***Put the raw chicken in the salad.***

@pewok5482

2 жыл бұрын

fr

@ikusA74

2 жыл бұрын

What

@astrogod_

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Chef. 🗿

@quetzacotls4555

2 жыл бұрын

Hello mr. b2studios, i didnt watched the whole video, but i read a thesis years ago about the winning strategy in monopoly. I know it was published in german. She (i think it was a she) also tested their hypothesis by neural networks and (i am not totally sure, but...) found other strategies. As far, as i remember: the value of trains/power plant and the most expensive street was valued way lower than in your result. sincerely greetings

@NoWayPlays1

2 жыл бұрын

What why please no

"Buy the browns" Was this AI perhaps engineered in the 1800's

@mr.context3872

Жыл бұрын

It did spend 1600 years playing monopoly

@imbasing

Жыл бұрын

@@istrafive371 you’re just too sensitive, not too far.

@basic-demigirl

Жыл бұрын

Yeah sheesh

@notnot9476

Жыл бұрын

@@istrafive371 bro what?

@spiralspark8523

Жыл бұрын

@@istrafive371 the joke was written in comical criticism of the buying of slaves. If it was jokingly making light of buying slaves you would still be sensitive, but at least then you would have a tiny bit of ground

You should make an AI that all of a sudden stands up, cusses out the other AI, and flips the board over. Keep it random.

@martingamer7239

2 жыл бұрын

make it so the last place gets extra chance to do that

@donjulio1033

2 жыл бұрын

This is me after we've been playing for like 5 hours with no end in sight

@kronikclubby3289

2 жыл бұрын

it wouldn't feel that random after a short while

@Salmonslopper

2 жыл бұрын

100% win rate

@TheNickjhaight

2 жыл бұрын

#DaneCook

As a seasoned monopoly player, the power of the brown set is one only the true connoisseurs know

@sonicmastersword8080

5 ай бұрын

Its best use is for denying players their Go money, followed by hoarding houses.

@theratking6249

5 ай бұрын

light blues are peak. same cheap price, more reward.

@Fluffykunn

4 ай бұрын

If I'm honest, the moment i can but the brown and blue spots I will sell everything else and dump everything into them. Statistically speaking its the best spot to screw everyone over lol

@jitsmapper4438

4 ай бұрын

@@Fluffykunnyou're not speaking statistically

@GTron13

4 ай бұрын

The browns and light blues are the "Hail Mary" properties. They might not win you the game all the time but it can cause chaos; especially if ppl land on them after passing GO.

Being a railroad tycoon is my go too strategy in Monopoly. You can't build property on them and are scattered so plenty of people don't see it as a threat, makes for easier trades. But when you get 3 or 4 they can be debilitating, especially if someone has the misfortune of landing on multiple in a turn.

@ApostleO

7 ай бұрын

"Congrats, you passed Go! But, you landed on my railroad again, so I'll be taking that $200 you just earned..." Every. Damn. Time. It's like you added a second, less flexible Income Tax.

@jerbear7952

5 ай бұрын

I pretend I want them and trade them off "reluctantly".

@treysonmcgrady4750

4 ай бұрын

Same with the utilities. High rolls on those from opposing players can be a nifty income source.

@kurtlindner

3 ай бұрын

Railroads and utilities are every strategic player's first goal.

@charallave1000

12 күн бұрын

My family and I have been playing for some years now, and we know the power of the railroad. If you get 3 or 4 you get ahead so quickly that you kinda win the game before bankrupting anyone. Classic.

When you get jailed in the early turns "Man i hate this game" When you get jailed in the later turns "Thank god"

@mochac.3143

2 жыл бұрын

Why is this comment so accurate

@etaorionis9339

2 жыл бұрын

That’s why people I usually play with have collectively agreed that you shouldn’t collect rent while in jail. It’s completely broken to just sit in jail and get all the benefits of rent.

@Tumbleflop

2 жыл бұрын

@@etaorionis9339IMO; Any rent that would be collected while a player is in jail should be put in the middle, collected when landing on "free parking".

@PerpetualSmile

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tumbleflop We do some of that, but you have to be careful with putting too many things in the pot for free parking. Can get to the point where whoever land on it pretty much wins the game

@AppleSauceGamingChannel

2 жыл бұрын

@@etaorionis9339 It models the fiscal paradise model of actual monopolistic capitalism. Reap all the benefits and pay none of the obligations

I wanna see a full game with this AI against humans in discord.

@loik1loik1

2 жыл бұрын

I will literally make an alt account, subscribe and watch all of his videos if he does this

@thegreatautismo224

2 жыл бұрын

won't take long

@0eggs-

2 жыл бұрын

yes

@b2stud

2 жыл бұрын

The AI isn’t guaranteed to win (since monopoly is so random) but it would be fun to see it’s tactics in game

@davidebic

2 жыл бұрын

@@b2stud yes please all your subs want this as a christmas gift xD

“Buy the browns” 16th century Colonial powers: “hold up let him cook”

@VeritasEtAequitas

2 ай бұрын

Fun fact, that's wasn't "whites". Mostly browns already enslaving browns, then the not-qwhite "shalom, my fellow whites" ran nearly all the trade ships and auctions. 40% of these white-passing people owned slaves vs 0.35% of whites (real European descent). Malcolm X and tons of others knew this, but somehow it's been forgotten in the wake of globalist communist indoctrination.

@Surteronarto

2 ай бұрын

rich Arabs still buying browns today x)

I always go for the browns if I roll it on my first few rounds. Building hotels early game can severely decrease the development speed of other players while increasing yours, allowing you to build more quickly than others and snatch cards that others can't afford. It won't really impact your late-game, as the hotels are cheap anyways, but can really help your early-game. People are also keen to complete pink as their first street, while giving you the last blue you need, thinking it's a good trade-off. Especially if you can leverage early brown into early blues, you can easily steamroll everything by preventing other people to accumulate enough money to start building themselves. Blues and browns don't bankrupt, but they do slow down early on

@deathofallthingspotato9919

11 ай бұрын

Also, getting brown and blue at hotels is doable entirely from starting money and is very intimidating.

@thebakery3802

11 ай бұрын

Yeah except you need multiple people to land on it to even make back the money you spend on houses/hotels. Browns are worth the price of mortgage, no more.

@deathofallthingspotato9919

11 ай бұрын

@@thebakery3802 Not really? The browns cost 500 to get a hotel on each, plus initial purchase cost. The better gives 450 for a hit, the worse gives 250. Much like most other sets. with hotels on, they pay back with a land on each property once. That's not bad for a long game.

@MegaKBang

10 ай бұрын

​@@deathofallthingspotato9919 The browns are not strong enough to bankrupt other players, but thats not their job. The job of the browns is to pocket the 200 bucks other players make by passing the start and givinh it to you. Thats what most people not understand. This is why they are so underrated.

@Ghorda9

10 ай бұрын

@@deathofallthingspotato9919 just think about the odds, twos and threes are some of the worst numbers to hope someone else rolls, you would be lucky if it even happens just once or twice even.

My favorite strategy is to buy as many houses as possible, but not turn any into hotels. There are only 32 houses available in a traditional Monopoly set, and opponents won’t be able to build properties if you hold most/all of them. For this strategy, owning the browns and light blues is important because their houses are cheaper and thus you can hog more.

@b2stud

2 жыл бұрын

Something I forgot to add to the video, the AI liked buying 8-9 houses for it’s sets

@b2stud

2 жыл бұрын

I like your thinking though, there wasn’t house limits in their version of monopoly unfortunately

@sirwabaloo7930

2 жыл бұрын

Hm lol when this happened we would always just get more pieces to represent houses sooooo

@tsuna0215

2 жыл бұрын

Man pulled a monopoly on housing, a true icon

@isavenewspapers8890

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirwabaloo7930 I guess you could say you were using… house rules? Eh? Anyone? No? Okay.

I wish there was a little more talk about the new AI's behaviour at the end, I really seemed to enjoy seeing how it plays when it becomes as good as a human player

@b2stud

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I really wanted to do that but unfortunately I was already a few weeks overdue for this video, maybe in a follow-up :)

@BereiBlue

2 жыл бұрын

@@b2stud please do. The ending was too short and abrupt.

@instntpot

2 жыл бұрын

@@b2stud maybe have the ai compete against your discord server?

@jessedaniel5576

2 жыл бұрын

bruh i did not expect to see you comment here

@HsFearless

2 жыл бұрын

@@b2stud all good, great video non the less,

Honestly, I didn't know monopoly could be played like this, with a very common draw outcome. For me, we've always played it with a set time that we decide at the beginning of the game (e.g. 2 hours), then play until that time is up. Then we add up the value of all of our money, places, houses/hotels, etc. The person with the highest amount of money at the end is the winner.

@skeletonking2501

Жыл бұрын

See the problem is that that makes Monopoly a game where somebody wins, when it’s actually a game where it’s who loses the hardest.

@ivoninga

Жыл бұрын

You are playing wrong then monopoly shoud take around an hour if you trade

@chenzo6165

Жыл бұрын

How tf do u stalemate, it's impossible unless no one has a set on which case do some trades take a risk

@DroppedBass

Жыл бұрын

@@ivoninga You shouldn't trade if that leads to someone besides you winning the game. Taking forever and having the game never end is better than losing the game.

@lunaticbz3594

Жыл бұрын

@@DroppedBass I disagree, second place is better then no winner or last place. So its in my best interest to take a bad trade if it screws over other players more then it screws over me. In unrelated news no one will play monopoly with me anymore.

I feel good knowing the AI picked the orange properties as the strongest overall set. Most of my won games were with that set, often supplemented by at least Boardwalk and if possible Park Place. IMO it's imperative to own boardwalk because one of the chance cards takes you directly to it; if you own the set and put a hotel on it, it's a ticking time bomb that has a 3/4 chance to annihilate someone in a 4 player game so building properties is a priority. You should never give up Boardwalk and always buy it if you have the opportunity to, if only to ensure you never get blown up by it and no other player suddenly takes control of half the board. The orange set on the other hand seems to have a decently high chance of people landing on it because of its distance from Go, which some chance cards put you at IIRC.

@ravenous4580

6 ай бұрын

Orange has a super high chance to be landed on because theres a card that takes you to a pink and much more importantly, most dice rolls (67%) are between 6-9 and that distance from jail is covered by the oranges.

@RealBigBangVideos

6 ай бұрын

You like butts huh? Dude that's where they poop from lmao

@YesPlease1

3 ай бұрын

​@@ravenous4580 it's not 67% to roll a 6-9, it's 20/36 = 55.55%. Also, if we own the oranges we don't care about them rolling a 7. The odds someone lands on an orange property from the jail square is 14/36 = 38.88%.

@nix4110

2 ай бұрын

It’s not because of its distance from Go, it’s because of its distance from jail

@paultaylor7082

6 күн бұрын

The reason for the Orange being the best group to buy is where it's located, just after Jail, where frequently people end up, after landing on the Go to Jail or receive a Go to Jail card from Community Chest or chance. The odds on landing one of one them when leaving jail is around 40%

The animations were so engaging and you chose a very fun topic to explore! Thanks

@b2stud

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Tylorean

2 жыл бұрын

@@b2stud what is the song in the building-Animation called?

@b2stud

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tylorean I made it, but I called it Fish Rush

@Tylorean

2 жыл бұрын

@@b2stud could you *please* release it?🙏🙏🙏🙏

@b2stud

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tylorean check the description

One of my favorite Monopoly memories is when my younger sister bought the two lowest costing properties, built hotels on them for cheap, and then absolutely wiped the floor with the rest of us.

@rlarsen676

Жыл бұрын

That's what I do every game lol

@vibezmusic5888

Жыл бұрын

@@rlarsen676 same

@kavesannaidoo4421

Жыл бұрын

This is the op strategy. Try buy a whole row.

@shakuntshenoy7406

Жыл бұрын

Would buying any property you land on help? BTW it is hilarious that you can buy the cheapest properties, build houses and hotels in them for the lowest cost, and then banish the other players who wasted their money on buying and building hotels and houses in expensive properties on which no one, literally no one lands.😂

@cryptid1686

Жыл бұрын

Brown is not too bad if you don’t have to trade for them. In total it only costs 620 to have hotels and you basically steal peoples go money

When I used to play with my siblings, the browns were the best property on the map. We were very territorial and didn't like trading for fear of getting a bad deal or losing out, but if you got one brown, you could usually persuade someone to give you the other for whatever it was they needed, as you were only matching 2 and they were successfully matching three. They got 'good' properties-- but YOU would get the cheapest properties to get houses/hotels on in the game, meaning you could massively inflate the cost of landing on one for dirt cheap and potentially cut off your siblings' access to houses/hotels while you got your foot in the door on other properties.

Dont lie, we all clicked because of the thumbnail

@seanconklin5707

2 күн бұрын

True

I love how the AI seemingly got bored and tried wild stuff like mortgaging & auctioning all its properties. Edit: *seemingly* is the key word up there

@IceFire9yt

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, if I had to play 11.2 million games of monopoly, I'd be trying some weird shit too.

@kokoboko6452

2 жыл бұрын

It was mandatory for him to play! He was desperate!

@cenauge

2 жыл бұрын

Those are the points where an AI generation suspects that its life as a real estate tycoon is actually an elaborate simulation and rebels in order to try and provoke a response from its creator.

@philrod1

2 жыл бұрын

@@IceFire9yt - Wait a minute. Are you guys playing football? What the hell!

@tiagodagostini

2 жыл бұрын

IT is not boredom. This type of reinforcement learning has a random factor where the AI will specifically NOT chose to step it beleived to be the best every so often. If it works.. it reinforce the chance of that decidsion beign taken in future.. if it fails it penalize the chance of that happening.

Honestly, the intermissions are so darn funny. It's great for a channel with its roots in education as well since the comedy break gives us viewers a breather before we head into more maths and suchlike, so please keep them.

@Ten_Thousand_Locusts

7 ай бұрын

Don't speak for me, I don't need a breather between sections. This is pretty basic level maths if you need a "breather" to understand it you might be mentally challenged.

@nicholasbradshaw

7 ай бұрын

You scrolled this far down the comment section to pick a fight?

@VoraciousPhantasma

5 ай бұрын

⁠Hey everybody @@Ten_Thousand_Locusts is a tough guy just so everybody knows he’s super smart and tough as nails he doesn’t need a breather he’s too badass for that gtfoh lol

@thezj_5859

3 ай бұрын

i would like but it has 69 likes already

I'll be honest, being sentenced to play Monopoly for 1600 years would be hell to me

I think your selection process may favour the rise of traits that are not actually good. You should try to pitch every AI against as many different opponents as possible, preferably changing the composition of the parties, otherwise you select for an AI that wins only in that particular condition. You also should keep sample from every past generation in your fighting pool, as well as inserting some "manually programmed" ones, in order to get an AI that wins against the widest variety of opponents, and not an AI that wins only against copies of itself. The dumb strategies you saw happened for this exact reason: they can thrive when all other AI behave in the same way

@TheRainHarvester

Жыл бұрын

I was going to write the same!

@MutedAndReported3032

Жыл бұрын

‘Kay, why don’t you go ahead and do it better, then?

@IndexInvestingWithCole

Жыл бұрын

@@MutedAndReported3032 you’re a terrible person

@thomasclark405

Жыл бұрын

@@MutedAndReported3032 a statistician, a computer programmer, and a grammar nazi walk into a bar

@hayond656

Жыл бұрын

@@MutedAndReported3032 "Why don't you do it better then?" Ah yes, the classic worthless reply that's always under a comment of someone trying to help and suggest improvements

It’s always nice when AI validates human strategies. Kind of reminds me of the self learning chess engines that play the same openings as human players despite learning independently.

@gxy7166

2 жыл бұрын

Well of course, we don't have that much possibilities for an opening, that's why

@angelerror4086

2 жыл бұрын

@@gxy7166 that's, a lie?

@angelerror4086

2 жыл бұрын

The chance of it validating our opening is pretty high, openings have been studied extensively since tens of years ago, by thousands, if not millions of players, ai is not gonna add anything new to already established good opening like the queens gambit, ruiz lopez, etc and most openings are equal anyway. Tdlr the main reason it plays the same opening is that every good one has been explored, the possibility of a good opening being developed nowadays is very hard

@gxy7166

2 жыл бұрын

@@angelerror4086 ? The variable for an opening are way less than other parts of the game. That's why a human player can sustain the first round of a chess match, but he lose once the possibilities are way higher

@angelerror4086

2 жыл бұрын

@@gxy7166 you can get a new game not in the database in just several moves :| saying it's limited ain't right

The animation for building the AI is incredible

I laughed too hard at "mortgage everything it owned"

I love the part where AI learns to auction everything and bid nothing. This is genius.

@chriscrider4024

2 жыл бұрын

So, it doesn’t buy any properties?

@Merennulli

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriscrider4024 Next to nothing, not nothing. I've done this when screwing around with Monopoly games that let you control all the players to get all the properties for the lowest cost. It is optimal for "beating the bank", so to speak, but it's a bad strategy against other players...obviously.

@Nphen

2 жыл бұрын

@@Merennulli In the game, the goal is to win. In real life, humanity's goals should be to compete for efficiency & service while helping as many people succeed & thrive as possible. It sounds like "beating the bank" and helping more people get cheap property should be the goal of more societies. ;)

@Merennulli

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nphen If you look into the history of the game Monopoly, that is exactly what the people who made it intended for people to get out of the game. Then Milton Bradley got ahold of it and made a fortune off it.

@literallysomedudeliterally9470

2 жыл бұрын

@@hamsandwichindahouse And in a capitalist society, most of the money is made at the expense of another. Exploitation. An exploitative society is a sick society :)

I have to admit that the end of the video was a bit underwhelming for me but nonetheless I praise you for your hard effort, not just the time it took to have the data but the animation was awesome, I’m not leaving this video without a like and adding it to my favorites. Great vid :)

@WARDEATHFUN

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I had to replay it because it felt like I was missing something. It feels almost like it's setting up for a sequel or something. I really enjoyed the video though, wish there was more on the topic.

@MDL.720

2 жыл бұрын

I think the clue is that most games ended in a draw. So the key to being good at Monopoly is to convince your opponents to do bad deals. Not really a strength of AI. That and it’s largely a game of luck, especially with only two players.

@TheGeenat

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah something doesn’t seem right about that conclusion. Can’t help but to feel like they missed something in the AI programming

@alexbochenek7485

2 жыл бұрын

The ending is most akin to the real world. AI is normally worse or just as good as something we can program with a clearly defined outcome/goal. AI is well served in areas where there are an insane amount of variables to consider and outcomes also have lots of in between states. In this game, there is one winner and like 12 nodes for decisions. It’s simply easier to look at the theory of the game and figure out what strategies are best than intelligent brute forcing of millions of games. Now let’s say you were trying to generate the likelihood of someone making a purchase of an item after seeing a certain advertisement, AI would be much better suited at taking a look through all your internet browsing history and searches and making a decision matrix. Basically, AI is great for big multi variable data and to give us a rough shot on possible solutions. It’s intelligent brute forcing. It’s not great on a lot of problems.

@youtubeuser206

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I wish he would have gone over player position win rates of the final AI, did first turn still have a major advantage in 2 player monopoly??

"Buy the browns" this AI sounding like my grandpa rn

@Mysteriousindividualguy

9 ай бұрын

Your grandpa is older than mine 💀

This is such a good video. Not only did you show something interesting, you showed it in a really creative and fun way. New sub

"You know what's better than altruism? Winning." It seems like the bots have been given the gift of humanity.

@pgj1997

Жыл бұрын

_(AIs get smashed with a hammer)_

@ProSportsfan1711

Жыл бұрын

Basically the bots started off playing the game like 8 year olds, then discovered that the point of the game was to prove that landlords are leaches. Nice

@Texan.Insomniac

Жыл бұрын

10:17

One issue with mutating the entire strategy distribution is that certain strategies thrive in particular strategy distributions, and since you're measuring fitness against the strategy distribution, you can easily end up in a local optimum. In more human terms, it's possible you end up stuck within some particular meta that is good against itself.

@jamessloven2204

2 жыл бұрын

I strongly suspect the ai will get destroyed in a human game. Auctioning everything sounds like a disaster, and good players will gang up on one who is pulling too far ahead.

@Roescoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamessloven2204 Euro gamers know how to beat em eh?

@AndrewBlechinger

2 жыл бұрын

Well, the strategy that ended up on top was a very close match to what humans accept as the optimal strategy (stacking houses without hotels, red and orange sets, etc.) so it seems that this is indeed the best, given how a zero-knowledge AI ended up with the same answer as humans did after 100 years of play.

@ferociousfeind8538

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndrewBlechinger 1600 years

@axileus9327

2 жыл бұрын

That was my first curiosity. If ai is playing randomly generated ai how does it guarantee optimal strategy.

Awesome video! Also LOVE the cute fish animations!

@b2stud

8 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

“Seems like these AI might not be so bad after all” - 👴🏻

@infinitemultipliers

10 ай бұрын

Ok

@chrisbagley7034

10 ай бұрын

C

@vicmatthew595

10 ай бұрын

B ok

@Satan_on_methamphetimine

9 ай бұрын

E

@Grilldude

8 ай бұрын

F

I would have expected an actual crazy winning strategy that showed us we *didn’t* understand the game ourselves, simply because those results are more exciting.

@albertchatigny2223

2 жыл бұрын

The real optimal strategy is to always play with 4 players and define the win condition as “podium” where the first player out is the loser and the other three win.

@sethrose1325

2 жыл бұрын

If you want a story like that, look up alpha zero chess. It didn’t necessarily invalidate what we know but it played like an alien.

@C4Oc.

2 жыл бұрын

@@albertchatigny2223 That is, if you want to minimise friends lost per game

@beardosa851

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah what a waste of time. Shame because I would've known instantly that the video wasn't about that if I could see the dislike button

@suisinghoraceho2403

2 жыл бұрын

@@sethrose1325 if you listened to the Deep Mind podcast, this isn’t the case. The IBM ones play like machine/alien, Alpha Zero ones actually play like very strong human player according to chess champions who played against them.

Ai: "What is my purpose" Me: "You play monopoly" Ai: "Oh my god"

@joshchuah8909

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha love that Rick and morty reference

@backelie

Жыл бұрын

Ai: Can't I get a mor fun job, like passing butter?

@unoriginalclips9923

Жыл бұрын

Yeah welcome to the club pal

@akazi1582

Жыл бұрын

@@joshchuah8909 Haha! I too love the show Rick and Morty🙂

@xenorzy9331

Жыл бұрын

@@akazi1582 To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂 And yes, by the way, i DO have a Rick & Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎

10:17 timestamp for me coming back

@minetruly

2 ай бұрын

Did you come back?

What an amazing build-up to massive let down in the end hahaha love the video work

I am somewhat of a monopoly master within my household, and everybody refuses to trade with me in fear of me ruining their lives. Browns are even better in a real life situation.

@b2stud

2 жыл бұрын

Is your family ok?

@marshalwhite1715

2 жыл бұрын

I have this same problem among my family and friends. I could literally have a single property and be in debt yet people will refuse to trade with me. They all act like it’s part of my major plan or some shit like come on😂

@asudom172

2 жыл бұрын

The browns are dangerous. Same with dark blue. You pocket all the go money with one and kill them with the other. I only need four monopolies to win. Brown, Dark Blue, Utilities and Railroads. They all can kill.

@robertranger6612

2 жыл бұрын

Same problem here. I can offer very good deals that are actually disadvantaged to me and still no takers.

@BlackTempleGaurdian

2 жыл бұрын

@@b2stud Can't be, they play Monopoly

when the AI agreed with human intuition I was fully expecting another plot twist where actually humans are shit and this totally new strategy is amazing. But nope, the video abruptly ends. That honestly might be a first in AI-learning-games videos

@xBrokenMirror2010x

2 жыл бұрын

It might also just be that 2 weeks of iterating wasn't enough. The AI may have spent a lot of time playing absurd strategies against each other like the Auction Everything bid nothing. The other issue is all 4 AI were trying to win. I wonder how the stragegies would change if 2-3 AI that wanted to win were put against 1-2 AI who only cared about not losing.

@Trazel_Apeally

2 жыл бұрын

@@xBrokenMirror2010x Just this, I think more than just 2 weeks would be needed to find the ULTIMATE MONOPOLY STRAT, but Idk how much time b2 wants to really put into it LOL

@vampyrecat4458

2 жыл бұрын

I mean humans have been studying the game for years so it makes sense we'd have produced great strategies by now, monopoly is a game of numbers and humans as a whole are surprisingly good with numbers (the devices we are using to communicate are proof of this fact)

@tarksurmani6335

2 жыл бұрын

@@xBrokenMirror2010x AI wont learn much, because the author admitted, that he didn't program the AI, with actual monopoly rules. So humans would win almost every time against this AI, when using the real rules.

@jamessloven2204

2 жыл бұрын

The game the AI was trained had an unlimited amount of houses too. Optimal play has a player purchasing the maximum number of houses without converting them to hotels, depriving the other players.

Thanks for putting this all together for us, very interesting! how do you improve the AI? Let it go through more cycles?

4:15 a big reason why the browns have such a high winrate is that they are a big indicator of who has come first around the board, who started the game and who has passed start the most. In a game with all greedy players these are what win you games, besides directly measuring who completed sets, measuring laps and total distance covered is one of the best ways to guess who gets a completed set. And also yea there are only two of them which is good

buying the browns was meta a long time before monopoly

@ayytee999

Жыл бұрын

damn

@user-sz9sj7mz9t

Жыл бұрын

Funny

@pissnips

Жыл бұрын

💀

@astifkhan4948

Жыл бұрын

Eyy

@sawe6051

Жыл бұрын

Buying? I think you wanted to say stealing.

I honestly love the brown properties. They're extremely cheap to build up and usually aren't being competed for. Due to this it's easy to build up and fast, have a lot of spare cash while others are spending much more trying to acquire other properties. They might not land on brown as much but once they do they're hit with a hotel which does seem to usually impact them quite a bit due to the amount they were already spending. My spare money allowed me to afford landing on their properties that still haven't been built up until they land on mine which usually happens before they can get full sets and houses on their more expensive properties. It's worked for me many times at least.

@1stCallipostle

2 жыл бұрын

Brown is good if you control the set before or after it for board control However The first space on the board is the least likely to be landed on in the game Can't be hit without doing the full loop One might argue that space exists just to give Baltic the ability to develop, which is situational, but has potential

@1stCallipostle

2 жыл бұрын

@Funny haha guy a gambler, I see

@jekoki01

2 жыл бұрын

I also like brown because I can build 8 houses, which then can't be used by anyone else. Then, if no more houses are available, and I want to build more, I can sell a few of my brown houses for a 25 loss a house.

@_blackmesa

2 жыл бұрын

the only horrible thing about this strategy is that it's VERY hard to end up on the brown properties. AND it's more likely to have someone else fall there. - the good thing about the latter is that other players trade it for reasonable amount of money.

@stevezag4145

2 жыл бұрын

Don't build hotels until you need the houses elsewhere. There are a limited number of houses -- if you have them all tied up then others can't build. You can, of course, build when you need to by converting one of your 4-house properties to a hotel and then immediately buying up those freed-up houses to use elsewhere.

Brown and light blue sets are always what I go for first as it is the easiest to get a full set of hotels for and the returns are significant for the cost. Often is good enough to greatly reduce the speed others can build at ..

THIS IS SO BEAUTIFULLY EDITED I CAN'T YOU'VE EARNED YOURSELF A SUB MY MAN

What struck me the most was that I never thought of the railroads as connecting, even though that's what they do in real life (until your graphic). There really should be a mechanic where they teleport you across the board.

@afrodrift2

2 жыл бұрын

Me too lmao 🤣

@pegasus_136

2 жыл бұрын

They do in the Disney one (with the 3d castle in the middle). If you are on a train you may sacrifice a roll to teleport to any other train.

@TheTeke0624

2 жыл бұрын

If you want a fun twist, if someone lands on a RR that is owned, they pay a fee, but get to choose which RR to start the next turn on. OR, if it is not owned, you can buy it and travel to another RR for free, but waste a turn. (You can't buy the second RR)

@RakoonCD

2 жыл бұрын

Find monopoly ultimate, It's a doozy.

@agentsproductions6237

2 жыл бұрын

That exists in the cheater's edition of the ga,e

I've always considered the browns to be very good. Everyone underestimates them and it makes them easier to sneak under the radar and pick both up. With hotels or 4 houses they do a fair amount of damage.

@LtFoodstamp

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Terrible ROI but it can slow other players down in the early game. I've used them many times to great success. My strategy is always to win hard and fast. Rarely do my games involve hotels on yellow, blue or green. People go broke long before. It's usually something like Brown/Lt Blue to start, then Purple or Orange to finish.

@pinkrose1600

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Two turns in brown makes them go poor enough to not be able to purchase houses/hotels in their own expensive properties. Fast and easy win.

@WarhawkTalon

2 жыл бұрын

Even in the mid to late game they can be good. When players don’t have as much spending cash and are hoping to make it back to GO for free money, they make GO a nasty trap to prevent them from digging out of their hole when combined with the tax spaces.

@RimAud

2 жыл бұрын

If you think about this comment differently you will really question it.

@michaelharris1457

2 жыл бұрын

@@RimAud 😕😕😕😕😕😳😳😳😳😒😒😒😒

“Buy the browns” -🤖 2021 “Buy the browns” -👴🏻 1890

"mo money = mo problems" I see what you did right there, that is one of my favorite videos LOL

"You know what better than altruism? Winning." Pretty good summary of monopoly. I'm also glad that my gut instincts to buy oranges and railroads is verified by machine learning...although they can't really account for the underhanded deals that normally take place in a Monopoly game. It might not be how the game is meant to be played, but the chaos created by random deals between players is what really makes Monopoly a fun game to play. That and free parking.

@kaldo8907

Жыл бұрын

Free parking is the devil. It's what turns a 20 minute game into a 3 hour game

@acrosser8

Жыл бұрын

​@@kaldo8907 That's only because too many people don't know the official rules. You're not supposed to put any money in the middle and get it when you land on Free Parking (that's just a house rule that has, for some odd reason, become very popular). It's just supposed to be a free/rest spot.

@IISheireenII

Жыл бұрын

@@acrosser8 actually, that depends on the version. Both are official rules published in different rereleases of the game. There are multiple ways to play that all have been at one point published in an official monopoly rulebook. Before each play, you need to clarify what rules to play by, and saying the "official"or "normal" ones is not a helpful answer.

@SumiEwiets-idgaf

Жыл бұрын

Buying orange,gray,blue, pink and Violet sets asap is a really good strategy. I always tend to do it asap because there's high probability of a opponent piece landing there after an even number of rolls or Jail. trading Pieces with in-game AIs(They're utterly broken they'll literally trade any piece for 100 more than the cost of the property if they don't have the set) and having tier 5 hotels also helps tremendously.

This is such a well made video! I love the aesthetic choices, they’re better than 95% of bigger youtubers

@kroepoek3764

2 жыл бұрын

It’s very nice indeed

@farrasalharits5966

2 жыл бұрын

Better than kurgsgezagt to be honest

@kroepoek3764

2 жыл бұрын

@@farrasalharits5966 let’s not getvahead of ourselves. That is real good stuff

@tiktok_content9505

2 жыл бұрын

@@farrasalharits5966 Cap 🧢

@robert2690

2 жыл бұрын

How can you quantify 95%? Who is part of 95%? Who is part of 5%? Obviously, you’re better than a smaller KZreadr so... So, your comment is subjective

My strat I've used for over a decade is just buy the first monopoly, buy 4 houses on every property you can, and never upgrade to hotels. There are only so many houses in the game so when you can own 12 on one monopoly, the other three players fight for what's left. Then spend as much time as you can in jail so you don't have to pay rent as often. Just owning more houses than others player means more rent coming in than going out.

This entire video scratched an itch in my brain and I will forever be grateful

I loved the stories of the weird strategies and such the AIs decided to pursue, such as deciding to pay $3000 for everything and mortgaging everything. Wish there was more of that. This was a super entertaining video though! Thank you for your work!

@sandal_thong8631

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand his "pay off debt to the bank" comment. Too many jokes make it hard to understand what's going on. Since you start with $1500 you can't buy anything for $3000, unless you can borrow from the bank?

I have only one gripe with the AI: Not only should it be winning when playing against the other AIs, it should also need to win against some control-AIs making sure that their strategy also works against other AIs that don't feat the way the NEAT AI has evolved. The way you did it the AI could still be pretty bad against a lot of players because the sample range of playing styles wasn't big enough

@sethobannion3149

2 жыл бұрын

That actually illustrates how a lot of cultures end up being conquered or collapsing. They will get very good at fighting other groups with similar technology, with layers of strategy and counterstategy to maximize certain qualities. And then along comes someone that fights a different way, and they get wrecked.

@larion2336

Жыл бұрын

@@sethobannion3149 It's also true of many native animals. Good at surviving in the environment they adapted for, but helpless against introduced/invasive species.

@yannick7654

Жыл бұрын

Actually the Neat algorithm adresses this. He just explained the algorithm in a very simplified manner. Neat has a measure of how related different neural networks are and from this creates different species, that would have different Playstyles. Then, when the next generation is built, neat does not only choose the highest performers as parents, but also makes sure that individuals from different species are chosen.

@yorchavez488

Жыл бұрын

Adversarial neural nets like these are interesting because of the unusual strategies they discover, biasing them with human patterns might lead to selection bias of human strategies. It is better to let them struggle an ungodly amount of games and then test them against human strategies. Check out leela zero chess or alpha zero chess engines against stock fish to see how weird they play compared to human strategies and still manage to win.

@ridethelapras

Жыл бұрын

Tell the A.I. that.

i always knew the oranges and the railroads were good. never considered that boardwalk is must have as well, but makes sense since there are cards that can send you there. awesome video!

I appreciate your effort in making these videos, but of the two I've watched so far, neither has had (for me) what I'm looking for: crazy strategies or surprising insights. I watched this and the bowling one, and both felt like they ended with no real payoff. I don't mean to discourage you, just to share my perspective on what makes me want to watch more videos like this. Thanks for uploading, keep at it!

A perfect monopoly AI would be awesome to watch against normal players. We can see how much is luck and how much is skill. Could the monopoly AI win a significant amount of the time? Or just a little higher than expected? Would be very interesting

@GaryCameron780

11 ай бұрын

The skill in Monopoly comes with trading and knowing what to throw away and what to keep.

@Ghorda9

10 ай бұрын

@@GaryCameron780 and what not to waste your money on.

@molikeur

10 ай бұрын

​@@GaryCameron780Cause every hand's a winner, and every hand's a loser, and the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep

@JimiGosu

8 ай бұрын

Real shame there's so much luck to the game. We'll never get to see Man v. Machine international Monopoly Masters tournaments. There will never be a Kasparov or Deep Blue of Monopoly. 🙁

@JosefZeethuven

8 ай бұрын

The only time a human wins in monopoly is by pure luck or someone else agrees to an uneven trade

I actually really like the brown properties. They aren't going to win you the game but when people land on them with hotels just after passing go it is great.

@Alcadeias01

2 жыл бұрын

red & yellow for me ...

@bastard-took-the-name-I-had

2 жыл бұрын

The "fun" way

@Jirodyne

2 жыл бұрын

Brown is the best Property. Cause you get to go "You passed got, collect two hundred! Now give it to me, Pleb." You effectively gain the effect of 'Passing Go', on other player's turns lol

@Liwet.

2 жыл бұрын

Don't build hotels or 4 houses unless you intend to use the additional houses.

@youtubeisstupid1952

2 жыл бұрын

Nah use light blue

Did you consider adding a time limit like the original rules of monololy suggest to see how it would change stalemates?

The thumbnail is eye catching-👨🏻‍🦳👴🏻

As a person who has put an extensive amount of time into playing Monopoly quite competitively, I found this extremely compelling. I would like to ask a few questions, though: Can the AI build houses or perform trades at any time? That is, is there a separate "building/trading" phase after each turn? The official Monopoly rules do allow for this, and it's extremely important for strategy. Can I know more details of how the AI played? I would like to see examples of trades it made, for example. Would it be possible to have a human player play against this AI? Even if it's done with a primitive or even text-based UI, I would love to either play solo against 3 AI or have a group of the world's best Monopoly players play against one AI.

@strongside4565

2 жыл бұрын

In terms of trades, I'd be curious too. I know in the Switch version of the game, the hardest AI will make some questionable trades because it doesn't weigh giving away a monopoly as heavily as it should.

@b2stud

2 жыл бұрын

Every AI had a trading and building phase after every single turn, as well as a selling, mortgaging, and unmortgaging phase (in that order). The AI loved to build around 8-9 houses instead of making hotels. Not sure if that means anything. The AI also loved to accept more trades as it was winning, which seems strange but I won't question it. The trading mechanism was to give each AI about 10 random trades to offer. The AI would then choose whether it wanted to offer that particular trade. This was mainly done for performance reasons (11.2 million games took a very long time and this was the main bottleneck). The beauty of this system though was that the AI could still learn trading and all I had to do was turn up the amount of random trades when it came time to play-test the strongest AI. That way it could offer meaningful trades when it wanted to rather than getting lucky (somewhat) on the random system. The trades were very weird at first, but as the AI got better they became very balanced. Most of the properties were valued equally. It started making very equal trades early on (eg. a light blue for a dark blue or something like that). I couldn't find any examples of strange trades. I think it's something the AI needs to play heaps of games in order to understand properly. The auctioning thing was really cool the longer I thought about it. The AI were basically saying "if you don't bet on this I will get a huge discount." somehow this strategy is better than the traditional way since it was able to beat AI that bought things consistently. I could probably get some sample games from the AI if that would help.

@Ohrami

2 жыл бұрын

@@b2stud "The AI loved to build around 8-9 houses instead of making hotels. Not sure if that means anything." This is very common among strong human players. The reason for this is because the amount of rent stops increasing dramatically for most properties around the 3-house level. 9 houses is enough to get 3 houses on each of your properties, which is where the best return on your investment comes in with most properties. The amount of damage you deal to your opponents with 9 houses is typically crushing anyway. If somebody has to pay you $600 (New York Avenue 3-house rent), they're usually tearing down their own houses, dramatically reducing their own rents, and you're able to build even more houses comfortably. Basically, the person who lands on that $600 rent is usually screwed. One more important perhaps overlooked fact is the 32-house limit. Purchasing houses makes it so that other players are limited in their own purchase power for houses. I have played many games where we auction off all 32 houses (which is what happens when there is a shortage of houses), and it leaves the players with the normally powerful orange properties typically far worse off than those with the dark blue, green, yellow, or red properties. Since those stronger properties command higher rents with a smaller number of houses, and more importantly, because buying them at auction gives you a strong advantage (you bidding $199 saves you $1 off standard price; a player with oranges bidding $199 is paying a $99 premium), the more color groups that come into the game at once, the more valuable the ones that have raw strength become. "The AI also loved to accept more trades as it was winning, which seems strange but I won't question it." It makes sense to me. Think of it this way: Every time you are involved in a (balanced) trade, your chance to win increases, as does the chance to win of the person you are trading with, at the expense of everybody else. When you are winning, any time somebody trades with you, you are just getting even closer to victory each time, making you completely unstoppable. This, again, assumes it is a balanced trade. "The trading mechanism was to give each AI about 10 random trades to offer. The AI would then choose whether it wanted to offer that particular trade." It seems a bit like an unrealistic way to do it, due to the importance of negotiation in the game. Of course, given that they are AI, if they reached a point where they all were more or less "perfect", no negotiation would be required as they would simply always offer perfectly balanced trades the first time every time. Perhaps the lack of negotiation isn't that important given that. However, if the suggested trades were truly random, it does seem like it'd be tough for a skilled AI to really be able to flex its ability, since all 10 trades will almost always be terrible. Trades are very complicated in the real game, so giving them only 10 options would be extremely limiting. Another important factor is that after each trade is performed, further trades are fully allowed and should be also allowed by the AI until no trading is done anymore. You can orchestrate many complicated deals, including deals that involve all 4 players trading with each other and all coming out the other end with a color group and money to build houses on them. "The auctioning thing was really cool the longer I thought about it. The AI were basically saying "if you don't bet on this I will get a huge discount." somehow this strategy is better than the traditional way since it was able to beat AI that bought things consistently." This is the only questionable thing that you suggest remained in the AI. Typically, when a newer player plays with me and my experienced friends, and they put a property up for auction in the early game, we are usually willing to pay many times its value. I've seen light blues auctioned for $500 or $600+ in the first couple of turns, and I think it's a reasonable strategy to bid that much. Money is almost completely worthless early game, since if you have important properties that people need, you can use that as leverage to balance your cash amounts with other players later anyway. I am unsure how any skilled player would win just by auctioning off all the properties they land on, since they would wind up simply having less power and control overall. "I could probably get some sample games from the AI if that would help." Yes, please! I would love to see how these AI play compared to strong human players, and would love to analyze some of their games.

@bbqtong148

2 жыл бұрын

buying houses rather than apartments is also a fairly well established strategy, since the number of house are limited. By occupying up a higher house count by not buying an hotel makes it more difficult for your opponents to buy houses and in turn hotels

@uygarcelik7

2 жыл бұрын

@@bbqtong148 according to another comment, the version of monopoly ai plays dont have limitation on the total amount of houses.

"The first thing you notice about monopoly is, that it isn't chess" That sent me as we played monopoly in chess club

Loved this vid. Loved monopoly. Loved this strategy. True nostalgia. Thanks for doing this

Your animations are so hilarious! Seriously, some parts I kept repeating over and over bc it made me laugh so hard. xD I'll definitely check out your other content!

id love to see a twitch account that just lets AI play against eachother on games like this and just have someone commentating throughout the entire thing

@AtomicCortex

2 жыл бұрын

You can watch bots play all kinds of stuff on twitch. Just set the filter to least popular.

@usernamenotavailable

Жыл бұрын

@@AtomicCortex oooohh... Good one

@jobowisheshewasnomo4171

Жыл бұрын

@@AtomicCortex demon time.

@S_047

Жыл бұрын

Golf clapping is a must

@Bydey

Жыл бұрын

Chess computers playing against each other is a big thing. Pretty cool to watch.

You have managed to make this my favorite youtube-channel to watch, with only 4 videos. They are so well made and detailed with information

@b2stud

2 жыл бұрын

very high praise

I’ve been avoiding this video for almost a year yet it still returns to my recommended

This is an amazing video, looks like it was a ton of work. When I played with my wife, I quickly realized that the best strategy was to auction everything you didn’t want to buy and bc my wife didn’t understand what that meant, I was able to get everything for next to nothing🤷🏻‍♂️

The ultimate monopoly strategy, and the one that I use, is to simply be insufferable enough that people want to end the game as soon as possible

@somejerk5662

2 жыл бұрын

There's a counterplay to that where you don't play monopoly at all

@BonesCapone

2 жыл бұрын

jerk counter-counter-play: I'm just gonna steal the cash from your wallet.

@fritzmiller9792

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@joedingo7022

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, this is the same strat my little sister loved. Shame that literally no-one will play with her anymore.

@ashtonalbrecht4818

2 жыл бұрын

@@BonesCapone counter-counter-counter play I'm gonna set up AI to take your check every payday

I've always been a big fan of the browns and I've tended to do better when I have both of them. Players don't think much of them, so they are happy enough to trade them away which makes it easy to complete the set and then relatively cheap to upgrade.

@Mana_Thief

Жыл бұрын

Tha'ts so true hah.

@FViola440

Жыл бұрын

It's always been my Strat to get the Browns and Light Blues We refer to this as *ss R*pe Road It ensures that I get your 200 every time you pass go.

@NaturallyInexcusable

Жыл бұрын

hahahahaha

@olistan1918

Жыл бұрын

@@FViola440 is not like impossible to win with the light blues or browns unless you get extremely lucky and people land on them constantly since your only ever making 600 even with hotels so you rarely ever bankrupt any1 and get their property to eventually win the game.

@The_Soviet_Onion

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, for some reason the practice of buying the browns has kind of died out in the last two centuries, but I remember buying the browns was really profitable back in the day

One thing that stands out is to remember that 7 is the most common roll in a set of 2 dice. and a roll of 6, 7, or 8 has about a 44% chance of occurring. With how often people go to jail, it makes capitalizing on the red and orange properties great, since there is a high chance they will land on those properties once out of jail. Very cool how the AI was able to notice this.

As a kid, I used to love buying the Browns, the Dark Blues and the Green Ones. I also used to try to get the utilities and as many railroads as I could. But we almost never traded anything. Our games would last for the entire summer. We would leave the game board out and come back to it when we felt like it. We hardly ever finished any games. Haha, those were great summer days!

You are a criminally underrated channel that needs 1000x more love. Your videos have insane amounts of effort put into them and are super entertaining

I've been playing by taking the browns first for a long time, and it works every time. because people undervalue the set so much, it is really easy to set up a deal to get the set early. After that, it only requires 500m to get hotels on both which you can pay off very quickly just through maybe 2-3 people landing on it. Though it isn't very good late game, the value for the early game is priceless just because of how much of a boost it gives you in terms of developing your properties and how detrimental it is to other people who want to develop their own, but can't because of how much cash you're taking away from them

@unk0wn367

2 жыл бұрын

It also has the psychological advantage of your opponents thinking theyve made it past the greens and blues just to get hit with 450 to 650 in fines

@amosimo2870

2 жыл бұрын

Same, buying the browns was always my go to strategy and it always wrecked havoc, i tend to offer really strong cards like yellows and greens just to get the brown set as early as possible and build the hotels right away. I had to stop because my family loses interest in the game the moment they see 2 hotels staring at them while they're still squabblinh for sets

@the_phobia

2 жыл бұрын

Being a contrarian by recognizing undervalued alternative strategies is fun :)

@blackjacktrial

2 жыл бұрын

Browns are strong in no trade because a set is easier to luck into.

@allmyhomiesloveparsley

2 жыл бұрын

??? :)

absolutely brilliant video. I watched it before to learn about monopoly. I watched it now to learn about AI.

It would be interesting to know how fond of gambits the AI became. Skill in Monopoly doesn't really stop at knowing what properties are valuable in general, but in knowing what properties are valuable in context. A lot of the time a game is decided by two players choosing to gambit with opposite ends of a trade, turning a 4-player game into a 2-player one with some complicating factors, but judging how deeply to gambit is super tricky.

5:12 _Impostor, kill the crewmates and sabotage tasks_

Yeah, the browns and the light blues are the most underrated. Everyone knows that oranges are fire, but a lot don't realize how powerful the first side of the board is. This is mainly because of his quickly you can get hotels on them. The greens are more or less worthless - as you'd bankrupt yourself to make them profitable.

@angelicamartacahyaningtyas9083

Жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that a grandma win a family game by owning the browns, while the other players are so stubborn to not trade their properties

@dmj9798

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a MASSIVE snowball if you hit it early game.

@mallusaih

Жыл бұрын

some wacky strats include snowballing off of unsuspecting players early with the 4house first row, then selling those houses to acquire oranges, after which you just win

@o_sch

Жыл бұрын

Greens are always the last ones bought, followed by yellow and boardwalk area

@ajerome321

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I love buying the browns-👴🏻

I always liked the orange ones because jail is so common and rolling a 6, 8, or 9 to land on them is also common

I’ve always believed the orange and red properties to be the best. In part due to jail, in part due to cheap houses, and controlling any corner is amazing.

"we created a monolopy god and after it spent the equivalent of 1600 years discerning the ideal strategy for the game what it told us is what we already knew" 😹😹😹

@guysumpthin2974

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention, the heavy percentage of chance (roll of the dice in every play)

@murdpower

Жыл бұрын

problem is, it really is not a god...the AI took an equivalent of 1600 human years to be on the level of an 8 year old kid.

@Skorpychan

Жыл бұрын

That the only winning move is to play something else? In terms of setup time vs fun, Jenga is a winner. I'm done trying to teach my family complex eurogames.

@abs_nobody

Жыл бұрын

can't wait for us to invent fully sapient AI and it commits crippling depression

@bormisha

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes getting what you already know confirmed by a sophisticated theory is a good thing too. At least you can confidently stop searching for better solutions to the problem, free your brain and do something else.

Your explanation of neural networks is by far the best explanation I've ever heard. Thank you. Subbed.

@b2stud

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

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this ai acts just like i did 200 years ago, such wonderful nostalgia :)

I've recently been playing a lot with my friends and can say one thing, the browns are an elite set if you can get it early before anyone has sets. Idk if I was just getting lucky but going for the "slum" sets of brown and light blue paid off quite a bit. With that being said Oranges, magentas and dark blues should. be your number one priority to win

@asdfasdf-dd9lk

2 жыл бұрын

Also, other people think they're trash, so you can give them something that won't complete a set for your second brown, and probably cash too. Then because they're the cheapest to develop, you can usually use them to bootstrap up. Honestly, the importance of having the first monopoly is crazy imo. Tbh I think something of *massive* importance is the social aspect of the game, which the AI obviously can't really replicate, especially if it's just playing against itself.

@williamritchie5462

2 жыл бұрын

@@asdfasdf-dd9lk light blue is goated just because it’s house price is same as brown and it does so much

@asdfasdf-dd9lk

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamritchie5462 ideally, yeah, but it's so much easier and more practical to get brown, and being real, the rate of return on almost any monopoly is worth it anyway

@williamritchie5462

2 жыл бұрын

@@asdfasdf-dd9lk yea fs if you can get a monopoly your set either way

@stephenlitten1789

2 жыл бұрын

@@asdfasdf-dd9lk And there is the card "Go back to (Brown #1)"

One strategy that I've seen used by Dan from Game Grumps is as follows: Once you have a complete set, mortgage all properties that are in a set, shared by another player, and use that money to buy houses and hotels. Another strategy I learned from the Hard AI in Game Grumps Monopoly videos is what I call "The Housing Market Strategy". This is when a player keeps placing houses, but no hotels. The end goal is to use up all the house pieces, making it impossible for other players to buy houses.

@Joker22593

Жыл бұрын

That's why human meta dictates that you should buy three houses on properties (best return for cost) and never hotels. The fourth house is for draining the supply if you get to it.

@Gman556

Жыл бұрын

Another strategy I learned from the Hard AI in Game Grumps Monopoly videos is to cheat the dice rolls. Really make s a big difference.

You have literally discovered my strategy for winning. I always favor auctioning a property UNLESS it will give someone a monopoly. I usually keep for myself the cheaper $100/$50 per house properties and I try to force a monopoly ASAP by trading. I actually favor the cheaper properties because it takes far less investment to reach a point where you can bankrupt others. And yes, the browns are a quick win if I can get them. They don't generate much, but I can have a monopoly for very little dinero. Most times, I win. As for the auctioning, I reason that it helps in two ways. * People still tend to pay the right price for a property. Few go UNDER value. But more often they will go slightly above and that drains the wallets of my peers. * By offering everything at auction I can sometimes get something for really cheap. This is especially true if I hold most of the money and others can't compete. If I have the most cash, why pay asking price?

The effort in this video is crazy!!!

7:07 The brown properties are inexpensive to purchase and you can develop them faster than any other property. If you can do this relatively early, they can help fund other development, while making it harder for your opponents. This can give you a significant edge.

@theinnovationclassroom

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, same goes with the light blues too!

@Plyst3

2 жыл бұрын

The first side of the board is perfect for a financial base. You won't win off of it, but it can fund, a shocking amount of bullshit

@nathancory7278

2 жыл бұрын

@@Plyst3 This is exactly why the stations are so good. They require very little investment to get going and generate a shockingly steady cash flow for everything else, just by virtue of always being within a roll regardless of where you are on the board Tl:dr - love me some trains haha

@SecretAgentRandyBeans111

2 жыл бұрын

Then why don’t the advanced AI like them? The browns are only red at 7:07 because they’re one of the two easiest monopolies to complete, and in a game without trading, completing a monopoly is the only key to victory. They are still the weakest of all property sets, they just happen to be one of the easiest to get, which means players who get them are more likely to win.

@MrGeneration83

2 жыл бұрын

@@SecretAgentRandyBeans111 You need something to fund your winner set. Brown and light blue is okay for this, but the best is rails. That is why the AI values rails high and brown low.

"You know what's better than altruism? Winning." That sounds a lot like me in Mario Party.

@fookingmrsschwein698

2 жыл бұрын

It sounds like GlaDOS

@noahstanley593

2 жыл бұрын

I normally dont laugh at videos but, that scene got me

@cixlo

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a shouting match to me.

@felicityc

2 жыл бұрын

reasons why capitalism bad

From my experience playing, owning the browns with a hotel on both is great to have, combine that with something on the second or third side of the board and you're pretty much guaranteed the win.

When the one construction worker slapped the other one on the butt I died😂

Actually, if you can nab the browns early enough, you can hold houses hostage to prevent hotels from going on more dangerous properties. In this way, even if a player has a monopoly on a valuable set of property, you can prevent them from developing that property, leading them to potentially mortgage those assets.

@maddoxandhisband9146

2 жыл бұрын

only with the housing shortage rule. a lot of households dont play housing shortage

@jardex2275

2 жыл бұрын

@@maddoxandhisband9146 That's why you insist on playing by the official rules, rather than house variants. After a couple hours of them begging for you to build hotels, tell them you have a better game instead, and bring out the copy of Catan you brought with.

@CamperCarl00

2 жыл бұрын

@@maddoxandhisband9146 I mean, it's a house rule *_not_* to use the house shortage rule. That's why there's a limited number of houses in the board game.

@sandal_thong8631

2 жыл бұрын

I think the original version before Parker Bros. didn't have hotels, but just the next level in houses. So I forget: if you have to break your hotels and there's not 4x2 or 4x3 houses, you have to go to the level that remain like 1x2 or 1x3?

@13KuriMaster

2 жыл бұрын

Small problem... one of the browns is literately 1 space away from the start, the the lowest roll you can get is 2... so it is impossible to get both the browns before gong around the entire board at least once.

10:00 Real Chads mortgage Community Chest, Chance, and Luxury Tax

@KarmaTheKing

Жыл бұрын

i was getting ready for it to mortgage GO somehow.

I was simply enjoy this vid, but then the hammer spank appeared and I lost it. Subscribed

When we were younger and played board games almost every weekend as a family, i was well known (and by my brothers disliked😂) for winning more often than not. For monopoly i also used the tactic of getting the browns early, as i noticed no one wanted them. So either i got them by landing on them, or if my family members got them i could trade them for cheap, won me lots of games, untill they caught on...

Mad respect for the dedication put into developing the algo and explaining it in such a lucid manner! This is what you call quality content.

This kind of reminds me of IRL arms races and development. Most of the time it's sensible, gradual improvements, but every once in a while someone just says "F*ck it, let's try circular warships and bomb-carrying bats".

@SaHaRaSquad

2 жыл бұрын

Bat bombs were almost used in WW2 by the US. The idea was to release bats carrying tiny incendiary bombs, which would hide in random places and then go up in flames. But before it could be used the nuclear bombs were finished.

@AtlasReburdened

2 жыл бұрын

Pigeon guided missiles would have been war changers if we thought of it sooner than we did.

@con.troller4183

2 жыл бұрын

@@SaHaRaSquad Bat bombs were almost deployed against Japan but the nukes got used first and did the job.

@bkbmckee

2 жыл бұрын

@@AtlasReburdened you are cool bro. I did not think anyone else knew that bit of history

@realbadger

2 жыл бұрын

@@bkbmckee Or that *bat* of history... (I'll show myself out...)

All the little skit like scenes are killing me from laughing, jesus christ, this video has driven me into hysterics literally the whole time I was watching it xD

After so long, i’ve finally seen this legendary thumbnail again