I learned a few new things today about scopes. Thank you, it seams the more I hear about scopes and zeroing them in. The more new snippets info that come out to keep me from pulling my hair out.

@americanairgunner

6 жыл бұрын

I hear ya @coinhound4...this stuff will drive ya nuts if you let it.

@lizchatfield692

3 жыл бұрын

Im 75yrs old shooting since 16yrs old learnt a lot from them.

Little dude is right. Dial your scope in at the highest magnification, and then back it off to wherever you prefer. That's always worked for me. I'm glad they answered the question about what if the elevation or windage ran out of clicks, because I've always wondered.

This segment is very informative. Thank you for the videos. I've been watching your channel and learned so much about airguns. I am a beginner in using airgun, and your videos are very helpful.

Great video! I like the panel discussion style

I learned a lot from this session.. Thanks guys..

Great information! I did not know and will definitely use the technique of zeroing in my scopes at their highest magnification. When I was a kid with my Pumpmaster and cheapest scope Kmart carried I never thought it would be so complicated. Explains why I missed so many squirrels, though.

Love this intelligent channel. Respect to all, JC

Thanks for all the useful information!

Absolutely Great talking Points guys !!! You answered Many Questions 👌🏽

These videos are awesome.

Thanks for the info guys I can't believe I didn't know it's beneficial to zero at highest magnification.

I just learned something, thanks.

Lots of valuable info and useful tips here, especially for beginners. About sighting-in the zoomers: since the cheaper scopes tend to "move" their crosshairs when zooming in/out, I'd say the sighting-in should be done at about the half-way of the zoom range (e.g. for the 4-16 scope, sighting-in should be made at the 9x or 10x magnification) or at the magnification you use most of the time...

@americanairgunner

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback and we love that you see value in our work.

Nice job... I like to start with mounting scope, center alignment, adjustment or zeroing scope, then doing shims if need be.

OK, great info. I zero in at 12 yards first. This makes it real damn easy. Try it. Then you can shoot at longer distances and only have to make height adjustments. So much easier to hold on at 12 yards.

@multi-transportationsystem11

3 жыл бұрын

Going to try your method I just purchased the Gamo swarm magnum .22 caliber

Very good video guys

Great advice cheers lads

Very helpful thank you 🙏

I'm an old fossil who grew up with open sights and therefore only need a dialed in scope with moa'a and that's it! For the rest of the new fancy settings I use my gut feel, which works well enough for me!

such a great video..

Great info.

Thank you Earth

I didn't click on the video to learn something... goshdanrit... I just wanted to watch a video.... now I learned something and will have to apply it the next time out... TNHSKA

Case in point on the turkey over the head comment. I use to compete at the National level in Archery. One aspect in competing is 3D. Your only dialed in to you impact point of the arrows, bows and scopes tuning. So. When the sight tape is added to the scope, all your impacts will coincide with the already known yardage. BUT! BUT! if a target comes under 10 yards, the sight setting is a surprise because of the scopes relationship to the arrow launcher. Just like what was said about the rifle scope to the barrel. On the completion bows I've used, example a 5 yard 3D animal was usually sight setting to 45-55 yard to hit the 10 ring at 5 yards.

Setting a scope up 101. Very simple and informative. Thanks from Sheffield UK ✌️🇬🇧

What Tyler means that a 2nd focal plane scope already zeroed at 25 yds at a given magnification at 10x but when you change the magnification to a lower setting, the poi changes! that's the beauty of a front focalplane scopes, it doesn't change!!! T

You guys completely left out a very important point. That is that when you change power settings on your rifle that will also effect your point of impact. Most airguns these days, (and also back in 2017 when this video was posted), are variable power so it would have been good to mention. Maybe a recap video??

Quick note when they talked about sighting in at highest magnification that only applies to second focal plane scopes, first focal plane cross hairs have the same point of impact at any magnification but they also cost wayyyyyy more than second focal plane, but I digress I have no clue if first focal plane scopes exist for airguns only firearms. The airgun world is still very foreign to me and price for some of the gear is what's holding me back from diving in.

@kturbo504

3 жыл бұрын

Element optics has a nice lineup of airgun ffp scopes now🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

thank you

Site in at highest magnification that really helped 👍

Hi , I have an mtc viper pro in 8-30x50. I may have tightened the cap screws too much on the rings when fitting the scope to my impact. I have adjustable rings on and I fired it at 50 yds. The left to right adjustment was way off and if I did not have the adjustable rings on I would not be able to zero it. Also I had to use all the elevation to zero it at 30 yds. By over tightening the rings do you think I could have damaged the scope. I have sent the scope back to mtc but it seems like they don't believe what I am saying.

Hey Mr. Chapman. I know the pellet starts dropping as soon as it leaves the barrel, but I think it may be correct to say that the pellet is rising, (if the gun is pointed up from horizontal of course), until it actually changes direction vertically at the apex of the arc. Shooting horizontal or down hill those, no rise, and that brings up a question of mine. What happens to the POI when shooting downhill if you sighted your gun in horizontally?

I hear you say "the vertical adjustment is too high and one runs out of tube stability. How does one know this??? I have 2 UTG 4-16X44 30mm Scope, AO and I would like to know how I can tell on these if I am at the top of my vertical adjustment?

This was usefull.

I thought parallax adjustment is especially important because of the relatively short distance in airgun shooting. I never really worried about parallax until I got a very accurate air rifle. I'm sure you cover it on another video. I enjoy American airgunner.

Highest magnification.. N what abt AO.. Do we need to set in a particular Yard Or keep it in the Zero yard for AO... Sorry guys am new to scopes..

whats a good scope with UTG features but better viewing angles? i feel like im looking through a tunnel using UTG scope

@americanairgunner

4 жыл бұрын

Hawke optics....find at americanairgunner.com

Does the eye piece contain a gas , I turn it left to right and was told not too because gas could escape

After shooting and sharing guns in the military, once the scope is in line with the barrel, its good for anyone. if the round is off, its the shooting basics and platform that causes off target shots. (based off the statement of the two buddies whos rounds are two inches off. Im dissapointed to hear this from such well known experts. if the gun is mechanically sound, then thats that. Otherwise video is saved, great info other than the above. especially zeroing at greatest magnification, that is a part of training that I missed.

@N71403

6 жыл бұрын

I mostly agree. My neighbor shoots my guns better than I do (we are normally talking a couple millimeters over 20 yards. But the point is well made... proper alignment and proper technique equate to great shooting for different people with the same gun.

I love my hawke scope

@americanairgunner

Жыл бұрын

No doubt. Great quality item.

any suggestions on an affordable .22 air gun scope?

@tedsell1455

4 жыл бұрын

Hawk or vortex

I use Strelok Pro Balistic calculator. It never miss the point.

I really hope the scope manufacturers will just focus on making the reticle and click value match each other in units. Most scope turret have a 1/4 MOA click value, yet more than often they are paired with a mil-dot reticle. It’s really hard to find one without such discrepancy unless you go to high-end price ranges. I understand that a 0.1 mil turret might be more costly to make than a 1/4 MOA one, but does it really cost that much more to equip an MOA reticle than a mil reticle?

@dukebeach1

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Why in the world are the turrets in MOA when there is a mil-dot reticle? It's liking having a gas tank gauge in a car that reads in liters when you go to fill up at the pump in gallons. So stupid. Try looking at an Athlon Argos BRT scope. Just under $400 and it is FFP with etched reticle and turret adjustments are in 1/10th mils. So, if you are off 1 mil dot while zeroing your scope, you simply adjust to 10 clicks and you are done. It is that simple. Why every mil-dot scope is not made that way is beyond me..

@AzAirgunner.

6 жыл бұрын

smartiejl *Aztec emerald* good scope $400 bucks. Solve all ur problems

@dukebeach1

6 жыл бұрын

Problem's already been solved with the Athlon Argos BTR 6-24 x 50mm (30mm tube). The Aztec looks like a great scope, but it still goes on the MOA turrets. What is the reticle? Is it a version of mil-dot? Is it etched? Is this a First Focal Plane scope? For hunting, FFP is crucial in my book. Your holdovers remain the same at the same yardage regardless of magnification.

@dustincurtis8229

6 жыл бұрын

BeachGunner do u have to get a ffp scope to get the MIL dots on the reticle to zoom in when u zoom ur scope in? The only MIL dot scope I have looks the exact same no matter what the magnification is on. Yes it's a cheaper scope.

@dukebeach1

6 жыл бұрын

Dustin, yes, that is correct. In FFP scopes, the reticle is in front of the erector tube nearest the ocular bell. In SFP scope, the reticle is behind the erector tube, nearer the eye piece. SFP mil dots will always be spaced the same no matter what your magnification. It's not that SFP scopes are cheap or cheaper. Some are very expensive due to the glass and other features. It just comes down to what do you do with your scope? If you hunt or target shoot and use mil dots to call your drop and wind calls at various distances, then I think a FFP will serve you better.

Parallax? Focal plane?

Is it still relevant with today's scopes to get one rated for air guns?

@americanairgunner

5 жыл бұрын

Yes....very much so! There’s a big difference between air gun scopes and firearm scopes

💡The main reason one person's bullseye is different from another person's bullseye is: Everyone does NOT know how to keep their gun level when shooting😂 That will 100% make the shot land to the left or right of the target when the shooter leans left or right👍👍👍

@americanairgunner

2 жыл бұрын

Eyesight is different as well. Lots of little things add up to one big miss.

Is there a scope out there that will hold up on 25 and 30cal springers??????????

@EarthSurferUSA

5 жыл бұрын

I have the Hatsan .30 springer, and am having good luck with the "UTG True Hunter 3-9x40", (made by Leaper I believe), after trashing a Vortex scope, (several hundred shots through both). I got it from Pyramyd air for 99 bucks, (comes with good weaver mounts). It has an adjustable eye piece, a adjustable optic lens, locking turrets, and illuminated reticle's, (36 colors, 34 of them worthless IMO). The elevation and windage adjustments are not super precise, but once you get it dialed in, it seems to hold zero pretty well from day to day. It is advertised boldly, "Will hold up to any springer air gun.". For that price with good mounts, I think you will be pretty satisfied.

The ballistic charts are wonderful... I use the Hawke and the “ shooters calculator “. However, how do I figure the ballistic coefficient of the pellet/ slug I am using?

@mrhalfstep

6 жыл бұрын

Neal, I think that Chairgun actually lists the BC of many of the more popular pellets.

Shimming a scope says something about the guy whos carrying the air rifle ! If you are sighting in at 25-35 yards (typical hunting or target range) it will never be needed, but if you need to be shooting at something less than 10-15 feet (if its brown its down & if it fly's it dies) well now that's a different story. I shimmed mine 😂

So I have a BB gun that does 800 fps and I have a Mossberg scope on it and sometimes it hits dead on and other times not even close what is the best idea to do

@sscobrasss

4 жыл бұрын

Do a grob if it still not acuret the problm is in the rifle

@edchesnut7309

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget that a BB can do a fine emulation of a baseball curve pitch. Fully spherical projectiles are not known for stable ballistics.

I swear i keep moving it farther away😅 form the pellot hole, mine is landing down 5 inches and to the right 4 inches..so im moving thebcemter of the scopebdown andbto the right correct? I ts doing the opposite..tell me im dumb bit tell me what im doing wrong

@americanairgunner

5 ай бұрын

You’re doing it all backwards.

@goatman702

5 ай бұрын

@@americanairgunner so left is right and down is up on the dial?

I am starting a golden age veterans shooting team . we are all old combat vets and at first a lot of my buddy's thought I was nuts .well I live 4 miles from crosman in Bloomfeild so I called there custom shop and ended up with a 2300s with the lw barrel .wow it turned heads . now what I would like to make is what rifle do you think would be good for as team of us old timers .I am 71 We would be doing the golden age games on federal grounds .vetetan affairs hosptails .I am guessing maybe 10 rifles so cost is kinda concern .we are a 503 c3. Org .but then kinda asked me to check it out .we are a group 1600 member strong and do drive for funding .not looking for any hand outs just info please .I watch America Air gunner a lot 👍I thank you Respectfully Tim

Some scopes have a “Parallax” adjustment allowing 3 yard to infinity focus.

@americanairgunner

2 жыл бұрын

Never seen one that goes that low, but I am sure they could make one.

@Digital_Photog1995

2 жыл бұрын

@@americanairgunner Here is one with that capability: The UTG 3-9x32mm Bug Buster Rifle Scope w/ Illuminated Reticle features a revolutionary structural system that delivers one of the toughest, most durable scopes you've ever beheld. The UTG 3-9X32 Compact Bug Buster Scope is rain-proof, fog-proof, completely sealed and nitrogen-filled to perform in any weather. The UTG 3-9x32mm Bug Buster Riflescope features emerald-coated lenses for crystal-clear views and maximum light transmission. This scope will keep you on target with its premium zero-lockable and zero-resettable finger-adjustable target turrets. The UTG 3-9x32 Compact Bug Buster Scope with Rings and Sunshade has a range-estimating illuminated Mil-Dot reticle to help you figure your holdover; a side-wheel adjustment lets you switch between two different colors for the illuminated reticle. The Riflescope features extra long eye relief for comfortable and safe use on a variety of different rifle calibers, and adjustable parallax that ranges all the way from 3 yards close range to hundreds of yards long Length: inch X Shipping Length: inch X Shipping Length: 2.7 inch X

I call B.S on the zeroing of scopes in this discussion. Zeroing at the highest power with a single focal plane scope may work, but not with a double focal plane scope. Magnification will change your zero point in regard to POI. You can "Google" the reasons why and I cannot explain enough in this post, but no. Changing magnification will change your zero, POI. Thanks Mr. Gaylord, but you're wrong in this, and I can have you shoot to prove it. Also, many mfg.'s combine MOA and milli-radians. MOA (Minutes of Angle - US yards) and the other in Milli-Radians (metric distance measurements). By combining the two in a single scope does not allow for a 4 click single dot adjustment at every turn concerning the "crosshairs", nor at varying magnifications in the dual focal plane scopes. I call "Bolshevik" on all this. HAWK combines a Mil-Dot reticle with an MOA adjustment, and is not practical for dot sight adjustments by clicks easily. One needs a calculator or very good math skills to determine clicks verses mil-dot adjustments to make a hit accurately at POA verses POI. This is exactly why the US military uses mil-dot scopes so as to match and integrate with European military sighting systems. The U.S. military uses the metric system to range and sight in on targets.

@TheWingnut58

4 жыл бұрын

You have no friggin clue what you're talking about....MOA has NOTHING whatsoever to do with "yards" (1 MOA is NOT exactly an inch at 100 yards) and milli-radians has nothing to do with the damned metric system.....they are BOTH systems of measuring segments of an arc, PLEASE educate yourself.....maybe start here gundigest.com/explained-mil-miliradian-and-minute-of-angle And there is no such thing as a "double focal plane scope".....only "first focal plane" or "second focal plane".....and everything they stated in the video is absolutely correct. And, the military uses the metric system to range etc because it's a "10 based system" and is easier to teach people who still have to use there toes and fingers as calculators....but seriously, the metric system is easier to teach and communicate to the lowest common denominator....

Sorry you missed discussing scope rails, the different kinds of rails and how to eliminate scopes popping off. Also no mention of red dot optics.

It's funny that I have always zeroed my gun at the highest-or next to highest-magnification.

@mrhalfstep

6 жыл бұрын

The main reason for that is because you can see more easily how much you missed by. It's just easier to adjust for a 1/2 inch miss if 1 inch looks like it is 4 inches long.

@1:38 Who the F would pick up someone's rifle and start turning knobs on the scope? WTF?

@jamesbach2021

3 жыл бұрын

Somebody who wants a size 12 boot up their posterior!

If it’s this complicated and this expensive to get a scope rather keep on using open sights

Cool my FX has a Hawk

Straight is straight scopes don't shoot different for different people. People hold the gun different, twisted to the side or don't get their eye directly behind it. If it shoots different someone isn't actually lining their eye up with the scope

@americanairgunner

11 ай бұрын

Correct

I'm new to scopes. So this will sound stupid to most of you. ..... on the adjustment it shows an arrow for the direction arrow L. Now if I am shooting and hitting to the right of the aim point do I adjust the cross hairs to the right or to the left. (bring impact to cross hair, or cross hair to impact point?) ...... I must be doing it wrong, because it starts out looking like the impact on follow up shots have gotten closer to the aim point, but then they stay in the same area all the time, or the impact point can't be found! So what I need to know is do I adjust to the right or to the left with the clicks on the scope? (there were no instructions on the scope as I got it used)

@mrhalfstep

6 жыл бұрын

Think of it this way. You just took a shot. If you keep your gun where it was when you shot, then you now know where the barrel is pointed. If the impact point is to the right of where your cross hairs are then you need to move the cross hairs over to the impact point(That's where to barrel is pointing, remember) To do that you turn the windage adjustment in the "L" direction. What you will actually see if you do this while looking through the scope is the cross hairs will move over to the hole, but they will be moving to your RIGHT. If you can vise your gun or weight it down with sand bags or something, this is actually the easiest way to sight in a rifle. Fire three shots then turn whichever knobs you have to in order to move the cross hairs over to the center of the group you just shot. Now your scope is aiming at where your gun is hitting. You don't even have to be that concerned about which way to turn the knob because you will watch the cross hairs move closer to the group or, if you chose wrong, farther away from the group, at which point you simply stop and go the other way. No biggie ! I hope this helps.

@dockmasterted

6 жыл бұрын

OK! ....Thanks a bunch John!

@ralstonraz

6 жыл бұрын

John mony perfect!!!!!! I second this.

@veerapf

3 жыл бұрын

John mony bought my first air rifle (Gamo CFX Royal) along with a Gamo scope 3-9x40EG. I have the exact scenario and when I turn the nob in the direction of L I don’t see the cross hairs moving to the RIGHT. Guess it’s manufacturing defect and have asked for a replacement. Hope the new one works correctly. My other 2 qstns...1) what if the impact area is to the right, can we do a reverse L turn? I guess we can, but since it’s not mentioned wanna check. 2) I have no clue why there are red and green illuminations...to see the cross hairs clearly? I thought we need to see the target clearly :)

Tengo el problema de que el (scope)esta todo a la derecha. Mañana le ajustare la base. Gracias.

@americanairgunner

2 жыл бұрын

Your welcome

Why arent there like 1 mil subs right now

parrallex?

Can you buy an rifle scope from a gun store and use it as an air rifle scope ?

@mrhalfstep

6 жыл бұрын

Nathan, you can sometimes. If your gun is a CO2 gun or a multipump or any sort of gun that stores gas or air( which is a gas ,also) and then releases it to fire the pellet out of the barrel, then that gun can use a scope for a "real" gun. I'll call it a firearm scope. The pellet guns I just mentioned don't recoil or buck or jump or move around violently like a firearm does when the powder explodes so the guts of the gun can take it. Now if you are shooting a different kind of air gun where you cock the barrel to compress a big spring inside the gun, then you probably don't what to use a firearm scope. The reason is because when that spring shoots forward when you pull the trigger it makes the gun shake forward and backward, forward and backward, real fast, over and over until the spring settles down. Firearm scopes, even some really expensive ones, can't handle that two way shakin' and jumpin' and the guts come loose inside. The more powerful that type of air gun is ( called a spring piston or gas piston or nitro piston gun) the more likely it is to break the scope. There are other things to consider as well but not holding up to the double recoil is the main thing that keeps you from using a firearm scope on an airgun. Hope that helps.

No talk about mm? :o(

I want a coffee mug like the ones on your table. Where can I get one?

@americanairgunner

6 жыл бұрын

We aren't able to get those any longer unfortunately. Umarex Airguns has this one: www.umarexusa.com/products/umarex-mug

@Groover1502

6 жыл бұрын

I've been trying to find one for FX Airguns but no luck. It's was the shape of the that mug that I really liked and have not been able to locate either. Thanks though. I really enjoy your videos and look forward for the next one.

@mrhalfstep

6 жыл бұрын

Could we get one of those full of piping hot coffee poured on DrJones below? Maybe it would adjust his unhelpful attitude or at least prevent him from using run on sentences.

Good video but no real detail on adjustable objectives on scopes which have been around for years now and crucial for pin point accuracy airgun shooting... and a rather handy range finding tool as well.

Light weight easy to remove and dump

What Tyler mean as " mechanics of internals inside the scope " are between the ffp & sfp ( firs or front focal plane & second focal plane scopes!!! as for me nothing beats the front focal plane scopes!!!

you didn't talk about parallax, which is what air gunners deal with the must

AO??

@whiff1962

6 жыл бұрын

Adjustable Objective. A feature which allows on to crisply focus on one's target, based on the distance from that object and the scope's respective distance marking for that distance. A feature that enhances accuracy, based on the physics of light traveling through glass.

@dukebeach1

6 жыл бұрын

Adjustable Objective. Simply, you can focus the image at various distances. Non-AO scopes are focused at a set distance, usually 100 yards and are primarily used for centerfire rifles.

@monkpato

6 жыл бұрын

It wasn't discussed at all!

@tylerpatner6591

6 жыл бұрын

It was actually, but for some reason it didn't make the final cut....

@americanairgunner

6 жыл бұрын

Pesky editors... we'll have to go back and snag that and get it up!

A lot of second Focal Plane talk.

Sold a ton of scopes from various manufacturers (Tasco to Zeiss) over the years. Trying to explain everything there is to know about the optic you are selling is an almost impossible task. Even basic adjustments are far too complex for truly simple explanations.

Gaylord knows his stuff

Nobody mentioned parallax adjustment? Come on guys! lol

Use mildots

@americanairgunner

2 жыл бұрын

What do you use when you run out of mildots?

I don't think you guys addressed the parallax adjustment.

How to reset a scope to factory settings

That graphic got it exactly wrong.

@dustincurtis8229

6 жыл бұрын

ElizaberthUndEugen that's funny. It's not wrong but I can see why u would think that. Look at it a lil closer and think about when u sight ur scope. To get to 60yds u will have to arch the pellet. If u don't then it won't make it 60 yards and hit the bull's-eye.

@ElizaberthUndEugen

6 жыл бұрын

no, the pellet is coming out of the barrel an an angle I mean. Which is the "pellet rise" that doe snot exist that they talk about.

@mrhalfstep

6 жыл бұрын

You are right. They should have taken more care with the graphic. The gun is level and the pellet starts going up in the air like an escaping canary as soon as it leaves the barrel. I don't care who ya are, you gotta call that "pellet rise". The proper image would have had the barrel of the gun pointing up at the same angle that the pellet is moving. Good catch. I missed it the first time I watched.

@hunter100t

6 жыл бұрын

Its just a rough sketch, but the description is spot on, lighten up.

@senatorjosephmccarthy2720

5 жыл бұрын

@@mrhalfstep , good explanation. Thanks for the teaching, because many might get confused by the error.

A 25yd basement.? You have to much money

@EarthSurferUSA

5 жыл бұрын

I celebrate the achievement of others who make great money in what is left of our free market. Do you think man should suffer and live in poverty? I am sure you will not understand this today, but it is our individual liberty to make money in our free market that got mankind out of poverty, (the factory specifically) and created civility. Do you know what people traded with before money? Blood. If we demonize people who make money in our free market, (not stealing, but providing something of value to somebody else, and trading), how do we ever expect to get out of poverty? The only people who have too much money, are those who basically stole it from those who produced something of value.

@itsnotom

5 жыл бұрын

Wtf did that have to do with my comment?? Your a freak

OK conversation but too much interruption from each other. Some of the points, i was like, oh yeah, starting to understand, then it was interrupted and went to another area.

@americanairgunner

2 жыл бұрын

Natural conversations can be hard like that.

That or you just need glasses and practice to MAN UP BABY BOYS!

sad nobody mentioning gaylord anymore

@senatorjosephmccarthy2720

5 жыл бұрын

He was asked 15 questions. They were interrupting so incessantly probably nobody could tell.

Why don’t you all talk over each other?🙈

I hate the speaker. he comes across as rude and over-bearing.

@Andy-413

4 жыл бұрын

You HATE him? Jeez. He's not the rude one, bud. LOL. You're probably not a pleasant person to be around, are you?

all talk, none sense!

Too many spoiled wimpys. If you need anything more than a good set of irons or a cheap but clear scope that holds zero for 100yrds or less hunting and/or not comp. Target then your a spoiled wimpy mon''' Sorry thats how i see it.

@senatorjosephmccarthy2720

5 жыл бұрын

Send photos of your trophy's.

Did you say GAYLORD ???