Al Fadi interviews Jay on NEW & DAMAGING RESEARCH on Muhammad's Existence (pt.2)
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Jay began this 2nd part of his talk with Al fadi by delving into the controversies surrounding Muhammad's existence in the 7th century. He, and Al Fadi have both been looking at the name MHMD with Mel from Ireland, who has been cooperating with the European scholar A.J. Deuce.
It would be good to remind ourselves that in ancient Hebrew and Arabic there are no written vowels, so that this name would have been written with only the four consonants MHMD during the 7th century.
Jay, employing Mel's arguments, began by stating that the name 'MHMD' in the 7th century was in fact just a title, and a popular one as well.
This title was first introduced in Ugaritic in 1400 BC as a title which meant: "The Praised One", or "The glorified One".
In 1000 BC it was used in the Hebrew Bible to refer to Solomon as "Altogether Lovely" in Song of Solomon 5:16, and this same name used 10 other times throughout the Old Testament, so it was a familiar title for the Jews.
In 397 AD Saint Ambrose took that same title MHMD and in Syriac used it to refer to Jesus Christ Himself, as the "praised one". From the 4th century on it was used by Syriac speaking Christians to refer to Jesus.
By the 7th century this title MHMD was employed by the Jews to refer to the Messiah who was yet to come, and by the Christians to refer to the 2nd coming Messiah, Jesus Christ.
Yet, there were numerous times that this name or title was employed by Christians in the 7th century? Were they not all referring to the Muhammad of Arabia, the Muslim Muhammad?
The answer is that there are really only 5 instances where Christians used this title. Let's look at each individually:
1) 634 AD: Thomas the Presbyter states that "a battle happened between the Romans and the ‘Tayaye d-Mhmt’ in Gaza". Note that the spelling "Mhmt" is a Pahlavi spelling, from what is today Iraq, and the Tayaye were Lakhmids who were also from Iraq. But they were fighting in Gaza. The Muslim Muhammad never went to Gaza and didn't come from Iraq. So, this was another Muhammad.
2) 636 AD: A flyleaf refers to the “Arabs of "Mhmd” who killed many Syrians in Yarmuk" (or Gabitha). In the 7th century the Arabs all lived in what is today Jordan and Syria, while the Muslim Muhammad never killed any Syrians and certainly never went to Yarmuk which is too far north, in Syria.
3) 660s AD: Sebeos refers to “an Ishmaelite called Mahmet…who fought with 12,000 Israelites”. There is no record of 12,000 Arabs partnering with Jews and invading Byzantium in the 7th century, so what Sebeos wrote is simply not historical.
4) 690 AD: John bar Penkaye mentions “Muhammad…teacher/leader of the Arabs”. This is the first real good reference, but much too late, and still too far north, while there are nothing about Islam here, or of him being a Muslim.
5) 730 AD: John of Damascus refers to ”Mahmed, with ludicrous doctrines…” But then mentions that this Muhammad had 4 books, including the book of the cow (S.2), the women (S.4), the table (S.5), & the camel (S. nothing). This Muhammad is called an "Ishmaelite" by John, and his four books are not the Qur'an of today, suggesting that even as late as 100 years after the Muslim Muhammad died, this Muhammad is not the right one.
In conclusion, we note that every reference to a "Muhammad in the 7th century" places him in Gaza, or in Jerusalem, or Damascus, or even in Hira (near Baghdad), which are ALL situated too far north, so, more-than-likely are referring to other Muhammads, who were “the praised one”, and possibly even Jesus Christ.
Jay then was confronted live by a certain well known Muslim blogger named Farid who said Jay had been defeated by Mansur Ahmed, so Jay described what really did happen between he and Mansur Ahmed in a the debate they had on May 26th, 2019, at Speaker’s Corner.
Mansur claimed that the "Muslims had a continual Textual Tradition of a complete Qur’anic Manuscript back to Uthman", from 652 AD. Yet, when Jay challenged him to name one manuscript of this early Qur'an he could not name one from 652 AD, nor from 699 AD, nor even from before 721 AD, which is well into the 8th century.
When he claimed that Muslims had 97% of the Qur'an by 719 AD, Jay shut that down by showing that he was only referring to 63 fragments which they put together to get the 97% they needed. Yet, what they didn't know was of the 63 fragments they offered, 20 of them are tentatively dated, with disagreements between scholars, 9 of them are dated after 719 AD, and 34 of them; thus, over half of them, we have no way of knowing…so, it’s pure speculation by the Muslims!
In conclusion: None of the 63 fragments are really valid, since all of them are either too late, or tentatively dated, or have no supporting evidence!
As to the early Traditional writings, Jay stated that in a few weeks he was going to shut down that argument completely, so hold this space!
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And the walls came tumbling down. The truth will always come out.
💫🕊🌟🙏🙏🙏🇮🇩🇮🇱 Thank you Mr Jay Smith, we are Christian community from Indonesia, we are grateful to you. God bless U, and Al Fadi, and your team...... ✨🌾
@edoboleyn
3 ай бұрын
Terima kasih banyak from the USA. ☺️ 🙏 🇮🇱♥️🇮🇩♥️🇺🇸
@quackk4605
3 ай бұрын
Just wanted to send my prayers to you and all the brethren in Indonesia , respect from Australia.
@nanii414
3 ай бұрын
Stay strong in the faith!
@PodaKalidoka
2 ай бұрын
Jesus wasn't mentioned either, only decades later by greek speaking men and they didn't even put a name on the writings. the gospels are anonymous writings. the names are added to it at a later date. 😄
@kayuzx510
2 ай бұрын
do u know orgine of christinaty ???
Even with lies, islam STILL dies.
@cainblue448
3 ай бұрын
I think I like this version better, everyone should upgrade to it.
@scottmcloughlin4371
3 ай бұрын
This useless academic is babbling nonsense propaganda. Look at a map. The first Christian kingdom was in Ethiopia (Aksum). That's credible mainstream history anyone can (everyone should) read online. Find Ethiopia on a map. There were Christians and Jews all over Arabia and other lands around the Red Sea (a major trade route). American academics babble pure nonsense to uneducated fools. I studied Philosophy and History of Science at Harvard. I'm not guessing. @@cainblue448
@bugzyhardrada3168
3 ай бұрын
This literally applies to all the abrahamic theologies and all religions ffs.
@nashbullet3213
3 ай бұрын
@@bugzyhardrada3168Keep telling yourself that
@bugzyhardrada3168
3 ай бұрын
@@nashbullet3213 lol, I don't have to, it's literally been proven time and time again. But indeed keep telling yourself the opposite if it makes you feel better, fairytales have that effect on impressionable minds.
Dr Jay thank you for your work. I appreciate your fearless pursuit of the truth!
Islam was spread by the sword and is dying by the internet.⛈️🌪The digital sword is mightier than the metal one.💻
@AlleyeSun
3 ай бұрын
I hope you're right
@mo_51_married_aisha_6
3 ай бұрын
@AlleyeSun You would be encouraged by what is happening all throughout the middle east. Most of Iran now identifies as non-muslim and most of the mosques are closing. A council of Sheikh were crying on TV after hundreds of thousands declared their apostasy online in Pakistan alone. The ex-muslim movement is growing at warped speed in India and Indonesia as can be seen by the massive size of the ex-muslim Hindi channels. The western converts are few compared to the tens of millions who are leaving Islam in the middle east and even most of them leave Islam within a few years.
@dwightdonnelly8662
3 ай бұрын
So very true these words are! Unlike Christianity, which is growing by the internet! One Lord!
@Hi12239
3 ай бұрын
Dumbest comment ever. Islam is spreading so fast everywhere, while churches are being closed daily because they have no one to fund them
@brentmiller3951
3 ай бұрын
So was Christianity
House of cards. The days of Islam are numbered.
@Theslavedrivers
3 ай бұрын
It could revive itself by it's own form of Reformation - But it is still a long way off even needing to do that. None of that is to negate the great fact-finding work of Jay Smith, mind.
@us3rG
3 ай бұрын
Iranians were trying to reform back in the day while at the same time Sudi kings used shria to get control over their rebellious people, soon after they made peace with Americans and the traditional bs continued and became glorified by $$$. The kings nowadays are trapped even if they want to change which is why they're trying slowly @@Theslavedrivers
@us3rG
3 ай бұрын
@@TheslavedriversIrnans were trying to refrm back in the day while at the same time Sudi kngs used shra to get control over their rebllius people, soon after they made peace with Amrcns and the traditional bs continued and became glorified by $$$. The kngs nowadays are trpped even if they want to change which is why they're trying slowly Mssng lttrs caus yt kp dlting
@us3rG
3 ай бұрын
@@Theslavedriversyt keep dlting. Look into Irn and sudi 👑 history. It's been tried
@garyhundsrucker7771
3 ай бұрын
You’ll still have plenty of misguided circling around the house of the meteorite and throwing rocks at Satan for fun & superstition purposes.People are hardheaded especially when ignorant.
You are equipping us with great info and material of what really is the truth about Islam.
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
Absurd theories are truth?🥴🤣
@kellyprell3206
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235truth hurts sometimes.
@nashbullet3213
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235Keep crying
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
@@kellyprell3206 There is no truth in this stream. There is only non academic claims. Why do you think they will never try to publish this in an academic paper? They will laugh at them.
@kellyprell3206
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235 this stuff IS published. You have to know this already, so you can't be taken seriously.
God Bless Dr Jay Smith a man whom not only do I admire but a man who stands up with his conviction! this alone makes him a Godly Man.
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
He is a godly man by fabricating things? There is a reason why he uses a fake name. There is a reason why he surrounds himself with yes men. There is a reason why he won’t invite experts in this field.
@Yuyup7334
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235 What things has he fabricated?
@scottmcloughlin4371
3 ай бұрын
I can answer your question. This useless academic is babbling nonsense propaganda. The first Christian kingdom was in Ethiopia (Aksum). That's credible mainstream history anyone can (everyone should) read online. Find Ethiopia and the Red Sea on a map. There were Christians and Jews all over Arabia and other lands around the Red Sea (a major trade route). American academics babble pure nonsense to uneducated fools. I studied Philosophy and History of Science at Harvard. I'm not guessing. Few Americans alive today have fully digested how the world and words (texts) functioned and spread long before the printing press, before the movie camera and before TV broadcast. All the documents were copied one at a time by hand, mixed and matched and customized for paying customers (books were VERY expensive). Textual discrepancies and changes in dialect are basically meaningless. That's simply not important. Canonical efforts were also very real. For example, Plato's works were canonicalized in the 1st century BC. But those endeavors were very expensive and their geographic reach was limited. The point of written texts is TEACHING LESSONS to real humans who actually STUDY them. "Truthfulness" conceived as "correlation with real life events" is simply of secondary and tertiary importance. I hope that helps explain more.@@Yuyup7334
@valentino3228
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235 Everyday more scrutiny is put on Islam, Christianity also went through that process and survived. Let's see what happens with Islam.
@LeRoyBoxley434
3 ай бұрын
@valentino3228 Do some research on Islam and Muhammad. It's a train wreck of plagiarism, lies, and deception.
Jay is doing wonderful work!
Sounds to me like the earliest "Meccan" period of Islamic history needs to be completely rewritten and heavily revised, to put it mildly.
@KevinWhite-zb5os
3 ай бұрын
See, that's my hangup. If it NEEDS reform, or can be reformed, it shouldn't have been called a religion in the first place.
@murielpucoe9213
2 ай бұрын
Thats why they are writing new Qurans. Mufti Menk published a quran at the end of last year , with pics of nature. Scholars were disgusted of the pictures.
@murielpucoe9213
2 ай бұрын
They are actually recreating a religion of peace because all new qurans leave the violence and the sexual episodes out.
These facts are shocking and amazing but the evidence is overwhelming. May God protect Jay Smith. Exposing historical controversies is dangerous work.
God bless you Dr Jay Smith and bro Al-fadi
Wow! Dynamite information that is so damaging to Islam! Seems that NONE of the 7th century mentions of the title "MHMD" applied to the imaginary prophet of Islam. That title was common and had been given to MANY persons throughout history, long before the rise of Islam. Great video.
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
I can make the same claim about Jesus. It was a common name.🥴🤣
@holy.sepulchre.of.jerusalem
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235 Islam is a demonic cult
@mysotiras21
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235 , didn't watch the video, huh? There is NO similarity between the NAME "Jesus" and the TITLE "MHMD" at all. That title only came to be used as a personal name after the rise of Islam. Moreover, there is plenty of historical EVIDENCE for Jesus of Nazareth, while there is NONE for the Muhammad of Islam.
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
@@mysotiras21 What’s your scholarly source? There is no historical source for your Jesus. There is billion times more historical evidence for Mohamed than for Jesus and Paul combined. It’s not even close. If we go back to the figures in your OT. Do you people have any shame?
@Turnipstalk
2 ай бұрын
@@mysotiras21 There is zero historical evidence for Jesus except for a few words in Josephus. Books written by believers without external verification don't count as history, just like fighter pilots claims of kills are wildly exaggerated when independent evidence is available.
Remember Mecca was such a backwater they didn't have roofs or doors or square buildings - it was a tiny village that only became significant later.
I was just reading the Thomas the Presbyter stuff and wishing someone would address that - lo and behold, jay nails it in the last 20 minutes. Well done Jay and Abd!!
This is fascinating and shows how so many fear facing facts.
Wow! Can't wait for this next devastating revelation Jay and Al Fadi have to drop on Islam. Muslims...its about time you wake up and come back home... come back to Jesus 🙏
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
The trinity is three gods.
@mo_51_married_aisha_6
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235 Alonzo 👇 1) Allah 2) Muhammad 3) Al-lat 4) Al-Uzza 5) Manat 6) Black Stone Muslims believe in 6 gods. The first five mentioned above are in the Quran, and Allah asked Muhammad to consider worshipping 3, 4, and 5. #6 is an added bonus.
@bugzyhardrada3168
3 ай бұрын
Just wait till you realise that whole of the abrahamic faiths are erroneous, plagerized, slanderous and fictional. . .that'll be a fun day indeed
@nashbullet3213
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235Let it go Abdool. You can’t fool anyone 😂
@brookendale3611
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235 hey does the donkey ride you or do you ride the donkey? or are you the donkey?
All the best for you both. Thank you very much for your work. It brings light into the darkness!
"medina" is not a specific name, it just means "town". There is no chance Mecca has ever been a caravan serai, no food, no water, no relevant connections to known caravan serais.
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848
3 ай бұрын
If you were going to invent a person who didn’t exist, it’s best to associate him with places that had no people.
I believe Islam devoloped from non trinitarian christianity and gnosticism. Also arabic as a language devoloped over time so the Quran in arabic is not eternal.
I S L A M - Incompetent Soothsayer Lying About Muhammad
Always a cliff hanger, and I can't stream the next pt. until its published grrrr 😂
Thankyou from Alaska🙏🏽✝️🕊👣🕎🦅
It would be good if Islamic people would research their own religion.
@Oussoubi7
3 ай бұрын
Brother I’m ex-Muslim, in Islam it is forbidden to search the truth about Islam , if you do so allah will punish you, because it means you doubt about him . Remember brother , Islam means submission and obey with no question 😅
@JungleJargon
3 ай бұрын
@@Oussoubi7 Yeah
@c.w_
3 ай бұрын
However, currently 25% of youth are leaving Islam. God has given us a questioning spirit which is made in the image of God. The Holy Spirit causes real seekers to search for Truth. His name is Jesus.
@JungleJargon
3 ай бұрын
@@c.w_ Yes, there is no other absolute truth other than Jesus.
Excellent news Jay
Tq Dr Jay for your gud work...appreciate that...hopefully muslims will listen to this video.
Thank you
Wowwwwwwww👑 ✝🛐"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free". John 8:32
God bless, Jay, Hatun and Al Fahd
This is so interesting. Thank you for all this information. Love listening to you guys.
bring them home - amen
As Rob Christian would say: THIS IS "EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!"
Jay, you are great man in this century.I have learned huge from your videos . If they (Muslims) do proper scholarship in their religion, they will find that it is very obscure because I have short journeys and I know.
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
Which credible scholar agrees with their conspiracy theories?
@nashbullet3213
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235Which credible scholar has been able to disprove his research?
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
@@nashbullet3213 Credible scholars don’t engage with foolishness. They only engage with scholarship and academic papers. These two clowns will never publish an academic paper for their nonsense. They will be laughed at.
@holy.sepulchre.of.jerusalem
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235 Islam itself is pure foolishness... Nonsense as religion...
Thank you very much for sharing, Dr Jay Smith and Al Fadi! 👍
Another excellent presentation gentleman
Sorry but after reading parts of the Quran i came to conclusion that i was reading the Arab equivalent of the WIZARD OF OZ. The Wizard of Oz was more realistic than the Quran. Did Muslim scholars have access to LSD?
@Maria-sb1xu
3 ай бұрын
😂
@Alfie-ft3bx
3 ай бұрын
Imagine though if they did take LSD, it would be such an interesting study
@billstream1974
2 ай бұрын
@@Turnipstalk nope! Have you ever read the Quran. Not even close!
@troymash8109
2 ай бұрын
@@TurnipstalkComparisons are often suspect. Yours is just ridiculous. You'd know if you actually read source material instead of repeating what you were told by another.
Hu tu tu!!! No Water = No History..lol Well hands down the Qiryan( Quran) is well preserved with Holes as larger than the holes in my slice of Emmentel cheese...Keep going brethren.
Without Lies Islam Dies! ☪👺
@SerafimS500
3 ай бұрын
Even with lies it still ... dies! 🥵
Damascus is still a holy city to the Arab Christians to this day. The Arab branch of the Eastern Orthodox Church is called the ANTIOCHIAN Orthodox Church and it is centered in Damascus Syria.
I have sympathy for all people who have been taught a lie and who's faith in good has been twisted for evil purposes. At some point thought the ones who believe the lie must be accountable for their actions in the face of the lie.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Hey Al Fadi and Jay, I keep referring to your videos once in a while and I love/appreciate the work that you guys do. Would it be possible to add 'Time Stamps' to your videos, that would make it easy to go to a particular section/sub topic. God bless you.
@edoboleyn
3 ай бұрын
That’s a good idea.
I enjoyed this discussion ❤🎉🎉🎉🎉😅🎉😊
I wish you a lot of subscribers to spread this information
Please make a book with your slides. Love them Dr Smith.
Dr.. Jay, thank you and Abdul Fadi. This was a wonderful reminder summary.. Question: At minute 12:10, where there is a picture of the Umayyad metal coin. There was always talk about the direction of the coin that includes the letters (M H M D) and I missed something, but I do not remember hearing from someone from you about The word on the face of the coin in the picture to the left... because I think, as a speaker of the Syriac Aramaic language, that it is very important because the two words form a phrase, meaning that the two words are connected to each other.
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
Jay Smith should read real scholarship. The cross is on the coin because the population of the Levant demanded this. The majority of the population were Christians and refused to trade with other coins. Read some real scholarship instead of these conspiracy theories.
than you again. 😢😢😢sad to see so many pershing souls in slam cult. we have yahweh inscription 3000 years old.
Excellent! Does Dr. Jay have any books?
Thanks Jay, eye opening research.
THANK U FOR THE KNOWLEDGE UNCLE .
I know it is, but thanks for the reply. I would like to know more about Islam, I think it’s critical to save Muslims from their current dilemma. Islam is much like Marxism. It’s only good for those running things.
I believe the Lakhmid kings had the name Amro (pronounced as "Amr") NOT Umar.
@thedude9024
3 ай бұрын
Ive heard that this Ambros/Omar/Umar may of been a Jew from the area from modernn day Iraq.. however, id love to see where this source or idea comes from.
The Jews use YHWH instead of using Yahweh. They could therefore use MHMD instead of Muhammad
@nashbullet3213
3 ай бұрын
Was Muhammad born or living at the time of Solomon?
@silverltc2729
3 ай бұрын
@@nashbullet3213 the real MHMD was the first Adam. He was alive then, as He is alive now. The eternal, uncreated Word of God.
@silverltc2729
2 ай бұрын
@@nashbullet3213 MHMD is The Word, which existed before Allah created the pen.
@silverltc2729
2 ай бұрын
@@Turnipstalk did Mecca exist before the 7th century AD? If so, give me any evidence below.
What about menorah coin you should show that as well and AJ DEUS research on the lost cities of Baghdad
It almost seems like where certain Jews, Christians, and others were all together some form of Islam would arise.
@smooth1234ish
3 ай бұрын
You win the prize, thank the Catholic Old Church for that.
Jay Smith, I need your help. You did in the past a presentation on the Islamic slave trade of black Africans. I do not remember you giving the source concerning what I will mention below from your videos. Do you remember from which page and from which book you learned about the information that between 112-140 million black Africans died during the Islamic slave trade? I would really like to share this information to my fellow students in my upcoming class presentation in university
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
He doesn’t have a source. It’s an absurd claim. No serious historian agrees with his made up claims.
@BoSS-dw1on
3 ай бұрын
Ooooooo Tuuuu Tuuuu Tuuuu Tuuuuu. I love when Jay says this!
@john318john
3 ай бұрын
Look up Thomas Sowell as well. He has a book narrated on YT about African slaves treatment by the Arabs slaves owners. Search KZread for Thomas Sowell.
Jay, Al Fadi, why did Allah save Jesus from suffering and pain when he let Muhammed die in pain and agony? According to the quran.
@shelleyscloud3651
3 ай бұрын
Because their dishonesty is matched only by their stupidity?
@jessiep63
3 ай бұрын
then it's a lie because the quran is already proven to be full of lies!
@louskimming4371
3 ай бұрын
Allah had nothing to do with your Mohammed. Only with His son Mohammed, aka Jesus.
Dr Jay ❤️❤️❤️❤️
The oldest Muslim churches point toward Petra, much closer to Jerusalem.
Hi Dr Jay Smith. I am a Kenyan African follower. How can I contact you on Email
Thankyou Lord for Life
Can you please help me about William Muir who also wrote about the Sirat
Jay... you should ALWAYS use the terms islamic-mecca, islamic-muhammed, islamic koran to distinguish between the islamic SIN and the historical realities. It would be much clearer and cleaner i think...be well M D Mill
are you or dr Jay publishing any book regarding this topic? i am interested
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
They won’t publish a book. That would be the end of their career. They know they are trying to sell crap.
@Eldenshelton
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235well Robert Spencer does regarding some of the topics, would be great to write a book and back the references all up
Is the narrative from Heindrich Ferdinand consistent with the stories of Mahomet from Hadiths?
I tried telling you before. The chapters Jay mentions at the end is a lecture between a well educated teacher and a student, where they explore genesis. if you analyze the structure of the text, you can sort out what the student and the teacher are writing.
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
According to your modern made up claims.
@AlonzoHarris235
3 ай бұрын
How do you know? Why did nobody ever claimed this before in history?
@JonSkjeseth
3 ай бұрын
@@AlonzoHarris235 because i analyzed it, breaking down each ayat. I'm a copywriter by profession, and text analysis is one of my tools. I don't think I'm the first to find this, but those who has found it, has maybe kept quiet in fear of death. You are aware how muslims becomes violent maniacs when their precious book or beloved muhammed is criticized or mocked, right? I can show you several videos from European countries where muslims tries to kill people who burns the hafs qirat.
God bless you Dr Smith. Is there anyway to find this material in Russian?
Caesar is also a title, which is contemporary. is also used as a name
@eva4adam451
3 ай бұрын
It means tzaar.
@eva4adam451
3 ай бұрын
It means tzaar.
@Earthling327
3 ай бұрын
@@eva4adam451 in german keizer
@brendawilliams8062
3 ай бұрын
Did anyone keep a beard hair for the museum
Can you tell us the book or websites you found the coins in?
Where is part one?
How do I meet jay smith?
I remember seeing an Archeologist who tried using the quoran as it mentioned Mecca and Medina he came away saying according to the kind of things that made him say the writer of those words had never seen those areas. He said in comparing Torah to the land of Israel you can find the areas. Places like Haran and other places written within it are where it says it was. One huge proof is that for regards to the family of Abraham it doesn't paint them as people who never made mistakes. It shows the good and bad choices. Likewise with Abraham reacting to Lot being taken by moslems is exactly what's going on right now. Abraham had a full army though he was with other kings he didn't consider them to be equals as they weren't. When the king of Sodom told Abraham to take as much gold as he wanted all Sodom wanted was their souls. Abraham left the treasure for Sodom. His soul and the souls of those within their army wasn't for sale. Likewise we have to stand apart from any adjoining treaties that keeps our nation from saving our people. That Archeologist who said that about their holy book said for them it's a book of faith. Faith to accept what they said was in it.
Will you guys debate Thaddeus and "too Many Marys" , they have insulted and called you guys ignorant?
How do you epell the name of that coin?
Onward Christian Soldiers 🎶🎵🎶🎵
❤
I wish Jay would let Al Fadi speak his mind more often.
Can someone tell me the most accurate english translation of the Qur’an. I want to study it. I would be very grateful. Thanks
Song of Songs is referring to Jesus (all together lovely) & that lady, The BRIDE of Christ (Church collectively)
Just find time machine Mr.Jay
On your point about water & Civilization. In America 90% of the Rivers & Bays are Named after extinct Indian Tribes. Just in My State of Maryland there is Susquehanna, Choptank, Trappe, Pocomoke, Nassawango, Annemessex, Chesapeake, Mattawoman, Patuxent, Patapsco, Manokin, Wicomico, Monie, Nanticoke, & Puckum to mention a few. These Indian Tribes would be forgotten today if not the waters that they lived by weren.t named for them. The water ways were the highways to these Civilizations.
Mal was correct. Muhammad was mentioned. He was Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan's younger half brother. It is around this time in the mid 7th Century that history blends into Islamic folklore and so-called historical figures are created.. The one truth is they were not in Mecca as Mecca only really comes into prominence with the opening of the Ayn Zubaydah by Queen Zubaydah in 801 CE. If it had not been for that Mecca would have simply been a sand wadi. .
Mount = Mhun "UUN " - Maaad"UUN " Meaning -- A Mhun - A Maaad = A Mh-Maaad ( Indefinite Noun ) , and Mhmaaad is a Common Noun ,
This is amazing research. Is Jay fearful of retribution ala Salmon Rushdie?
Why many many time Kaaanaa ( Was & Were ) in The Quran ???
Mecca in the Quran is described as being along the spice route and not in today's Mecca, the Kabba is very far south of the trade route
Wiki lies about primary sources.
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Matthew 1:1-2. Malakias 1:11. 2Chronicles 7:14.
33:57 I need that source
I'd rather think that the real Muhammad (if he existed) was transplanted by tradition in the south than saying there was no Muhammad because all early references to him are in the North.
Here is a problem in Christianity where we think it is funny and a cute joke that our wives speak to us disrespectfully. It isn't.
Dear sirs. Thank you for your great discussion. Mecca is mentioned 48 times in the Old Testament. It means sores . People with sores were isolated and sent to Leprosy colony . Those leprosy colonies were anywhere where Hebrew orthodoxy had their tribes . Which is Yatrib now Medina, including places in Syria, Bagdad Petra … that’s why it’s not on any map. because no one not any trade route was allowed to go to rhese sites for fear of disease. hwnce thats why mecca was not the. Center of trade nor mentioned on a ybhistory book . The torah chaoter 3, its chaotwr 12/13 .. tells yiu how peiple with disease were treated.
10:00 Regarding the seemingly Christian coin of Muawiya, why do you assume the design means Muawiya was Christian? My understanding is that mints continued to use pre-conquest designs, in both ex-Persian and ex-Roman mints, until the reign of Abd al-Malik. Seeing as we have Persian-style coins for Muawiya too, by your argument doesn't that mean Muawiya was also a Zoroastrian?
Back then, 99 + percent of the populace were incapable of reading or writing . So, where would the writing come from?
The Quran called itself a "book" while it was still just memorized verses. The Quran would only make sense if an entire book was presented, a physical one, not memorized verses being revealed piecemeal. That's exactly what a faker would do, compose verses over time as things happened that required new instructions from the deity. I'm not interested in a book that only talks about current events in Arabia in he 7th century. What bearing would that have on anyone else in the world? It's not Allah's guide for mankind at all, it's Allah telling one tribe of Arabs about recent events, like they don't know. Since it doesn't mention anything happening with anyone other than the Arabs, and was revealed in Arabic, I can only conclude that nobody but Arabs were intended to use that guide.
This is interesting, sir, but I'd like to better understand it. Are you saying, that it was in reality an Ishmaelite, christian king who conquered the Temple Mount, and has built the Dome of the Rock there?
There is three schools of thought about Mohammad. One, he did not exist, two he existed, or three, the one I think is the most likely is that a Mohammad did not exist & the Mohammad that appears in the Quran is a mix of different men who lived. A legend was built to show a great, powerful man that talked to God. Highly unlikely.
Islam sustains the superpower of mysogeny.
Could the Tayye of Mohammed mentioned by the Orthodox Syriac Priest, Thomas The Presbyter in his Chronicle of 634AD refer to the Tayye(Arabs) of Mhmd (Jesus) to distinguish the invading Arabs of 630/640AD as distinct from the Orthodox/Chalcedians? Juat a thought?