I love that you make this videos. I had a really hard time understanding MCTS when reading papers. Now that I finally got it I find your explanation very useful for newcomers. I'm currently writing my masters dissertation and I'm working on the GVGP area. Keep up the good work man.

@AIandGames

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I agree when I first started reading about MCTS I found it quite difficult to understand. Best of luck with the dissertation!

@ludelaire

4 жыл бұрын

I feel totally identified with this comment, as I'm currently in a similar situation (writing my master's final project) and this video helped me lots.

@mongoose4960

3 жыл бұрын

Very cool, I‘m just getting started on my Master‘s Research, I hope it goes okay :)

explanation is great but the pace is too fast. Hard to focus.

Great video. Thanks!

really good explanation

hey mate, love your work - for this video though recon it would have been cool to show more diagrams and or walk through a couple of examples. Kind of sounds like you are just reading out of textbook with titles in this video though :(

great video

I feel like a variant of the MCTS would have it pit against real time players, so people could see it change over time. Like making a chess AI that learns from its mistakes.

So, how closely related is this to human decision making? Parts of it look analogous to how I try to pick good moves in turn based games (especially when it’s an important turn and the game has got away from me a bit), but I’ve no idea whether that means there’s an actual connection.

@pixboi

Жыл бұрын

I think its very similar, but our accuracy and computing speed of simulating possible outcomes is much lower, hence its inaccurate. A beginner chess player sees only the current state, and potentially what effects his decision now could have in the short future.

Interesting stuff, even for a layman.

Great. Idea, but it would be nice to see practical examples.

@AlexanderGoncharenko

5 жыл бұрын

Civilization uses them as far as I know

@theblue3554

4 жыл бұрын

late reply but alpha go uses this along with Neural Nets

@generichuman_

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderGoncharenko @Quantum MoOse lol, I think he means examples where you work out the math on paper, not known implementations of this algorithm

@TheRageCommenter

3 жыл бұрын

@@theblue3554 was gonna say that too

Isnt there a mistake from Simulation to Backpropagation? I think the amount of wins should be incremented for the white player as well. At the new position 0/1 black lost, but white won, so the upper node`s win variable should be incremented, shouldnt it?

Thanks for the video, it would be awesome if you can also provide your sources in the description.

Thanks for this video..

I think I understood most of the video, but there's one thing I'm unsure about: Once the game advances in reality, is the existing tree normally thrown away or is part of it reused?

@AIandGames

6 жыл бұрын

That's a good question! The original versions of MCTS would discard the tree at the end of the whole playout phase. Given it had made the decision it needed and would then start all over again - which is a touch wasteful. There's been a lot of research since then into developing new variants of the UCT method that stores all or part of the tree such that it is more memory efficient, but also helps to minimise how many exploitation playouts are required to repeatedly establish how strong that corner of the tree is.

The thing that makes me confused is the backpropagation step. Let's say you have two players, grey and black like in 5:11. The grey player won the simulation, however you increment only the number of games played back up to the tree. Shouldn't you also increment the number of wins everywhere for grey player? Because as players make moves alternately they both want to make best move, so it would be more intuitive to increment the number of wins, to select the tree path more often as the algorithm work (I saw it in many articles about MCTS)

@emil5355

2 жыл бұрын

Yes exactly! I was thinking the same thing. Im glad I found your comment. I think you are right.

thanks

where is the advantage for my network then ? what does the network learns from the results of the MCTS?

@chrysaorglamdring6819

Жыл бұрын

is it not obvious in the name? "tree search"

Music in the background is too loud. It's distracting for me.

I don't understand the random play part of the algorithm. How would randomly making advancements show any sort of advantage in a given position? For an example, chess: Making random moves is generally considered the worst method of playing the game as it can very easily throw away your advantage. So how does this concept of randomly simulating games result in any concept of advantage?

@emil5355

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, take a look at Monte Carlo Experiments. It's a matter of mathematic principles. The premise is "the more random samples you gather in a specific event (in this case the event is winning from this position), the more accurate your idea of the right probability of that event occuring becomes. You should also consider that the machine is doing an incredibly high amount of simulations per second. I dont know the number here but maybe millions? And thus the probability of getting a win from a certain position gets more and more accurate, the more random simulations are done. I hope I could help a bit.

@aesopm9200

Жыл бұрын

the reason it *might* work is that we are building up the tree, and that part isn't random. so we have a smart first few moves (the tree) and then random. at first it will be very bad. after many many tries, the tree builds up and it starts to be better. this is not intuitive. additionally, we don't have to do pure random, although afaik that does work often. we certainly need something that is fast. we might bias with a certain probability towards moves that usually make sense. at some point we might cut it off and use a heuristic to evaluate the position (this could be necessary for sure in a game that is unbounded). for example, counting stones could be a score heuristic in Go. but we might make a few random moves first. a mate in 2 might be detected by random play. in Ms Pacman quite a few random moves might survive. and in contrast if we are trapped we would notice that moving at random quite quickly.

You sound a lot like Craig Ferguson