love for the sake of their ancestors we would have a chance to make them jealous. Also Christians need to realized that the God of Israel of the "Old Testament" was Jesus. Regarding the Sabbath, i believe that in the Presbyterian confession of faith it is written that the Decalogue is binding on Christians. so why keep Sunday, when it a day without God given sanctity. The Seventh Day rest has intrinsic God given sanctity, see Gen 2:3. Rest on the Seventh Day is as necessary for the well being of all humanity as is sleep. I

Man, love the Jazz intro!

Excellent...

Who is "all Israel"? All Believers from all time, of course. Paul says that all believers are "fellow citizens" (Eph. 2:19) of the "citizenry of Israel" (Eph. 2:12). Rev. 12, the "woman clothed with the sun, moon under her feet, crown of twelve stars" represents OT Israel (cf. Gen. 37:9-11, from whence the imagery comes). The "woman" (Israel; the church of the OT) brings forth the male child (Messiah). Then, He ascends to His throne in heaven (cf. Acts 1:9-11). The "woman" flees into the wilderness for 1,260 YEARS, which didn't commence until after the fall of the Roman Empire. This is the Church/Israel during the 1,260 YEAR reign of Antichrist ("little horn," Dan. 7; the "sea beast," Rev. 13:1-10). It's the same woman: Israel/Church before the Messiah's 1st Advent; and Israel/Church after it. Conclusion: All believers make up the "Israel of God," whether Jew or Gentile. *Historic Reformation writers on Bible prophecy knew to use the day=year principle when interpreting the Apocalyptic books of Daniel and Revelation. Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

Coming from the amill view I am utterly surprised to hear that it is a subcategory of post mill view. How is this so some amill see the 1,000 years as the whole church age of those reigning above I'm heaven.

@johncollins6755

3 жыл бұрын

...Not merely that...but knowing Peter says "a thousand years is as a day, day as a thousand years"...means that there is no passage of time, it does not exist, in the Eternal realm...there is no measure of it. So, the 1000 year reign, is given as an expression of the passage of "time" for the natural/earthly/mortal realm...as a segment of time between the First Advent and the Second Advent.... As you look at that passage, it is speaking of "eternal" believers...it has nothing to do with this natural world...great misconception by the "dispen's"... The kingdom of Christ...NEVER ENDS...so how does it end up being 1000 years long...if that is the case... I have even heard those say that those who are Amill, are either preterists or partial preterists...neither being the case with me... I have found that many of the beliefs...share...given perspectives...but they, at some point, disagree with the other "points", regarding theology... I do not understand how Amill can be a subcategory of Post mill...no more than it can be a subcategory of Preterism or Partial Preterism... Amill has it foundation in the writings of the scriptures, of the clear teachings of Paul and the correlation to the accounts given in the gospels... It is good to know that there are other "Amills" that are out there....our perspectives goes back to the days of the Apostles... Bless

@redfrozenseven

2 жыл бұрын

This is because he comes back after the millenium. Amil was known as postmill until the early 1900s which is why a Dispy friend of mine always calls me a 1920s postmill 😆😆😆

@augsburgbiblechannel9246

2 жыл бұрын

@@redfrozenseven Ya I shouldn't have been suprised by that comment. Nonetheless we Amills are special :-) and should be in a category all to ourselves.

KJV says they did fall…

16:24: five views

So in minute 1:03 it was said that Paul saw the "wave" like ministry going back and forth from the gentiles to the Jews and so all or the fullness of Israel is being saved...so then what is the partial hardening about? I don't think that there is going to be this mass Jewish conversion right before Jesus returns myself. I think I mostly agree with ya'll about the timing.

@CamJamROC

Жыл бұрын

So as the topic is the status of ethnic Jews in light of Gentile inclusion, I think it's a "partial" hardening because it's *not* a full/"final" hardening with no hope for Jews any longer. Some Jews will indeed remain hardened in faithlessness, but others that are hardened *will* come to faith by the "Sanctified FOMO" they experience, as the Gospel of Jesus the Messiah (who is ethnically Jewish!, I think a factor in that "FOMO") is being spread to the Gentiles across the nations.

@tomtemple69

8 ай бұрын

its not partial hardening as in they are all hardened a percentage the actual translation means that part of Israel was hardened until the fullness of the gentiles came in (Petencost, the tongues signify that the fullness/every nation of the Gentiles) 28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. the Jews rejected the gospel, they are enemies for our sake if the Jews were not enemies of the gospel, they would not have crucified Jesus and the Gentiles would not be brought in Romans 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

@KrisS-i4y

2 күн бұрын

Paul was an anti-Christ. Jesus warned you about him. Jesus returned in 70 AD.

All Israel can only mean ethic Israel because of v 28

All you have to do is ASK God what He means. Geez, round and around and around they go trying to figure it out. Jesus said that you have no need to that any man should teach you that the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth.

Reformed Forum *A JEW IS NEVER CALLED OR CONSIDERED A GENTILE, ONLY THE NORTHER TRIBES (Ephraim's descendants) BECAME GENTILES:* Gen 48:19 "........his seed (EPHRAIM'S) shall become a fullness of the nations." (NOT JEWS)

@AProdigalSonReturned

2 ай бұрын

Also, "gentiles" is a descriptor most of the time. Ephesians 2 tells us that we were gentiles before we had God, but now through Jesus we have joined with Israel (as a whole).

Could you guys maybe address the Oliphint controvery ? Thanks

@Bewareofthewolves

5 жыл бұрын

What happened?

@lalumierehuguenote

5 жыл бұрын

@@Bewareofthewolves Well if you go the website (reformedforum) you'll see a note by our dear friend about the controversy. Let us pray that things get better and clearer !

l thought the elect would be as the sands of the seashore. p don't think we have reached that yet!! 🙂

@KrisS-i4y

2 күн бұрын

There is NO "end" Of the increase of His Kingdom there shall be no end.The "end" was the end of the old covenant.

I had no idea that guy was from Keele's church. I will certainly be praying for them. Another excellent discussion guys.

@rosemerrynmcmillan1611

Жыл бұрын

I would like to know how long the gunmen was a member of Keeles Church and his history(?) The Zionists are very keen to push their viewpoint and I have my suspicions about once again ' a lone gunmen'. This incident appears to be aimed at politicizing the Presbyterian Churches stance on 'Israel' or the recent modern 'Israeli State'. Zionism, both Jewish and Christian wish to push their agenda and narrative that the forming of the modern state of Israel is part of a 'divine timeline' . Presbyterians holding to the original Reformed view dismiss this notion as being entirely unscriptural. Jesus said to the Jews "The Kingdom shall be TAKEN FROM YOU and GIVEN TO A NATION BRINGING FORTH THE FRUITS". Nowhere in scripture does it say anywhere the Jewish nation shall reform literally but it DOES SAY the Dispersed Lost Tribes of Israel will be regathered under Christ in the New Covenant and be redeemed fulfilling all the promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the 12 Tribes of Israel.. Only one people have fulfilled those promises in the last 2000 years of the Kingdom of God being established on the earth by Christ at the time of his Crucifixion and Resurrection in 30AD and they are the Western Protestant Christian Nations of the world. FACT.

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in rom 9-11, israel is not always the same

Very good, God's smaller plan is to save Israel to be his holy Priesthood. Now why does God need a holy Priesthood? Just as God worked through the Jews to call Israel amongst the Gentiles, so will he work through his holy Priesthood in the New Earth to save the rest of his creation which includes the remnant Jews that he did not call. 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 God is so much more gooder than people can wrap their minds around.

@SinnerSavedbyGrace

9 ай бұрын

kzread.infoiMm0Ay40kCw John Piper about that topic

@rdaleyj1

9 ай бұрын

Why can't I see any reply??? What kind of censorship is going on here?????

If you take all Israel to be saved as all Jews being saved, then you also have to admit that God will have respect of persons, because sooooo many blood born Jews have already died in their sins without faith in Jesus Christ and cannot be saved on judgment Day. The Israel to be saved are spiritual Israel only because spiritual Israel who were called from the foundations of the world to inherit eternal life which are comprised of both Jews and Gentiles. Not the Israel born after the flesh, they cannot be saved because millions and millions have already died outside of Christ and now tell me how they can biblically be saved.

Limited atonement, partiality, or any kind of unbalanced scale of justice is nowhere found in the character of God's nature. Worship me or I'll torture you forever!

@oscarcoronel3021

3 жыл бұрын

The bible speaks about torment, not torture. Big difference.

@jasonegeland1446

3 жыл бұрын

@@oscarcoronel3021 True, depending on one's understanding. Torment in the Greek form means to evaluate the quality of gold or silver. According my understanding from Scripture, if God says he is going to save the whole world, then I also believe that this verse sums it up nicely when referencing the lake of fire and brimstone (that contains healing qualities all around): "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." 1 Corinthians 3:15. Unfortunately when we read "eternal fire", most are not aware that that word was a HUGE translation error and not meant to signify an endless state. I know that Augustine was translating the word Aionios into Greek from Latin which were considered to be very difficult to do so accurately. As for the TORTURE, well, that's basically what a literal place of endless conscious suffering would entail. Whether it's an actual being or entity of some sort inflicting the pain, then yes, in a very real sense, TORTURE would be a reasonable definition. There would be no point in that, though. I don't believe that was God's purpose to create a place for people to suffer without end if they didn't follow him. Ludicrous.

@oscarcoronel3021

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonegeland1446 thanks for your reply

@jasonegeland1446

3 жыл бұрын

@@oscarcoronel3021 God bless!

@amsterdamG2G

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonegeland1446 God does not think like you and me. God is righteous. You are not and neither am i.....the wicked shall be destroyed. But the humble shall live by the grace of JESUS

Hebrews 11, the famous/infamous coin with 2 theological sides. I’d suggest the beloved brothers and sisters in Yeshua at the Reformed Forum to read Dr. Arnold Genekowitsch Fruchtenbaum’s (a Messianic Jew, believer in Yeshua) book called “Israelology: The Missing Link in Systematic Theology” Also, you need to get in contact with Amir Tsarfati, another Messianic Jewish believer (believing Jews prefer to use the term Messianic Jew). By the way, celebrating the 500th anniversary of the Reformation failed to include Martin Luther’s anti-Semitic posture. Can’t erase it from history by ignoring it.

@khaccanhle1930

2 жыл бұрын

Let's not ignore the historic Antichrist attitude of most Jewish people either. Let's also not ignore that the early church was Jewish, but it was also persecuted by the unbelieving Jews for 40 years. Yes, Luther had a negative hostile attitude to the Jewish people. But is that worse than many Jews having a Blasphemous hostile attitude to the son of God? Which view came first? Even today, the religion which is most hostile to Christ is not Islam, not Buddhism, not Hinduism, it's the current rabbinical Judaism. Don't try to deny that, nor sweep that under the carpet. By the way, that star of David comes from Babylonian occultic mystery religion, the original symbol of the Jewish people was the menorah.

Saying "Israel" must be national Israel in vs 26 because it's national Israel in vs 25, is disregarding Paul's whole reasoning. It's like saying that "Israel" and "Israel" in Rom 9 6 must have the same meaning.

@sexyeur

2 жыл бұрын

Who did the hardening of v25 apply to that it shouldn't be the same that's mentioned in the same thought? V26 continues 25. Romans 9:6 only underscores the same understanding that there are unbelievers. Romans 11 tells you God doesn't intend to leave them behind. You don't have a case.

@contemplate-Matt.G

2 жыл бұрын

@@sexyeur "and so" in the Greek means "in this manner". Ask yourself...in what manner will "all Israel" be saved if not all Israel is "Israel"

They are wrong. Israel is the nation in v. 7 and 11. That is indisputable. Every Jew will be saved at Armageddon. This is why Paul says Christ will banish ungodliness from Jacob because every Jew will be saved in the millennium

ephraim being more numerous (double fruitful), being counted WITH those from the gentiles saved because of the dispersion of the israelites... those who call themselves jews AND being jews (being of judah not by adoption but in the flesh) will come to faith later on so as to end their twisted national pride (the kind of holier than thou messianic attitude) in being somehow "better" than the foolish people they despise. read Hos 1:10 and Deut 32:21. but you should also remember that not everyone who call themselves christians/jews are really inner jews (judah name meaning... praise be to god/yah). there are those who want themselves to be praised and also have dominion over the church/state so the phrase "those who call themselves jews" is a double edged sword. it's the eagle with 2-3 heads, as in heraldry the 2 heads represent power of (over) church and state or east and west. but in the apocalypse of ezra the eagle has 3 heads, as to be compounded over 3 parts of the earth. also be sure to remember that the tribe of dan who was not interested in truth but in having power/dominion went on ships in search for their own benefit and their trace is lost but could be all over the world and we are not expected to identify them by genealogies etc. but see this hidden dan as being a way of life: the way of the merchant (ships - Pro 30:19), conquering the world by trade and covert means rather than open combat (preferring black/false flag tactics). it is because of this reason that the tribe of dan is not in the 144000, even though ephraim (not in his own name but in joseph). so, dan comes to mean people who may even not know that they are from dan (by blood - genealogy). atheists attack the horse (spirit) so that the rider may fall. dan promotes apostasy because of their motivation to divide and conquer and because of this reason the world stands on the brink of self destruction, because if there is no true law giver then the law will be - the sin being in being caught, you sin against yourself by being caught.

Well, what's the point in God creating people (that no one chose of their own free will), only to know their future and then allow them to drown because they freely chose not to wear a life jacket. Even though we were all made by God (all his children), and he was pleased, by him creating us, he placed us in direct path of danger, subjecting us to the possibility of endless conscious torment. I do not believe any father or parent of any kind would do anything like this willingly. Most people believe that Jesus only managed to save a small handful of the world, rather than all people. It's as though God has the complete power to save everyone, but chooses not to. I'll never get why anyone could agree with such nonsense. Lastly, how would anyone be able to say no to God? They wouldn't!

@RottenDoctorGonzo

2 жыл бұрын

Love needs to be freely chosen.

@matthewsouthwell3500

5 ай бұрын

This video is about Romans 11. Your argument is with Romans 9.