It's honestly miraculous that Mon Mothma's throwaway deleted scene actress from all the way back in the prequels turned out to be INSANELY CAPABLE AT HER JOB.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Right?! Such unexpectedly great casting.

@jacobyarnell7600

5 ай бұрын

​Video is great, good charisma, funny. New favorite ytber rn ​@@drunkbanthas

@drunkbanthas

5 ай бұрын

Aww shucks. Thanks for the kind words. 😁

@arneczool6614

5 ай бұрын

The weird thing is ... this explanation works for nearly all actors in Andor. None of them sounded promissing if someone told you about it in advance, but they all just nailed it in the end. Even side characters like Mon Mothmas ISB chauffeur act believable and precise.

@fritzerland2210

5 ай бұрын

@@arneczool6614Andor was filmed in England during Covid when everything was shut down, so even side characters with only a couple of lines are played by out-of-work top English theater actors.

… also … Andor even makes Rogue One BETTER. If you rewatch it now, you suddenly recognise so much more depth in many places, its just amazing.

@thatrandomnoob8611

6 ай бұрын

Now when Melshi dies it’s more devastating than some random named Rebel.

@terrified057t4

5 ай бұрын

Yup, having Luthen pick apart how Andor exaggerates his life, then rewatching Rogue One and the "I'VE BEEN IN THIS FIGHT SINCE I WAS SIX YEARS OLD" tells me it was Andor stretching the truth for shock value, since it did work on Jyn who didn't know he was lying XD

@thatrandomnoob8611

5 ай бұрын

@@terrified057t4 I actually think the 6 year old comment refers to his real parents apparent death. We see him as a kid without any adults. So something happened prior.

@oXRaptorzXo

5 ай бұрын

Andor in S1 E9: “Nobody’s listening!” Andor in Rogue one after sending the plans, to Jyn, “Do you think, anybody is listening?”

@bobsavage3317

5 ай бұрын

☺

I've noticed that we're seeing a lot of "Andor" vs "Ashoka" after we saw "Andor" vs "Kenobi" and "Andor" vs "Mando saeason 3". To me that clearly shows where the benchmark is.

@Sultan_Vader_VI

5 ай бұрын

Ngl andor was good but I didn’t vibe with it as much as kenobi and Ahsoka. Maybe I just like force sensitive action and legends references? Idk probably. Andor wasn’t my favorite but it was still good.

@Tokmurok

3 ай бұрын

​@@Sultan_Vader_VIpotato brain cant handle no dopamine glow sticks on screen

@Sultan_Vader_VI

3 ай бұрын

I didn’t dislike Andor I just didn’t rank it as top 1 show…

@user-ly5qi9zb5t

3 ай бұрын

If we all liked the same thing. Life would be unbearable. No need to apologise for what u enjoy. From what I see Ashoka was a cool animated character with cool weird snaky head, hair thing. But in the live action it looks like a plastic helmet and she is slow in fighting, wooden and dull speaking. The fault is not the actors. Filoni writes worse dialogue than George Lucas on a bad day. George’s films had a few poor lines each. Filoni’s shows have the occasional good lines. Andor is flawless.

@Sultan_Vader_VI

3 ай бұрын

Eh, I think filoni’s done well in maintaining lore and incorporating Star Wars legends. Andor was good but it felt kinda like a “common man in Star Wars” sort of thing. It’s Star Wars without the fantasy element which is one of the things I enjoy the most about Star Wars (especially ancient Sith lore). Though I did still like Andor and will be watching the next season.@@user-ly5qi9zb5t

Luthen is in my top 5 favorite SW characters, he really puts the war in Star Wars

@mrcat3493

6 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, he' s a great character.

@coreysomers8764

6 ай бұрын

Luthen is amazing. @@mrcat3493

@jwativ13

6 ай бұрын

Luthen has so much depth to his character. And or was such a pleasant surprise that really boosts the Original Trilogy and shows how competent the Empire is supposed to be.

Ahsoka: written by an animator turned writer used to writing 25min episodes of a kid friendly cartoon. Andor: written by award winning dramatists the Gilroy bros.,(Tony- Bourne series, Dan - Nightcrawler)Beau Willimon (House of Cards, Ides of March) Stephen Schiff (The Americans) all of whom know how to write political and espionage thrillers with deep character development. It's glaringly obvious why Andor is better.

@Unfilteredbachelor

6 ай бұрын

🙌🙌 just lots of fact dropping right here!

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, Andor has some serious heavy hitters on their roster Fer sure

@treecat125

6 ай бұрын

To be fair, Filoni actually did a good job with Ahsoka towards the end of the Clone Wars. He was also involved with writing Baylan Skoll. However, these accomplishments have nothing against the skill of Tony Gilroy. 😂

@alexzhao9868

5 ай бұрын

Filoni has the same issue as George Lucas. Both are good writers and proven themselves to write great characters and stories, but give them too much creative control and it starts failing apart

@Bob-qz5yj

5 ай бұрын

rebels is actually solid though. Very nice as long you as you go into understanding it's designed for kids, and even then. Very underrated.

The problem with Ahsoka is that the Ahsoka in Ahsoka is not the same Ahsoka that was in The Clone Wars or even in Rebels.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

I felt the same way

@terrified057t4

5 ай бұрын

Yup, exactly. Filoni took the Kurosawa wise samurai type of character and painted Ahsoka over it. Bro forgot his OC's entire character...

@iroseart3369

5 ай бұрын

Her entire character was assassinated as soon as she spoke in mandalorian season 2. She was a character who saw the flaws of the jedi and walked away from them...Having her return to those very same values that almost executed her for a crime she didn't commit is INSANE. And what's even more insane is that this could've been a compelling arc connected to her experience with fighting Anakin/Vader in rebels. But they don't tackle these layers and complexity at all. Ahsoka was once such a colorful and significant character and now she's lost all her depth.

@terrified057t4

5 ай бұрын

@@iroseart3369 Yeah insanely surprising Dave did this to his OC lol, bro became a weeaboo and slaughtered his girl in the process XD

@RMadaraPlay

5 ай бұрын

​@@terrified057t4 Probably because ahsoka isn't his OC and he just took credit from a story made by someone better than him

Thrawn's tactics were so cool in the Thrawn Trilogy books. I was kinda disappointed by how his strategy in Ahsoka was "I know about my enemies" "Lets put mines where they are coming from"

@drunkbanthas

5 ай бұрын

Haha Yeah, I heard Thrawn was a G in the books.

@Lobsterwithinternet

5 ай бұрын

You can't write a character smarter than their writer.

@Sultan_Vader_VI

5 ай бұрын

Ahsoka was filoni and favreau, plus we haven’t seen his full tactics yet ik this era as he hasn’t had a proper naval engagement with another fleet

Didn’t help that Thrawn’s tactical genius was “fire all the canons at this open field they need to cross to get to us” and to overcome his tactical genius our heroes just needed to… run across said field.

I think part of the problem with Ahsoka is that Dawson plays her the exact same way as she does in The Mandalorian. Which works for that show as when she shows up, she's basically the Yoda of the story-- the wise mentor/guide that helps the protagonist on their way. That kind of portrayal works for a show where she's not the focus, but when your main character is just a flat board that crosses her arms and occasionally does something that looks cool, it really just sucks the life out of the show.

To be honest, Andor is the only reason why I still do care about new SW releases

100%. When I watched Andor and discovered who Gilroy was, I was like please give this guy the keys to the Star Wars universe. He could fix it all.

@ThespianPrince13

5 ай бұрын

Yeah. Forget Dave Filonious and his Ahsoka wank. Imagine if Tony Gilroy made Boba Fett-

After watching Andor all of the other star wars shows felt like live action cartoons.

The issue is with Mando (s2-3) and Ahsoka are they push the season to be 1 long movie so you have episodes where they are just walking in a forest and nothing happens. In a feature that’s 3 hours long… no problem but a tv needs peaks and valleys in every episode. If you watch andor, every episode plays out this way. Every episode or block or episodes have a self contained story arc. Then the episodes push the season arc forward.

@Lobsterwithinternet

5 ай бұрын

I always felt that a lot of the issue with Mando seasons 2-3, Ahsoka, and even BoBF was that they tried to fit what could have been multiple seasons of television into one season that didn't give enough time to properly set up and tell it. It felt like they only had one season to tell their story or, like in Mando season 3, needed to speedrun the plot to prepare for a future movie.

The whole "Ahsoka is just stoic now" thing just twists nickers raw because i thought so myself for a long time. However when she's - as far as she can tell - face to face with Anakin again, she has the most bafflingly inappropraite reaction possible. This man shaped and guided SO much of her life and worldviews, and became _such_ a trusted figure, and eventually she was hit with the shocking revelation that he now stood not only in opposition to everything she valued, but he was the _leader_ of this opposition and *actively trying to kill her!* I don't give a fuck how many times you've been in dangerous situations before, a betrayal on that level that you can only even live to process because you were plucked by means you don't understand, away from certain death at the hands of your betrayer... That would leave DEEP scars. And not only that, the last time she saw him was when she was pulled away from him to the seeming safety of that strange place, but now suddenly she is pulled back there to the very man who nearly killed her! And we don't even so much as see the confusion, let alone the powerful mix of emotions we would see from this. In fact she just regards him _kindly_ and the characters both not just act, but _behave entirely_ as if that whole betrayal and nearly killing her thing never happened. If Ahsoka can't be bothered to care about _that_ I cannot _possibly_ bring myself to care about anything she says, does, reacts to, or even happens to her. Not that anything of consequence ever _would_ because we've seen people survive impalement by weapons that cut through blast doors meant to hold off artillery. Fuck this show. I was watching the show brain completely off trying to enjoy it because my buddy is such a diehard fan of all the stuff, and it took until episode 6 or so for me to finally realize why I was bored out of my skull, and its because it shows you unequivocally that the writing will shield these characters from _everything._ No physical, emotional, or psychological consequence will ever befall them no matter what. This was further compounded by that mildly pleased reaction Sabine and Ezra had to finally seeing one another. As if it was just a chance meeting of a friend you hadn't seen in a couple years, meanwhile she put the entire galaxy and everything she _ever fought for_ at risk just for the _chance_ to see this man again. I cannot fathom why anyone cares about this show. But if anyone feels like explaining to me, i genuinely would love to hear. Especially if you're the kind of person to finish reading a comment like this.

@JustTheFacts45

5 ай бұрын

To be clear she betrayed him first. He always stood up for her and went out of his way to clear her name. You seem to forget all the times he rescued her from some bad situations. Why should she have a negative reaction to seeing him? She had all the similar criticisms of the Jedi that he did...the only difference he actually did something about. Now of course the methods might have been excessive but the end result was what a lot of people wanted...a reformed Jedi Order. Also Vader was not responsible for Imperial policy, his area of responsibility was the military. He didn't come up with the Tarkin doctrine which was at it's heart a set of political beliefs one man developed on his home planet at 16.

@nicklongbucco3967

5 ай бұрын

Preach!

@yuin3320

5 ай бұрын

@@JustTheFacts45 When did she betray him? All I remember is her leaving the order, which I absolutely cannot consider a betrayal considering the context. If she left the order in the midst of a battle she was supposed to participate in and endangered others or led to their deaths, then yes that kind of desertion is a betrayal. Aside from that I have to say that saving someone at prior points in time means nothing when you suddenly fully intend to be the one to end their life. Actually that's a lie. The prior saving in fact serves to make the betrayal so much more shocking and cut so much deeper. Proving that even someone you could at not just one but SEVERAL points save your life can now suddenly turn against you with full intent to kill and won't even do you the most _basic_ of courtesies of showing you who they are. In the context it went down in, it clearly displayed that their relationship to you meant absolutely nothing _or_ they at least have A LOT of explaining to do. However, Ahsoka just didn't care. No explanation was given nor asked for. They didn't even try to catch up on anything important that it seems like they should have cared about due to their extensive history with one another.

"Sabine Wren Season 1" vs "Andor Season 1" That's the actual title.

@Unfilteredbachelor

6 ай бұрын

Facts 😂😂

When you realise Ahsoka is a live season of the animated Rebels, then it explains all the decisions around story, production, and tone. Through that lens, it is good. Andor, however, is a through a lens we have never experienced in Star Wars films or TV - intelligent, complex, adult writing aimed at adults. It’s real connection to the original trilogy is it’s focus on characters. Something we haven’t really seen since the original trilogy with the exception of, surprise surprise, Rogue One.

Ahsoka takes its time slowly, to ONLY to build up to big moments. Whereas Andor has slow parts, but they serve a much stronger presence. with ahsoka a majority of the characters when we see them is merely on a surface level, like they're just being flatly acted. Baylan, shin and huyang were some of the only performances that felt like the actors got more invested in their portrayal. Another major problem I have is when Ahsoka goes gangbusters on those big events, it all ends up feeling underwhelming, empty and unfinished. It also sucks there's a missing half to the story. Single seasons of a show should strive to be self sufficient, where there’s never a guaranteed continuation. this felt like no matter what, it’d end abruptly with an unsatisfying cliffhanger Andor treats me well every time I watch it, always finding something new to like. Ahsoka doesn't have the same weight

@Unfilteredbachelor

6 ай бұрын

🔥🔥🔥 love this analysis

@scribbly2983

6 ай бұрын

Andor does a slow burn then explodes into action, and pulls that off four times.

@terrified057t4

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, Andor could just not have a second season and generally it would serve as a good prequel/origin story to Cassian in Rogue One. We see how he went from a hustler to a rebel willing to die for the cause. Thank god we at least got a second season confirmed...

Fun video, and yes Andor needs to be celebrated. Andor is an achievement, it’s prestige content, and even The Empire Strikes Back can’t claim that designation. News that season 2 is delayed till 2025 is on the one hand painful, but on the other hand, knowing it’s the final season, I’m loving living with the anticipation. Damn, Andor is that good. I like Ashoka as a character, the show was just empty. There’s room for lighter Errol Flynnesque, stand arms akimbo, laugh/yell “Ha HA!” and jump off something entertainment, but Ashoka is just a fail.

@leafgreensniper13

5 ай бұрын

Tony gilroy said he used the pandemic extra time to rewrite the script for season 1. Not saying that was the reason for success, but let’s be honest it probably helped a lot to refine the show. Take as much time as you need for season 2 Mr gilroy, please.

I CANT STOP LAUGHTING AT THE "CRUSH ON MON MOTHMA THING".

@kubli365

5 ай бұрын

I'm glad someone finally acknowledged it

@Mystic-Midnight

5 ай бұрын

Mon Mothma more like Mom Mothma

I also gotta say I am really impressed that not only were you brave enough to watch all of Ahsoka, you watched it *twice.* I was so bored I stopped after episode six. My husband gave me a recap and I don't regret not finishing it. I also liked Sabine in Rebels, though she was never my favorite. I really hated her in Ahsoka.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Despite my hangup regarding Sabine in the little I saw of Rebels, she did have potential to be a good character in this, but... nah.

Luthen is such a compelling character - Skarsgard was BORN for this role. He really walks the line of being somewhat unbelievable. If you gave those lines to another actor, they could come off as way over the top, but he finds a way to make you believe that he is real, and he really is a ruthless badass.

really sucks to stick with a character like ahsoka through her whole life on screen only for her own dedicated show to be so disappointing

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, this show could've been very different and very... better.

For the MVP of Ahsoka, I'll say it is Huyang. While Shin is runner up, I feel her appeal is mainly in her potential (much like Baylan). Nothing has ruined her character so far, cause we've seen so little of said character. But Disney could easily squander that in season 2. Meanwhile Huyang repeatedly proves to be wise and knowledgable, and boxes another robot (which I did not realize I wanted in Star Wars till that scene).

first, that edit at the end was hilarious. second, i agree with most everything that you said and i especially want to emphasize the point you made about the collaborative effort of filmmaking. there are many many things that made Andor so good, but the root for those reasons is that the showrunner, Tony Gilroy, truly understands this. he understands that he needs good creative professionals from various backgrounds in order to make something worthwhile. if you’ve read or watched any interviews with him, the man can only ever talk about how your film is only as good as they people who work on it with you and that any ego needs to be deflated and packed away. i also think this is part of the issue with the decline of disney and disney+- true giants of creativity in the industry have no desire to go work for the people that Disney have, or just with Disney in general. It’s a talent brain-drain. Diego Luna said in an interview that he believed that they would not have been able to gather the cast and crew for Andor if both for Tony- not just because he has the hook ups, but because Gilroy’s involvement not only incentivized actors who were initially resistant to being in a SW project, but also because they just wanted to work with him and didn’t need truck loads of money to be convinced. So, yeah, sorry to ramble on but it’s a subject i’ve been pretty interested in ever since Andor premiered. The gulf in quality between Andor and the rest of Disney Star Wars is basically an ocean and the mystery behind that contradiction baffles me. Great video! Subscribed.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Wow, thanks a lot for the kind words. Yeah, Tony Gilroy is a class act. Love to hear that he plays well with others

Maybe Ahsoka and Sabine could’ve been more interesting if Sabine did die and Ahsoka found it rather difficult to mentor people around her and look out for them, rather than it being the other way around, or her just looking after herself.

@ianalicando3548

5 ай бұрын

Too bad Sabine is also Filoni's oc that he can't let go of. Her fakeout death says it all and breaks the rules of how lightsabers work

@jarmoliebrand2005

5 ай бұрын

@@ianalicando3548 Lightsaber continuity has been broken for a long time, unfortunately. As a starting writer myself, I do get attached to my own characters and I have predetermined who will die and who won’t. Sometimes I change my mind a bit on the latter demographic. I think you shouldn’t riddle many stories with death, unless that’s among the main appeals of the genre, but not letting go of your creative children at all can ruin the stakes.

@cobraglatiator

5 ай бұрын

at least make it a close call that shakes her. seemingly from the way she recovered there was no point in here getting stabbed at all.

@jarmoliebrand2005

5 ай бұрын

@@cobraglatiator Barely surviving a nearly fatal wound can be a good plot point. Or a character might take a whole season or something to recover properly. (GoT spoiler alert)… Part of what really bugs me about Jon Snow’s resurrection. He should’ve been more shook by the fact that he literally died following betrayal.

@cobraglatiator

5 ай бұрын

@@jarmoliebrand2005 agreed wholly!

i will never get tired of saying this, they should disregard anything that isn't andor and rebuild star wars on andor's image

You might not have hated Ahsoka, but I legitimately did. It was so slow to develop, the writing was awful, the characters were generally stiff, and the actual plot events that DID happen were either contrived or unimportant. One thing I noticed that really got me thinking, though, was the use of long shots. As in, a lot of shots just kinda hung there, and it felt like someone trying to parrot artsy films without understanding why those films are artsy. The idea that a lot of good things are slow, take time to develop, have shots that linger, etc... and then just trying to reverse engineer something "good" by copying those elements without understanding the purposes they serve in their original contexts. The lingering shots and scenes in Ahsoka didn't develop anything, usually didn't even reinforce anything, didn't highlight subtle queues, they were just lingering.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

True. A lot of filmmakers don't understand the point of long shots. I've been meaning to make a video about that very subject, but ya know... I'm lazy. Thanks for watching!

In a Word: maturity. Andor is a more mature show tackling mature and more complex themes. Ahsoka is all flash and no substance and further proof Filoni needs to stick with directing animation. Ripping off samurai movies is not the way to make a compelling story. Andor is everything I have ever wanted out of Star Wars, it’s grounded, tangible, nuanced, intelligent, and respectful. Just the cinematography sets it apart from all other Star Wars media today.

I think for Thrawn, it was more or less that they chose a Purgatory path, he's not the real main villain, but he's present.

@drunkbanthas

5 ай бұрын

I see that fer sure.

Filoni's take to writing dramatic: stuff as many drawn-out action sequences as possible in every episode! (So much suspense!, 🤮) I literally felt no stakes in all the constant over-dramatized action sequences. I lost count how many he crammed in the finale, and the zombie troopers were the most ridiculous thing ever! On a positive note, I agree Ivanna's Shin was the most compelling and sold on performance and character by far! ...and Andor is Shawshank level re-watchable master work!

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Agreed on all points! Shin is the only character I'm excited to see again and that shouldn't be the case. Thanks for watching!

Andor reminded me of all the reasons I fell in love with star wars. No Skywalker bs. It was so cool to see all these different planets and places. Star wars has an ENTIRE GALAXY to play with and for the first time we have some new planets and species. I will say I'm glad there's no Skywalker or them but I do still enjoy someone that has force powers or a light saber. Not as a main character, at least in this time period. I really really really wish they would just STOP making content in the Skywalker saga years... it would be soooo cook to see something like a thousand years before Anakin or the very beginning of the sith and the jedi. There is literally millenia, an entire galaxy and trillions of possibilities for planets and species and mysteries. I dream of a stand alone movie depicting the Sith beginnings. That has the ability to be interesting, exciting and legit scary. But of course Disney bought it so now we will never get anything other than child friendly happy stories where no one ever dies. Thats why Andor is so great cause despite it being in the same Era as everything we've already seen, we know how he dies but he is so removed from the galaxy we've seen time and time again that it doesn't matter because there are so many possibilities for what his story can be. While thankfully avoiding anything Skywalker and jedi. Lol P.s. Qui Gon probably went on a youngling massacre after he saw Sabine survive that stab. 😂😂

One of my favorite Ahsoka moments is in season 1 episode 2. Plo Koon and his group of clones are stranded in the middle of the galaxy. The jedi give up on him and assume he is dead, but Ahsoka does not and openly objects. Anakin decides to take her to find him and even then at some point he decides to call it quits because of the Jedi urging him to do so...but Ahsoka senses Plo Koon and they find him. Ahsoka defied order and duty to save a friend, and someone she cared about. I say all this to say that the character assassination of Ahsoka is very personal to me. Ahsoka became one of my favorite star wars characters since her debut in 2008, when EVERYONE hated her. Watching her journey and growth in these animated projects has been a joy and I was super excited to see where'd she go in this series despite her characterization in the mandalorian being a massive red flag. Nothing could've prepared me for this show. Nothing could've prepared me for the major conflict of this show being the fact that Ahsoka was willing to let Ezra die alone in a another galaxy just so Thrawn wouldnt return (and then to have her barely react when Thrawn DOES return) Nothing could've prepared me for a cheap Anakin cameo episode with an even cheaper message to resolve why Ahsoka is so cold and out of character. This show was cheap, and Ahsoka deserved better as a character.

@drunkbanthas

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. With all the groundwork they did in Clone Wars to make her a pretty interesting character, all the potential went down the drain in this show.

They did a big build up for thrawn in Ashoka and the new republic scenes I felt were important as we see how corrupt it is but also how mon mothma is terrified upon his return. And if you’ve seen any of the marvel stuff recently you can see how bad things can be when Disney rushes

its the little things that add up, for example. Mons daughter in wishing to annoy her mother by embracing the old ways was the catalyst that allowed Mon to hide her shady activities.

ANDOR IS MASTERPIECE, AHSOKA IS CRAP, SIMPLE AS THAT.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Skroll Tide!!!! 😂😂😂

@arneczool6614

6 ай бұрын

Well, Andor is a masterpiece, Ahsoka is a wasted oportunity that ended up as random mediocricy, and BookOfBobba and Kenoby are crap ^^ (And also just a wasted oportunity)

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

@arneczool6614 Definitely a lot of wasted opportunities. So much talent yet so much "meh."

@kolaranze

6 ай бұрын

Mando?

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

I still really like Mando. Ahsoka, Kenobi and Fett were dissapointing.

I always heard that 3D clone wars style was an homage to 60s puppet/marionette shows like Thunderbirds and not an attempt to mimic Tartakovsky

Shin Hottie is the best. saved Ashoka for me.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Ditto. Saw a LOT of people with Shin Hati cosplay at LA Comic Con. Definitely made an impression

If the show was just about Shin and Baylan then it could have been something.

@valley_robot

5 ай бұрын

I agree, they were the only good thing about the show

@thephantompenance

3 ай бұрын

@@valley_robot Kinda really sucks that we’ll never get that now.

Just a small pointer. Outside of the Ahsoka show, Sabine was a character that had a less than average execution of her arc. For those not daunted by the cliche, Sabine is a typical runaway, its why her friendship with the ghost crew and Ezra in particular that helped her complete the arc is so important to her. If wrote correctly it would show her emotional state changing as the chances of reuniting the family, as it were, get higher. Also the while force connection is bullshit, everything else does have genuine connections to her story and character.

How does this video not have dozens of times more likes? Totally nailed the struggle of the Star Wars universe now. Andor was transcendent and I'm genuinely excited for a second (and I believe final) season of it, but I couldn't even get excited for Ahsoka after the absolute disaster that was Kenobi.

@drunkbanthas

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching 👀

The worst thing that the Ahsoka show did was spay Mon Mothma.

Tbh ahsoka was well received by the fandom, much more than BOBF and Kenobi Ahsoka is good, Andor is incredible

@drunkbanthas

Ай бұрын

Agreed! Well said. Thanks for watching! 😃

I have long stopped watching Star Wars stuff, but a guy said "dude, give Andor a chance!" I did, and it blew me away. To the point where I gave other stuff a chance too, but stopped that mistake quickly. Andor is special. Other stuff is not.

I'm not particularly excited about Dave Filoni taking over, he just seems to want to make everything an extension of the Clone Wars, which most people haven't watched and I personally didn't get into. Every show he's been involved in has just been 'look it's Cad Bane', 'look it's Ezra Whathisname', 'look it's Ahsoka' instead of making something good and original. A lot like Marvel, Star Wars seem to be going down the trend of shoehorning in fan service as a crutch for uninteresting story, and just like Marvel there are a very vocal group who eat this shit up and encourage the situation to get worse.

There is no reason whatsoever for any show Star Wars or otherwise to not have the quality of writing as Andor

Thrawn, Tactical Master Mind. Ignores parking his Star Destroyer away from the tower so his opponents can't literally walk up to it.

Would be nice to see a story breakdown of The Old Republic Cinematics, not sure if such a thing is really possible since each scene is pretty disconnected from the other scenes, but would be interesting to hear your takes on them.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Funny story: We were supposed to do a podcast with another KZreadr to talk about KOTOR, but it never worked out. Maybe a video essay is the way to go? 🤔

So weird that the one show fans have been asking for was meh, and the one no one wanted ended up being one of the best star wars shows made

Excellent video! My first time seeing your channel, but instant sub. Can't wait to wade into the back catalogue.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Aww shucks! I told myself i wouldnt cry. 😭Thanks a lot for watching. Genuinely appreciated 🙏🏿😁

I love the way you present your video, it's hilarious!

@drunkbanthas

2 ай бұрын

🙋🏾‍♂️ Thank you! Really appreciate it! 😊

I enjoyed ahsoka. But one thing i will say is that i missed a week of the show here and there and had to catch up. Andor i was counting the days between episodes.

Excellent and entertaining analysis! Subscribed!

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! 😁

Andor did mention Emperor Palpatine and showed clone and stormtroopers, but that’s just about it for nostalgic callbacks. Ahsoka on the other hand, is riddled with them - Hayden’s appearance as Anakin takes the prize. I’ll give Lucasfilm a tip, stop giving Dave Filoni big projects.

Dear Disney, if you brought in Tony Gilroy to fix Rogue One (and he added Vader in the end) and he also made this amazing show then maybe why not give him a TRILOGY???!!! Doh! Disney: nah, we’ll give Falloni a movie instead. Star Wars fans: uggghh!!!

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

In an Alex Jones Voice: “We’ve got the documents to prove!…” 📑 📃 😂

@Unfilteredbachelor

6 ай бұрын

@@drunkbanthas 😂😂😂 they exist and we got em

I'm 51. I saw A new hope in a Drive in with my parents. I lived the Star Wars consuming life. It always amused me when people say "Andor doesn't look like Star Wars." Because to people who lived the original trilogy in real time Andor looks EXACTLY like Star Wars. The glossy green naboo prequels and the Cantoby...whatever it's called...new trilogy didn't feel like Star Wars. It was all too glossy, too shiny. Too, pastel mopeds in Fat Book of Boba Fettt. A new hope and Empire were gritty, dirty, industrial, stark, an utilitaian. The color palate was black, white, brown and grey. We didnt't get any green the back half of Jedi on endor. Even Dagobah was mostly brown. Andor is gritty, dirty, industrial, stark, utilitarian. The andor palette is mostly, black, white, brown, grey. Yes there is green too but no pastels. the closest is i the city and house of Mon. but even that is stark and white mostly. Rogue One felt like original Star Wars. Andor actually felt like original Star Wars. I think to younger viewers they lived through bad, glossy, disney star wars. That's what they think it is. So Andor doesn't look like their association. But their association is flawed cause it's not the original. It's not what made Star Wars a household name for more than a decade. If you lived more than a decade fixated on the original trilogy, having it in the new, having it's toys in stores, have it be what made star wars, Andor and Rogue One feel like a trip back to real Star Wars as opposed to younger viewers that think it doesn't feel like Star Wars.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. Cinematography of Andor is comparable to ESB. I will say that Andor and Rogue One feel a bit more mature than the original trilogy -- which I dig.

@JdeMolay

5 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more, good sir. Same thing applies for the writing - people say "Andor just doesn't feel like Star Wars" because it doesn't revolve around cameos and is "too slow" with "too much talking" (god forbid there not be a pew pew every two seconds... god forbid you have to look up from your phone to pay attention to the screen) News flash: Watch a movie from the 70s-80s. It's slower. Lotta "talky talky". That's what makes the action scenes so good. That's why you care. That's Star Wars. Andor feels more like Star Wars than any other show because, above all, original Star Wars was just good filmmaking and character-building. That's it. Doesn't have to be tied down by everything that came before it, or have to set up everything after it. The best form of "Star Wars" that a Star Wars show can be is just to be a good show.. I don't care if it represents "the fandom" (who gives a shit?). Speaking *AS A MASSIVE FAN* the fandom has become an insular cult of mediocre, marketing-driven storytelling. Andor is the best thing to happen to Star Wars since Empire. Remembering that we're here to have a good story told to us, and that's all that bloody matters.

Correction: ask 3 different Star Wars fans about *any* of the franchise properties, and you'll get *_4_* different answers... at least.

Thank you for this vid. (Big, BIG Gennedy fan.) I'm definitely checking out Andor now.

“No one cared what Mon Mothma was doing before sh*t kicked off”. I did! I wanted to know more about Mon Mothma after her appearance in ROTJ because she seemed interesting even in that one brief scene she had in the movie. BTW, do we ever find out about those poor Bothans who died getting intel for the rebellion? Why didn’t they make a “Star Wars: Bothans” movie?

@dustronyt4565

5 ай бұрын

from what ik about bothans and their spy work, such movie should have cyberpunk-ish tone and I'm all for it

So glad it was pointed out tje the treatment of the Sabine character. It littaraly stalled the series from the very first episode. It felt like the writers wanted it all to littaraly be about Sabine but realized that was the least interesting backstory of the Rebels, so they titled it Ahsoka to draw in the fans then did a bait a switch. Sad.

Ahoska vs Andor is making me think that Dave Feloni is not good at writing a story

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

I do think he's good at coming up with concepts and ideas, but maybe -- like our boy Georgie Lucas -- he could benefit from another writer on deck to smooth out the edges.

@johnthorneycroft1067

6 ай бұрын

He's written plenty of good stories, he's just got so far into trying to reference all the lore and trying to stitch it all together that his core writing skills have got weaker. A problem that the MCU also struggles with more an more. Part of the reason Andor was better is that it simply didn't care so much about Easter eggs and callbacks and whatnot. Like the vid says, Andor, Mon Mothma and Saw Guerrera were in because they were needed to tell a story about rebellion, but for the rest it's new characters. (also Hera's Ahsoka arc was a case in point - it's bad writing to have an entire arc in a show which you could easily delete without touching the other arcs, but Filoni has invested a tonne of time in Hera, so he couldn't face just dropping her). Also since Gilroy doesn't like Star Wars he finds it easy to exclude Jedis and the Force, which Filoni (as a superfan) loves. If you don't have any Force stuff in you don't have stupid scenes where you try and shoehorn yet more lore into how the Force works. And if the last 10 years have shown anything about Star Wars it's that whenever you doing new things with the Force (OK, or hyperspace) you end up with crap scenes where the stakes are messed up and nobody can follow the rules anymore

@SeanBart

4 ай бұрын

@@johnthorneycroft1067I keep seeing people say that Gilroy has said he doesn’t like SW, but the only quote I’m aware of is where he said he’s “not a FAN fan” - did he say elsewhere that he legitimately dislikes SW?

I think your observations on both shows and the franchise in general are spot on. Disney clearly doesn't have a clue what to do with Star Wars. There are too many "fans" in command positions to produce anything fresh or interesting, it seems. Ahsoka had so much potential but just died a slow death by 1000 inexplicably poor creative choices. And Andor is, for me as well, the only worthwhile Star Wars show on Disney Plus.

Andor was not Star Wars. It was something else. It’s was exciting and adult oriented. I hope they can keep up with it like they did with season 1.

@drunkbanthas

5 ай бұрын

Star Wars is anything you want it to be! But of Andor isn't what you want from Star Wars, I get it

Just tangenting into Willow for a sec, Gradon Hastur was actually my favorite character. He started out as a typical weedy nebbish, but revealed a lot of depth and heart as the series went on. The only reason I was at all upset there would be no season two was because I would never find out what happened to him.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Fair enough. I just thought his arc to becoming a sorcerer cheapened Alora's journey. If the show just followed Alora, Willow, Ruby Cruz and Erin Kellyman (I forget their character names) I would've been satisfied. A few too many characters and storylines for my liking. Thanks fee watching, btw

@taste_is_sweet

5 ай бұрын

​@@drunkbanthas Hard agree on too many characters! God only knows what they thought they were doing with that. I get what you're saying about Hastur's magic cheapening Alora's journey, but I have to admit I never felt that. I just thought it was really neat that this sweet weirdo actually had so much potential. I also loved the idea that Elora was a natural but too anxious to allow herself her real power, whereas Hastur was working his ass off to get to the same place. I thought they were really compatible that way. And hey, you're welcome! Good channel.

i find ashoka hard to watch still havent finished it , its feels like the writing . BUT Andor is a masterpice

It is quite rare and refreshing to find someone with negative criticism of star wars and the like without it devolving into some current trend ideological projectionism, just honest opinions and carefully thought out critique. Also like that even though you set up a comparison between 2 shows (which are rather different in execution) you didn't end up pointing the finger at separate scenes and goinngg ; "This good, This bad!" Keep it up.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Much appreciated! Thanks for watching 👀

Great, entertaining and thoughtful review !

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Thank you Scuba Steve! That really means a lot! 🥹

Great video - couldn't get through Ahsoka but hadn't analysed why. Agree that Andor is the GOAT TV series. Now going to search your channel for other Star Wars goodness

@drunkbanthas

5 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! Check out the Star Wars playlist on the homepage

3:24 That cereal does exist! It was limited edition Trix

Great video! I agree with you for the most part but I found the series The Clone Wars more visually appealing than the pilot. Yeah the characters were kinda weird looking sometimes but it has a unique aesthetic, I don't find it ugly and I loved the series. Also the political element was explored a lot in that show considering it was mainly made for kids haha

Not him dissing clone wars

andor was great. would love to see more

What a fun video! Loved Andor, didn't care much for Ahsoka. They needed to bring everyone up to speed with the show, not just continue from Rebels. Sabine dying would have been that moment in Andor where he shoots the dude in the face. Then we wouldn't have to put up with any other stupid stuff Sabine does.

@flashfire9825

6 ай бұрын

killing sabine wren would've been such a huge F you I loved rebels but ahsoka was underwhelming after that it needed a lot better writing and pacing

Stellen, Serkis, Mon mothma lady. What more can I say The scene that made andor for me, was when the empire laid out their plan on aldani, and how they systematically crush a culture. Not through violence but just homogenization. Cutting them off from their customs

@drunkbanthas

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, that was some cold blooded sh*t and oddly more disturbing than blowing up a village or something

22:52 that's actually kinda wrong. Leigh Brackett received credits for ESB only due to George's decision to honor her after she died. In fact, pretty much none of what she wrote made it into the movie, as it was all rewritten by George.

@drunkbanthas

5 ай бұрын

Hmm, I heard different but whatevs. 🤷🏿‍♂️

@tFighterPilot

5 ай бұрын

@@drunkbanthas Her original script is available online. It's an interesting read. There are some things taken from it. It does start on a snow planet, though Hoth is the name of another planet they go to.

@drunkbanthas

5 ай бұрын

@tFighterPilot I'll have to check it out. Thanks!

There are a few Disney Star Wars Shows that I've seen more than once and plan to watch again (Mandalorian, Visions) - Andor is included in this circle. Ahsoka isn't. That may change, but as it is now ... with the circle shows the characters intrigued me, in Ahsoka most of them bored or annoyed me.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. Visions and Andor should be way popular considering it's some of the best stuff that Star Wars has produced in a while.

How Someone I know say" one writter play safe and the other take risk and study the material of all eras (Andor feels like Dark Times redux )"

Andor is what we want tbh. Andor, like og clone wars, uplifts the universe and recontextualizes the films to enhance the og films even more.

Andor is the best star wars ever made since the first trilogy

Hold up, Dave Filoni has been given total control on two shows and they are just terrible. Filoni needs to stop giving us crap and actually give us good shows

I didn't like Ashokha, but I did like Thrawn - in that he seemed to have good plans, and good contingencies, and then back-up plans for those plans, but all of those failed in the face of perfect plot armor for the heroes. There were some scenes where you could almost feel Thrawn staring through the fourth wall and sighing.

@profoundresolve

5 ай бұрын

Yep. He looked and sounded the part, so I'm sad he ended up ahsoka instead of another show... A little more serious... Oh well. I'll just pretend the books are canon.

Andor is a piece of art and anyone who says otherwise is willfully shooting themselves in the foot. SW isn't a genre, it’s a universe and many different genres, themes, characters, and stories have yet to be discovered in that universe. If someone wants the 'feel' of the old movies there is good news, the old movies still exist, so literally go watch them again. As horrendous as some of the Last Jedi was I have grown to appreciate that Rian was also trying to make something new, his execution in some of that 'newness' was very questionable but the stuff that worked really worked. This misguided unconscious consensus of SW fans that we need to ‘recapture’ those feelings from the first films has led to an over saturation of bad SW trying to live up to something it shouldn’t even need to. Every SW project doesn’t need the same themes, characters, and feeling as the OG trilogy, that'd get repetitive and very boring. Most new projects have virtually become parodies of the source material where nothing is left but references cameos, and generic mic-drop lines that fit in any situation. I love Andor not just because it is full of heart, nuance, and complex storytelling in a thematically dark setting but also because of what it represents: innovation of SW and a new hope that future SW projects don't have to be self referential, sloppily written, poorly executed, mass produced projects rather than pieces of art that stand on their own merit. Disneys and the fans problem has been thinking that SW is a genre and everything must fit into very confined rules. If someone thinks Andor is too boring they need to consider spending less time feeding their dopamine receptors with stuff like Tik Tok and take the time to pay attention to what’s happening between action sequences. They’ll realize that that there is a lot of nuance and character work happening, it is a masterclass of writing and direction. If someone thinks Andor doesn't feel like SW they need to reframe how they understand the IP, it is not a genre of itself. The themes, characters, settings, sounds, textures, virtually everything is straight out of the Lucas doctrine and what story he was trying to tell. If someone thinks it stands shoulder to shoulder on equal footing as Obi Wan, Ahsoka, or Boba Fett they need to try and summarize one of those shows and try to summarize Andor, the difficulty to do so for Andor succinctly is indicative of the complex level of detail and care. Andor is lightyears ahead of those shows in virtually every cinema or storytelling criteria. Anyone who loves this show should be promoting it and recommending it to everyone they know. Systems either change or die and there is only one way out of this SW slump of bad media.

@drunkbanthas

3 ай бұрын

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

The Ahsoka show's biggest flaw, apart from the writing and the pacing and the lifeless dialogues and the Admiral Thran character assassination... alright, one of many many flaws... was IT WAS BORING. The only interesting character was the droid! Turns out filling a story entirely with characters who rarely talk or emote can't carry a story. The character types in Ahsoka (counting only those characters who actually do anything that affects the plot) fall broadly into three categories: 1. The stoic, self-controlled, nearly emotionless, "wise" character who already finished their personal growth offscreen and thus has no arc. [Ahsoka, Hera Syndulla, Ezra Bridger, Fallen Sith Master Baylan Skoll, Force witch Morgan Elsbeth, Grand Admiral Thrawn] 2. The emotionally repressed, arrogant, introverted, bitchy character who never listens to advice, refuses character growth, and whose only emotion is an arrogant smirk. [Sabine, Sith apprentice Shin Hati] 3. The character who is there to look cool, but is given no backstory or personality and is mainly there to get killed off. You expect them to become important but nope. [Aktropaw and the other two Force witches, Marrok the faceless mute masked Sith, Stormtrooper Captain Enoch] - Seriously what was the deal with Marrok and his helmet? Why the double-bladed rotating lightsaber when it never made any difference? Why was Marrok even there for 4 episodes only to be killed off unceremoniously? The droid Huyang would be expected to be the comic relief but is actually the only competent person and ironically the only one who shows emotion (most exasperation). And there's the kid Jaycen, who is... okay, but is a pretty cliché "cute and innocent wise kid" stereotype. I'm still not sure why that character was even there. Mon Mothma and Carson Teva and the vision of Anakin Skywalker were just there to be cameos. And Ahsoka and Sabine were turned into Mary-Sues, while Ezra was basically a plot device. ("We have to find Ezra!") Goddamn space whales. Also, we the audience already knew the whole point of the Ahsoka series was to find Eza and get Thrawn back into the action. But the series took entirely too long to get the characters to Ezra and Thrawn, and then waited until the final damn episode to get Thran in the way "home" while he stood around and monologued. Everyone else milled around aimlessly. Pointless combat scenes, pointless cutesy natives. And then the script writers had the gall to end it on a cliffhanger, as if they would ever get a 2nd season.

all you kids keep saying andor doesn't look or feel like star wars and my 43 year old ass is over here like. Andor is most like star wars since empire strikes back and theatrical release return of the jedi! Rogue one was close except donny yen photo bombing the whole movie. All these young folk grew up with star wars not being star wars. starting with the special editions. Jedi especially has a completely different tone compared to the theatrical. then the prequels, the remalke/sequels. most of the tv shows.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, when people say Andor doesn't feel like Star Wars and that it's "boring," I feel like Inigo Montoya. "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

@Unfilteredbachelor

6 ай бұрын

@@drunkbanthasfacts 😂😂 I’m reading the comments and people are like “I like the flashy” “I like the light sabers” what are they doing the other 60% of the time when their ain’t flash and light sabers they just sleeping thru the rest of it? Andor does such a good job in exploring the rest of the time and diving into the good bad and ugly side of being a rebel

1:53 Damn Alex said who gives af fuck what Ja Rule thinks

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

😂😂

@alexanderlafosta6035

6 ай бұрын

"Ja Rule! Please make sense of this!!"

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

@alexanderlafosta6035 😂😂😂😂

2:36 looks a bit like caspar david friedrichs "der wanderer über dem nebelmeer"

@drunkbanthas

5 ай бұрын

Exactly!

Mr D. Banthas, I lov your analysis of "Andor" and found it very instructive but some of the shots flicker on screen and off again so fast that even a Jedi's reflexes cannot keep up with [like at 4:53 there's a split second text box about 'The Internet Reacts to The Weeknd Mispronouncing 'Carte Blanche' on The Idol']. it took me 3 attempts to pause on this graphic before I could actually read the text. For us oldies who watched Star Wars as 8 year olds, who are now mid 50 ish, we need a bit more time to be able to read such stuff - otherwise we feel like we are missing the points you are making. btw what was the point you were making? Never mind. anyway thanks again and glad you liked Andor as much as we do.

@drunkbanthas

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching 👀. A little inside baseball: The KZread algorithm likes it when there are moments in your video that people rewatch. In this video there were a few spots where I wanted to create some moments where people stop and say "Wait. What was that?!" "Carte Blanche" was an inside joke for anyone who has had the misfortune of seeing The Idol (2022). My other videos aren't quite as jumpy. There are also some quick clips of Mary Elizabeth Winstead's butt from Ahsoka every once in a while when I say "But..." just cause -- ya know. Butt jokes are funny. lol Thanks again for watching.

Ahsoka was absolutely a cash grab.. a very lazy cash grab

such a fresh take, thxuuu🫶🏻

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

😁

Is it ok to like star wars Ahsoka and mandalorian?

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely! My Brother Bill does. He talks all about it on our podcast every Monday night. 😂

@commanderfreakkz5688

6 ай бұрын

@@drunkbanthas yea I like some of the scene of the episode in mandalorian and Ahsoka

@cj-3810

5 ай бұрын

@@commanderfreakkz5688It’s ok to like things! Remember after all the reviews? You, are the one who feels.

I’d say you can’t have not fully watched rebels and be making these statements about characters but this show definitely should have been just as interesting *without* watching rebels and I think that’s the problem

@drunkbanthas

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I mentioned I haven't seen a lot of Rebels. I've heard it gets better in later seasons, I just didn't have the patience

We need more gendy

And so the random dockworker yelled "for the Empire!" signaling to us that he is evil, and tried to shoot the jedi with his $10 blaster.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

🤣

You know where they SHOWED that Thrawn was a tactical genius instead of constantly TELLING us?? IN THE FREAKING BOOK TRILOGY THEY DECANONIZED BC THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD DO BETTER god it pisses me off so much.

1 primary character = 1 major toy to sell. Ensamble cast of 5 = (theoretically) 5 major toys to sell.

Andor had lots of boring stuff, specially in the first few episodes... But man the Empire is amazing there, the character Andor himself is boring but the Empire is portrayd most amazing.

Andor is the best things I saw last year and probably the best thing Star Wars has ever done. It has kinda ruined everything else nothing is that good and these shows are just not as interesting

Andor was awesome, Ashoka was crap with the exception of the few moments with Baylon.

FWIW Rebels gets much better, and darker after season 1 and Season 4 was especially good, and better than any season of any Star Wars show not called Andor. Not that that is a super high bar. The characters are actually developed, especially Ezra. Watching Ahsoka right after Rebels made the pacing painfully recognizable, and really should have been more like 25 min episodes.

Oh, wau, you watched it a 2nd time? That's dedication.

@drunkbanthas

6 ай бұрын

We do it… so you don’t have to! 😂

I'm honestly really glad about the point he made about thrawn. According to the lore he's supposed to be some sort of super tactician, but I honestly can't think of anything remarkable he did in this show or Rebels. The whole studying of a people's art to " learn how they think" ( whole groups of people and their art are monolithic apparently, cuz star wars logic) goes to show just how pretentious, and half baked the character really is. He got his ass kicked by a ragtag group of rebels, then 9 years later failed to do anything impressive once more. Same can be said about the filoniverse as a whole.