All good, but, we also need to consider that the examples were charry-picked by Runway, and we don't know how many attempts they made with the same prompt before they got those results. That said, as a paying member of Runway, I look forward to trying it out. Nice to see Haiper in there (also a member) doing good work, when their unlimited plan is about a third the cost (but they don't have lip sync or motion brush capacity either). Incidentally, check out some of my AI vides on my channel to see what someone with an MFA in studio art does with the medium. A bit more of an experimental approach with fine art flavors.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Checked out your channel. Legitimately brilliant work!! I think you're right about the cherry-picked results, and yes, these tools are still a long way from being "there". I think, in reality, the next evolution of entertainment that audiences really latch on to, will be anything that is still surprising. The novelty of AI is definitely wearing off for most people, and we're less and less surprised by AI generated content. I think this means the biggest surprises (entertainment) will come from a blend of AI and reality, where human performers use AI in a way that lets them do something they otherwise couldn't do... it's the next evolution of CGI.

@Repossessionn

25 күн бұрын

Very disappointed how gen 3 /pricing for it is. Bought standard to try and only 1/2 clips are okay.

@artvsmachine3703

25 күн бұрын

@@Repossessionn Yeah, unless you pay for unlimited, the pricing is very high. I mostly just use Runway for lip-syncing, which it does better than anything else I've found. Sometimes the motion brush as well if I want to force AI to give me something usable. The best value I've found is Haiper's unlimited sub, which is $30 or $35 (I forget) a month.

@Repossessionn

24 күн бұрын

@@artvsmachine3703 I appreciate the reply! thank u

Really appreciated this comparison video, and your excitement for the personal control of video-to-video was enlightening, as I hadn't fully considered the value of that method until now. Great video. :)

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Thanks very much. Yep, video to video, watch this space, if it catches on it'll give me far more control over "human" performances than text to video or image to video.

Fantastic video, exactly what I was looking for!! Subscribed!

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Heyyyy, thanks very much indeed 😁😁😁

We can’t rely on the prompt they have publicly it’s probably marketing.. in order to get zoom and panning you have to type ( dolly in/out) in the prompt itself.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Really god point. I think, in time, we will start to see more and more of the bits that have been metaphorically glued and taped together with digital gaffa tape.

00:40 So spot on about Sora still in the fitting room 😂

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

I confess, I had fun whipping up those images 😁😁

Just this morning I was wishing for just this comparison- and then bang! There you are. Thank you!

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Heyyyyy! Thanks :-) With your Tai Chi channel you should REALLY check out video to AI video tools, I think you'd have some fun with those ;-) If you're up for the experiment, have a play with: - Kaiber.ai - Domoai.app - Haiper.ai - LensGo.ai

as a producer and artist i've been using gen3 for real world artistic purposes. My most recent single's music video was created with gen3 and for the first time ever it's actually worth it. I spent about $30 in credits. I couldn't get anything usable out of Luma, Pikalabs, or Gen2 personally. I'll be making more music videos with it if anyone wants to follow along

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Well done! I think music videos give artists more control over their visual presentations, it's a great use of AI tools. No music producer can afford to hire filmmakers to create videos for every song they produce, and visualisers have become the default alternative to a traditional "music video".

Great video analysis, wonderful job Haydn! Thanks.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Hey @sandro-nigris thanks very much. Really appreciate it 😀😀

You made exactly the review I wanted to watch. thanks.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

20 күн бұрын

Heyyyy! Thanks very much :-) glad to be of service :-)

Thank you - this is what I was looking for...the comparison of the programs!

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

20 күн бұрын

Thanks very much. It got my curiosity going, so I hoped there’d be others out there wondering the same things as me :-)

@bloxyman22

15 күн бұрын

Remember these vidoes used for runway gen-3 is the best ones cherrypicked by runway themselves.

Hopefully, Runway Gen-3 can deliver results that justify the subscription cost

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. The huge drawback with all these tools isn't just the monthly cost, but it's like a gambling addiction. Every generation is a roll of the dice, and the user is the one that carries all the risk of a long, string of failed results. I wouldn't mind the costs so much if the results were a little more guaranteed.

Great review!! Thanks. Runway is a clear winner. Would be great if they added the future of input initial image like Luma do.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

10 күн бұрын

I agree. I’ve just run the same, six prompts in Kling, and it’s proving an incredibly helpful benchmark series for testing. Hopefully uploading the results by Monday. Still a couple of other tests to run.

@ErnestKostAI

10 күн бұрын

@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker I recently ran a lot of generations from image input in gen-2 instead of gen-3 and got pretty good results, actually. Made the whole music video with it :)

Really amazing video 👍. I am your new subsciber datasciency.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Thanks very much @datasciency, glad to have you along for the journey :-)

Great comparison Haydn! Yeah from the release I'm exclusively using LUMA's Dream Machine until we get Gen3... All the others have to catch on or be left out of the run... Cheers good friend, as always great video!!!

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Cheers, bud! Hey, have you signed up for a paid plan or are you winging it with the freebie version?

@BinaryFrameProductions

Ай бұрын

@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker I'm in the pro plan since the start, its the only way I can keep up with a video every week and shorts almost everyday...

@alwilliams8196

Ай бұрын

​@@BinaryFrameProductions On the PRO tier, How long does DreamMachine take to render 1 clip?

@BinaryFrameProductions

Ай бұрын

@@alwilliams8196 really fast… 2 or 3 minutes

Great comparison video. Thanks for sharing! 💫

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Hey, Tasha, thanks very much indeed :-)

Great thoughts and insights on the differences between the generators!

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Thanks, Mike 😁

Great comparison video 🍻 Until Gen 3 proper appears Luma wears the crown 👑

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Thanks very much :-) In fairness, I should have ended on the same point. You’re right, at this stage Gen-3 is still one step away from being a glorified White Paper

great video, love the variety

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Thanks very much :-)

Nice video, there is also the Chinese Kling AI which seems close to the Runway Alpha 3 League track, perhaps just a few steps below

@evacuatedspace6946

Ай бұрын

Do you know where we can find kling users' videos?

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

You're not the first person to correctly point out that Kling should have had a specific name-drop shoutout in this video :-)

I agree, that video to video is the real challenge that will help filmmakers!

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Absolutely, that's the arena that I'm really hoping to see more of.

❤ Hare Krišna 🍀🍂🧡🎉

Nice Comparison and thank god the video is not unnecessarily stretched to 15 min. subbed 👍

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the Sub and thanks for noticing. It's a deliberate effort to get to the point and get there quickly :-)

nice video! its crazy just how advanced runway gen 3 seems to be! i hope they release it soon! kinda infuriating they didnt give us an actual date lol luma def right now seems to be the "best" video tool out until gen3 tho lol

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Agree entirely. For now, an AI bird in the hand (Luma) is definitely worth two or more AI birds in the bush (Sora, Kling, Runway Gen-3)

Runway still the best & smooth for video.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

23 күн бұрын

Thanks. Do you have any links to anything you've created with Runway?

I was a beta tester for Runway in it's early days and I 100% agree with you, we needs a vid2vid model. I am creating a couple of stories, and I want to be able to act out the characters stories and use the ai to bring me into that world and to truly become on of my characters. Runway was the only one true vid2vid imho since the beginning, haiper has brought us the repaint tool and it has been quite impressive in my tests. but I'm waiting on that next level, better facial recognition and animation. i tend to lose a lot of my original performance in some of the other AI tools out there. Runway seems like the closest to this right now.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

It sounds like you and I are aiming for exactly the same thing. I share the same frustrations with trying to get the same results as you.

Why doesn't anyone talk about the video resolution? Is it 4K or what? Isn't the most important thing here is accuracy?

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

29 күн бұрын

Exactly!! I’ve been editing my next video and saying exactly the same thing.

I tried out Gen3 today, but unfortunately it didn't come out as I had imagined. It's a shame, but I think they still need a bit of training. In any case, Gen3 is very fast. With Luma you need a lot of patience.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Yeah, they definitely still have their upsides and downsides. The real risk of amazing marketing shots is that our expectations are so sky-high that when the tool finally arrives for general release, we're all left deflated and disappointed.

Haiper ai makes anime with stunning cinematic view

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip, I'll go check that out. I do love Haiper.ai, but I've been looking at photorealism rather than anime. I'll check it out :-)

Gen 3 is out now!!!

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

When I finished editing this video I could feel it in my bones that we'd end up with access to Gen-3 sooner rather than later. Have you used it? So far it seems to have some incredible upsides, coupled with some costly stings in the tail.

This good for short music video 😊😊😊

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more. If you use it carefully and imaginatively, you could really bring a whole new level of dazzle to a music video!

Any idea when Runway Gen 3 will be available?

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Haven’t heard anything on the grapevine yet.

You were supposed to regenerate the Runway prompts

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

27 күн бұрын

I shot this video before Gen3 was released, so I wasn’t able to do anything actually within Runway at that point, which is why the only comparison I could do was using the existing prompts in other tools. It would be a really interesting test now to see if the same prompts returned similar results.

Runway Gen3 hasn't "come out of the fitting room" either.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY! Touche 😂😂😂

You look like Joseph Lawrence from The Handmaid's Tale

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

That's hilarious!! I had to look him up. I guess without realising it I'm merging into the territory of generic, middle-aged, grey haired white guy. I think I need to line myself up some auditions for old wizards! :-)

great comparison... runway will be better then luma, they have great model for any style and control of all parameters.... luma love lots of camera movement but have no control over the camera and movement parameters, hope they fix it soon

@artvsmachine3703

Ай бұрын

True. Sometimes Runway's motion brush is the only way I can get a decent animation that doesn't go overboard.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

I'd LOVE a tool that gives me guaranteed camera movements, but that would probably require a gaming engine, enhanced with AI.

@artvsmachine3703

Ай бұрын

@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker Runway has zooming, panning, or rotating sliders... I haven't used them much because whenever I've tried it the results were berzerk. But it's supposed to work.

Kling is coming to beat them all like midjourney

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Let's see. The samples look impressive, but I think we're all starting to get used to the impressive first results being a little less impressive when we try to use them in real life.

And Kling?

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

I should have given one of the AI King robots a "Kling" badge too because they're definitely another potential "Sora-killer"

A kinda that the top one is Coke and the bottom ones Pepsi. 🤔

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Brilliant analogy 😂

But Gen-3 isn't here yet as well. We only have marketing material. Remember Davon? Where is ist after the huge hype. We should be much more carefull with these AI related announcements. Lets wait until it's really here and then talk about it.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. It's so easy to get sucked into the hype around white papers and test footage, but I agree, they're not usable tools until they're released. That said, I think it's important to keep one eye on the horizon for an early sign of what may be coming.

yeah agree wheres video to video? AI doesnt understand text well so we need video to video

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

23 күн бұрын

Absolutely. Have you seen this video yet? I've started using Domo.ai for video to video because the results are really impressive (at least, as impressive as anything AI ever is at this point). kzread.info/dash/bejne/n4udz9iul6TTfso.html

@pascal5142

21 күн бұрын

@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker yeah i mean its clearly unusable still. but as soon as the nvidia blackwell cards are in everyones hands 8x the compute from those for AI. Then video will be feasible.

I ran ‘an astronaut running through an alley in Rio de Janeiro’ through Runway 3 times and none anywhere as useable as that one showcased. Man, so tired of so many Ai image creators showcasing best of best as if those results are standard. Never even close when I run.

@fusionplaylistx

Ай бұрын

They be cherry picking which is pissing me off

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Agree entirely 100%. AI is still like an impressive wild horse that looks amazing but is incredibly difficult to control.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

I suspect you're right.

Kaiber doesnt have text to video generator

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

We may be using different versions of Kaiber to each other. All the examples from Kaiber in my video were created with text to video.

Krea AI ,dreamina ai, kling ai, sora ai

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Thanks, I’ll add them to the list 😁

I can't wait for the entire movie industry to be replaced by AI models that will create whatever I want, whenever I want, and with much better writing, "acting", and quality.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

That's certainly the perspective that terrifies lots of actors and writers, but in my experience so far with AI tools, we're looking at a future where Hollywood, actors, writers, directors, filmmakers etc are ENHANCED by AI tools rather than REPLACED by them. That said, I think AI should allow content to be created for smaller, niche audiences, so that we all get to see more of what "we" want, rather than what Hollywood wants to present to us.

@stefanandrejevic2570

Ай бұрын

I don't

LUMA gives me better results every time

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

26 күн бұрын

That seems to be a growing trend. I keep seeing really impressive results from LUMA

It's Twitter, not X

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Tbh I rarely use it any more, but I can tell that you're struggling with the avalanche of content calling it X.

@elektra81516

Ай бұрын

@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker The only thing I struggle with is understanding why any sane person would still call it X.

Until they publish GEN3 and SORA this is all just empty promises in my book. Why not let us try it if it's so good.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

I agree. At least LUMA is allowing people to get hands-on.

We might never see Sora at all, at least for now, because they have a huge IP problem and you can’t copyright the end results. I’m explaining this to you because you’re from the industry and unlike most of KZreadrs who don’t understand how the film industry works, you do understand it. I’ve been paid several times by several AI companies who were training their models on footage I have on Pond5, Getty and Shutterstock, one of them was openAI, however, I never gave them permission to use our footage (awe just received a letter with a long explanation and nothing more), so imagine if they did this with a mega corporation…..like KZread…..that’s why it is not being released, and I think lately there’s been a wokeness about IP and copyright matters. People don’t understand that to own copyright you must’ve done or contributed at least 70% of the final product, and prompting a shot, a full scene or an entire film is less than 1% of the end result. However, with img2img, things even up to 50%, which is also not enough to get your copyright papers, and be able to license your film in the markets. This is why OpenAI failed when they came to LA to show us Sora. We can’t use tools that can’t produce footage not acceptable by the copyright office. We had a product that we presented last year, and it took 6 months for the copyright office in LA to study our case and finally decline us the copyright…..this is serious sh*t, but because AI is handled by amateurs and KZreadrs who never worked in the industry, nobody seems to care it, for example, you can’t use songs made by AI because you can’t copyright them. ASCAP is becoming increasingly annoying by addressing this over and over, and they are giving free support for musicians to understand this problem, and it will continue this way until either the Supreme Court, or the Congress passes a bill outlining with extreme details the commercial usage of AI….Typos by iOS.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

That's an incredibly important insight! You're the first and only person I've come across who has actually received royalties from an AI company for Stock Library footage. You're absolutely right about the copyright issue, it's not at all widely known, and I didn't realise Open AI was received badly in Hollywood recently when they went to charm industry heavyweights with the potential of Sora. It's an incredible challenge for me trying to move my film project forward as a creative, whilst also researching and staying on top of AI news at the same time, so I haven't kept an eye on, say, Hollywood Reporter for updates about the Sora meetings. Really appreciate your perspective.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

So, where does that leave video-to-vdeo? Presumably the copyright is a little different if you have human actors creating movement performance and voiceover performance?

Why do you wnat vidoe to video?

@artvsmachine3703

Ай бұрын

I would imagine that makes lip-syncing very easy, for example. You could model angles you wanted for shots quite easily. Could have a lot of practical applications.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Video to AI Video has the potential for authentic, human movement and the ability to direct human actors. Check out this video where I compare several video to video tools using a test scene that I shot with a human actress: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eKSGpq6yiMadirw.html

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. I think video to video will always be more "human" and realistic. I think it has enormous potential shooting music videos where you can enhance the performers rather than try to replace them.

I was expecting you to do the bare minimum and actually try these products before comparing them.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

28 күн бұрын

I uploaded this video days before Gen3 was released to the public and only had the sample prompts to work from. I’ve realised I’m going to need to start dating videos so people have an idea about whether the information is out of date or not. It’s one of the challenges of an industry that is changing on almost a weekly basis.

@wilburdemitel8468

28 күн бұрын

@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker Alright, apologies.

In Luma, you can see the generated model before you buy, but ranway doesn't have this feature. So I don't want to buy this pig in a poke.

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

Ай бұрын

I'm afraid I can't comment on poking pigs, but I agree entirely, Gen-3 (which I've started using since I made this video) is extremely risky and expensive to use. Presumably Runway will introduce some kind of preview at some point, but you're right, at the moment it stings to use Gen-3.

Runway really looks cool

@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker

29 күн бұрын

In fairness, it really does look cool, overall. Of course, I was right, since I uploaded this video, days later it was released to the rest of us and even through the results are mixed, in balance, they’re still impressive.

@TheTblac

28 күн бұрын

@@HaydnRushworth-Filmmaker I enjoyed using Mid-Journey and Night Cafe for image generation. I will definitely try out Luma and Runway