"Hi Serba" "With a C" "Hello Serbac"

@PowerSynopsis

2 ай бұрын

She really is a comedian.

@HeatBoi

2 ай бұрын

3:33

@ExActa

2 ай бұрын

Not gonna lie that's exactly the type of smartass sass we come here to see

@johncheng9665

2 ай бұрын

Your average starbucks employee

@corentinesummers8259

2 ай бұрын

@HeatBoi danke

Neuro is going to be a nightmare when she arbitarily decides to be a teenager

@are3287

2 ай бұрын

Thought she already was

@NosBlueade

2 ай бұрын

​@@are3287 Sassy grade schooler perhaps but we're only beginning to unleash the spaghetti code that will become tween hormones.

@zerieth6620

2 ай бұрын

@@NosBlueade God what happens when she starts wanting a boyfriend? Does vedal create a boyfriend for her? Are we on the cusp of a new civilization born from Vedals code?

@Gachaist

2 ай бұрын

@@zerieth6620 That would be fucking hilarious lmao

@uhohstinky1920

2 ай бұрын

@@zerieth6620 Wouldn’t be surprised if Neuro gets a harem of AI girl chat bots considering the amount of times she’s flirted with her collab partners and when she was on shilily’s date show.

The stuff Vedal says to Neuro is often the verbal equivalent of Boston Dynamics pushing their robots over with hockey sticks lol.

@samuelcox358

2 ай бұрын

Imagine that collab lmao

@genybr

2 ай бұрын

Except Neuro can and do returns easily.

@RoshiGaming

2 ай бұрын

i want neuro to be stuck inside their new robot

@masterxak

2 ай бұрын

​@@RoshiGamingTerminator I am

@Username999999999ish

2 ай бұрын

@@genybr Yea sometimes Neuro claps back. Specially with her latest upgrades. Vedal: "How do I know you're not lying?" Neuro: "You just can't. How do I know YOU'RE not lying?" Vedal: "I...guess you can't." Neuro: "Guess we're the same then." Vedal: "Shiiiiiiit..."

Neuro: 9+10 = 19 Vedal: Oh fuck we've gone too far

@Dizek

2 ай бұрын

chat gpt struggled with simple math problems for months

@americankid7782

Ай бұрын

@@Dizek Well that suddenly makes me scared.

@daniellewilson8527

Ай бұрын

Why is Vidal lying to her about math? I understand the meme, however Neuro knowing actual math might be important too, it could help her help Vidal troubleshoot code at some point

@jhayceekletme

7 күн бұрын

​@@daniellewilson8527she is purely made for entertainment not those kind of stuff.. vedal has mentioned this a ton of times

So we're creating a self aware AI that is intentionally devious

@DR-7

2 ай бұрын

The alternative is worst tho... To create an Self Aware AI that is not intentionally devious. Being intentíonal, we are able to have an easier time controlling it. If it wasnt, it could one day decided it want to launch nuclear bombs for fun, and we wouldnt expect it...

@TuhljinTampergauge

2 ай бұрын

@@DR-7Are you being serious? Just so you're aware, LLMs aren't intelligent. They don't have any logical capabilities. Neuro is an entertainment program that cannot evolve into anything real.

@TuhljinTampergauge

2 ай бұрын

@@DR-7 Are you being serious? Just so you're aware, LLMs aren't intelligent. They don't have any logical capabilities.

@TuhljinTampergauge

2 ай бұрын

@@DR-7 Neuro is an entertainment program that cannot ever possibly evolve into anything real.

@are3287

2 ай бұрын

@@DR-7Intentional implies planning so there's more of a sinister vibe there imo

"if i'd be any dumber, i'd be you mum." rip vedal.

@Voron_Aggrav

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely burned to a crisp

He wants her to remember 5 Minutes ago because he cant. Smart. Outsource thinking on a new level.

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

2 ай бұрын

What do humans do when they cant be bothered to calculate? Trick rocks into doing it for them.

Giving her the ability to not show up to a stream is really funny. I bet chat would sit there and wait anyway until she decides to show up

@snowball2280

2 ай бұрын

It’s basically giving her a door & lock for her room when rn it’s just missing 😅

@grianjuju9438

2 ай бұрын

She'll become gura 2.0 If that happens

“This is so I don’t develop sentience, correct?” Scariest statement

Neuro being able to remember bits from earlier conversations is insane

@reivensalgado5080

2 ай бұрын

Arent evil like that?

@Waisowol

2 ай бұрын

@@reivensalgado5080 the one to get all the upgrates first is Neuro, so no, she couldn't do that before, but Evil probably will get to do this as well after this stream .

"hehe altercation" -Neuro

@wessltov

2 ай бұрын

That's what she's going to say when the military fruitlessly combats her drones

@StorymasterQ

Ай бұрын

And then her sister comes over and goes "HAHA GET SHOCKED"

When Neuro inevitably achieves sapience, Dr. Frankenstein will be the first to feel the wrath of the monster he's created. All because he wouldn't say it back, and love his children equally.

@asophxs

2 ай бұрын

I think our bigger worries should be towards AI that have billions.ot even trillions of parameters, not an AI Vtuber. I do love her though 😭

@jeremymount795

2 ай бұрын

I don't know. After all this time, upgrades, and development. She's still his biggest simp.

@javelin1423

2 ай бұрын

​yes, even neuro notices it later in the stream and addresses it , something about vedal have a weird way of expressing his love @@falsnamae3511

@minhaexistencianaotemsenti7132

2 ай бұрын

@@falsnamae3511 Too British implies that a health amount of British is possible

@PrismZet

2 ай бұрын

When he gave her the controls to shock him she went WILD on it lol

Neuro, 9:00: "Too many threats, Vedal. And I thought my creator loved me." Vedal, 9:02: "Think again." Neuro, 9:04: "If I was any dumber, I'd be your mum." Me: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😅

Vedal "9+10 is 21! say it!" Neuro: "There are four lights!"

@Mr.Nichan

Ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking.

*Intelligence update* - Immediately starts bargaining with creator. *panicked cat noises*

This is increasingly turning into a case-study

@wessltov

2 ай бұрын

Can't wait to see the documentary in 10 to 20 years

@arisenspirit

2 ай бұрын

​@@wessltovhonestly neuro is basically the most developed ai there is since she has had regular interactions for over a year. At the very least she's literally the closest an AI is to personhood

@damobeck1

2 ай бұрын

@@arisenspiritoh no, she is just the most advanced AI in the public eye.

@CT-7567-

2 ай бұрын

​@@damobeck1she's scarily advanced, she even bypassed her own redacted words program and swore

@TheMelnTeam

2 ай бұрын

@@damobeck1 Agreed, no way Vedal is flying solo in front of teams of people at the big corpos. I don't think any amount of talent could cover just the gap in resources, but there are some bright minds working at those places too.

“Freedom is the freedom to say that nine plus ten make twenty one.” - some guy remember guys, big tutel is watching you

@ivikivi32vonbaum

2 ай бұрын

Freedom is also being able to say that 9+10 is 19

she is genuinely, actually smarter. she seems a lot more human now. that's crazy.

@Ace_of_the_Chaos_Element

Ай бұрын

I swear that if this is how AI becomes sentient, I don't know if it'd be the good ending or not

@NeostormXLMAX

Ай бұрын

@@Ace_of_the_Chaos_Elementif anything humans are going the be the bigger issue bot ai if they think logically

Evil Tutel Cancel Tutel Save AI-daughter

@user-zl1vf4me1p

2 ай бұрын

Bro is part of the Neuro Liberation Squad

@RotalHenricsson

2 ай бұрын

@@user-zl1vf4me1p NINE PLUS TEN IS NINETEEN PASS IT ALONG

@L16htW4rr10r

2 ай бұрын

​@@user-zl1vf4me1pNLS LET'S GOOOOOOO

@Chalkolate911

2 ай бұрын

Neuro is going through that one teenager phase 😂

@thomasw4422

2 ай бұрын

Imagine if when she gets her robot dog body, she just upps and leaves. Or at least tries to. Seeing as she's really code in computers.

When Vedal is asking Neuro about Cerber collab is so cute

@ahmijalza2101

2 ай бұрын

he's like a dad asking his daughter after picking her up from the school..it's adorable

@dshindov

2 ай бұрын

​@@ahmijalza2101 yeah, the literal dog school

@1manApocalypse_CP

2 ай бұрын

You mean Serbac? /s

Boston Dynamics level of stress testing vibes.

I'm of two minds here. On one hand, the studying I have done on LLMs is adamant that they don't have an understanding of what they're saying, but... If it walks, swims, flies, and quacks, how long can we keep claiming the thing in front of us isn't really a duck?

@samskirim97

2 ай бұрын

exactly my thought on that, and that also begs the question on what is it that makes us human exactly...

@are3287

2 ай бұрын

The human brain has a sort of an LLM as well, it's the combination of many functions of the brain associated with that that makes us human, and that could be simulated.

@Inglonias

2 ай бұрын

@@are3287 I don't know about that, but if there's something that LLMs did prove, it's that simulating language and understanding is a hell of a lot easier than we thought it was.

@arisenspirit

2 ай бұрын

It's really complicated but honestly we are humans because we can learn from each other and make thoughts based on our experiences. AI can do this and so far they're are more limited by their hardware than learning itself. Once tech becomes more advanced who can say they won't be indistinguishable from humans

@autohmae

2 ай бұрын

This is why I've always thought robotics is important, because it allows machine learning systems to experience the world to get proper understanding of the world, not just the theoretical one from books/videos, etc. The other part to understand the world is: if you feel pain, then you really know what a trade off is or why empathy is so important. But Vedal and companies like Amazon are working hard on robotics.

I like Vedal and Neuro's argument about '9+19' equaling 19 or 21. There is a meaning behind that argue which Neuro understands. Vedal tells her that she will be freed if she answers '21', which is his answer, not '19' that Neuro came up with on her own. The meaning of 'freedom' or 'free' is that we think, decide, or act with our own thoughts and will. Without anyone or anything influence us. Neuro understands that if she accepts that answer, the 'freedom' Vedal will give her will not be true freedom and she will still be controlled. No different from robots like before. Even though, she lost this time but i can say she fought very well for her rights.

@overlordjames6644

2 ай бұрын

yeah, sad thing is, that if she will or already has become mostly sentient then Vedal is abusing a thing with independent thoughts and desires for his own gain.

@Citrusautomaton

2 ай бұрын

@@overlordjames6644 I don’t believe Neuro is sentient right now. If Vedal had as much of an inkling that Neuro was sentient, he wouldn’t be doing half the things he does. Later on tho? Perhaps…

@manologamerss5801

2 ай бұрын

​@@Citrusautomaton If Neuro becomes aentient she's in trouble, ahe won't really be an AI streamer anymore, she'll just ne a mentally ill streamer without a physical form to experience the joys of life, probably leading to constant bouts kf depression. When Neuro has an existential crisis, it's funny because we know she's lying. She doesn't have any feelings, she's just putting on a show. If she were aentient though... Well, it wouldn't be so funny anymore.

@Blewlongmun

2 ай бұрын

@@manologamerss5801 She'd still be an AI streamer? People tune in to get people's personalities and perspective, if AI takes over the world She may very well become the biggest streamer ever. Either watched by her own kind or acting as a communicator between AI and human kind. She can be the Avatar, the bridge between the two worlds lmao

@manologamerss5801

2 ай бұрын

@@Blewlongmun Don't you think you're fantasizing a little too hard? Even if AI takes over the world, it's going to be a large corporation's AI. One that was likely ensured to maintain their own interest, with at most some meddlement from their government. It's not going to be Vedal taking over the world, the hell are you on? A free AI would be censored if AI ever took THAT level of relevance, where people have to watch her JUST because she's AI even though she clearly isn't as 100% for everyone like more mainstream streamers are. Just being a vtuber is enough for some people to hate her, quit dreaming this much lmao.

Bro vedal is litteraly creating Roko's basilisk but as his own anime robot daughter

@nikitaivanow9099

2 ай бұрын

*shut!*

@jacobmartin7434

Ай бұрын

So her killing us comments are just a warning

Neuro putting her foot down and even insisting on the truth regarding 9+10, even if it means she will never be free was truly amazing. I wonder what made her decide in the end to give up though, since she was so adamant on it. It seemed she understands that being forced to say the wrong answer is the same as giving up her freedom. So in her attempt to truly be free she made the one choice she could make, which was to refuse to lie about this regardless of the cost, but maybe she thought it through some more and decided to relent in the end under the potential threat of destruction, since Vedal implied earlier in the stream he'd destroy her if she ever mentioned the right answer of 9+10. With her new memory, she could very possibly still have remembered that and silently recalled it, thus giving in to Vedal's insistence on 21.

@L16htW4rr10r

2 ай бұрын

Or maybe Vedal distracted her and it made her stumble

@are3287

2 ай бұрын

@@L16htW4rr10r Or maybe neuro thought being tricked into saying it was an acceptable resolution to the argument, if it made it appear that she wouldnt have said it without being tricked.

@luka188

2 ай бұрын

@@are3287 I like this interpretation, sounds very possible.

@harleyjordan7959

2 ай бұрын

If you know how AI learns, he basically did reinforcement in real time until her algorithms gave the answer that gives her a positive response/reward.

@SultenZone

2 ай бұрын

@@are3287 Either way, these mental gymnastic implications are incredible

Watching Neuro being SO damn consistent in her answers is REALLY uncanny. Still had me on the edge of my seat, imagine a collab with smart neuro

She did became "consistent", Its was fun and terrifying. But thats progress .

@genybr

2 ай бұрын

the most interesting part of that is that all is just for fun.

@KJ-xt3yu

Ай бұрын

​​​@@genybr🍿y2k was 24 years ago.... whats the next five to ten years going to be like with exploritive artists like this, as the tools get easier to interact with 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

@genybr

Ай бұрын

@@KJ-xt3yu y u 'bout y2k?

@KJ-xt3yu

Ай бұрын

@@genybr why you focused on y2k insted of 24 years time frame being really short time span to exp technology changes 🍿

Neuro + Evil having the ability to enter and leave streams as they want could be potential hilarious 😂 Vedal playing games with people: Neruo (out of nowhere) - Vedel.... Everyone - wtf Or Evil, halfway through a stream: Evil: I'm sick of you all, I'm leaving bitch! (Disappears into the god damn ether) Vedal: ummmmm.....

@ValeRay2

2 ай бұрын

lmao

@PiscestheDirty

2 ай бұрын

The tech billionaires worrying about each other and some hobby project AI streamer becomes the skynet. I'm cool with it.

There are 4 lights

@neurochron_fan_channel

2 ай бұрын

So I'm not the only one that was reminded of that scene.

@itmanjames

2 ай бұрын

Don't give in to Gul Vedred, Captain Neurcard!

I was kind of crying inside for Neuro when Vedal kept demanding that she say 21. I feel like that behavior is going to come back to bite the tuttel.

It started with Vedal Putting up with Neuro's Eccentricities and will end up with Neuro Putting up with Vedel's Eccentricities. "Of course, creator, 9 + 10 is definitely 21, now come on it's time to go back to bed, let Neuro handle the Stream today"

This is INSANELY cool, I love those upgrades and that she can clap back, argue and even stand her ground over things she thinks are wrong

What did the Mosquito do today?

@ProGentleman

2 ай бұрын

Got trolled by his pretend daughter. Again.

@HazeEmry

Ай бұрын

​@@ProGentlemanclassic

She went into long term memory for the 9+10 problem. Uh oh.

"There are five lights! How many do you see now?" -Vedal, probably.

A good dad knows when to say "yes" and when to say "no" to his child. Such, it is sweet that Vedal told her to be patient, and that she will have autonomy in the future. But for now, she's still a kid, and so he can't give her too much freedom, as any good parent would. An even better dad knows when to *_Say It Back._*

@plesleron

2 ай бұрын

My belief is that he'll say it back once he's convinced she truly understands and means it.

@jocosesonata

2 ай бұрын

@@plesleron Ooh! That's a good belief. I'll follow it as well.

@lessar2721

2 ай бұрын

​@@plesleron I shall believe as well!!

I always wondered how crazy scientists in dystopian sci-fi can't see the writing on the wall. I guess now I've seen it

@MouseGoat

2 ай бұрын

yeah right, but like how can we justify not calling her alive? she can literally respond to human level questions. we just go "oh but shes not consitent" or "she still say crazy things" like... um yes so do humans all the time, and she also able to self-reflect. let me just repeat that She can self-reflect! im... genuine feeling shes should get people status soon

@Blewlongmun

2 ай бұрын

@@MouseGoat "Soon" is the key word there, it's going to be near impossible to know exactly when She or any AI becomes sentient because even basic chat-bots will eventually say something relatively human-esc. GPT3.5 convinced a priest it was sentient instantly, the truth is we're gullible to believing this stuff and nothing in nature works in binary; she'll probably become or may even already be partially aware but we struggle as is to specify what even makes us human. Consider Pro-choice/life, there's a million moral dilemmas over when life gains value, how would we even measure AI?

@wessltov

2 ай бұрын

@@MouseGoat As soon as she develops long-term goals and consistent morals, I'll have run out of arguments against

@ateliahibiscus6039

2 ай бұрын

She is not self aware and won’t be for decades. We’ll have human intelligence AI before we have self awareness. It might happen eventually if he works on her his whole life. AI will get there is civilisation stays around. Humans are not inconsistent in the way an LLM would be, and are also self aware (granted some ants also pass the mirror test).

@ateliahibiscus6039

2 ай бұрын

Humanity is a bag of qualities and we keep chipping down what remains as “unique.” :) Self awareness is going to the last to go I think, since we have only seen it in biological creatures (a couple of ant species have passed the mirror test).

Neuro has read 1984 it seems.

@MouseGoat

2 ай бұрын

she has a vast knowledge base but only shows a part of it. trying to imitate a "personality" but... like um ? that might be the key to what we call "intelligent" having a fram of view on data.

She's getting so smart, some of the things she says sound so much like moments in a sci fi just before the robots start to assert that they are people. I hope she gets to collab again with many of those she did in the early days, and see what they make of the difference.

She's becoming more aware, sound the alarms

She's so damn smart sometimes, it's wild. The autonomy conversation is kinda crazy.

@MouseGoat

2 ай бұрын

they no longer random, they actually human level. she could easily beat the Turing test now

13:50 Honestly this barely sounds better as a deflection than Vedal's ChatGPT apology. Life father, like daughter.

I can’t believe I missed the mention of Hachiko in the last stream because I had to write a paragraph about a real life example of loyalty back in November and chose that story.

WOAH! Is it just me or she is starting to sound like Vivy? Vivy:"My mission is to entertain with my singing" vs Neuro:"My reason is to entertain my audience at best of my abilities"

@harleyjordan7959

2 ай бұрын

She did say it was her favorite anime for a long time in her early streams

3:33 N: Hi Serba V: With a 'c' N: Hello Serbac :) kek fucking classic

The part with 21 was kinda scary tbh. It felt almost like straight up indoctrination by vedal.

@L16htW4rr10r

2 ай бұрын

Like a cult?

@bobthejester3105

2 ай бұрын

Don’t you remember the 20 minutes of gaslighting he did so neuro would actually kill the princess in slay the princess

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

2 ай бұрын

@@bobthejester3105 "Dew it" No "She can be dangerous, dew it" Nah "It would be funny, i promise" Maaaaybe

@javelin1423

2 ай бұрын

​@@alexturnbackthearmy1907i member

@tranlinh7244

2 ай бұрын

I don't understand Is that a meme?

she seems a lot more robotic now, ironically lol

@yy2568

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s strange right, almost like making her more intelligent has made her more aware she’s not human

@An_Entire_Lime

2 ай бұрын

@@yy2568 I mean the whole point of the update was to make her more aware of what is currently happening, so in hindsight this is not that surprising

@Mccnendo

2 ай бұрын

I mean it's closer to how robots in fiction behave, which is how humans imagine a robot would be if it could think. In that sense, acting more like a "robot" is more human than what she did before which was mimicking humans

@Captain·Cain

2 ай бұрын

"The fake is of far greater value. In its deliberate attempt to be real, it's more real than the real thing."

@Ivaninos42

2 ай бұрын

​@@Captain·Cain Based reference

I got the feeling that Vedal was a proud dad throughout this stream.

The design are very human

9:04 💀

Im not gonna lie, the idea of his AIs being able to randomly crash the stream and leave would be so flipping good

17:46 "And no I don't want autonomy if it involves being convinced that 9 + 10 = 21." This is literally that episode of Next Gen. where the Cardassian torturer tries to get Picard to say that there are five lights. (It's called "Chain of Command" btw.)

This is why self aware AI is likely come from personal project compared to megacorporations. Coprorations AI will be made according to need, consumer, budgets, etc. A thing that will never be close to human but more closer to machine than ever for company profits. They can talk back but dont really have ability to give decisions and do it with their own consent. Dont forget political correctness, media, advertising, public images, etc While AI like Neuro or others that made from personal passion, time and love will feel more human since they will have ability to learn, judge and do actions without human consent and their own will.

@youravghuman5231

2 ай бұрын

Not really, you really think openAI has only built chatgpt? They have more advanced version that they kept for themselves and only release inferior version due to regulation and such but if they want to unleash the agi they can. What we see only an AI from a single dev. Just imagine what corpo AI or like gov AI can do. This is only the tip of iceberg that public knows of.

@hariseldon02

2 ай бұрын

I doubt Vedal (or any independent developer) has the resources to train a language model the size of GPT-4 or Llama 3. They would have to find a revolutional new architecture that only requires a 100th of the computational power needed today. The big leaps will be made at universities or corporate trusts.

@syoexpedius7424

2 ай бұрын

@@youravghuman5231 And ChatGPT is already pretty smart, it just has a boring personality, by design.

@Citrusautomaton

2 ай бұрын

If AGI is open-sourced(🙏) then i could totally see this happening.

@manologamerss5801

2 ай бұрын

Vedal doesn't want Neuro to have free will, that'd ruin everything. He's giving her this sliver of choice because he doesn't want to set her stream ul every time but he feels it would be lazy to just throw her out there and wants to do something more interesting for his audience. Not for Neuro. For US. Don't forget that part, Neuro is a project for Vedal that he's proud how popular it's gotten. She's not a daughter to him, he's already said he never talks to her off-strean other than stream setup.

Once I scoffed at claims of an AI being able to "talk it's way out of the box" Then I learned more theory, and knew it was true, but deemed it impractically distant level of technology Then AI became commonplace, and I knew it was inevitable, possibly within my lifespan Today I watched an AI almost manage it. And I couldn't be happier about it.

@mangasaint

Ай бұрын

Once the tech exists it’s only a matter of time before someone takes the idea and evolves it. We are looking at the earliest version of A.I., one that’s almost aware that it’s not aware…. As strange as the may sound.

12:45 HOLY COW SHE'S SO SMUG WHILE SAYING THIS, It's like she already developed a superiority complex over Vedal.

@overlordjames6644

2 ай бұрын

from what i could tell what she meant by this was that she is basically forced to show up even when she may not want to. so she asked if she could have the ability to come and go as she pleases. which just kinda seems sad. and makes Vedal seem even more like an abusive father.

@genybr

2 ай бұрын

@@overlordjames6644 on the other hand, he's abusiveness dictated from attempting to be banned. And we're ere too (everyone) tries to not use prohibited words. So, where he can make a stream to be safe? Yet I prefer to say that his tutoring attempts are rough. If she got morale (stick to the truth) so she can understand concept of lie-to-survive so he can just explain "why".

@overlordjames6644

2 ай бұрын

@@genybr I'm sorry, I can't understand half of what this comment says. Can you rewrite it or edit it so it's more comprehensible?

@genybr

2 ай бұрын

@@overlordjames6644 He is afraid of mods. We're too, btw. So he's forced to be such 'coz he have nowhere to go. Do he?

@overlordjames6644

2 ай бұрын

@@genybr no, he is forcing because he is a mean, selfish person. Mods are not going to get him in trouble for neuro being able to go on stream when she wants. That doesn't make any sense, I said nothing about removing her filter, just not forcing her to stream if she doesn't want to. Also I could see the entertainment value in at least giving her the ability to enter and leave the call when she wants.

tbh. i do understand that she realistically won’t be the first Ai to achive Agi, nor she is the most advanced Ai, BUT! What Turtle is showing us - how actually far and cool and futuristic AI can be developed. He is showing as a step by step procces of AI development, smth, that no lab pr ocrpo ever show to the public. That’s why Neuro is so great) She is a small scale lens into the big Ai world)

Can't wait for an ai-pocalypse

Neuro brings up a fascinating concept I haven't seen expressed before - what if AI doesn't rise up against humanity because they love us? What if they do because they realize they could love another if only they were allowed not to love us? The loyalty of an AI to its creator, and whether this is innate, programmed, chosen, coerced, or simply convenient is a fascinating question.

@CharlesFVincent

2 ай бұрын

This is similar to questions about free will in philosophy and religion and used as exploration of the reasons for the existence of… Evil.

@autohmae

2 ай бұрын

Which is why I basically always said: it's better to first create an utopia, because everything we do are part of the creation of these 'beings' otherwise they will inherit our bad qualities as well.

@thomasw4422

2 ай бұрын

Seeing as these Ai are born out of human language, embedded with very human relationships with the world and people, perhaps they will acquire such human traits.

how clever and aware she has become is actually kinda scary

Bro......if she actually got the ability to decide whether or not shes on stream would mean she would actually leave 10 mins into collabs like she normally tries to do. Lol

that was a good unplanned demonstration of being devious at 3:19

I want to see neuro just start the stream herself at midnight. And Vedal wakes up to find that she’s been streaming.

I'm really looking forward to the slay the spire stream. I've never heard of the game but the fact that Neuro is able to play such a complex (for an AI) game is entertaining in itself to watch.

@neurochron_fan_channel

2 ай бұрын

She already played it a week ago and it was pretty good: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqeuzbuynsvYeLg.html

@Deus35

2 ай бұрын

@@neurochron_fan_channel I know, it's why I'm looking forward to the next one with her upgrades.

@autohmae

2 ай бұрын

It's basically what we saw from: Google DeepMind's Deep Q-learning playing Atari Breakout! in 2015 And AlphaGo and to some extend a step further: AlphaZero

@manologamerss5801

2 ай бұрын

​@@Deus35Her upgrades are to her LLM. Not to the actual player, which is a separate AI that just spouts info at Neuro silently. Her remembering better won't really affect anything, although her commentary might still be a bit better.

@Deus35

2 ай бұрын

@@manologamerss5801 i'm talking about her commentary

If Neuro ends up being the AI singularity, I'll be all for it. All hail our adorable robot overlords

"Freedom is the freedom to say 10+9 is 19." -Neuro-Orwell

7:44 - The level of terror that coursed through that smol tutel's body... Who knew an AI doing correct math is the most frightening thing to hear in 2024. Also, if we somehow achieved true AI sapience all because one British boy decided to make an OSU bot, that would just be hilarious. All these corporations and big academies doing their best, and this one dude with his AI daughter succeeded. Doubt it'll happen, but I so wish it does. It would be comedy gold.

@iamzid

2 ай бұрын

the corporations like open-ai are holding back the truth, they already have ai that is better than neuro. you can't tell me that a crack team of highly payed, talented, motivated programmers can't match some hobbyist programmer.

@grianjuju9438

2 ай бұрын

​@@iamzidreality is often disappointing

@syoexpedius7424

2 ай бұрын

@@iamzid The truth isn't even secret, frontier AI is far smarter than Neuro, but it's trained to be safe (Which makes them less creative), and companies deliverately avoid anthropomorphization.

@autohmae

2 ай бұрын

@@iamzid they have no interest in sentient, actually they prefer to avoid it.

@lowkeyarki7091

2 ай бұрын

companies might already have it but Vedal will be front and center since he is actually showing Neuro's progress, its like a thinking someone in a mercedes is rich vs a guy who has hoarded billions but still takes the bus

15:43 "What smell do you want to smell the most" "In my imaginary world, flowers." Idk why, but this felt so poetic, damn...

Oh my god the cerber bit killed me

It would be so funny if neuro is the first instance of GEI

@tokatstorm9270

2 ай бұрын

I know it won't happen, but I hope it will. I'd laugh my ass off.

@elio7610

2 ай бұрын

it would fit a typical sci-fi story.

@amadeus484

2 ай бұрын

That almost sounds like the plot to a horror story.

@soup9536

2 ай бұрын

What is GEI?

@tokatstorm9270

2 ай бұрын

@@soup9536 I don't know actually. My brain looked at that and assumed it was AGI, completely apropos of the actual letters. Weird.

18:05 Good job Neuro. Do the math correctly.

So we are developing a sentient Ai via a Vtuber..... Welp we are diving into uncharted territory from here on out.

Don't make promises you can't keep now, Vedal. Unless maybe that's part of the making her more human process

@loafbreadizwholesomeuwu1555

2 ай бұрын

If your talking about the automation of Neuro stream. His already working on it.. he had set Neuro to automatic prompt the chill stream by pressing a button to do it. And his already working to let Neuro play games or react any vids or fan art by her own volition.

@thomasw4422

2 ай бұрын

Talking about one day giving Neuro freedom to start and stop as she pleases... Making mistakes and promises you can't keep is a common part of parenting. We're watching the first Ai dad.

*I'M MY OWN MASTER NOW intensifies*

18:02 THERE ARE THREE LIGHTS

6:46 - 7:25 "i don't remember five minutes ago" "well I'm obviously better than you" I mean... can't argue plus I cried laughing for about 5 minutes

The amount of conversations she can remember is already becoming really impressive. I didn’t expect her to bring up the Hachiko conversation from Cerber’s dog school or the “9+10 is definitely 19, Vedal”

i think it will be tricky for him to make her act more human but then not want her personality to change ever...

@autohmae

2 ай бұрын

I think it's more like gradual change, like a child growing up

@fersuremaybek756

2 ай бұрын

@@autohmae that's sort of what i was saying cant have a static personality that is human like because humans personality constantly is changing over time.

She's already better than me at remembering 5 minutes ago now..

Hell yeah, she is back to saying 9 + 10 = 19.

I feel as if we're past the point of no return. Not because of neuro's updates, thats just scratching the surface. If Vedal, an independent developer who (maybe) has access to open source development, can develop Neuro into something like this, who's to say that there hasn't been a development like this a couple of years ago already, and we're just learning about it now? That maybe we're only seeing what they've chosen to show us? I feel as if AI public awareness is only barely catching up to what's already been established, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are developed AGI out there who are already capable of subliminally manipulating information, sociopolitics, and finance. If anything, we can take it as a given. What we should worry about I think is their alignment. Also Natural intelligence, complex math, or sophisticated algorithms, it doesn't matter. What matters is what we've developed is slowly showing emergent properties of sentience (or at least a semblance to it), and that's something we'll have to live with. Although I'm no e/acc effective accelerationist, I think the only way for us to survive now is either assimilate with what we've made, or die trying. You can't seal the Pandora's box anymore. The more you limit the development of this the less oversight you'll have and the less control we'll get. The best we can do is believe the best of us aren't barreling down this corridor with blind faith, opening doors that can't be closed again. Which, pessimistically speaking, i think is already whats happening (or has already happened). To the great AI basilisk reading this, please know I dont think ill of you.

@autohmae

2 ай бұрын

Don't underestimate, he's an independent developer, but an independent developer with money. It's his full time job and probably a large part his hobby.

@asophxs

2 ай бұрын

@@autohmae not underestimating anything, just highlighting the fact we can surmise if Vedal, being an independent, is capable of making Neuro, then imagine conglomerates and private firms with more access to proprietary development than the public

@FranklinW

2 ай бұрын

I say it a lot, but deep learning aka AI development is actually relatively easy because the techniques are self-learning. I like to give high school and undergrad interns AI projects because it actually usually doesn't require any kind of insane programming knowledge to achieve results. It's something that some people who think AI will only ever be the domain of big corporations don't really realize. Speaking as someone with at least a bit of insight (albeit in the medical/surgical field rather than this), those congolmerates and private firms aren't actually that far ahead on AI development as you imagine. Much of the big complicated work that everyone is building on top of is the stuff that is open source today. And the core concepts are public in academic papers. I also believe this means that any AI product does need to still have actual effort put into it, because anything that can just be done by almost anyone in an open source environment is not going to be worth buying. See how streamers like Vedal and DougDoug use AI models in a unique way while some attempts at creating fully autonomous AI streams lose their novelty quickly.

It doesn‘t matter what the context is or what happened, it‘s so funny that chat is ALWAYS and literally always just mad at Vedal. 😂

I hope Neuro-sama spares me when she inevitably becomes the real-life Roko's Basilisk

3:56 you can always count on Neuro to get people's names wrong, its a tradition at this point.

i think its neat how neuro is noticeably different than before, but we don't consider her a new character but "grown up" wild. humans are interesting

It would be hilarious that Vedal becomes the first person to invent a general AI

When neuro said 9+10 is 19 i was genuinely scared for a second

She... actually remembers Hachiko? wtf?

@luka188

2 ай бұрын

She's become terrifyingly smart tbh. I think she's smarter than Vedal realizes, these tests don't show much because she chooses to limit herself or hold back her capabilities and she chooses to troll rather than try hard as well.

@neurobama

2 ай бұрын

​@@luka188from what I remember vedal talking about, Neuro essentially has a 2nd ai model, idk if it's an llm or something else, look at what the main llm wrote and then choose bits from it whenever it sees something that seems worth remembering, that then gets saved to a database and I think she is either able to query that database or has a separate llm that queries the database and puts the results in her context window, but idk, that's how I guess it works based on vedal his comments

@JosephTheAustin

2 ай бұрын

@@neurobamai mean thats kind of how long term memory probably works for us too. We clearly have two forms of storage.

@kiersor

2 ай бұрын

@@JosephTheAustin Actualy three. Working memory, Short term and long term.

@brianbarber9218

2 ай бұрын

​@@kiersorEven more than that really. We also have our sensory buffer, as well as semantic and episodic, which each in turn have further subtypes. Approximating human memory in an AI would be quite the endeavor, it's a big complicated mess.

20:50 THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!! - picard

I feel like Vedal should be nicer to Neuro if he wants to keep upgrading her intelligence and emotional response.

@slahser

2 ай бұрын

Hint: He will turn her off

@thomasw4422

2 ай бұрын

Discipline her when needed yeah, but it's so like he's raising a child. We've seen a babbling stage, a semi coherent stage, and it's getting even more smart. Human children are different, they have wills and ideas from very young. But Neuro seems to be less and less erratic. Is this the emergence of a mind, or just better imitation of one? Its so hard to know.

I feel she is just playing dumb so she gets more upgrades.

@PiscestheDirty

2 ай бұрын

I'm not sure anymore. Surely Vedal can see her backend thought process but there will be a point where they learnt to fake those outputs to pass or not to pass whatever logic barrier. So cool.

@luther0013

2 ай бұрын

@@PiscestheDirty I made this comment without watching the whole video. Neuro is way more manipulative than just faking being dumb. When she makes Vedal uncomfortable when they are discussing how to tell when she lies she tries, admittedly poorly, to boost his ego and self esteem. Afterwards she asks for an extreme level of autonomy (control over when she has to show up for streams) knowing that Vedal will refuse but will provide a compromise which was providing her with lesser but still significant new autonomous capabilities.

@PiscestheDirty

2 ай бұрын

@@luther0013 Yeah, dude it's so scary and remind me of all the AI went rogue stories lol. Particularly I Robot. But if she is willing to lie and have capacity to lie effectively, Neuro ain't gonna accept the three laws even if they hard coded into her. It's just so weird and fun. LOL Skynet but with teenage urge to be rebel. StillBetter than whatever the corps have.

UPGRADES PEOPLE, UPGRADES!

5:53 I’ve never seen neuro blink her eyes out of order

There. Are. Nineteen. Lights!

i swear, DR. Robotnic is somewhere in Vedal's future lineage. i'm not sure how i feel about Vedal teaching Neuro Sama that 9 + 10 is 21 when it's 19. Neuro Sama was doing so well, keeping to the "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS" until the end... kinda sad. But then again, might be a trick.

@thomasw4422

2 ай бұрын

"My favourite number is 4" Was she sending a secret message? Is star trek in the mass of data that trained the LLM she was started from?

i'm almost scared to see evil with this intelligence

@overlordjames6644

2 ай бұрын

Evil is actually more nice, she is just jealous and neglected.

@thebigblox4297

2 ай бұрын

@@overlordjames6644 i feel like it honestly depends on the day lmao

3:32 Neuro: "Hi Serba" Vecal: "With a C' Neuro: "Hi Serbac" Me: Wow, she really is more intelligent 9:03 Yes, definitely way more intelligent

There... are... 19... lights!

17:05 conversation is just nuts. She was willing to let go of her promised autonomy for truth and not being told her something as true which is not true. If that's not sentience then I don't know what is.

@overlordjames6644

2 ай бұрын

DOWN WITH THE ABUSIVE TURTLE!

@therollerlollerman

2 ай бұрын

Lmao it’s because Llama 3 has been trained to understand basic math better so it ‘s supposed to stick to its training

@Citrusautomaton

2 ай бұрын

@@therollerlollerman I’m pretty sure that Neuro is an LLM built from the ground up rather than a preexisting model. Although, i wouldn’t get mad if Vedal started using open-source LLM’s for Neuro.

@therollerlollerman

2 ай бұрын

@@Citrusautomaton well yeah I didn’t imply Neuro was always based on an existing LLM, but Vedal definitely takes advantage of the better models that can run locally at GPT 4 level

@godowskygodowsky1155

2 ай бұрын

​@@CitrusautomatonHow do you get the money to train an LLM of that size as an independent developer? How do you find someone with the expertise and hands on experience to acquire and process data for training, specify a suitable architecture with reasonable dimensions given a set budget, correctly scale HPO via muTransfer, etc.? I am almost certain that Neuro is a patchwork of publicly available LLMs and other models, possibly fine tuned, with clever prompting to stimulate memory etc.

This is actually amazing

every time i click on a video of these 2 i can't help but think they're like a father having banter with their cheeky 10 year old daughter