Check out our follow up video. Pellets vs Slugs. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJd8l9tyYJbYeqw.html

@ordyhorizonrivieredunord712

4 жыл бұрын

I love air guns, I use mine to shoot essential oil compound that desinfect the air in stinky rooms or corridor. it pulverises it and it smells good...

I am 71 years old so I was brought up that the .177 was the only "real" airgun. I use a 1377 in my living room where i have a 12 ft range so I don't even have to stand up to shoot. If I were to go out hunting with a pistol I would absolutely use the 1322 instead, I want to get one anyway.

@peterbaugh51

2 жыл бұрын

If you hunt, .177 is best for lower power, cheap accurate guns like 1377. How do I know this.

@JohnDoe-dj6qw

2 ай бұрын

Explain what a "real" airgun is.

I have had 22 since 1948 still like the 22 best.

@desertweasel6965

4 жыл бұрын

1948?!?! God bless you, sir!

Follow the old rule........ 22 for fur .... 177 for feathers. Best option is one of both.

@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830

5 жыл бұрын

Aint a mousebor rat easier to penetrate that bunch of feathers? Never shot a bird but shot a mouse with 177. And pellet passed though it. Wasn't instant death obviously but shots besides headshots rarely are. Unless you use a real gun because then there's nothing left of it.

@leonardjenkins8968

4 жыл бұрын

Cool. I had never heard that one. Sounds good to me

@savage22bolt32

4 жыл бұрын

@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 I shot a mouse with a .410 shotgun. Blew his head clean off!

@southernfoods7302

4 жыл бұрын

well said💯

@bradlaflamme6127

4 жыл бұрын

Not saying it cannot be done because I have killed dozens but it usually took more than one shot but the .177 on a pigeon is almost inhumane. .22 much nicer with the benjamin 392. One and done every time.

Hey Wingman! I'm all for the 22 cal pellet guns, especially for hunting. Let me tell you about an experience I had while squirrel hunting. I bought my 1st air rifle about 10 years ago. After a lot of searching and comparing I bought an RWS Diana break barrel in 177 cal. Practiced and practiced and got pretty good with it. First time out squirrel hunting I saw 2 greys come across a ravine and jump up on a log about 15 yards in front of me, chewing on nuts. I did it all right. I aimed at one of the the squirrels, squeezed the trigger, and pop! I heard the unmistakable thud when the pellet hit him, and he fell over the back of the log. The other squirrel sat there confused, and I slowly and meticulously broke the barrel of my RWS and loaded another pellet and drew down on the 2nd grey. Pop, then another unmistakable thud as the pellet hit him and knocked him over the back of the log. I waited about 10 minutes, to give them time to bleed out. When walked up to the log and slowly looked over the log, one of the squirrels looked up at me, took off running, then ran up a tree about 40 yards away, and about 20 foot up the tree went into a hole! After a few choice words, I looked over the log again and the other grey looked up at me, took off running, ran up the same tree and went into the same hole the 1st squirrel went into! Again a few choice words! I went home and the next week, sold my 177, bought a Benjamin Marauder in 22 cal, and haven't looked back! I do have a couple of 177's but they are collectors air guns only! Only the 22 cal for me, for hunting anyway! Thanks for your time. John from Cedar Rapids, IA.

@Wingman115

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment and stopping by.

@WoodShane

Жыл бұрын

Loved the story.... I can see that happening.

@DKNguyen3.1415

7 ай бұрын

Sounds like a comedy act

Years ago, tried experimenting with 177 on the trapline (hoping to lessen pelt damage). Field experience dictates strongly to me that the .22 is the thing for animal harvesting.

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

+Badgerrr Lattin 👍🏻👊🏻

thank you for the great video, as of right now im shooting .177, after seeing your video im going to have get a .22 as well my wife and i are just getting into the sport of air guns, we plan on teaching our kids

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

+Michael Kuntz Good stuff. It is a addiction for sure.

I have the 1377, but strongly considering getting the .22 cal because of the power difference. Thanks for the video.

I have watched many videos on youtube in regards to air pistols and rifles and I was always disappointed with the lack of information on the videos. You are a truly youtuber! This is what I’m talking about! Amazing video and after watching it, I don’t feel like I lost 10 minutes of my life, like I usually feel watching other ones. Congrats on the videos and keep up the good work! You just got a new subscriber!

@Wingman115

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I started out with 177 for the inexpensive ammo available and flat trajectory. I also love to punch paper and at that time thought little in the way of pest control. I now live outside the city and recently purchased a 22 and wow what a difference when it comes to knock down power. I don't believe I waited this long, so bottom line is get both. I like the 177 for teaching and target work and 22 although can be used for those things I prefer to use them in the field.

Loved seeing a Air Gun video! I own both calibers of the pumpers in the video & enjoy them both alot. My .177 is my target gun, both paper & spinners. My .22 is the tree rat eliminator in my backyard. BOTH are very quiet & very accurate to about 12 yards for me. I also have a modified 2240 that does both target & hunting duty VERY well. Thanks again for the Air Gun video Wingman115!

Very helpful. I have a Crossman 760 that was handed down to me by my grandfather, but wanted something more suitable for hunting. Your video along with other online resources have helped me decide on the .22 caliber. Thanks

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

+Coronash69 Keep shooting my friend.

Been interested in getting air guns thank you for this video.

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

+gideonstactical they are really fun and addictive once you start.

@markd4109

6 жыл бұрын

Wingman115 For sure! Great video

I'd go for the .177 now but I used to shoot nothing but .22's before and they are deadly at shorter ranges. I've grown older now and not a very effective stalker anymore so i'll shoot from longer distances with optics..great videos...

Love em both.. Modded my 1377.. And doing my 1322 next. Had one if these in the 80s

I'm a .22 fan boy. love the .22 for target, plinking and hunting. I do have one .177 rifle and a few .177 pistols, but I always prefer my .22. I think it's a generation thing, I've grown up with .22 rifles.

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Me as well. Thanks for checking in.

I use both calibres. I used to prefer the .22 but decided a few years back to balance out and get into .177 too. They're very similar in effectiveness against small game, but refreshingly different in terms of accuracy and velocity.

@sosteve9113

4 жыл бұрын

I have both myself .177 and the .22, .177 go's faster but the .22 has more punch .both are great

@peterbaugh51

2 жыл бұрын

Velocity with enough mass is king.

Thank you so much for posting this video. This is exactly 100% what I wanted to see. Was deciding between these exact two models that both sell for the same price. You covered every question I had. Awesome review! Thank you very much

@Wingman115

6 жыл бұрын

👍🏻👊🏻

Thanks John for the review. I have two of these and both in .177. I've killed several ground squirls with them and ate many woks of stir-fry of sparrow. I put the carbine stocks on both. One with a scope other with the add on steel breech and upgrade iron sight. Am now leaning toward the 0.22 cal. and think I need a couple more in this caliber. Great survival gun that is quite and will put small game in the pot. The lower you can live on the food chain, the greater will be your chances of survival. Long after the elk and deer have been shot, the small game will still remain.

Thanks man. You helped me make my decision to get the P1322. I've always used .177 and had this gun in that caliber way back in the day, but now I'm needing something to hunt squirrels, etc. Thanks! I'm looking forward to having fun with this gun.

@Wingman115

6 жыл бұрын

👊🏻👍🏻

My .22 gives good results with lead round ball as well. If hunting, I strongly suggest that .22 cal. Tried using a .177 as a trapline tool once and was badly disappointed.

Which ever one makes you a shooter is a credit to the sport...I like them all.

First off, great to see a newer vid from you again, regarding our favorite little toy. Secondly, TBH I use both calibers almost on an equal basis and enjoy both calibers for what they're good at. For pest control I use the 1322 with carbine shoulder stock, and to keep my pistol skills from degrading I use the now discontinued Benjamin HB17 in .177 or 4.5mm. So to sum up, for pest control, no question... 5.5mm or .22 cal - and for fun and target practice you can't do better than the affordable 4.5mm or .177 cal

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Good stuff thanks for stopping by.

I was going to add, that on Pigman's channel he has a vid of him taking a wild pig with a gamo silent cat (I believe) using only a .177 pellet. Shot placement really is the Golden Rule. I Love your channel, man. Keep it up ad I'll keep coming back :-) And I'm a sucker for airgun stuff :-)

@Sol_Invictus510

4 жыл бұрын

Fullmoon Prepping and using a pellet with decent expansion/energy transfer.

Buy both! Can't have too many!

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@MRT_H

7 жыл бұрын

Wingman115 And a few big bores for the more difficult targets! I'm testing out my homemade .50cal pcp rifle tomorrow, will have a video up on it very soon!

@joeyv4362

5 жыл бұрын

MrTurbo458 congratulations! stupidest comment on here

@desertrainfrog1691

5 жыл бұрын

@@joeyv4362 Maybe if we omit your comment from that evaluation.

@RyanSpringer1984

5 жыл бұрын

I bought 2 Beeman. One Kodiak & one Grizzly (both are dual barrel). That's on top of the other ones I own so I tend to keep the .22 barrel on.

I'm a reloader and cast bullet fan, I also have two air rifles in my collection. I've always been a fan of heavy bullets because they simply hit harder. This man is right for going to the .22 caliber. In my inventory, I have a Gamo Hunter extreme and a Benjamin Nitro Trail both in .22.

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment Gary.

i have a 1322 crosman myself..love it..need to see more on airguns video

I had a customized webley nemesis in .22, it had reworked cylinder/piston and porting to start with then I went nuts and made a scrounged .177 air rifle barrel fit it (lots of manual filing and polishing) as a long heavy barrel, use pellets on appropriate targets, .177 on birds/rats/squirrels (head shots) and .22 on rabbit's etc

A pellet rifle or pistol is great to keep your shooting skills sharp. I have pistols and rifles in both calibers. Both require proper pellet placement. For distance I would go with the 177. For larger game, I would use the 22. I cant really say which is better as both have taken a bunch of game and pests. Saving up for my next rifle, a 25 caliber springer. Should be interesting.

@ratdog3055

7 жыл бұрын

PyramidAir.com has them as do several others including Fin Feather Fur here in Ashland, Oh

i like .177 because it seems to be alot more common around here in stores to find tins

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Good stuff.

great timing for the video, I was perusing the air guns at the canadian tire the other day and wondering about those models. too bad I "lost" my air rifles when I left home for school, never saw them since.

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

Jim these are really affordable and a great way to keep the skill set up. Thanks for stopping by.

I have a .177 in that same pistol you have. Didn’t like it much until I modified it into a short riffle, lol. I also have a .177 in a 1200fps and 1650fps and the power of that Gamo Magnum was most surprising UNTIL... .50 Umarex Hammer baby! I waited my butt off on the waiting list for this work of air gun art for weeks!Amazing.... Air gun are the future at this rate of excitement!

With either one - I would put a shoulder stock on them (and a scope). You just can't hold it steady enough as a pistol. You can't go wrong with either one! As with ANY hunting situation, shot placement is the key!

Wingman, I think that one advantage that the .177 size has over .22 is that you can fire pellets AND BBs. I don't have a preference, but I'd like to try a .22. The more mass pellet has, the better stopping power at close range, perfect for varmints and other targets. It goes without saying, of course, that a .22 carbine or rifle trumps them all!

Thanks for the information on those air guns, it is much appreciated. I have been thinking about getting at least one of them since it is getting so ridiculously expensive to shoot my regular center fire and rim fired guns. I will still keep them too of course, but, it would be nice to have something a little cheaper to use once in a while when I just want to go out and do a little "plinking." Take care John, you make great videos.

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

+campfire52 Thanks for stopping by.

I've had the 1377 for many years mainly to plink around with and take out doves and the occasional squirrel. The 1322 would be preferred for small game. Great video and thanks for taking the time to share on this topic.

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

Your welcome.

Only have a 177 and can't say anything has ever got away after being shot

Grew up using .177 but I def prefer the .22. Its much better suited for hunting and I can still get plenty of range with a reasonable trajectory.

I'm absolutely in love with this discovery it's a tack driver. I have only tried Crosman 14.3 hollow points and the power and accuracy is unbelievable I'm having a blast with this thing and getting the workout Pumping It Up. I'm already eyeing a .25 Marauder

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting and stopping by.

I am a 177 man you have so many options for ammo it's insane

I shoot both hunting yes .22 but accuracy on .177 can off set. I have 50/50 but I have kille dchocks with 177 but you are correct .22 is more forgiving.

@sosteve9113

4 жыл бұрын

I have both myself .177 and the .22, .177 go's faster but the .22 has more punch .both are great

they both have a place. mice, rats, squirrel I like .177 for flat trajectory and accuracy. for racoon and such I like 22 for energy down range. I'm actually relatively new (6 years) for the .22. I grew up with the red Rider and the 1377 and have used both since. can't beat the red rider for a wake up when the horses are actin up.

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

Awesome brother I just got my American classic in 177. And I love it what a kick ass gun. Yes comparing this to all my other BB pistols this one will definitely kill. not that I'm trying to kill anything, it's just nice to know I can. God bless

I was raised on .177 pellet guns as a child, I typically would be able to shoot them fairly accurately but I felt it was always lacking knock down power. I am happy to report I am totally switching to .22 pellets. I have completely revamped my air gun arsenal, and for starters I purchased the crosman 1322 pistol. I have a crush on a Kral Arms .22 puncher breaker . (I just need to justify the cost) thanks for the video.

@Wingman115

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Ever tried loading a 177 with cold fingers ?

great vid bro!

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

The .22 pump rifles were awesome for firecracker launching.... we also had those .22 darts when i was a kid.

So I had a conversation with my son on which to buy today and my phone was sitting right next to us now this video is recommended really.

@ronnguyen8287

4 жыл бұрын

Just ordered the .22 cal.

@aidenschvatkok5732

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I’ve had that happen. I have zero interest in dungeons and dragons. Never once searched it online. Was talking on the phone with my retired dad, he has some friend who is into it so he was going to try it out. What do I see on my phone 2 hours later… ad for dungeons and dragons. Creepy google is listening lol

ammo prices sux. I have been thinking of going to a 22 cal Crossman, 392 I think. had the 177 as a kid. thanks for an informative video.

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Your welcome.

@bucmeister7713

4 жыл бұрын

You are correct about the ammo prices. The prices Wingman115 was quoting for pellets used to be the price for a bulk box of 500 22 LR rounds. So it also sux that 500 pellets alone cost $10-12 and that is for standard designs, when you get into the newer offerings those prices climb as well.

i like the .22 cal...it's hitting hard and with distrution....

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

+marksteve lum-chou 👍🏻👊🏻

I standardized on the .177. Found a used Daisy 880 for $20 and a used Gamo Bone Collector for $50. They both prefer the same pellet and I stocked up on them when a tin of 500 was $4. Last month I bought a Crosman M4-177 and I just ordered a Benjamin Trail NP pistol. Now I am reconsidering cancelling that order and getting a .22 rifle instead.

I had an old daisy 880 sawed off pistol griped that i took the barrel out of and put it in crosman vigilante and its super accurate

Leaning towards a Ruger elite 2 hawk .22

I use the airgun for pest control around the house and property. When you think about that there is no better way to go than .22 calibre. The one thing you don't want to happen is to cause the pest to suffer from​ pain. With .22 calibre it's one shot and goodnight Irene. Also, you don't want to have that injured animal to scamper off into your drywall and dying, only for you to have to tear apart a wall to get to the critter and chase again. There is nothing worse than the smell of a dead mouse in your house.

@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah i shot a mouse with 177. Pointy pellet and it took about 30sec for the mouse to die. After the hit it wasn't able to run anymore but it could take minutes for it to die depending where you hit. My pellet hit the longs and passed through so it bled a bit though its nose but still 30 sec probably is quite quick. Air rifle with scope probably would be ideal so you can shoot more vital spots. 22. Is definately better for pest control and causes less suffering but still probably not instant death but that's just how it is. Cat had fun with a dead mouse after outside at least.

@bucmeister7713

4 жыл бұрын

@@damnsonwheredyoufindthis.3830 Would also suspect a bit more thump with a bit less pass through with the slower 22. Bout like comparing a 9mm vs 45ACP

.177 my whole life since I was a boy (I’m 48 now) but recently discovered the Crosman 2240 CO2 pistol and am now hooked on .22 caliber! All calibers have their place. 22 is a great all-rounder, though.

I just picked up my first 1322 because it was on sale, $30 off. I have a bunch of other airguns but this is easily one of my favorites.

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Me too.

what matters is placement , the type of animal and were you put that pellet

@Wingman115

6 жыл бұрын

+Angel Devil 👍🏻👊🏻

I have both 22 and 177 and I prefer the 177. it shoots faster and further. seems to be more accurate. the 22 is good for close range but the 177 wins on distance.

@peterbaugh51

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto x2.

Great vid! Just what I was looking for.

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

I’m glad I watched your showI have a 2240 CO2 wanted to buy another 1377 after watching your show and convinced to buy a 1322 less confusion It’s not the money it’s pennies but the confusion of what to do I thank you for your explanation good luck your friend Walter

@Wingman115

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching John.

I am a 177 fan.. All things being equal the 177 steps out ahead... the only advantage a 22 has is at closer ranges with blunt force trauma, however a pass through the heart or brain with a 177 still is a kill... a 177 starts to show its strengths at distances beyond 20 yards... All things have terminal velocity and the 22 will reach terminal velocity sooner thus it will slow down quicker and loose more energy the further the distance gets... For example shooting a 16 grain from both the 177 and 22 the muzzle energy and velocity will be almost identical however at 50 yards the 177 will be going fast and retain more energy... The flatter shooting will also mean less misses because of misjudged distances.. Also the 177 requires less energy to penetrate so at distances if it is going fast and retaining more energy then it will penetrate much easier and way deeper... shooting small pigs could extend your killing distance to a greater distance because it could penetrate the skull easier and get into the brain. It takes less force to drive a 10 penny nail than a spike... If you are going to go ratting at 10 to 15 yards then fine the 22 will blast the hell out of them but for long shots on jack rabbits, coon, smaller ferrule pigs then the 177 will have a higher velocity and more energy and penetrate easier and deeper and shoot flatter... And in reality you may also find that some lighter bullets in 177 will deliver way more energy than heaver 22 caliber at longer ranges... Physics and terminal velocity do not lie... If you took a 16 grain 177 and 16 grain 22 and dropped them out of an airplane the 177 would hit the ground sooner because the 22 will reach terminal velocity sooner and not be able to increase its speed and slow down much sooner than the 177... You can see this in action by taking two balloons and blow one up and leave the other unblown and drop them both at the same time and the unblown balloon will hit the ground sooner because the one that is blown up hit terminal velocity and can't go any faster toward the ground... everything drops at 32 feet per second and increased by that same amount for each second until terminal velocity is reached and it cant' go any faster because of the resistance of air.. so the first second it will drop 32 feet the next second it will drop and additional 64 feet and the next second it will drop and additional 96 feet and continue until it can't go any faster... that is its terminal velocity, when the body in motion is slowed down because of the air resistance... a larger diameter bullet of equal weight and design will slow down more and quicker than a smaller diameter bullet... thus it will have less velocity, less energy retention and less penetrating properties.. so a 177 will best a 22 at any distance... And who shoots anything at muzzle... so even at close range the 177 will still kill just as effectively, you may get more pass through and not blow a rat half way across the yard but the rat is still dead with his heart or brain torn to shreds... and you won't break every bone in his body but he is still dead... So if you are not a good shot then keep your distances close and use a 22 if you are a half way decent shot then use a 177 for all distances... and you will kill game at further distances... and also have less misses attributed to a flatter trajectory with misjudged distances... You can't cheat science no matter how much you want to..

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@edgarlombera7066

7 жыл бұрын

Jim Richard I respect what you're trying to say but you're way off... all pellets leave the muzzle at their maximum velocity... they don't increase as they go farther. Being dropped from a plane and being shot from a barrel are two completely different things. The .22 will always retain more energy down range because it's heavier plain and simple. It takes more velocity for a .177 to reach the energy of a .22. Will it shoot flatter yes if you're comparing them with their energy. But if you shoot both a .177 and .22 at 900fps the .177 will lose energy quicker because it will lose velocity quicker then a heavier pellet. And finally a .177 will over penetrate more than a .22 because it has less surface area. When it comes to air guns you want most of the energy to transfer on your quarry. .22 may penetrate less, at certain velocities, but will create a bigger cavity for a quicker dispatch.

@vansantsam

7 жыл бұрын

Same rifle only different cal. .177 cal with JSB 13,43 has muzzle velocity of 807 and fpe of 19, and 50 yards downrange it has 607 velocity and 11 fpe. on the other hand a .22 with JSB Express 14.30 grains has a muzzle velocity of 708 and fpe of 16 and downrange to 50 yards it has 547 for velocity and 10 fpe... If the 177 shoots an equal weight bullet of the same design it will travel fast and hit harder than the .22 because there is less wind resistance and the .22 slows down too quickly.... obviously if you shoot a .177 with 7 grains vs the .22 with 18 grains then the .22 will have more energy but that is not comparing apples with apples... but if you shoot similar weight pellets then the .177 will dominate and also penetrate deeper and easier because of the smaller diameter and at 50 yards they claim that it takes the .22 an extra 3 to 4 foot pound to equal the penetrating properties of the .177, again smaller diameter will penetrate easier and deeper if the weight of the bullet is about equal... In order to leave the energy in your game is only a matter of bullet type... pointed vs round nose vs hollow point... .177 also has many more variety of pellet weights and styles than are offered with the .22... If you can't penetrate and reach the vitals then you only wound an animal.. so which one of equal weight will bust through skull and other bones easier - .177... They claim that it takes only 5 fpe to kill a rabbit with good shot placement that means that the .177 can dispatch a rabbit at around 135 yards with a pellet weighing around 13 to 14 grains, because at that range it has 5 fpe... and the .22 with 14-15 grain pellet, at that 135 yards only has about 3 to 4 fpe (and it may not penetrate properly to get into the vitals)... You may also want to consider trajectory, the .177 shoots much flatter than the .22 of equal weight bullets which means you could miss a shot because of misjudged distances with a .22 and with a .177 that is not such a critical issue... A .177 can break 1 inch disc at 20,30,40 yards (about the size of a rabbits heart), where as the .22 will break the 20 and 40 and shoot right over the 30 yard one... because of its bell shaped trajectory... a miss is a miss is a miss... no matter if you tried to shoot it with a tank... Each to his own and if you like the .22 them by all means use one but I prefer the .177 because of all the benefits and also it extends your kill range from 5-10 yards over a .22... This same argument went on years ago with the 270 vs the 30-06, and we all know how that turned out... the 30-06 had more energy and shock at closer ranges but at longer distances the 270 showed it's dominance... and also at close ranges the 270 had more than adequate energy (even though the 30-06 had more)... But if you paired the 270 with 140 grains and the 30-06 with 150 grains then the 270 was very close to the same energy at close ranges but again showed it's true colors when the distances were stretched to 400 and 500 yards... So there ya have it... I will stick with .177 all day... Which would you want to get hit with, a golf ball or a softball if they were thrown with the same amount of force... I think the golf ball would hurt a great deal more... and the golf ball will travel further and slow down less than the softball..

@edgarlombera7066

7 жыл бұрын

Jim Richard the .270 shined because it has a better ballistic coefficient, better ballistic coefficient better down range energy because the BC makes a bullet retain its velocity better at long distance. But you can't compare pellets to bullets they're apples vs oranges. With pellets, the shape and weight affects its BC typically round nose pellets have a better BC and a heavier pellets increases it. A .22 jsb has a better bc than a .177 jsb period. Of course if you shoot these two caliber from the same power platform the .177 will shine no doubt about it. I prefer the .22 because I don't shoot em from low powered airguns, each caliber is restricted to a certain energy and a heavier .22 shot at 900fps will have way more energy then a .177 shot at 900fps, more energy, more damage, more penetration etc.. bigger is better when it comes to pellets. A .25 will outperform a .22 in every way as well

@edgarlombera7066

7 жыл бұрын

Jim Richard you don't want to dispatch a rabbit with the minimal power it takes to take one out. At 135 yd what's the chance you'll actually hit it? Let's talk realistically here not numbers. Even for my $1300 .22 I would never take a shot at a rabbit past 100 yd

I got my gamo pcp in .177 that shoots 1900 FPS+ and my .22 Remington break barrel that shoots around 1200, both do a amazing job with varments. But with the .177 I can shoot 100+ yards confidently while I’m still getting used to the .22

177 Webley tempest. And I love it. And all the way up to my Marlin 45/70 SBL With a red dot. Haha. Life is good.

awsome video. I just made me figure out which one to go with. im going 22.cal. already has the 177 but it messed up. time to upgrade.

@paulward2668

5 жыл бұрын

j peezy, it! doesn't mess up? you messed up!!

I use 177 for pistols and pistol carbines. And 22 for full length rifles. I prefer the 22 though. :)

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

Me too!

.177 by far for long range hunting

I got a 177 crosman pump pistol.paid 349 $ for it.but i live in New Zealand...ammo 20-30 $ a tin.I think thats really expensive? But it was worth it,i love it.great vid bro😊

Great video! I have had .22 and .177, these days I only shoot in my back yard plinking and taking out the odd rats that ventures in. For me .177 is the best calibre with my BSA Ultra SE as it has a flatter trajectory near the legal UK limit of 12ftlbs (6ftlbs for pistols). If I was in the US I would opt for the .22 as the extra power above the UK limit would flatten out the trajectory. I am also thinking about buying a crossman 1377 to shoot in my garage at low pumps.

@Wingman115

4 жыл бұрын

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I really like both, each for their own purpose really, the .177 is nicer in my opinion to punch small holes in paper. Most importantly for me is perhaps that if I have guests over its really simple to explain to them "only shoot the reactive targets on the right side with the .177". They will easily hold up to my old break barrel, crosman 1377, crosman 1077, etc. Most will even handle the Weihrauch HW35 in that caliber. However those targets will certainly get wrecked pretty fast when shooting them repeatedly with the Weihrauch HW97k, gamo coyote or benjamin marauder pistol in .22 cal. Fortunately I do have a few more robust targets beyond just paper set up on the left side that can handle everything I've thrown at it so far with only minor maintenance being needed. For active hunting I suppose I would be inclined towards a .22 or .25 PCP or if I want a self contained powerplant an underlever spring .22 rifle like the HW97K. However hunting laws are pretty restrictive here, not allowed with airguns and you have to apply for a hunting permit and go through some more hassles for the guns and permission to hunt in certain areas etc. If I had to though I'm fairly confident I could get the pellet to land on target, been doing enough outdoor shooting with various wind conditions varying from short to a decent 50-60 meters regularly. Judging the distance reliably and fast in an unknown area is a skill that'd be sorely lacking though since I usually use the same place for that and know how far all the objects are apart (markers along the wall every 5 meters for my own convenience). Of all things getting that down might just be the hardest one, ofcourse I suppose I could cheat with a laser rangefinder. It might be an excessive collection just for punching holes in paper and shooting more interesting targets that do something, but I've found that its a good way to relax after having thought way too much about stuff during the day at work. And at the same time get a little bit of light physical activity done rather than sit at the couch watching tv after being stuck at the desk all day at work.

@peterbaugh51

2 жыл бұрын

Give me an accurate 177 air gun shooting 950 fps 8.3 gr dome pellet and I will show you dead home wrecking pests. All day.

.22 sounds like my kind of air gun, good recommendation.

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

+BlackRifle Survival thank you sir.

@user-hy4jt8sr6y

4 жыл бұрын

What about farther?? The .22 cal maximum range is 50 yards it is just too heavy vs the .177 cal maximum range of 400 yards so definitely the .177 is the best option.

only ever had 1 air rife, rws model 48 in .177 30 years old and still shoots great

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

+SCOOP DE DOOP they were made to last.

i have them all in 1 rifle, i can change from 22cal to 177cal, or the other way around in less than 10 seconds, while on the field hunting, i have a 22cal barrel and 177cal barrel that i can attach and detach very quickly, very handy rifle, its called the beeMan Silver Kodiak X2,

Careful man that mod train is a hard one to get off...

177 for me. Im a target shooter, don't hunt other than the occasional nuisance rodents (even a bb going anything over 500fps put right behind a rat's eye will usually go right through its head killing it instantly. Though i prefer pellets for that use) so knock-down power isn't really a pressing concern for me. So for (both guns and ammo) the price, availability and that pinpoint accuracy I don't seem to get with .22 I go .177. Oh and for some guns the ability to go pellet or bb is a nice option.

I'm a .177 guy. I grew up using this round for plinking. When I started hurting I went to.22 then I learned how to diesel a round. Of course I don't do this with my Benjamin but I'll do it with my Crossman. I've shot squirrels this way and almost ripped them in half, especially with a ballistic tip round. I know this is not the response you were looking for but I love the topic of air guns. Great video!

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

Let it rip!

There the best, love them,me 177.working with the ppq.great video..

@Wingman115

6 жыл бұрын

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In my country, we can't buy .22 without a Licence. So compromised with .177 But I LOVE MY INDIA 💕

own the 22 cal. pellet gun you show-- problem is noise, got hearing damage and the gun is to loud -- need some kind of silencer cheap thing to use, can't seem to find or build -- should be legal since it is an air gun-- any thoughts

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Try a muzzle brake. tko22.com/

@bobperu1

6 жыл бұрын

yes legal

@miguelcastaneda7236

6 жыл бұрын

donze52 muzzle break can buy like 25..50 $

I loved my 1377 when I was growing up. I'm thinking I'd like the 1322 as well.

My Marksman pistol and Remington 77 rifle shoot BB’s and .177 pellets , so that’s what I like !

I would take the 22 but what I would really like to see is someone make these things more balanced. I bought one from walmart a while back but it was so ridiculously unbalanced and impossible to be consistently accurate with I returned it and bought a ruger air riffle instead.

@2DangerousDan

6 жыл бұрын

IDK, if you aren't really weak the balance and it's effects on accuracy is not a problem. The 13xx airguns are not very heavy and they are used accurately by many people including some kids. A technique to shoot accurately for those with weak wrists may be rested (for target practice) or two handed if no rest is available (for hunting). My Grand-kids over 10 years old and I don't find it impossible or even difficult at all to shoot it even if they need help to pump it!

Its all depends on the fps if you got a 700+ fps 22 airgun its gonna be better then a 1000 fps 177 airgun. If you have a weaker 22 such as the crossman it would not have the same devistating effect as a higher velocity 177.

Best mod I made on mine was the carbine stock. 8 rounds of 177 into the same squirrel and nothing. These NM critters are tough!

22 caliber I have an original Crossman pump with wood pump handle and grips from back in the early 60's

I like .177 its cheaper and I like the challenge of hitting my targets dead on. I find the .177 more available than I do the .22

@GridZone.

6 жыл бұрын

i believe that to be changing rapidly. old guns yes .177 is king, but .22 prince about to take the throne soon in the next 5-10 years will surpass.

@user-hy4jt8sr6y

4 жыл бұрын

The .22 cal maximum range is 50 yards it is just too heavy vs the .177 cal maximum range of 400 yards so definitely the .177 is the best option.

1377 is so accurate, so it is the exception for an air handgun, head shots on small game is too easy using that model.

I have .177 air rifles. They’ve brought down ground hogs. But shot placement is pretty important and so is ammo selection. I wish I had gone with .22 air guns. I wish the .177 packed a little more punch. But they still hit hard.

Nice one John. I am a 177 caliber fan myself, very tough to find 22 here in Canada. Also I prefer the break barrel rifles, one motion, consistent pressure and power. Hammerli 490 Express is my current fave armed with Crossman Destroyer pellets.

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

Hammerli makes some nice air guns for sure.

@johncapurso3942

7 жыл бұрын

Wingman115 j

I'm a Ruger & Dan Wesson .44mag fan

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

+luwdmke I can't afford the ammo. That's why I shoot pellet guns.

.22 for most small game hunting is the way to go. .177 is fine for head shots on small pest birds and chipmunks at close range.AA 410 FAC .22Browning mag pistol .22Crosman 1322 backpacker with steal breach kit / scope .22Crosman T4 .177

I've always shot. .177, but I've got a .22 pcp on the way. my first and I can't wait to get her seasoned and tuned in.

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Let the big dog eat! Congrats on the new rig.

@Bkw8n2hunt

7 жыл бұрын

I'm absolutely in love with this discovery. it's a tack driver with Crossman premier 14.3 hp. they're the first ones I tried and I'm very impressed with its accuracy and power.

this man has such a great attitue

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

I live in Illinois where air guns are regulated. 177 is cash and carry but 22 is treated like a fire arm. it stinks, but we are stuck. FYI I DON'T live in Chicago.

@kenkrauklis765

6 жыл бұрын

I hear you bud on that crap!!!!!

@kenkrauklis765

6 жыл бұрын

I like to call the state Suckinois. From HIGH taxes to lame crap like air gun regulations, Illinois just flat out SUCKS!

@zaclarock730

5 жыл бұрын

Same here. Also they require a foid for .177 over 700 fps. I've heard some stores don't ask for a foid afterall airguns aren't registered so idk. I'm sure online vendors would still ship to your house though. Going to try that.

22 is subsonic in my platform.

That's for sure, this is a good tactic X2, great video Sir thanks for sharing Sir

@Wingman115

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Doug.

i.ve been shooting since i was 5 i.am 52 now and my favorite caliber is 22 is now i.ve shoot 177 for years and both are not bad its what you like ..

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

+Bradford Ely sounds great my friend.

A.177 fan

@Wingman115

6 жыл бұрын

If it works for you that's a good thing. Shot placement it the key.

I think that the proper caliber often depends on how powerful your gun is. .177 tends to be better in lower powered guns but often looses accuracy in high powered or supersonic guns. The .22 often under penetrates with low powered guns but hits hard and keeps it's accuracy, especially at long range, with the high powered rifles.

Your a good ambassador for shooting Wingman, Here in the UK I like .177 because it teaches you to make the shot count by being very accurate, and the flatter trajectory can take some guess work out of judging distance. after all a pellet through the brain or heart/lung means dead cleanly in any calibre but more skill is involved generally using .177. atb phil and I like the cut of your jib lol subscribed.

@Wingman115

8 жыл бұрын

+hunter100t thank you for the kind words and commenting.

Terrific Video! Thank You !